should we be in Iraq?

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

should we be in Iraq? I think so and if you need i can explain do you agree or disagree?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i agree from the beginning

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

finally an unracist red blooded armerican!

[TheWizard]

lol we sdhould never have been there cause there were no WMD's.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

so i still think we are helping
there

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

it doesnt matter one fucking bit that there arent any wmds. we liberated a country from tyranny. BAM. there ya go.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

YA MAN fuck saddam, dictators and commies! (even though communism works good on paper but not in real life)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

communism has failed everywhere its ever been implemented.
failed.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

ya but it works well on PAPER but never in real life think about it money is spread out equally supposed to be good health care, work for greater good. It doesnt work wen ppl like phidel castro use it becasue they are greedy and take the money

[boognish]

its a good idea....bad action

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

eh. i dont think its a good idea. but bad action definetly. think about all the shit countries that use communism:

China, Soviet Union, N Korea, Cuba

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

ya becasue they were stupid ppl who stumbled upon communism as i sed it work on PAPER

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

it doesnt work anywhere. the whole idea of an equal society is preposterous. if you had aerospace engineers making the same amount of money as janitors, noone would work becuz it would be unfair. everything would collapse

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

ya but if pot was legal with communism ppl wouldnt care think about thr possinilites........... :banana: :biggrin:

[Whisper]

LMAO you guys r funny

[maximan]

Simply replying to the topic....No.

[Shaolin]

It should never have happened in the first place, all the justification to goto war wasn't credible evidence and if you call terrorist attacks daily helping then someone needs a dictionary.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

if yhour call terrorist attacks by the us whats going on then you need eyes

[Dante]

can we really say that communism failed, if there is some communist nations in the world today, which they have been communiust for a long time.


We shoudlnt be in iraq, there was no WMD, BUSH IS A LIAR, And he just wants oil. Then i hear ignorant republicans say that they attacked us, NEWS FLASH they didnt attcked us.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

less oil is being exported from that country now that they have experienced war, fool. if bush really wanted oil, we would have gone in and stolen their oil. canada has the biggest oil reserves in the world, why dont we steal from them? why dont we start drilling in alaska? the true answer is that we obviously didnt go to war for oil, thats ludicrous

[boognish]

why dont we start drilling in alaska? .....we are and bush wasnt after the oil. he was after revenge. i mean saddam tried to kill bush senior right?

[nwshc]

Well ya he did try but people are not getting the point here. Millions of Iraqis were being killed by this guy. He harbored terrorist and even killed his own people. Since we have gone to war, we have takin a big cunk out of the terrorist network and have freed millions of people from tyrany. Mabey some of the Iraqis dont like us. I feel sorry for them. But down the road they will be greatfull that now they can vote and have a say in the government without worrying that they will be beheaded.

[Whisper]

I have nothing to say, I've never seen such a blind follower, the fact that you belive in your goverment and support its actions is one thing I'd understand that but you don't even have any intrest in looking at both sides, at getting iformation from difrent sorces and making your own opinion.......This war, all the pain.....The death.....It's all nothing but a game to you.....

[nwshc]

Blind follower??? YOU LIVE IN CANADA!!! How would you know what goes on in the United States?? Your media up there is so anti- war anti-America and corupt. All they do is show you the mistakes we made and all of the destruction and shit. But no, never how we have made the world a safer place because of this war. BUT ITS WAR!!! People are going to die. Mistakes are going to be made.

[serial-thrilla]

yeah the americans have saddam now i think they should get out and let them be

[Kiros]

in short: yes

in long: maybe... it depends on what the current needs of the nation and furthermore international peace

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i also hate when people say bush lied. to say he lied, you have TO PROVE TO ME THAT HE KNEW (AS WELL AS THE REST OF CONGRESS) THAT THERE WERE NO WMDS, AND SAID THERE WERE ANYWAYS. you can never prove that, because its bullshit. in a few days some commission that was organized to find out where our intelligence went wrong is releasing a beefy report saying which government agencies said there were wmds, which said there werent, who was at fault, and so forth. its not like bush went up on stage and was like i know there arent wmds, but im going to say there are anyways! its more like the cia and nsa TOLD HIM THERE WERE, SO HE HAD ALL THE REASON IN THE WORLD TO AGREE WITH THEM

[Shaolin]

eh. i dont think its a good idea. but bad action definetly. think about all the shit countries that use communism:

China, Soviet Union, N Korea, Cuba

Egocentralisation is very childish. None of those countries are any more shit than the one you live in.

