god

[limegreenppl]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands

[XxHaViiK]

I know there's freedom of speech and everything, but this is kindling a flame war. I'm not saying I disagree, but there are others that will fight to the death on this subject.

[Kapitan Kokenbalz]

Hitler was the closest thing to a god this world has seen or ever will see.

See what I did there?

[Death]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands

I suppose that's why many believers have suffered and died in the past.

[munchausen]

What kind of God gives you free will and tells you what to do with it?

just saying

[Triceratops]

:arrow: Moving to TWPR, for now.
If this turns into some kind of debate, the thread will be moved again.

[2D]

Oh god...shaddup! No one cares to hear you preach. I do believe in God but I don't talk about it. I couldn't care less whether anyone on here was with me.

[soccer8]

to me he doesnt exist this whole bible thing has no ground to it and science just keeps proving the bible wrong in so many ways one after another its just a bunch of made up stuff to keep the people happy and make them feel safe when war and destruction is happening right outside their window

[Underground_Network]

God is three letters.

Lol is three letters.

Both are abbreviations.

One means "laugh out loud."

The other means "giggle obnoxiously, damnit."

[Marcie]

What kind of God gives you free will and tells you what to do with it?

just saying

He doesn't tell you what to do with it, he makes suggestions as to what's best for you.

Just saying

[Sugaree]

Oh god...shaddup! No one cares to hear you preach. I do believe in God but I don't talk about it. I couldn't care less whether anyone on here was with me.

QFT

I smell gasoline and sense a flame war coming up. I agree with what Jeff has said. No one wants to hear a preacher. I also believe in God, but do I talk about anything relating to God? No, I don't. I find it useless to talk about God all the time, because there are other things to worry about.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

So right now i am an athiest i used to believe but many things piled together to change my mind. I just dont like preachers whether you believe or not only affects you, you do not need to tell everyone about how it affects you because if it doesnt affect them in the same way your preaching isnt going to make a difference.

God is a word with the power to start wars but that does not mean that he is real but neither does that mean he is not. Preachers wnt make my mind up on this subject and it shouldnt be different for others.

[Bluearmy]

God helps the helpless; which makes sense. Because once you hit rock bottom, the only possible thing you can do is succeed.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

God helps the helpless; which makes sense. Because once you hit rock bottom, the only possible thing you can do is succeed.

But what if for arguments sake their was no god how would you get back up if you suddenly decided you didnt believe. Nothing would be different youd still get up

[Kahn]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands

Ah... So he will cure all the disease? He will end all wars? He will bring the economy of the world back to it's previous state? He will give us all food? He will end poverty? He will end terrorism or violence all together? He will give all of the orphans parents? There are definitely more questions.

These are all questions that must be answered. To assume that he will make everything better is just ignorant, and retarded. The sooner we learn to understand that we need to take things into our own hands to make things better the faster it will happen. Sure, it will take time but we need to realize that nothing, and that means nothing, can be handled perfectly in a quick manner.

You've got to realize that he may be up there, but he won't do everything for us on his own.

[XxHaViiK]

This is just turning into a massive flame war... Somebody lock ittt...

[Resinflux]

Ah... So he will cure all the disease? He will end all wars? He will bring the economy of the world back to it's previous state? He will give us all food? He will end poverty? He will end terrorism or violence all together? He will give all of the orphans parents?

These are all questions that must be answered. To assume that he will make everything better is just ignorant, and retarded. The sooner we learn to understand that we need to take things into our own hands to make things better. Sure, it will take time but we need to realize that nothing, and that means nothing, can be handled perfectly in a quick manner.

You've got to realize that he may be up there, but he won't do everything for us on his own.

love you adam :3

[Bluearmy]

If God interfered as much as most Christians want him to, there would be no such thing as free will.

[Zero Beat]

:arrow: Moving to TWPR, for now.
If this turns into some kind of debate, the thread will be moved again.

I think its time to move it back :P

I dont wish to leave my life in the hands of someone I don't believe in.

[Nihilus]

I just have something to say. If we put everything in god's hands nothing would get done.

[Sage]

Ten hands hard at work can achieve more than a million clasped in prayer.

[munchausen]

He doesn't tell you what to do with it, he makes suggestions as to what's best for you.

Just saying

and threatens you with fiery torture in the afterlife?

[Kahn]

If anyone read my post before we wouldn't be arguing about this nonsense.

The sooner we realize that we must do things on our own, the faster they will get down.

Ten hands hard at work can achieve more than a million clasped in prayer.

