Negative Rep guidelines

[Giles]

Ok, I've had a look through the FAQ's and I couldn't find anything about Negative rep and what can be deemed as negative rep-worthy.

This does have to do with a personal experience, but I just want to check first here...

Is the arcade just for fun, a nice happy place for stupid games with stupid responses?
Therefore, if I posted a pointless (yet imo comical) answer there is no reason for -rep if it's not hurting anyone and it's not spamming as it's only the one post?

Can someone explain guidelines for negative rep please?

[Aηdy]

It's only rep.. I wouldn't worry about it.. it you made a spammy post it's still worthy of -ve rep

[The Batman]

Positive and Negative rep depends on the person giving you the rep that's all.

[BlackBetty]

This same thing has happened to me also. It may be only rep, but people shouldn't be able to dish it out like candy and get away with it.

[Giles]

It's only rep.. I wouldn't worry about it.. it you made a spammy post it's still worthy of -ve rep

Spammy, yet comical. There's a difference I don't see why that should deserve neg rep.

[The Batman]

Why is it that no one ever complains about getting positive rep for undeserved posts...
Still it's just rep if you feel it's undeserved pm an admin and if they agree it's gone if they don't agree then oh well.

[Giles]

No one is going to complain about positive rep because it's positive. Most people couldn't give a shit why they got it, just that they get it.

[The Batman]

So why not feel the same about negative? It's just bars and numbers it doesn't make you more or less of a member. Focus more on what you post and less on if someone reps you for it or not.

[CaptainObvious]

This same thing has happened to me also. It may be only rep, but people shouldn't be able to dish it out like candy and get away with it.

Why not? It's completely meaningless, so why give a fuck?

It always amuses me how fixated people are on their rep, and how it's invariably the people with not all that much who spend so much time talking about it.

[Giles]

So why not feel the same about negative? It's just bars and numbers it doesn't make you more or less of a member. Focus more on what you post and less on if someone reps you for it or not.

Why not? It's completely meaningless, so why give a fuck?

It always amuses me how fixated people are on their rep, and how it's invariably the people with not all that much who spend so much time talking about it.

Why bother having it at all then?

[BlackBetty]

Does this ring a bell Thomas?:
Quote from Empty Misery http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30130 Post#18
"I think negative rep should be abolished. It is seriously being abused and i think it should be stopped. Positive rep is good, you rep on good posts and the person gets a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but negative rep on the other hand makes you feel as if your doing something wrong, the site is out to get you, or that your just not good enough for the site. I think instead of giving members the power to virtually chastise members we should only have the power to reward each other for good posts. "

[CaptainObvious]

Why bother having it at all then?

Two responses spring to mind:

1) Hell if I know.

2) So we can laugh at all the people who take it far too seriously.

[Cloud]

When i get neg rep
i laugh

Its just blocks and numbers
would you honestly get this stressed about graphs in maths lessons?

[Giles]

When i get neg rep
i laugh

Its just blocks and numbers
would you honestly get this stressed about graphs in maths lessons?

Yes, but that's another story.

[The Batman]

Does this ring a bell Thomas?:
Quote from Empty Misery http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30130
"
I think negative rep should be abolished. It is seriously being abused and i think it should be stopped. Positive rep is good, you rep on good posts and the person gets a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but negative rep on the other hand makes you feel as if your doing something wrong, the site is out to get you, or that your just not good enough for the site. I think instead of giving members the power to virtually chastise members we should only have the power to reward each other for good posts. "

I made that post about a year and a half ago maybe something more recent would have been better because all you're showing is that I changed my opinion.

[BlackBetty]

I made that post about a year and a half ago maybe something more recent would have been better because all you're showing is that I changed my opinion.

Still, it's written documentation on how you feel about it.

[The Batman]

Still, it's written documentation on how you feel about it.

No it's how I FELT about it. How I FEEL is that it doesn't matter it's just bars and numbers and people should get over it.

[Zazu]

Quite honestly to all of you who worry about it: calm the fuck down about it. It's a number on the internet and isn't serious business at all. Surely there are more important things like life to be concentrating on?