[Shaolin]

I think the war in Iraq was completly pointless, from the start.

Why?

Firstly, Iraq posed no threat to the United States of America. As in Missiles and Nuclear tecnoledgy, the worst they had were those mamoud mk 3 missiles, whatever their called, and even then, those barely reached neighbouring countries.

Saddam funding terrorists? Shock horror, there are people in the US that fund terrorists!

Also, why is it OK for the United States to have Nuclear Missiles, and other countries not? WHat makes the USA morraly supreme? Bullshit if you ask me.

As far as WMD are concerned, Iraq was allowing UN inspectors in, and yes some Iraqis were skeptical and secretive. Im not surprised. People speaking foreign languages and checking under my toilet for C4 would piss me off.

To free the Iraqi people? - Oh come on!!! Thats a SHIT argument, there are many many countries with dictators that are opresing some parts of their population, Why Iraq first? Why not Cuba? Or NK? etc

Infact North Korea posed more of a threat to the US than Iraq, Iraq posed no threat, whatsoever. Why did the USA attack Iraq.

Oh and when i say USA i mean the 'Coalition' - I don't agree with why British Soldiers are there, but ill lump them under the USA, because usually our countries miliatary are doing worthwhile campaigns.

To free the Iraqi People - Oh well, yeah they have freedom. They also have daily terrorist attacks, burnt down houses, dead relatives.......

HalliBurton? Why do they have the contract for oil pumping...Afterall Bush is closeley associated with them and they had secured the deal before it was even reported that there would be one!

I wont give you a bunch of conspiracy theories, as im sure everyones heard them all before, oil, platform in Middle east etc...

However the War is unjusftified and if you support it, seriously get some insight and take an IQ test.

Because your fucking stupid if you do, by supporting the war in iraq you support the deaths of soldiers and civillians, and the rapes and crimes commited there!

[Shaolin]

Well ya he did try but people are not getting the point here. Millions of Iraqis were being killed by this guy. He harbored terrorist and even killed his own people. Since we have gone to war, we have takin a big cunk out of the terrorist network and have freed millions of people from tyrany. Mabey some of the Iraqis dont like us. I feel sorry for them. But down the road they will be greatfull that now they can vote and have a say in the government without worrying that they will be beheaded. Now if you are telling me that we shouldnt have gottin involved PLEASE say something because i would love to counter that. 8)

Ok i'll counter your terrible argument.

- Millions of Iraqis were being killed by this guy - Hmmm, if you add the statistics of casulties from the Iraq war it tops the statistics of the people Saddam killed. Add Afghan to the list..and ha!

Saddam was a bad bad man, yes thats right! He was a very bad man. He killed alot of people. But there were and are many more dictators much more worse and killing more people than him. Harbored terrorists - So does the US and just about every country on this planet!

Terrorism - Iraq is now linked with terrorism, yes the fear tactics and propaganda have definatly taken root in your mind now. Everytime you hear the word "Iraq" words like - OSAMA, TERRORIST, EVIL, BOMB might pop up in your mind....

Terrorism is not a national organisation, it's not official. It is not a vast cell of underground networks that can be readily tracked. Terrorists cannot be accounted for or statistics drawn up on how many there are, because it is simply an underground phenemon, as in some people will be terorrists on their own, and not tell anyone, or others will join groups etc Most terrorism cannot be counted. Every bin laden you kill 100 more will popup. Terrorism is basically a group of extremists who are against government policy. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

I think by INVADING Iraq, blowing up markets and killing thousands. Causing alot of collatoral damage. The only real terrorism here is President Bushs work.

[nwshc]

Ok, smart one, give me those statistics. I want to see the numbers of people that Saddam has killed and the number of soldiers, terrorists, and people killed since the begining of the Iraq war. There is no possable way that they are the same. No way. Let me guess... Did you see Farenhight 911 too? You people that you opposed the war are just jelous, since we are making progress now( ie getting water/electricity back to families, catching Saddam) you cant stand the fact that we are winning. You cant stand it that the whole plan didnt blow to shit. I could go on more, but i have to go to school now.

[Shaolin]

Yes, but the whole reasoning behind the war was faulty to begin with.