This is pretty much a shorter version of what I said. We need to take things into our own hands, not try to put them on something that might not even be there.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

am i the only one who smells a troll?

[Doctor Fate]

I used to believe that, until "God" gave me lymphoma and made my life miserable.

I don't believe in God.

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[BuryYourFlame]

Thread moved to ROTW.

[Marcie]

and threatens you with fiery torture in the afterlife?

I don't think it's necessarily a threat. I think it's more of saying what's going to happen if you choose not to trust him/believe in him.

[Severus Snape]

That worked so well for the Christian family who let their daughter die of pneumonia instead of taking her to the hospital because they wanted to have faith that god would heal her.

[Marcie]

That worked so well for the Christian family who let their daughter die of pneumonia instead of taking her to the hospital because they wanted to have faith that god would heal her.

Some people are more extreme than others... A lot of the time I disagree with the views of "extremists." Also, sometimes God says "no" to healing or to other prayers.

[CuriousDestruction]

this is such a loaded post.

[deadpie]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands

How do you know God is male? Unless your talking about the christian God i guess because otherwise you would say "higher power" or allah, some shit like that.

But don't forget this, their is many types of higher power's people worship. Not just one named "god". So the ignorance of just saying God will make better is totally fucking dumb. You could of said, a higher power, or any higher power, instead of God.

And then their is the fact that God's hands would be too bloody to take, for all the murder he committed himself.

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

[munchausen]

I don't think it's necessarily a threat. I think it's more of saying what's going to happen if you choose not to trust him/believe in him.

I thought that was what a threat was? :what:

[Marcie]

I thought that was what a threat was? :what:

Not quite.. A threat is, as Dictionary.com states, "An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment." I guess you could classify that as a threat. I think God means if more as a helpful warning so that we do not have to go to Hell. I see a threat as someone stating a want to inflict punishment upon someone. God doesn't want to inflict the punishment of Hell on us, in fact he wants the opposite. He calls him self Love, he doesn't want us to be in eternal suffering. He want us to be with him in Heaven but he wants us to trust in him first.

[ltimm]

God died a long time ago...But, wait! He NEVER EXISTED!!

[Bluearmy]

But what if for arguments sake their was no god how would you get back up if you suddenly decided you didnt believe. Nothing would be different youd still get up

Point taken. Lets take an example.

There are two men, one is an atheist, the other is a Christian. They have both hit "rock bottom". Surely, both of them will get up, dust themselves off; and start making productivity and progress.

The Christian will say "Surely God has helped me in my time of need."
The Atheist will say "I did it myself."

Both experienced the same thing, but perhaps one fails to recognize...

[DrkZ90]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands

Sorry, but that's a f**ing lie, and a misinterpretation of what, not only the bible, but pretty much all religions say...

You are not supposed to leave everything up to a superior being's hands, that's bs, nothing will solve by itself... what the religions mean with that is that, if you believe God can help you, you'll be able to sort everything out... God will send you the "tools" to solve your problems, but won't solve them himself... ultimately, it's up to you whether to accept his help or not.

I'm not saying I believe or not in this, just that that's what "leaving things in God's hands" mean.

[Salvi]

You can't leave everything in the hands of god because god won't help you unless you help yourself first.

[Bluearmy]

You can't leave everything in the hands of god because god won't help you unless you help yourself first.

That teaching actually is not in the Holy Bible.

[Marcie]

You can't leave everything in the hands of god because god won't help you unless you help yourself first.

How do you come upon the conclusion?

[Apparitions]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands
It's a shame that he/she/it doesn't exist then, isn't it?

[Severus Snape]

Some people are more extreme than others... A lot of the time I disagree with the views of "extremists." Also, sometimes God says "no" to healing or to other prayers.
I wonder why god says no if he loves us so much?

It's a shame that he/she/it doesn't exist then, isn't it?
My thoughts exactly

[beedubs]

if i left everything in gods hands, id be straight.

[Cats In Space]

god isn't real and will not make everything better if you just leave things in his hands

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[Apparitions]

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:D I'll rep you for that.

[Marcie]

I wonder why god says no if he loves us so much?


Because he wants us to learn, and you learn better from mistakes and/or hard times, opposed to successes and/or easy times. If God said "yes" to everything than there wound't be anything to challenge us in life.

[2D]

I love how this is turning into a "lol God isnt reel bcuz i cn make a silly joke lool!!!1!!!111" thread.

[Cats In Space]

I love how this is turning into a "lol God isnt reel bcuz i cn make a silly joke lool!!!1!!!111" thread.

Don't all God praising things on the internet turn into lulz?