Resilient David is resilient to the idea of taking the internet too seriously.

[BlackBetty]

I think instead of giving members the power to virtually chastise members we should only have the power to reward each other for good posts.

[Cloud]

i think stupidity should have a reward
and that reward should be negative rep
so lets keep it

[karl]

I made that post about a year and a half ago maybe something more recent would have been better because all you're showing is that I changed my opinion.

Did you change your opinion before or after you got more than 100 reps. I notice it's only those members with double figure reps who trivialize the rep points system

[The Batman]

Did you change your opinion before or after you got more than 100 reps. I notice it's only those members with double figure reps who trivialize the rep points system

Before I got it. The only people that complain about rep are the ones with very little and who's not been here a while. Most of the older members don't care about rep as much as the newer ones do. When you've been here for a while you just stop caring about things like rep and post count and you start to see the "help and support" part of this site and the rest doesn't mean as much as it use to.

[karl]

OK, sorry, but I got negative rep and an infraction because I didn't understand what I was doing. Maybe you older members could go easy on kids like me, I'm only 13 and rep points mean a lot when you're starting out in a place like this.

[The Batman]

If you worry to much about rep then you are setting yourself up to fail. Everyone just needs to focus on what they post and being a good person around the forums and rep will come.

[karl]

Thanks, I know I've learnt a lot these three short months.

[Maverick]

As the little box says:

What do you think of (insert name here)'s post?
I approve
I disapprove

Approving or disapproving a post is completely subjective. If you disapprove of a post in whatever way you can neg someone for it.

Rep should be scraped though. I'm tired of people fussing about it.

[2D]

Who cares. I like it because i like knowing that I either made a good post or someone was offended by a post of mine, so it's really a win win.

[-Silence]

Rep should be scraped though. I'm tired of people fussing about it.

Oh please do, its getting rather ridiculous. People can take the positive but if negative comes along they have a hissy fit.

[nick]

I like the rep system, but it is sometimes abused and used spitefully. Karl is right though, its easy for people with 100+ rep power to say it doesnt matter. The trouble is that the system is unfair. Really its not rep thats wrong its rep power thats wrong. Most of the people with really high rep scores will have got there from patting each other on the back.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

Tbh i think those with high rep deserve it and whats the big deal anyway. whether its good rep or bad it doesnt matter when i see good rep im just happy i helped someone when i see bad rep i would think. ok maybe my opinion was too strong and i learn from it but when i make a post i never think wil i get rep for this if i do. its always a bonus if i do but tbh i think there is too much of a big deal made about it

[Giles]

I completely support the idea of scrapping the whole thing.

[2D]

Moral of this story, Johnny, is that people get into the net more than their real life.

[deadpie]

I think you can hide your reputation level. User cp > Edit options.

[Giles]

Jeff, for some of us Vt is all we have left. Yes - I do mean me...

You sure can Tim, doesn't stop people giving/taking it though.

[2D]

I think you can hide your reputation level. User cp > Edit options.

Oh that's not the problem silly, the problem is that people can't handle getting told that they made a stupid/silly/ignorant/bad post on an online forum. It's really quite funny. I quite love negative rep. I don't see what the big fuss is.

EDIT: Well I'm sorry that an online forum full of strangers is all you have left Ben. That sucks man. I'm trying to come across as sympathetic here not as a jackass btw.

[Giles]

I love it how everyone has totally missed the point of my query...

[2D]

I love it how everyone has totally missed the point of my query...

I love how you totally blew it out of proportion.

There are no set guidelines I think, it's just a person's opinion. And what people think doesn't matter either way.

[Giles]

I love how you totally blew it out of proportion.

There are no set guidelines I think, it's just a person's opinion. And what people think doesn't matter either way.

Sorry... Didn't realise you weren't allowed to ask questions now :eek:

[2D]

Sorry... Didn't realise you weren't allowed to ask questions now :eek:

Quit being so dramatic. It's not a big fucking deal. Get over it and don't put words in my mouth.