Countries like the USA and UK are expected to defend international security. That is true. Yet there are many dictated countries that were more of a threat, a much larger threat than the one Iraq was.

It doesn't matter about the progress in Iraq, people have died and much damage to their society has taken place. How excellent that the US is attempting (not as you over emphasize) to rebuild Iraq. But before hte war there weer NOT daily skirmishs, terrorist suicide attacks on their OWN people, looting, dead children.

Is that justified?

Do you not remember the press. The US Gvt made it appear to be a huge alarming threat coming from Iraq, using words like terrorism, and weapons of MASS! DESTRUCTION! SHOCK HORROR!

In reality, and in the evidence they had from UN weapons inspectors, Iraq has no capabilitity to build (or possess) a weapon of mass destruction.

The US has thousands of nuclear missiles, what makes this justified?

Are you so childish as to glorify war? War should never take place, only in the most dire situations is war ever used.

How do you think Americans would feel if another country was threatning war on them if they didn't give up their Nuclear Weapons, used to protect their country. You didn't think about that did you. Iraq had no 'beef' with the US, infact the US was supplying biochemical weapons to Iraq only 10 years before they invaded Kuwait. Was Kuwait the USA? No. That war was completly justified, the US came i as a hero and protected the underdog, but invading another country is not protecting the under dog, most Iraqis supported Saddam and the batth party.

Cultures are not all the same!

[Anonymous]

THe ones saying the war was wrong, are you meaning you didn't care about these ppl being killed for pointless reasons? For disagreeing with a higher ranking it's ok to get our head chopped off....man I mean I know my name says PeaceKeeper, but sometimes peace comes with pain....we had to help these ppl, I mean it was horrible, I know we are losing Americans, but you know all in the end (sorry If I getting religous) you do end up in a better place right?

[Shaolin]

Yes it's true that in some circumstances, military force to help protect people is important and can cost lives.

Germany invaded Poland, and we declared war on them. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, the US declared war on them. These were justified, there was IMMEDIATE danger, something had to happen as soon as possible to try and fight back the impending invasion. These wars were justified as there was immediate threat to the countries involves.

Was Iraq building up an invasion force to take over America? NO! Did we have any evidence that they had WMD or any weapons that could target them, NO! Did we have a justified reason, such as they had blown up one of our national landmarks? No?!

Check the reasoning behind the war, because none of this bullshit needed to take place in the first place. Saddam harmed some of his people? Yes thats true, but so did many other countries to a much larger extent, why not attack them?

Why attack anyone unless they attack you first?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

do any of you people watch the news, or do you all just live under rocks.

If any of you care about anything, youd have probably noticed the commission report from the us governet that outlines where all the intelligence agencies faulted up, why they got it wrong, and how they're going to be fixed.

we had every reason to believe there was this massive threat, because a lot of the agencies in our government told bush, told the citizens of our country that there was. it was a mistake, it was an accident, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. get over it, intellince isnt perfect

[Shaolin]

No my friend, it is you who lives under a rock of propaganda. The US news is FULL of black propaganda.

You just have to look at Bush. He links words with other words, Terrorism links with SADDAM with other words that catch your attention and scare you into submission, like MASS DESTRUCTION....SHOCK AND AWE! hahah!

Intelligence is never perfect, but the US shouldn't have acted. "Oh it was an accident" is no excuse for a War and subsequently the deaths of thousands.

I guess it would have been Ok for Goebells to say "Oh it was an accident, the intelligence was wrong, the jews are not inferior" and could just walk out of the Nuremburg trials without getting his neck broken?

Face it! Your being fed bullshit through the media and your just another victim of propaganda.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

face it, you live in england and your news sources are propaganda and biased, fool. prove to me they are lying, then i will believe you. until then, fu

[Shaolin]

face it, you live in england and your news sources are propaganda and biased, fool. prove to me they are lying, then i will believe you. until then, fu

I never said my New sources aren't biased, but hte BBC has a public obligation to be unbiased and fair in broadcasting, aswell as it being the first new channel in the world.

Looks like the government in the US are playing the blame game.

Going foreward on a mission which was based on faulty intelligence from the start was an extremly stupid idea. Also the reasoning behind the justification whilst even using the faulty intelligence was pathetic. "Saddam is bad" "There are WMD" - So what, we've known for decades that Russia has nuclear weapons, North Korea has nuclear weapons. They both were run by bad men. Cuba is ran by a 'bad man' who opresses his people, why not blow the shit out of cuba?

