The Feeling of Being Circumcised

[MoveAlong]

I read this on circumcision.org.

Only men circumcised as adults can experience the difference a foreskin makes. In the Journal of Sex Research, Money and Davison from the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine reported on five such men. Changes included diminished penile sensitivity and less penile gratification. The investigators concluded,

Erotosexually and cosmetically, the operation is, for the most part, contraindicated, and it should be evaluated in terms of possible pathological sequelae.
Other men circumcised as adults regret the change.

1) I play guitar and my fingers get callused from playing. That’s similar to what happened to my penis after circumcision.

2) After the circumcision there was a major change. It was like night and day. I lost most sensation. I would give anything to get the feeling back. I would give my house. [This man’s physician persuaded him to be circumcised by warning he could otherwise get penile cancer. When the man complained of the result, the physician replied, “That’s normal” and would not help him.]

3) Slowly the area lost its sensitivity, and as it did, I realized I had lost something rather vital. Stimuli that had previously aroused ecstasy had relatively little effect. . . . Circumcision destroys a very joyful aspect of the human experience for males and females.

4) The greatest disadvantage of circumcision is the awful loss of sensitivity when the foreskin is removed. . . . On a scale of 10, the intact penis experiences pleasure that is at least 11 or 12; the circumcised penis is lucky to get to 3.

5)The sexual differences between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis is . . . like wearing a condom or wearing a glove. . . . Sight without color would be a good analogy. . . . Only being able to see in black and white, for example, rather than seeing in full color would be like experiencing an orgasm with a foreskin and without. There are feelings you’ll just never have without a foreskin.

6) After thirty years in the natural state I allowed myself to be persuaded by a physician to have the foreskin removed—not because of any problems at the time, but because, in the physician’s view, there might be problems in the future. That was five years ago and I am sorry I had it done. . . . The sensitivity in the glans has been reduced by at least 50 percent. There it is, unprotected, constantly rubbing against the fabric of whatever I am wearing. In a sense, it has become callused. . . . I seem to have a relatively unresponsive stick where I once had a sexual organ.

Sorry if this bothers anyone! In fact, delete this. I wanted to get this out but I just don't think people should know this because the majority of VT is circumcised...but I guess they don't want to know this xD


...Just...Mods, I don't know. I am really sorry if this isn't ok...do whatever you want :\


*~Donnie\))


EDIT: A couple more things about this:
Based on the examination of 22 adult foreskins obtained at autopsy, they found that the outer foreskin’s concentration of nerves is “impressive” and its “sensitivity to light touch and pain are similar to that of the skin of the penis as a whole.”

The foreskin inner surface is different. It is mucous membrane similar to the inner surface of the mouth, also rich in nerves and blood vessels. Between the inner and outer layers of the foreskin is a unique structure they call a “ridged band” that contains “specialized nerve endings.”

The researchers conclude that the foreskin has several kinds of nerves and “should be considered a structural and functional unit made up of more or less specialized parts. . . . The glans and penile shaft gain excellent if surrogate sensitivity from the prepuce.”

The foreskin represents at least a third of the penile skin. It protects the glans from abrasion and contact with clothes.
The foreskin also increases sexual pleasure by sliding up and down on the shaft, stimulating the glans by alternately covering and exposing it. This can occur during masturbation or intercourse. Friction is minimized, and supplementary lubrication is not needed.

Without the foreskin, the glans skin, which is normally moist mucous membrane, becomes dry and thickens considerably in response to continued exposure. This change reduces its sensitivity.

In addition, the loss of a secretion called smegma of the inner foreskin layer removes natural lubrication. Oral-genital sexual activity is more common in the United States than in many other societies.

Could the lack of natural lubrication of the penis due to circumcision be a reason?

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

I am circumcised.... and its all i know... so i cant say ne thing bout a change...

but i dont mind not having it... its a lot cleaner and its easier to work with. Not as complicated.... theres a shaft and a head.... no hidden crevaces needed to clean.... with forskin... u need to pull back the forskin to clean and yeah...

