Christian Extremism

[Antares]

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Its really hard to refrain from putting my opinion on this in this first post but!

Do you think this is christian extremism?
Not necessarily extremist in the fact that they haven't done crazy stuff (yet, the kids haven't grown up) but do you think this is over the top?

What do you think are the effects of things like this?

Do you think the kids are really caring about Jesus or just pretending for acceptance or whatever?

[ThatDude93]

I am a pretty devout Christian...but some people go way overboard from what even I see as being a religious person. The whole "go to war" concept is definitely extreme...and the kids having the whole "speaking in tongues and rolling on the floor" thing is definitely extreme and most likely faking it. I attend a church camp, it is similar in ways to that...but I did see some things in that video that surprised me....

[coodood]

this is christian extremism at it's worst. it looks like they're brain washing kids to be in " gods army".

[ThatDude93]

this is christian extremism at it's worst. it looks like they're brain washing kids to be in " gods army".

Yeah, as a Christian, I know God doesn't need or want an army. God wants missionaries...those people need to read The Great Commission....

[Sugaree]

This is Christian extremism at it's finest. By finest, I mean worst. This is like a brainwashing campaign to build some type of holy army in the name of God. Dear Christ, I can't imagine how fucked these kids are going to be mentally. This is just so over the top that words alone can't express it other than...fuck.

[Antares]

Well I like to relate this to Islamic training camps or kids in Africa that are trained to shoot and kill people of the other...faith or tribe or whatever.
Goes to show american and/or christians isn't much better than any other area fot he coutnry.

I fear what these kids will become in the future...

[The Batman]

That stuff scares me like any kind of groups of extremists.

[BruceWalt]

Go talk to some mountain mormons, theres no speaking in tongues but they are the most evil, judging people you will ever meet, or just through in the state of alabama to. LOL I just watched the Book of Eli and I wouldnt doubt after some global war people would burn al the bibles and just abolish religeon all together.

[2D]

All I know is that the stories I've heard from friends that go to Bible camp and whatnot are not Christian in the slightest. Crazy kids man.

[Sage]

Take any ideology and someone will eventually twist it around into something terrible. Hey, go figure.

[ThatDude93]

Dang guys, not every Christian is like this. So please don't judge people judge on just what you see. I think it is pretty crazy too....

At least they aren't handing out knives and guns....

[Antares]

At least they aren't handing out knives and guns....


...yet...


Considering people of this caliber are all for freedom to bear arms...

[ThatDude93]

I am for freedom to bear arms....but I'm not gonna go out and start shooting people who disagree with me.....and if these people do..you can't just blame the religion

It is the same way with Islamic Extremism....

[Evermore]

Yes, many people abuse christianity and take it to the extreme. Don't judge all christians though. I'm a christian but I would never take it this far.

[The Batman]

No one is blaming all christians we're talking about when it's being taken to far.

[ThatDude93]

Ok :) That is good to know...

[Sugaree]

I find it great that I get a negative rep comment saying that there's nothing wrong with being in God's army. Really, there is a problem. Why is it that Christians, be they extremists or not, find that God needs some type of "army" to back him up? He's God...couldn't He crush us with His foot if he wanted?

[The Batman]

That's not what God's Army is. It's more an army of recruits...

[Evermore]

It's an analogy. They don't really mean an army of christians as this world understans an army to be.

[CaptainObvious]

It's brainwashing, no more, no less.

[ThatDude93]

It's an analogy. They don't really mean an army of christians as this world understans an army to be.

It means more of a group of people "fighting" for a mission(ary movement)

[Evermore]

Not brainwashing. Training. Training the children to grow in god's way. These people yes take it to the extreme.

[Sugaree]

It's an analogy. They don't really mean an army of christians as this world understans an army to be.

That's not what God's Army is. It's more an army of recruits...

But what are kids going to do when they hear the word "army"? An army in today's standards are fighting people, like the United States Army. These children probably haven't reached the aged of reason to really fully contemplate an "army" of God.

[ThatDude93]

Well that is the purpose of the camp...hopefully they will get them to realize that before its too late.

[The Joker]

This is really sick, and they are really taking it over the top.

[Antares]

Yes, many people abuse christianity and take it to the extreme. Don't judge all christians though. I'm a christian but I would never take it this far.

Well how far would you take it?

It's an analogy. They don't really mean an army of christians as this world understans an army to be.

If the Pope (who is chosen by god to be a representative or whatever) called on "God's Army" to come and fight...say...the muslims or the Jews...would you do it?

[quartermaster]

If the Pope (who is chosen by god to be a representative or whatever) called on "God's Army" to come and fight...say...the muslims or the Jews...would you do it?

Why do you even waste time talking about religious matters if you are so ignorant of the Christianity? I mean, in all honesty, you are terminally ignorant of Christianity and don't care that you are ignorant, you just continue to spew out complete and utter nonsense.

Do you even know why you attack Christians as you do? I would assume you do not, due to your overwhelming ignorance.