[Giles]

What's important to you is not the same as what is important to me. You've no idea about what's going on in what is left of my personal life - you can tell me to stop being so dramatic when you stop licking everyones arse.

[2D]

What's important to you is not the same as what is important to me. You've no idea about what's going on in what is left of my personal life - you can tell me to stop being so dramatic when you stop licking everyones arse.

Heh, me, a kiss-ass. That's a first.

[Giles]

Just reading this thread makes it blindingly obvious.

[2D]

Just reading this thread makes it blindingly obvious.

I shall respectfully step away from this thread while maintaining some degree of dignity.

Good day.

Get your priorities straight.

[Giles]

Sadly Jeff, none of this would of transpired if a report I sent in about 5 hours ago had been acknowledged. But apparently the mods don't lock on Op's request anymore...

I'll just ask you all rather kindly...
Stop posting, it's gone way off topic and I've requested a lock twice.

[-Silence]

Your requesting a thread that you started to be locked because it isnt going your way? Come on dude, get real.

If something bothers you dont keep clicking on that thread to view it. Ignore it. You keep posting remarks to a silly argument just feeds the fire.

[Silverfist64]

Jumping in. Im going to have to agree with both sides of the conflict. I view rep as an achievement of sorts. That I worked hard to earn it and that I contributed to the site in a meaningful way that helped someone who was in need. I do also enjoy negative feeback as long as it doesnt cross over a certian point. For example...I only have around 128 rep(not rep power) and if someone like Anthony were to negative rep me I would be around -10 rep. After approximately 7 good rep and over 2 years of working on it(slowly), it would be all for nothing because I made one post that got on the wrong side of one of the higher up members. Plus, members who dont care much for rep are the ones with 100+ rep. Im not saying thats a true reason but the reason you most likely dont care anymore is because you have SOOO MUCH that no amount of negative rep will truly affect you. Youve earned it. Job well done. I was thinking on how to end my little rant but I decided this was the best way.

And now onto Benmullet. I agreed with you at first, but now I dont see the same thing as you. Your blowing it out of proportions s take a deep breath and calm down abit. Its not good if this place is the only place left and you make enemies by overexagerating rep.

EDIT: Was already typing before i saw your request lock. Got it in too late.

[Giles]

Fair enough you missed it Kevin. I feel like I have to respond now, This is pretty much the only place left for me now. I blew it out of proportion, I realize that now - reading back over it all - but it's all different to my original question anyway.

[BlackBetty]

What is the deal with mods not locking post?
And Karl is so right. It is the people with the 100+rep power that don't seem to care about rep. Because they can virtually harass/assault/and anything else you wonna call it to us if everything don't go your way.

Here lately, I've felt you have to walk on your toes in VT. Vt "isn't" suppose to be like that. I thought this was a H&A forum. I guess I was wrong. How is anyone suppose to help you when a Administrator don't even respond to your PM?

If you don't want to hear about the fuss of rep, then get rid of it all together. The ones that whine about it is the ones that can dish it out and that don't get hurt by it when someone else gives it to them.

I suggested rep on Govteen and everyone turned it down. I now see why. I understood the second that I was -repped by a post in this thread. People act silly and childgess and act like rep is a way of punishment if something don't go there way or if someone don't say something they approve of.

I though I had a safe haven, which use to be VT, but I guess it's not anymore.....

[-Silence]

If you are unhappy with VT you know where the door is.
Simple as that.

[BlackBetty]

If you are unhappy with VT you know where the door is.
Simple as that.

It's people like you that make VT feel like this.
Get the fuck over it, i'm not going no where.

[Cloud]

What is the deal with mods not locking post?

what is it with mods not being allowed lives outside of vt?


how is anyone suppose to help you when a Administrator don't even respond to your PM?
ill go shout at Ant and Steph for having jobs and lives then shall i?