[MoveAlong]

I'm sorry but I don't see the big deal with cleaning you penis. There are no hidden creveses n.n
All you have to do is just clean it as you normally do. Just pull back, clean as usual, and then pull back over the head. I know this from doing it many times ^_^
I think it's simple but if people think it's that hard to clean it, then oh well :|

[~Dazed&&Confused~]

I'm sorry but I don't see the big deal with cleaning you penis. There are no hidden creveses n.n
All you have to do is just clean it as you normally do. Just pull back, clean as usual, and then pull back over the head. I know this from doing it many times ^_^
I think it's simple but if people think it's that hard to clean it, then oh well :|
ye exactly... theres nothin to it apart from the remains of soap on the head... whats a crevess anyway?...

[Kev*]

i didnt read all of that but what i did i found quite interesting

[Melchi0r]

What would've happened if the men had stayed circumsized?

I guess I'm kinda glad I got it done as a baby.

[DouggyO.o]

im circumsized and im totaly happy, i get pleasure, and its not hard to clean, im totaly fine with it

[Kev*]

its not hard to clean being un circumsized, you just pull back the foreskin n wash ne thing away

[Kev*]

its not hard to clean being uncut either.n is it not difficulr to masturbate.id imagein it wud b


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[Aηdy]

i was cut when i was 6 or 6 years old so i dont know the difference really. but i really couldnt give a shit about being cut or not, its a small bit of skin.. whooptidoo

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

I was cut at less than a week old

[MoveAlong]

Ok here's the thing:
If you are uncircumcised then on a scale of 1 to 10 for pleasure, it's usually about a 11 or 12. If you're circumcised, you're lucky if you get a 3. So, this thread might appeal to people thinking about circumcision (notice the related threads at the bottom of the page).
And I would of posted this in the other thread, but there are actually two other active threads about circumcision, and I think that this diserves it's own thread. :santa:

[Elscire]

with being uncircumsized its better because that way your penis won't rub on the clothes you wear and to me it acts like a cup to hold the semen

[MoveAlong]

whats a crevess anyway?...
Actually I didn't know how to discribe it so I looked it up :P
WordWeb defines a crevice as
1) A long narrow depression in a surface
2) A long narrow opening

See also,
Crack, cranny, fissure, cleft ect.

Wow circumcised boys think we have all of that^^? Lmao :lol:

[Aηdy]

but if you are cut, how is it less pleasure?? because there is more of the head in contact with your hand isnt there??? meaning more pleasure??

yey 3000th post

[MoveAlong]

Congrats! :hippy:

Answering your question, (this part is in the information I already gave, so read it! :mad:).
The foreskin also increases sexual pleasure by sliding up and down on the shaft, stimulating the glans by alternately covering and exposing it. This can occur during masturbation or intercourse. Friction is minimized, and supplementary lubrication is not needed.

[R_master]

bleh why would u be on that site in the first place?..

:P

anyways to people who are cut like me from birth to early childhood will never know the what it feels like having a forskin, therefore making any argument completly irrelivant. guys that are circumzied feel plenty of pleasure from sex so no worries.

[MoveAlong]

(I looked up this information because there was an increace in circumcision threads)

And exactly! I didn't want to make this an argument I just wanted to let people know if they are considering circumcision. People who were cut when they were babies/early childhood would feel the only pleasure they can and know-- a 3 :P
But if you're concidering circumcision, this might intrest you. Maybe we should change the name of this thread to "Considering Circumcision?" and I should update some of the information. We could do that :)

[0=]

Wow, glad my parents didn't mangle my dongle.

[Kalvin]

Im half circumsized naturally lmao

[Gavin]

Please stop bumping old threads (Kalvin)

[byee]

Yes, this is most certainly a post that should have rested in peace! It is filled with a lot of untruths, half truths, and statements that should make their authors embarassed at their display of insecurity!