First, you would know that the Pope is not accepted, let alone acknowledged in most Christian circles, only Catholics follow the Pope. There is quite a large difference between mainstream Christians and Catholics (have you never heard of the Protestant Reformation? Or are you just playing dumb?); mainstream Christians, or Protestants, do not accept the Pope as God's messenger on earth, but a man who was voted in as the leader of the Vatican.

In fact, many a Protestant would argue that a Pope is sacrilegious, in that one man, who is not the messiah, could never lead all Christians. The authority of the Pope as some "holy" messenger is not only unbiblical, but unaccepted by many Christians.

Even then, if the Pope were to call Catholics to take up arms, it is unlikely that most would, as many have access to the Bible and would understand that such a commandment is not of Christ. To be sure, some mindless sheep will, but unlike the time of the Crusades, most Christians today, now have access to the Bible to know that such a commandment is not Christian.

In any event, you've fully discredited yourself as not having even an ounce of knowledge of the religion that you so avidly detest.

[Camazotz]

Anything in extremes can get out of hand. Take these kids for example. They're minds have no experienced enough to form a logical, rational opinion. Instead, beliefs are thrust upon them by adult extremists who brain-wash them to do their bidding. How can anyone think that this is any different from an Islamic terrorist group?

[Sugaree]

Anything in extremes can get out of hand. Take these kids for example. They're minds have no experienced enough to form a logical, rational opinion. Instead, beliefs are thrust upon them by adult extremists who brain-wash them to do their bidding. How can anyone think that this is any different from an Islamic terrorist group?

It's because this is seen as "normal" Christian activity. Islamic terrorist groups are seen as evil because they don't follow the same religion as most of the people in this country. But it's not just people of religion, but rather everyone. People see Islamic terrorists as insane and evil, but it's their belief. There's no excuse for either Christian OR Islamic extremists.

[Antares]

Fuck. I lost my post and honestly, I don't feel like rewriting it. My points basically were, I misspoke and accidentally generalized all Christians as followers of the Pope but that was just an example. It could have been a preacher, pastor, father, bishop, whatever instead of pope and the question would have remained the same.
Of course I know what the Protestant Reformation is.
I like the truth, and I often question whether god actually exists but I don't attack Christians mindlessly because I hate them or whatever.
It is just because I don't agree and I fail to see hot it is real.

And i had some other things to say i think but i forgot.

[boy.on.laptop]

2NTRNZMHLbs

Its really hard to refrain from putting my opinion on this in this first post but!

Do you think this is christian extremism?

No I don't believe this is christianty, I personally believe that any christian that supports a president that causes two wars, that increases(or even continue the gross inbalance) income inequality and is prepared to support increasing of arms to the point of blind patrotism overcoming their faith is not a christian. Also the unblinding faith in Israel and hatred for palestine does not coinside with "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation", I agree that some support of Israel is needed but I agree with many(including some Jews) that Israel is treating the palestines to a degree that in the modern times of developed nations has only been surpassed (somewhat ironically) by the actions of Nazi Germany.

"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."Matthew 19:24.

In my view many of the christian right are not following the ways of the bible.
For the record I am a born again christian and I do support fellowship to Children I definetly DO NOT oppose the preaches and their efforts in introducing christianity to young people but the above is only in response to the comments made in the video about the supposed mothers views and that about the evangelical vote influencing elections.

[ThatDude93]

No I don't believe this is christianty, I personally believe that any christian that supports a president that causes two wars, that increases(or even continue the gross inbalance) income inequality and is prepared to support increasing of arms to the point of blind patrotism overcoming their faith is not a christian. Also the unblinding faith in Israel and hatred for palestine does not coinside with "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation", I agree that some support of Israel is needed but I agree with many(including some Jews) that Israel is treating the palestines to a degree that in the modern times of developed nations has only been surpassed (somewhat ironically) by the actions of Nazi Germany.

"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."Matthew 19:24.

In my view many of the christian right are not following the ways of the bible.
For the record I am a born again christian and I do support fellowship to Children I definetly DO NOT oppose the preaches and their efforts in introducing christianity to young people but the above is only in response to the comments made in the video about the supposed mothers views and that about the evangelical vote influencing elections.

I agree....Israel has done just as much, or more, wrong to the Palestinians, as Palestine has done to the Israelis. I wish they could both get along. But the two groups have been fighting for years and years and years, I don't think it will ever end.

[boy.on.laptop]

How can anyone think that this is any different from an Islamic terrorist group?

These kids are not being trained to attack civilians or run planes into buldings. I do admit these kids are more likely to support or join the army but thats about it, unless if you want to have an argument if American imperalism is on a par with Islamic terriost groups(which for the record I think is untrue) then I do disagree that this isn't different to an islamic terriost group.

[Sugaree]

These kids are not being trained to attack civilians or run planes into buldings. I do admit these kids are more likely to support or join the army but thats about it...

Even though they aren't being trained to fly planes into buildings, they'll be joining the army, who will teach them how to kill and fight. They'll be given guns and that is what I fear. The brainwashing will eventually become "normal" thinking to them, they join the army where they learn to fight because they're "patriots", and kill. I'm not saying that everyone who joins a military branch is like that, but these kids are certainly a concern.

