Circumcision

[Doctor Fate]

Well... no offense to anyone who is fond of the whole concept, since I most definitely am not...

Would you ever get your son circumcised?

I know I most definitely would never do that. Why it is so common in this part of the world is a mystery to me, because personally I feel genital mutilation is wrong and I don't see the point of cutting pieces off of your children's privates. Really, it isn't any harder to clean if you put some effort into it... and "aesthetic appeal" is a very silly and shallow reason to get it done, unless the child decides for themselves that they want it when they get older.

[Giles]

Wrong place... this should be in either General Questions or Boys Puberty.

[Sugaree]

No, namely because a penis is a penis even if it doesn't have a part to it. Really, I find it useless. As long as it works, I'm ok with it. So my answer will be no.

[Alfred Pennyworth]

i definitely wouldn't (mods, move to p101?)

[The Batman]

Wrong place... this should be in either General Questions or Boys Puberty.

In the future please just report it and move on. No need posting if it's not on topic.

TWPR :arrow: Gen Puberty

[JackOfClubs]

Yes I will have my son(s) circumcised.

[nick]

Yes I will have my son(s) circumcised.
Really Jack I find that a depressing answer, for the love of God why? It is mutilation for absolutely no purpose. Why do you feel the wish or need to perpetuate that?

[The Batman]

If I have kids I'll have them circumcised for hygienic reasons and because it's safe and won't harm him in any way.

[Pioneer92]

I will.

[nick]

It really is just so depressing, sorry to repeat myself, but I just cant get my head round it. There are no hygiene reasons, do you really think the whole of european manhood go around with problems? Its just nonsense. I cant understand why anyone wants to cut bits off their baby, its completely sick to me. Sorry, thats just how it is.

[The Batman]

It's just cutting off a little bit of extra skin it's not a bad thing.

Here are the pros and cons
The benefits
Circumcision may have health benefits, including:

Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it easy to wash the penis — although it's simple to clean an uncircumcised penis, too.

Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in the first year is low, but these infections may be up to 10 times as common in uncircumcised baby boys. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.

Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis may be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can also lead to inflammation of the head of the penis.

Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men.

Decreased risk of sexually transmitted diseases. Safe sexual practices remain essential, but circumcised men may have a slightly lower risk of certain sexually transmitted diseases — including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

The drawbacks
Circumcision also has drawbacks, including:

Surgical risks. Excessive bleeding and infection are uncommon, but possible. The foreskin may be cut too short or too long or fail to heal properly. If the remaining foreskin reattaches to the end of the penis, minor surgery may be needed to correct it.
Pain. Circumcision hurts. Local anesthesia can block nerve sensations during the procedure.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/circumcision/PR00040

[nick]

Tom that is about the most biased set of pros and cons I've ever seen. The website name includes 'clinic', do they by any small chance offer to carry out this completely useless and unjustified procedure on payment of the appropriate fee?

[The Batman]

Tom that is about the most biased set of pros and cons I've ever seen. The website name includes 'clinic', do they by any small chance offer to carry out this completely useless and unjustified procedure on payment of the appropriate fee?

That website isn't biased it says clinic because "Mayo Clinic" is the name of the place. Also when my cousin gave birth to her son the hospital said that circumcisions are free after birth. Also if you click the link and read more of the site they tell you what to do if you decide not to get the circumcision. That website is not biased it really has no reason to be.

Here's another site listing just about the same pros and cons of getting it.
The Pros and Cons
On the plus side, circumcised infants are less likely to develop urinary tract infections (UTIs), especially in the first year of life. UTIs are about 10 times more common in uncircumcised compared with circumcised infants. However, even with this increased risk of UTI, only 1% or less of uncircumcised males will be affected.

Circumcised men may also be at lower risk for penile cancer, although the disease is rare in both circumcised and uncircumcised males. Some studies indicate that the procedure might offer an additional line of defense against sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including HIV.

Penile problems, such as irritation, inflammation, and infection, are more common in uncircumcised males. It's easier to keep a circumcised penis clean, although uncircumcised boys can learn how to clean beneath the foreskin once the foreskin becomes retractable (usually some time before age 5).