As one who has been cut at 15, and speaking from some experience, there's not much of a difference in pleasure with that little, itty bitty piece of skin, regardless of the zillions of nerve cells or the 'gliding action' or any of the other really delicious sounding yet hollow things you might have heard. A penis is a penis is a penis. There isn't a distinguishable quality that is associated with either foreskin or circumcision. All you feel is gooooooooooooooooood.

I don't doubt that out there on the planet somewhere is someone who has been circumcised who absolutely hates it, as I'm sure there are probably a lot of guys who don't like their foreskins. But, I'd like to talk with them and find out what it is they're really responding to that they object to. We're all built the same way, our physiology is the same, their feeling experience cannot be THAT much different than my own.

Again, informational, not argumentative. There's not much of a difference, speaking from first hand experience.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Yes, this is most certainly a post that should have rested in peace! It is filled with a lot of untruths, half truths, and statements that should make their authors embarassed at their display of insecurity!

As one who has been cut at 15, and speaking from some experience, there's not much of a difference in pleasure with that little, itty bitty piece of skin, regardless of the zillions of nerve cells or the 'gliding action' or any of the other really delicious sounding yet hollow things you might have heard. A penis is a penis is a penis. There isn't a distinguishable quality that is associated with either foreskin or circumcision. All you feel is gooooooooooooooooood.

I don't doubt that out there on the planet somewhere is someone who has been circumcised who absolutely hates it, as I'm sure there are probably a lot of guys who don't like their foreskins. But, I'd like to talk with them and find out what it is they're really responding to that they object to. We're all built the same way, our physiology is the same, their feeling experience cannot be THAT much different than my own.

Again, informational, not argumentative. There's not much of a difference, speaking from first hand experience.

Before I start, I'm not going to argue with you about circumcision (so there's no reason to report my post or anything), but I am going to argue with your treatment of "information."

That's a lot more opinion than it is information, unless you consider one single anecdotal example fact. You also are effectively saying "all claims that there are any benefits to being uncircumcised are bullshit. I know from personal experience." It's completely intellectually dishonest to dismiss a quantitative scientific study in favor of one person's perception, and then present it as fact. You know this. I don't know why you choose to do it anyway.

But anyway...

I definitely think that "circumcision removes all the feeling in sex!" is one of the dumbest, most unsupported claims that anti-circumcision people make. There are valid reasons to want to be uncircumcised. Maybe it does avoid sensitivity decrease/keratinization. But sex is still enjoyable. There are also valid reasons to want to be circumcised too. Scaring people out of it, or making them feel bad, on the basis of one study, is also wrong.

I'm against infant circumcision, but scaring adults out of making their own choice with handpicked studies is useless. No, they shouldn't rush into the decision. They should have all of the facts. Neither this study nor SAM's post comes anywhere close to "all of the facts."

Edit: Oops, it was a bumped thread.

[byee]

Before I start, I'm not going to argue with you about circumcision (so there's no reason to report my post or anything), but I am going to argue with your treatment of "information."

That's a lot more opinion than it is information, unless you consider one single anecdotal example fact. You also are effectively saying "all claims that there are any benefits to being uncircumcised are bullshit. I know from personal experience." It's completely intellectually dishonest to dismiss a quantitative scientific study in favor of one person's perception, and then present it as fact. You know this. I don't know why you choose to do it anyway.

But anyway...

I definitely think that "circumcision removes all the feeling in sex!" is one of the dumbest, most unsupported claims that anti-circumcision people make. There are valid reasons to want to be uncircumcised. Maybe it does avoid sensitivity decrease/keratinization. But sex is still enjoyable. There are also valid reasons to want to be circumcised too. Scaring people out of it, or making them feel bad, on the basis of one study, is also wrong.

I'm against infant circumcision, but scaring adults out of making their own choice with handpicked studies is useless. No one should rush into this decision. They should have all of the facts. Neither this study nor SAM's post comes anywhere close to "all of the facts."

Edit: Oops, it was a bumped thread.