[Watchfulness]

People create their own Gods from their curiousity and lack of comprehension.
God's significance comes to play should people find despair and suffering. However I don't believe that will solve anything, only shrouding their minds with delusion.

[Hatsune Miku]

Im an atheist

[CourageWolf]

Im an atheist
You know whatsup.

[BeautifulDisaster]

I don't know what I believe anymore, all I know is people should not be forced to believe in something they don't, vice versa.

[2D]

People create their own Gods from their curiousity and lack of comprehension.
God's significance comes to play should people find despair and suffering. However I don't believe that will solve anything, only shrouding their minds with delusion.

So all religious people can't comprehend and are delusional? That's a very lacking argument.

Im an atheist

You know whatsup.

Congrats guys. You're so much better than the rest of us and you know "whatsup"

[CourageWolf]

lol.

Religion is used to keep people in line. Churches used to be the government, essentially anyway. Religions are also conservative, when was the last time the bible changed? It hasn't. Maybe it's just a personal opinion but it religion even comes across as believe this or go to hell. Which seems like a scar tactic into going along with what the bible preaches if you ask me.

Yes I know whatsup and I appreciate you're congratulation wishes.

[2D]

Churches control people, religion does not. I'm religious but I never go to church. In my mind it's a waste of time.

BTW I love how atheists (maybe 90%) think they're better than religious peope in every way conceivable. We're all people. Just with different morals and beliefs.

[AgusCO]

god will make every thing better if you just leave things in his hands
Oh,really?.That's just nonsense and not something good, should I just stand and do nothing and all of the sudden my career, my relationships,etc will improve? Not the way I see life and probably not a posivite view for anyone.

Churches control people, religion does not
Churches control people using religion, it's the same thing. And religion can control people for example if the Bible says I'm a sinner and my soul will be tortured forevermore in hell for IDK killing then I probably wont kill.Unless of course you are proposing, that the Bible is just the church's creation?.

[BeautifulDisaster]

The one thing I do believe is that with a positive attitude, you will get further than with a negative attitude, so I suppose if you believe in God, it's going to more than likely give you a more positive attitude.

[2D]

Churches control people using religion, it's the same thing. And religion can control people for example if the Bible says I'm a sinner and my soul will be tortured forevermore in hell for IDK killing then I probably wont kill.Unless of course you are proposing, that the Bible is just the church's creation?.

Killing is wrong period. Your argument is invalid.

[AgusCO]

Killing is wrong period. Your argument is invalid.

Replace it with sex before marriage, homosexuality, not worshiping god, there are so many things you are told you will go to hell and the three above are not wrong.

[Watchfulness]

So all religious people can't comprehend and are delusional? That's a very lacking argument.





Congrats guys. You're so much better than the rest of us and you know "whatsup"


By comprehension, I am reffering on how they explain and interpret everyday occurance. During the early ages of man, intelligence is not as advanced as it is today, in which we see explanation through logic and reasoning. Where as, ancient people create explanations through the use of deities that represents the idea they signify.

Ever wondered why mythology and the modern perspective of God and religion are not considered to be in the same category?

The use of delusion in the belief of God is similar to the delusional state a person is in when they believe that any of the mythological entities exists. We know that mythological creatures do not exist, how can we say that God exists?

This is my perspective, people are free to believe whatever they desire no matter how ludicrous their belief may be seen by other individuals.

[Severus Snape]

I love how this is turning into a "lol God isnt reel bcuz i cn make a silly joke lool!!!1!!!111" thread.

Ok then. Prove god. Ready go.

[Evermore]

But what if for arguments sake their was no god how would you get back up if you suddenly decided you didnt believe. Nothing would be different youd still get up

Or you'd kill yourself.... Suicide and God are the first things people turn to in times of despair.

Ah... So he will cure all the disease? He will end all wars? He will bring the economy of the world back to it's previous state? He will give us all food? He will end poverty? He will end terrorism or violence all together? He will give all of the orphans parents? There are definitely more questions.

These are all questions that must be answered. To assume that he will make everything better is just ignorant, and retarded. The sooner we learn to understand that we need to take things into our own hands to make things better the faster it will happen. Sure, it will take time but we need to realize that nothing, and that means nothing, can be handled perfectly in a quick manner.

You've got to realize that he may be up there, but he won't do everything for us on his own.
Wars are a cause of the free will he gives us. It's not god's fault it's mankind's. Yes god, would resolve wars and disease's if everyone involved with this war/disease was leaving it in his hands.

[AgusCO]

Or you'd kill yourself.... Suicide and God are the first things people turn to in times of despair.