Some people claim that circumcision either lessens or heightens the sensitivity of the tip of the penis, decreasing or increasing sexual pleasure later in life. But neither of these subjective findings has been proved.

Although circumcision appears to have some medical benefits, it also carries potential risks — as does any surgical procedure. These risks are small, but you should be aware of both the possible advantages and the problems before you make your decision. Complications of newborn circumcision are uncommon, occurring in between 0.2% to 3% of cases. Of these, the most frequent are minor bleeding and local infection, both of which can be easily treated by your doctor.

Perhaps one of the hardest parts of the decision to circumcise is accepting that the procedure can be painful. In the past, it wasn't commonplace to provide pain relief for babies being circumcised, but because studies have indicated that it benefits the infant to receive anesthesia, most doctors will now provide it.
http://kidshealth.org/parent/system/surgical/circumcision.html#

Nick there's really no problem with getting a circumcision just like there's nothing wrong with not getting it.

[obiwan94]

probably would...I had problems with foreskin as teen, wouldn't want son to go through that

[Antares]

It really is just so depressing, sorry to repeat myself, but I just cant get my head round it. There are no hygiene reasons, do you really think the whole of european manhood go around with problems? Its just nonsense. I cant understand why anyone wants to cut bits off their baby, its completely sick to me. Sorry, thats just how it is.

Scientific studies has shown that people who are penis that have been circ. have a lower possibility of contracting fatal diseases?
What is the root cause of this? Hygiene under the foreskin.

Therefore, it is better to be cut rather than uncut in general as far as hygiene and dangers go.


It is just a piece of skin. Get over it. I didn't even know that my pee pee looked different than European or African pee pees until I joined this site.

If you are circ. I don't think many people care too much...unless they are obsessed with their penis. It grows on you because it has how you have known your body since...the 2nd week of birth.

[cherry_boi]

i'm cut

if i have a son i'm unsure if i will have him cut or leave him uncut

partial cut is most likely, idk... it's up in the air atm

<side note>....i find if funny that most of the people who are "appalled" at the idea of circumcision are the ones who have not experienced it themselves

it's not THAT big of a deal either way...sure it matters, but not the the extent that people take it

fact is, there are valid reasons both for, and against it..... it really comes down to a matter of preference and personal feelings/beliefs---there is no right or wrong

[nick]

While it is the most common surgical procedure in the world, there is virtually no demonstrable health benefit derived from circumcision of either newborns or adults, a new study concludes.

The sole exception seems to be using circumcision to reduce the risk of transmission of HIV-AIDS in adult males in sub-Saharan Africa, though it is unlikely that benefit carries over to other parts of the world where rates of HIV-AIDS are much lower.

The research, published in Tuesday’s edition of the Annals of Family Medicine, shows that, despite claims, there is little evidence that circumcision can prevent sexually transmitted infections, urinary tract infections and penile cancer.

There are also risks to the surgery that, while rare, range from sexual dissatisfaction through to penile loss.

“Patients who request circumcision in the belief that it bestows clinical benefits must be made aware of the lack of consensus and robust evidence, as well as the potential medical and psychosocial harms of the procedure,” said Guy Maddern, of the department of surgery at The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Adelaide, Australia, and lead author of the study.

In newborns, he said, the surgery is “inappropriate” because it offers no therapeutic benefit.

About one-third of males worldwide undergo circumcision, the surgical removal of the prepuce (or foreskin).

The procedure is done principally for religious, cultural and social reasons.

Religious male circumcision is practised under both Jewish and Islamic law, and it is an integral part of some aboriginal and African cultural practices.

The main social reasons the practice has continued is a widespread desire that boys resemble their fathers, and a belief that boys who undergo circumcision have fewer health problems.

The new study, a systematic review (a compilation and analysis of previously published research), looked only at the latter point.

Dr. Maddern and his research team found no evidence that uncircumcised men have higher rates of penile cancer. In fact, they noted penile cancer is extremely rare and seemingly unrelated to the presence of a prepuce.

The belief that urinary tract infections are more common in uncircumcised males is not backed up by research. Dr. Maddern noted the fewer than 2 per cent of boys suffer urinary tract infections which “makes it unlikely that preventive circumcision of normal boys would outweigh the adverse events associated with the procedure.”