If you don't want to hear about the fuss of rep, then get rid of it all together. The ones that whine about it is the ones that can dish it out and that don't get hurt by it when someone else gives it to them.
what ? im not whining


People act silly and childgess and act like rep is a way of punishment if something don't go there way or if someone don't say something they approve of.
youd moan at people if they called you out on your stupidity in the post


I though I had a safe haven, which use to be VT, but I guess it's not anymore.....
im sure youll survive

[CaptainObvious]

Jumping in. Im going to have to agree with both sides of the conflict. I view rep as an achievement of sorts. That I worked hard to earn it and that I contributed to the site in a meaningful way that helped someone who was in need. I do also enjoy negative feeback as long as it doesnt cross over a certian point. For example...I only have around 128 rep(not rep power) and if someone like Anthony were to negative rep me I would be around -10 rep. After approximately 7 good rep and over 2 years of working on it(slowly), it would be all for nothing because I made one post that got on the wrong side of one of the higher up members. Plus, members who dont care much for rep are the ones with 100+ rep. Im not saying thats a true reason but the reason you most likely dont care anymore is because you have SOOO MUCH that no amount of negative rep will truly affect you. Youve earned it. Job well done. I was thinking on how to end my little rant but I decided this was the best way.

And now onto Benmullet. I agreed with you at first, but now I dont see the same thing as you. Your blowing it out of proportions s take a deep breath and calm down abit. Its not good if this place is the only place left and you make enemies by overexagerating rep.

EDIT: Was already typing before i saw your request lock. Got it in too late.

The problem is your assumptions are faulty. I never care(d) how much rep I have/had, and neither should you or really anyone else.

What is the deal with mods not locking post?
And Karl is so right. It is the people with the 100+rep power that don't seem to care about rep. Because they can virtually harass/assault/and anything else you wonna call it to us if everything don't go your way.

Here lately, I've felt you have to walk on your toes in VT. Vt "isn't" suppose to be like that. I thought this was a H&A forum. I guess I was wrong. How is anyone suppose to help you when a Administrator don't even respond to your PM?

If you don't want to hear about the fuss of rep, then get rid of it all together. The ones that whine about it is the ones that can dish it out and that don't get hurt by it when someone else gives it to them.

I suggested rep on Govteen and everyone turned it down. I now see why. I understood the second that I was -repped by a post in this thread. People act silly and childgess and act like rep is a way of punishment if something don't go there way or if someone don't say something they approve of.

I though I had a safe haven, which use to be VT, but I guess it's not anymore.....

The power of people to bully or harass you with neg rep only exists insofar as you care about neg rep. Don't care about it, and you won't have problems with it.

[BlackBetty]

what is it with mods not being allowed lives outside of vt?

What the fuck is up with people like you that think they run the fucking show around here when your not EVEN a mod?

ill go shout at Ant and Steph for having jobs and lives then shall i?
I don't think Ant or Stpeh needs you to stand up for them

what ? im not whining

you would if rep was diabled


youd moan at people if they called you out on your stupidity in the post

I rather be called out in stupidity in my post instead of someone hiding behind a computer that don't sign there name on a -rep.

im sure youll survive

i'm sure you don't know how to shut your fucking mouth when you know NOTHING about me or my life. so how about canning it


Quote"The power of people to bully or harass you with neg rep only exists insofar as you care about neg rep. Don't care about it, and you won't have problems with it. "

It's not all about neg repping and have it. It's the fact that people are able to do it/get away with it and dish it out if they don't even like the person

[2D]

I don't have 100+ rep and I don't care about it. I'm leaning towards getting rid of it because all of the people getting pissy about it.

[-Silence]

It's people like you that make VT feel like this.
Get the fuck over it, i'm not going no where.

People like me, hahaha.

Why bother complaining about something you cant change? I was just pointing out the obvious that you dont have to be here.

[2D]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/439149860_a3c52f154b.jpg

[BlackBetty]

People like me, hahaha.

Why bother complaining about something you cant change? I was just pointing out the obvious that you dont have to be here.

And you don't have to treat people like shit because your a "senior" member or what ever you want to call it.