There was no reason for the war in the first place, it should never have taken place.

Why should anyone prove Bush wasn't lieing, it the US's job to show he was telling the truth.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

the bbc has no more obligation to be unbiased than every other news source on earth. the government is blaming themselves so wahts your point? we werent going on a mission with faulty intelligence because at the time noone knew it was faulty. think about it, right when we went to war, who opposed it because of "faulty intelligence"? noone. besides, only 87 people from the uk have been killed. wow 87 people who were fighting for there country. i dont see the prob. your country is in this too, so i dont see why yuou complain about the us all the time. your country has faulty mI6 also, take a look at the butler report, which was grosely understated anyways. listen, we and the coalition with us had reason to believe that our country was in danger. the intelligence turned out to be bad. people criticize and bitch all the time. what do you think would happen if we DIDNT go because of our suspected faulty intelligence, and then all of a sudden 19 million people die beacuse of a nuclear bomb on new york. its a guessing game with risks involved, and if there is even the SLIGHTEST CHANCE of unreliable data that even SUGGESTS a country is in danger, that country has to act or lose. over the war's course of 2 years, there is an estimated 11000 casualties. thats roughly 15 people a day who have died because of the war. NOW think about it this way. every day in the world, 155,000 people die. tack on an extra 15 people a day, and its so marginally it doesnt even mean anything. only good things have come from the war. barely anyone died, and now another nation in the world gets to experience the joys of freedom.

Go USA. Go Freedom.
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Ok im spent. America is the best, free, and most militarily powerful body of peoples who ever strode the face of earth. i fell sorry to all the people who dont live here :(

[Whisper]

I am extremly happy that I don't live in the US!!
I'm Canadian and proud of it!!!!!
The funny thing is there are only 2 countries I really have a problem with, Russia and the United States. I'm not saying there isn't countries with severe problems but thats not there fault its famine, dieses, lack of money, etc..I'm very proud to know that my country is doing what it can to help them with food, shelter, medical supplys, and peace instead of killing them, ceasing there entire country by force, droping bombs destroying what little they have and then tossing a lil food out thinking there saving these people.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

canada is our friendly neighbor to the north with cheap prescription drugs :D

[Shaolin]

Cosmos your just too childish and immature to understand that War is not glorious, and no matter how many people die it doesn't matter, 1 is too many.

As i said, even on the intelligence they based the war on, it wasn't enough. There was no intelligence to show how Iraq could launch an attack on the US with any missile capabilities that could reach US soil.

And the comments about US being the best and what not are just usual bigottery, im used to that. The US culture is infact very flat and linial, you won't find that in other countries, 10 Mcdonalds on the same street.

I don't think the US is worse or any better than any country. I don't think of countries like that, because that's how a 10 year old thinks, rating countries by their military.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

foolish

wrong

false

liar

[nwshc]

[quote="Shaolin"]No my friend, it is you who lives under a rock of propaganda. The US news is FULL of black propaganda.[quote]
The only people that are fed propaganda are the people that read the new youk times, the la times, and some newws stations. We, however, are not overwelmed with pompus asses that only wants their veiws herd and no one elses, unlike you people over there in England and Canada. Just take a hard look.
Wo, wo, wo. There arnt 10 McDonalds on every street. Thats Starbucks and Dunkin Dougnuts!! :D

[Shaolin]

Ha your funny, America is far more fake, plastic and propaganda filled.

Fox news is BLATENTLY biased, we don't even have news stations that are anywhere near as biased as that.

Every country has its propaganda, atleast in our country it's discreet. In the US it's blatent black propaganda. Ie Saddam has links with Al Quedia, Shock and Awe.

Infact your leaders blatently lie all the time "I did not have a relationship with that woman!".

If i were to be as prejudiced as cosmos, i would say half your country is a bunch of hillybilly hicks who shoot first and ask quesitons later. Excellent work there on the guncrime.

Also all your countries culture is based on is commercialised industry. Unlike England and Europe which actually have a history to our culture, your country is only 200 years old. Like a premature baby with alot of cash.

[nwshc]

Your just jelous that England and Europe have been around for ever and have far less than America who is "just a baby".