Wars are a cause of the free will he gives us. It's not god's fault it's mankind's. Yes god, would resolve wars and disease's if everyone involved with this war/disease was leaving it in his hands.

In theory he could stop it if he is all-mighty. And we've arrived to a classic paradox.

[Magus]

What if God already decided the fate and how we do and what are the possibility that we can be.

There is nothing such as just chance, there must've been a precursor which guides all things.

I just died from a heart attack, yet I have no history of heart disease and I am healthy as I can be. (Some one is playing with the deathnote I presume)

Ex nihilo nihil fit

Out of nothing comes nothing.

[Evermore]

it's not a paradox its that god won't break a promise. he said he wouldn't tamper with free will and he won't now many people abuse this but id much rather have many people abuse this than us all be mindless robots.

[AgusCO]

What if God already decided the fate and how we do and what are the possibility that we can be.

There is nothing such as just chance, there must've been a precursor which guides all things.

I just died from a heart attack, yet I have no history of heart disease and I am healthy as I can be. (Some one is playing with the deathnote I presume)

Ex nihilo nihil fit

Out of nothing comes nothing.

First line: Then there's no sense in praying for everything is aledy set.

Last line: Then you must rule out both the Big Bang theory and god.

it's not a paradox its that god won't break a promise. he said he wouldn't tamper with free will and he won't now many people abuse this but id much rather have many people abuse this than us all be mindless robots.


He won't break a promise to prevent evil and suffering? That doesn't sound so compassionate or loving for me.
And technically he could make sure you wouldn't realise you are mindless robots.He could have also made you believe there is free will.

[Magus]

[QUOTE]First line: Then there's no sense in praying for everything is aledy set.

That's solely dependent on the faith you follow. There are religions that don't pray at all. There are religions that do daily prayers. Purpose of prayer is a whole new discussion, but I won't go far.


Last line: Then you must rule out both the Big Bang theory and god.


Domino effect, nuff said.

[Evermore]

Someone somewhere might like the war. Perhaps many people. They wouldn't like not to have the free will to initiate that war. The only person that can hope to go against god is god himself and when he says he won't stop free will that means he won't.
I consider him compassionate and loving for giving us that.

[Noughfur]

Someone somewhere might like the war. Perhaps many people. They wouldn't like not to have the free will to initiate that war. The only person that can hope to go against god is god himself and when he says he won't stop free will that means he won't.
I consider him compassionate and loving for giving us that.

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Compassionate and loving for giving us free will? Giving us the opportunity to ruin our lives and be damned to hell? Or guide us to a direct path to a promised heaven? I'd think he'd be a bit more compassionate and loving if he did the second one.

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Someone earlier said something about God not controlling us, but only giving us suggestions on how to use our free will. Wouldn't you consider it more along the lines of giving us an ultimatum? "Do this, or go to hell." Sure, you can do what you want, but if you don't do what he wants, you go to hell. Sounds like freedom to me.

[Magus]

Someone earlier said something about God not controlling us, but only giving us suggestions on how to use our free will. Wouldn't you consider it more along the lines of giving us an ultimatum? "Do this, or go to hell." Sure, you can do what you want, but if you don't do what he wants, you go to hell. Sounds like freedom to me.

I am sure in Schools or Offices you are free on what you do, try and do silly stuff, pull a prank on your principle or Boss and see what you get, Nothing?

Same is with God. You expect nothing from him?

My question is, if you don't believe in God, than why you tire your self in the first place?

[Evermore]

Someone somewhere might like the war. Perhaps many people. They wouldn't like not to have the free will to initiate that war. The only person that can hope to go against god is god himself and when he says he won't stop free will that means he won't.
I consider him compassionate and loving for giving us that.

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Compassionate and loving for giving us free will? Giving us the opportunity to ruin our lives and be damned to hell? Or guide us to a direct path to a promised heaven? I'd think he'd be a bit more compassionate and loving if he did the second one.

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Someone earlier said something about God not controlling us, but only giving us suggestions on how to use our free will. Wouldn't you consider it more along the lines of giving us an ultimatum? "Do this, or go to hell." Sure, you can do what you want, but if you don't do what he wants, you go to hell. Sounds like freedom to me.

You're saying you would prefer no free will? To be unable to do something if it would possibly hurt someone else. Please everyone's picked on someone before. Would you like god to make it impossible? Just because he's all powerful? People die and suffer of their own accord or of Satan's. That isn't god's doing. Also he doesn't send people to hell. Hell was created for the devil an his fallen angels. Humans were never supposed to be there.

[Evermore]

It's depressing that some people teach that. :(