[Cloud]

how does me telling you that the staff cant be on all the time remotely relate to me running vt?
Well you were moaning about the staff being away
im sorry for standing up for the people who arent here
and im sure ant would appreciate me saving him time telling you that he nor the rest of his staff can be online 24/7


and tbh i wouldnt really care if i lost rep
the only thing i gain from rep is a lil competition between like marcie stephen or jessi or whoever else has high rep, its not like i go cry myself to sleep when someone neg reps me

i sign my rep actually
youll notice that the people who dont care sign it
the ones who do care dont sign it

I dont care if rep goes fun feature but im not gonna go all stroppy about it

[thrust of trust]

rep is like the upvote feature on reddit. some ppl can upvote or downvote u for no reason or for one. it all depends on the one who its clicking that mouse.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

Wow ok calum was just making a point and so is everyone here i think this has gotten way out of hand tbh rep is not somethng u hav to have you dont like it just turn it off. it realy is that simple

[Silverfist64]

The problem is your assumptions are faulty. I never care(d) how much rep I have/had, and neither should you or really anyone else.

Dont quote me too much. Im not taking sides and I dont want to get into this whole mess of drama. I was simply stating my opinion on the matter. Nothing I said is 100% true nor correct. It is simply a basis on how im viewing this thread. Besides, I dont get too much into rep either. I like it just like I like my gamerscore and my achievements in the modern warfare series. I was upset with my gamerscore so I worked hard to get it from 6k to over 10k in 2 months. Not to mention im only missing two achievements in both modern warfares. My point? Something may not be important in the real life spectrum or in the needs for the survival of life, but some people care about the little things. The things that make them feel a part of a community. The people with 30 rep are the people who know everybody on here and are the people who "run" the place in a sense. Its the social pyramid and everyone is trying to get on top. And for those people who wont ever get there (me particullary) it gives us a sense of pride and dignity in a forum that says they care about us but in the true aspect of it, dont.

[2D]

how does me telling you that the staff cant be on all the time remotely relate to me running VT?
Well you were moaning about the staff being away
I'm sorry for standing up for the people who aren't here
and I'm sure ant would appreciate me saving him time telling you that he nor the rest of his staff can be online 24/7

Yes, because everyone loves you and appreciates what you do.

and tbh I wouldn't really care if i lost rep
the only thing I gain from rep is a lil' competition between like Marcie Stephen or Jessi or whoever else has high rep, its not like I go cry myself to sleep when someone neg reps me

I can get behind that.

I sign my rep actually.
You'll notice that the people who don't care sign it.
The ones who do care don't sign it.

Ummm, how would you know who doesn't sign rep, they don't sin it do there's no ID. Ummmm.

I don't care if rep goes fun feature but I'm not gonna go all stroppy about it

Word.

[Cloud]

Ummm, how would you know who doesn't sign rep, they don't sin it do there's no ID. Ummmm.
Because it takes of fuck all points
when i get an unsigned neg rep itll only have taken a few points off
which shows that its the people with the low rep powers whove done
and there generally the people that are bothered by rep

[Gumleaf]

just a couple of things:

1) just because the op requests for a thread to be locked, it doesn't mean that they will always be locked. if a moderator deems it to be beneficial for it to stay open, then it may be kept open.

2) for those complaining about the admins, just so you know at least one of them is laid up sick atm and the other one has a full time job to attend to on topof the other things needed to keep vt running. your pm's will be responded to, but you need to be reasonable.

3) to answer the original question, negative rep should be used as a tool to encourage people who offer poor advice to think more carefully before posting next time to offer more beneficial advice. it is not designed to be used as a weapon and if you feel you have been unfairly treated, pm an administrator.

4) vt is a h&a site, but it is also up to you to get along with people. although the staff are here to assist you, it's your responsibility for how you interact with other members. heather was right in saying that if you are unhappy here, then maybe you should find another place where you will be happier if you find yourself feeling like that.

5) due to the fighting in this thread, it will be locked before i'm put into a position to issue infractons to people.