My purpose here isn't to argue with you, Alcon (oh, and there's no reason to SHOUT my name, only the 'S' needs to be capitalized). You've clearly got your own very personal agenda going on here that frankly, based on a few recent posts seems to be in total disregard for reality. No, my point isn't argumentative or to debate you (or anyone else) but to provide info based on actual experience, rather than hand picked 'info' that supports a pre existing perception. What you and the anti circ crowd does is frankly hideous. Fright tactics are really reprehensible, and your very clever way of presenting your opinon as fact is equally so. Simply acknowledging some things only after making your point doesn't change that, either.

It's unfortunate that you accept what you've heard out there only if you agree with it, however, you're free to dismiss my actual experience as 'anecdotal' if you wish. But, for those with open minds (and who are unsure of themselves), I'd like to think that one person's experience is worth a thousand propaganda website's opinions. Again, my point isn't argumentative, it's to reassure guys based on actual experience. Remember, having been uncut I was a part of your 'club' for awhile, too. I'm pretty objective.

Find me that person who says it's different based on their own experience. Until then, please, make it clear that your's is merely opinion.. What you're doing here is really unacceptable.

[Dolphus Raymond]

My purpose here isn't to argue with you, Alcon (oh, and there's no reason to SHOUT my name, only the 'S' needs to be capitalized). You've clearly got your own very personal agenda going on here that frankly, based on a few recent posts seems to be in total disregard for reality. No, my point isn't argumentative or to debate you (or anyone else) but to provide info based on actual experience, rather than hand picked 'info' that supports a pre existing perception. What you and the anti circ crowd does is frankly hideous. Fright tactics are really reprehensible, and your very clever way of presenting your opinon as fact is equally so.

How am I presenting my own opinions as facts? You are a confusing man, Sam (which is apparently not an acronym. :P)

You're ignoring studies out there in favor of your anecdotal opinion. Most people who are circumcised will be happy with it. Obviously, that wouldn't be true if it made sex suck. A minority, although significant for a surgery, aren't. I think it's about 60% happy, 25-30% unhappy, in a study that included people with medical issues. I can try to find it, but I might not be able to dig it up via Google. You could claim I'm lying, but I really have no interest in being dishonest about this.

On GovTeen, we had one survey where the majority of circumcised guys said they'd prefer to have had the choice. I'm sure you'll find a reason to reject this, though. We've conspired to pollute their minds or something, right? There, I've done it for you.

Fright tactics? Fright tactics like saying that there's nothing wrong with being happily circumcised? I really don't understand why you think I'm such an anti-circumcision zealot.

It's unfortuante that you accept what you've heard out there only if you agree with it, you're free to dismiss my actual experience as 'anecdotal'. However, for those with open minds (and who are unsure of themselves), I'd like to think that one person's experience is worth a thousand propaganda website's opinions.

I have no problem with anecdotes, but I take them with a grain of salt. If there is a difference in sensitivity, it would not happen in one or two years. But I doubt there is a significant difference. You still think I'm fearmongering?

And have you ever seen me use a propaganda web site?

Find me that person who says it's different based on their own experience. Until then, please, go away. What you're doing here is really unacceptable.

I have medical studies that indicate it may be. But I've seen that you don't seem to trust science. There are plenty of "propaganda web sites" full of men who feel that way. I think they are probably wrong.

I was not disagreeing with your conclusions (circumcision does not, for most people, make sex any less enjoyable - I agree with that). I was disagreeing with your dishonest use of your own opinion as a fact.

And, for the last time, if you think that opposing infant circumcision on purely ethical grounds makes me a "zealot," I just don't know what to tell you.

[byee]

Listen, i've requested a lock here, I'm not going to risk getting into trouble arguing with you, it's off topic, and frankly useless. I've said all I'm going to say. Let the readers determine who to believe.

(*shows really good judgement here*)

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Well, considering kalvin bumped this, and you two are rather off topic (As Sam said), I will lock this, and lets just move on, Alright?:)