Finally, there was no evidence at all that there are fewer sexually-transmitted infections among circumcised males. The exception was a study in sub-Saharan Africa that showed doing the surgery on adult males reduced their risk of contracting HIV-AIDS. (However, rates of HIV-AIDS were not reduced in their female partners.)

Rather, Dr. Maddern said, the prepuce seems to act as a barrier against contamination and, by helping maintain a moist environment, enhance sexual pleasure.

According to the study, the only medical justification for circumcision is to treat boys or men with penile abnormalities.



source (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/circumcision-health-benefit-virtually-nil-study-finds/article1427972/)

[The Batman]

While it is the most common surgical procedure in the world, there is virtually no demonstrable health benefit derived from circumcision of either newborns or adults, a new study concludes.

The sole exception seems to be using circumcision to reduce the risk of transmission of HIV-AIDS in adult males in sub-Saharan Africa, though it is unlikely that benefit carries over to other parts of the world where rates of HIV-AIDS are much lower.

The research, published in Tuesday’s edition of the Annals of Family Medicine, shows that, despite claims, there is little evidence that circumcision can prevent sexually transmitted infections, urinary tract infections and penile cancer.

There are also risks to the surgery that, while rare, range from sexual dissatisfaction through to penile loss.

“Patients who request circumcision in the belief that it bestows clinical benefits must be made aware of the lack of consensus and robust evidence, as well as the potential medical and psychosocial harms of the procedure,” said Guy Maddern, of the department of surgery at The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Adelaide, Australia, and lead author of the study.

In newborns, he said, the surgery is “inappropriate” because it offers no therapeutic benefit.

About one-third of males worldwide undergo circumcision, the surgical removal of the prepuce (or foreskin).

The procedure is done principally for religious, cultural and social reasons.

Religious male circumcision is practised under both Jewish and Islamic law, and it is an integral part of some aboriginal and African cultural practices.

The main social reasons the practice has continued is a widespread desire that boys resemble their fathers, and a belief that boys who undergo circumcision have fewer health problems.

The new study, a systematic review (a compilation and analysis of previously published research), looked only at the latter point.

Dr. Maddern and his research team found no evidence that uncircumcised men have higher rates of penile cancer. In fact, they noted penile cancer is extremely rare and seemingly unrelated to the presence of a prepuce.

The belief that urinary tract infections are more common in uncircumcised males is not backed up by research. Dr. Maddern noted the fewer than 2 per cent of boys suffer urinary tract infections which “makes it unlikely that preventive circumcision of normal boys would outweigh the adverse events associated with the procedure.”

Finally, there was no evidence at all that there are fewer sexually-transmitted infections among circumcised males. The exception was a study in sub-Saharan Africa that showed doing the surgery on adult males reduced their risk of contracting HIV-AIDS. (However, rates of HIV-AIDS were not reduced in their female partners.)

Rather, Dr. Maddern said, the prepuce seems to act as a barrier against contamination and, by helping maintain a moist environment, enhance sexual pleasure.

According to the study, the only medical justification for circumcision is to treat boys or men with penile abnormalities.



source (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/circumcision-health-benefit-virtually-nil-study-finds/article1427972/)

You call my post biased? Nick you posted an article about someone i posted from health sites I think a health site is a bit more reliable.

[nick]

You call my post biased? Nick you posted an article about someone i posted from health sites I think a health site is a bit more reliable.
No I didnt, its not an article about someone, its an article about very recent reearch as published in a medical journal.

In 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued a policy statement that says the benefits aren't strong enough to recommend routine circumcision for all male newborns. (source (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/circumcision/PR00040))

[The Batman]

No I didnt, its not an article about someone, its an article about very recent reearch as published in a medical journal.

In 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued a policy statement that says the benefits aren't strong enough to recommend routine circumcision for all male newborns. (source (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/circumcision/PR00040))

Yup that's what my source said. Like I said before it doesn't matter either way if you get it or not.

[Giles]

Tom, Nick - Does it really matter?

I wouldn't as there are no real benefits and several downsides.

[The Batman]

Tom, Nick - Does it really matter?

Ben I just said it didn't matter to me

Like I said before it doesn't matter either way if you get it or not.

[jen691]

no i will NOT