[boy.on.laptop]

Even though they aren't being trained to fly planes into buildings, they'll be joining the army, who will teach them how to kill and fight. They'll be given guns and that is what I fear. The brainwashing will eventually become "normal" thinking to them, they join the army where they learn to fight because they're "patriots", and kill. I'm not saying that everyone who joins a military branch is like that, but these kids are certainly a concern.


I agree but unless you think American imperalism is on a par of islamic terroism then it is actually quite different to Islamic terror groups.

[Camazotz]

These kids are not being trained to attack civilians or run planes into buldings.

Yet. These kids are being brain-washed to blindly follow their leaders, just like the Nazis were in Germany, and just like Islamic terrorist group. It's a slippery slope from "I'm willing to die for Jesus" to "I will die in the name of Jesus."

[L]

argh... there not giving the kids any chance to think for themselves... its sad really.

[Sugaree]

argh... there not giving the kids any chance to think for themselves... its sad really.

Rule of Christian Extremists: Drill every little bit of God and Jesus into their tiny minds now, because if they discover the use of free will...God help us all.

[coodood]

I would really hate to meet one of these kids when they are grown up.

[Kahn]

Hell.. The sad thing is "They are being called up to be Gods army..." Do you realize how sad this is?

If I gave my life to Satan and praised peace would I be looked on as a heathen? These people are yelling "Yes for war!" yet, they look good because they are Christian or at least thats what they think... In the bible Jesus states that (And I am simplifying this) "When people take the lives of others for their God, and think it is right the end will near." Now I put that in my own words. It may not be true but I put it in my own words and what I got from it.

I find this repulsive. Utterly and unmistakably repulsive. How could parents stand around and let their children listen to this. A boy in the video said "I was saved around 5, because I wanted more to life". Well you can devote yourself to church but please realize the "enemy" or whatever they called them, is a different people. Do we need to stoop so low as to this to actually get people to support the war?

I find this as "Christian Extremism"

http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hl/hl-lets-roll.jpg

[Ripplemagne]

There's extremism on both sides. A religion isn't defined by its followers.

See? (http://ripplemagne.weebly.com/1/post/2009/10/atheistic-zeal.html)

[Hyper]

There's extremism on both sides. A religion isn't defined by its followers.

See? (http://ripplemagne.weebly.com/1/post/2009/10/atheistic-zeal.html)

That was a nice one, he was sincerely annoying me with his atheistic forum crusade.. Amazing how ignorant some people can be.. Not admitting defeat even if its landed on them more than twice. Hope I gave you rep for that ;P

Anyway mentioned this before about Jesus Camp, extremists.. They are everywhere and religion has nothing to do with it...

Take any ideology and someone will eventually twist it around into something terrible. Hey, go figure.

^

[Severus Snape]

Do you think this is christian extremism?
Not necessarily extremist in the fact that they haven't done crazy stuff (yet, the kids haven't grown up) but do you think this is over the top?
Christian belief and dogma is in itself extreme merely by its view of the world. I could write an entire dissertation on this but if nobody disagrees with me I would prefer to be brief.

What do you think are the effects of things like this?
To anyone who hasn't grown up in similar circumstances, I think mainstream Christians would call this eccentric, though the lines are beginning to blur as a growing number of Americans identify themselves as evangelicals and dissociate themselves with traditional congregations.

Do you think the kids are really caring about Jesus or just pretending for acceptance or whatever?
An 11 year old can't hope to comprehend the technicalities of the faith they express. There is much more to christianity than simply loving Jesus, as many Christians falsely believe, there is a deep understanding that needs to be made that transcends simple faith. It is this simple faith the makes many dumbed down versions of Christianity so easy to attack.

No, these kids can't possibly mean what they are saying because they cannot understand it. This is simply a mimic technique they use because all of the adults in their life they aspire to please praise them when they do this sort of thing.

[CaptainObvious]

There's extremism on both sides. A religion isn't defined by its followers.

See? (http://ripplemagne.weebly.com/1/post/2009/10/atheistic-zeal.html)

Wait, who is it defined by then, if not its followers? Religions are defined by those who believe them; not every single fundamentalist or extremist, no, but the preponderance of beliefs of a religion's adherents gives it form.

[Ripplemagne]

Wait, who is it defined by then, if not its followers? Religions are defined by those who believe them; not every single fundamentalist or extremist, no, but the preponderance of beliefs of a religion's adherents gives it form.


It's defined by the actual material. In Christianity's case, it's the Holy Bible. In the case of Islam, the Qu'ran. People warping the teachings of a religion doesn't mean that that's what the religion is about. Other factors that come into play are byproducts of the individual and not the religion.

[CaptainObvious]

It's defined by the actual material. In Christianity's case, it's the Holy Bible. In the case of Islam, the Qu'ran. People warping the teachings of a religion doesn't mean that that's what the religion is about. Other factors that come into play are byproducts of the individual and not the religion.

And who created those teachings? People who follow the religion.

No, not all people influence a religion, but as a matter of reality it seems to me slightly ridiculous to posit than the overall development of the beliefs of a religion is driven by other than its followers.

[Ripplemagne]

And who created those teachings? People who follow the religion.


Subjective.