[Shaolin]

How can you say Fox news isn't biased? I feel sorry for you, you can't see through the lies.

Don't you see the way fox news is presented, its not really News it's like a video tabloid.

And notice how i wrote "If i were to be as prejudiced as cosmos"

[serial-thrilla]

I am extremly happy that I don't live in the US!!
I'm Canadian and proud of it!!!!!
The funny thing is there are only 2 countries I really have a problem with, Russia and the United States. I'm not saying there isn't countries with severe problems but thats not there fault its famine, dieses, lack of money, etc..I'm very proud to know that my country is doing what it can to help them with food, shelter, medical supplys, and peace instead of killing them, ceasing there entire country by force, droping bombs destroying what little they have and then tossing a lil food out thinking there saving these people. amen brother, although i have nothing wrong with the U.S i think bush is out of his mind

[Shaolin]

I find it funny how American Presidents think they are upholding peace in the world and protecting national security when the US has had over 50 wars in the last century

That...is an atrocity. Sure you can uphold peace with force, but using force is not peaceful. Also it almost always ends in death, death is not peace.

Thousands of peoples lives have been ruined by the US foreign policy, many countries have been undermined.

I can't believe how any of you can support the War in Iraq, Logic says it's wrong.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Your just jelous that England and Europe have been around for ever and have far less than America who is "just a baby". You realy have no idea of what your talking about do you??? When you post, get your facts strait. Fox news biased?? You wish

that was beautiful. wow shaolin shut the fuck up, how do you even watch fox news over in the uk? what makes you think i watch fox? oh wait, thats right, fox blows! i watch cnn, the most accredited international news agency ever. its like the bbc on steroids. and we all know how propaganda filled free press can be (idiot). you could say half of my country is hillbilly hicks, but then i could turn around and say our country is the richest and most powerful hillbilly hicks ever to exist. and yes, we are only 200 years old. isnt it funny how a 200 year old country can become most powerful in the world, so much more so than britain which has been around for ages longer? and while thousands of lives may have been ruined by us foreign diplomacy, thousands of lives have been ruined by british foreign diplomacy as well (did you forget your fighting in the same war we are?) and id like you to list out the FIFTY+ wars you claim weve had.

while thousands of lives may have been ruined, a country full of 25 million people (minus a thousand) now has freedom, liberty, and the right to vote.

if you dont think thousands of lives ruined is justification for bringing freedom to 25 million people in the middle east, your evil

[Shaolin]

If you think Bombing them and destroying their lives is the way to peace then your evil.

If you think your country had any reason to BUTT in on their affairs your wrong.

There was no good justification behind the war.

As for the US becoming the most powerful, you forget that Britain used to control about half the globe....We were extremly powerful and dominent in the world for a much longer time than the US has been, we are also still a well known and trusted country.

Our economy is far better than the US economy. We have 60 million people living here, and our currency is stronger than the US dollars.

[boognish]

I find it funny how American Presidents think they are upholding peace in the world and protecting national security when the US has had over 50 wars in the last century

That...is an atrocity. Sure you can uphold peace with force, but using force is not peaceful. Also it almost always ends in death, death is not peace.

Thousands of peoples lives have been ruined by the US foreign policy, many countries have been undermined.

I can't believe how any of you can support the War in Iraq, Logic says it's wrong. now, shaolin, you've had your facts straight for some time now....but not here. technically there have only been i think 2 or 3 wars involving the us. one was the civil war...and the other 2 were protecting the european nations. the 50 "wars" well wrong. there were barely 20 "wars" plus none were on our soil, and most were us trying to help our allies. and i agree fox is biased, but it is the least biased. cnn and nbs ect are way more biased then fox

[nwshc]

Cnn and nbc are far more biased than Fox, but i have to admit Fox does have its flaws. O'rielly says he is an Independent, but anyone can tell that he is a Republican.
Yes you are true, England did control a lot of the world. BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO IT ALL??? In the revolutionary war, the most powerful army in the world couldnt even beat some little farmers in the US. And even in the War of 1812 when we were still disorganized and had no idea of what we were doing, YOU STILL COULDNT DEFEAT US!!( evven tough it ended up in a draw of sorts). And what happened to everything else??? GONE. And if it wasnt for us, England wouldnt even be around. You would be controled by the Nazis. Just remember that when you critisize us. :evil: