Goth

[AJay]

I'm thinking about joining the gothic subculture. I already have the personality. I've just been holding it back so I could blend in with others. But that is no longer my desire.

Anyone have any tips on how I could make the final switch over?

[Wonder.]

What exactly do you mean by gothic? People have different views on what goth and gothic means.

[Sugaree]

I think you have it mixed. Gothic is related for to a medeviel style, at least that is how I see it. Goth is just a new word for "emo". I mean, if you feel that you're blending in, then you could do something else. Goths are made a laughing stock in my area. Half the teens in my town are goths and say it's to "express themselves". No doubt it's expression, but it really makes you look like some depressed maniac. There might be other ways to not blend in with the crowd like you've said. Ever try something else?

[The Batman]

Be yourself wear what you like and act how you want. Don't join a subculture to fit into another group of people just be you.

[Mr. Smithers]

Blend in with others. Pssh.

Goth and Gothic are two different things by the way.

[Antares]

Matt, I don't think you understand.

Goth and emo are two different things.
Goth or gothic fashion/subculture/whatever is something near this:
http://www.sheimagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Goth-kids.jpg

while emo is this:
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/emo.jpg


If you want to be goth, have a bad attitude and wear lots of black...a little blunt but...pretty true imo



also, im moving this to fashion

[Zero Beat]

http://www.sheimagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Goth-kids.jpg

They just look scary.



Goth fashion and emo fashion are very different. In goth fashion, aside from hair color, you see very little color that isn't black. [Unless you're dealing with raver-goths or glitter-goths, as they tend to like color, and lots of it. Yet they still retain their goth edge. How? It's one of the mysteries of the universe.] As with everything, this can vary, but here's some basic goth fashion:

Black. Black shirts, pants, vests, sweaters, ties, dresses, skirts, band t-shirts, socks, shoes, fishnets... BLACK. Combat boots. Black eyeliner. Black nail polish. Black lipstick. Usually, color will fit into the mix in the form of: striped stockings [black and a color], hair dye, or eyeshadow. That's about it.
Goth people tend to be more fancy than emo people. Think: lace, frills, bows, dangling jewelry, leather chokers, corsets.... It's more gypsy, more Victorian, and more "classy," overall.


http://www.shoutmouth.com/newsphotos/Image/11485535751098112661_areyouGoth[1].jpg <- Goth.

[-Silence]

Half the teens in my town are goths and say it's to "express themselves".

I dont know what you town is like but here, they dont talk to "outsiders" unless its a "fuck you".

Seriously dude, just be who you are. If you stretch yourself to fit into this they are just going to throw you out. They dont fit in so you trying to is going to tick them off.

[Wonder.]

Let me explain... (Probably worse than the rest of the people.)

I have been called goth everyday ever since I started showing who I really am. It's a bad stereotype, and everyone has a different view on what it means. I, personally, believe it's someone who shows their religion but in a darker manor. Most people believe a goth person is someone who dresses in all black and is automatically atheist. I want to tell you what it looks like from my thought of the definition of goth.

First of all, what religion do you believe in? If you are christian, wear crosses every once and a while. Wear things that show that you beleve in god. If you are athiest, dress in thing that show you don't believe in god. You don't have to wear a shirt that says in huge letters "There is no god" but do something that shows it.

Generally, goth people wear black and dark purple and dark blue and dark gray and blood red. Wearing things like black skinny jeans, tripp pants (which I love), heavy metal band tee shirts, striped shirts and converse. Also including skulls. They tend to wear thick eyeliner(M and F) and very dark eyeshadow(F). Painting their nails black(M and F), and dark colored lipstick(F). They wear many chains and spikes, and sometimes have scary or weird looking tattoos. They have many piercings, mostly on their lip, nose, or gauged ears. They are also rather pale.

A good place to find goth and emo clothing is my favorite store, Hot Topic (www.hottopic.com). Note that Hot Topic is mostly for music lovers but carry what you are looking for.

I personally believe you shouldn't put yourself into a stereotype. I don't really think about them because it's like saying people who like sports will become famous and people who like screamo music will burn in hell. Niether have a big chance. Stereotypes are wrong and can hurt people. Remember all of this when you put yourself into the world like this and be prepared for a lot of people saying negative things about you.

[Sugaree]

Matt, I don't think you understand.

Goth and emo are two different things.
Goth or gothic fashion/subculture/whatever is something near this:
http://www.sheimagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Goth-kids.jpg

For a second there, I actually thought that the guy on the left was Professor Snape. To be honest, they look the same to me. I just don't get as to why people would prefer something like this as expression. Sure, I respect it, but I do believe there are slightly better forms of expression other than...this.

[YesterdaysNews]

I think you have it mixed. Gothic is related for to a medeviel style, at least that is how I see it. Goth is just a new word for "emo". I mean, if you feel that you're blending in, then you could do something else. Goths are made a laughing stock in my area. Half the teens in my town are goths and say it's to "express themselves". No doubt it's expression, but it really makes you look like some depressed maniac. There might be other ways to not blend in with the crowd like you've said. Ever try something else?

If I'm not mistaken, goth was a trend/fashion/subculture before emo was.
and they are VERY different.


Vampirefreaks.com is a website you might want to check out if you want to be "goth" but like others said, if you just suddenly dye your hair, wear cargo pants with chains and have a bleak outlook on life, people will call you a poser. Just be yourself.

[CharcoalHeadphone]

at my school, the kids who dress in what loosely fits into "goth" arent dark and brooding, theyre very outgoing. however, they are socialy ass backwards. by which i mean, incredibly dorky, obsesed with anime, awkward, listen to screamo, act somewhat imature.

[CharcoalHeadphone]

not that theres anything wrong with anime btw just keep stuff in proportion

[Asylum]

be urself hun

[Sunshine Girl]

well if you want just go to hottopic and have one giant shopping spree :)

[Alexandre]

man, just one thing... if u find a person dressing black clothes, and this person usually is crying and things like this, the person is EMO and not gothic ¬¬

[Alexandre]

emo and ghothic aren't the same thing for those who say that "it's just a new word for EMO" ¬¬
emos are gay and cry all the time, and gothic is like a style for who likes extreme genres of music, like death metal, and not like those emos that are ever crying and trying to cut their wrist ¬¬

[DayBreakArt]

emo and ghothic aren't the same thing for those who say that "it's just a new word for EMO" ¬¬
emos are gay and cry all the time, and gothic is like a style for who likes extreme genres of music, like death metal, and not like those emos that are ever crying and trying to cut their wrist ¬¬

Okay. First of all. Thank you for pointing out the stereotype for emo. Emo doesn't mean "lets go slice our wrists" or "I hate the world". Emo has faded into a fashion trend. And when people are harming themselves it means phycological problem, not emo. Emo no longer has an attitude or w/e that goes with it. It's simply just another trend that will fade in a few years.

Back to this goth thing. Be yourself. People will call you a poseur if you come looking "goth" randomly one day. If you like wearing black, wear black. If you dont like wearing eye make up then dont wear eye makeup. I believe all alternative styles are about what you like. Heck! Yesterday I wore hand cuffs on my belt loops to school. But the day before I was wearing a bright pink shirt! Its all about what you like, and who you are. Never forget that. (:

[Mental]

I had two goth friends in school, and to be honest, it's really about what you want. But they were into heavy metal music, wore black heavy metal band t-shirts, black skinny jeans, black boots, etc.

I'm sure you're aware of the discrimination that many people have with goths/emos, though. There's always a person or group that will pick on goths/emos/people who look like either. But if it really is yourself, then you should have nothing to be ashamed of.

[javs26]

people give me shit for being "emo" even tho i dont cut but thats the number 2 question i get "do you cut?" im just like, idk could a person who cuts do this? and then i hit them in the ear with my wrists... hehehe, but no one really tries to beat on me or anything cus my friend roman is a goth and hes a big motha fucka and he can seriously pick someone up and throw them over the table... (he threw me maybe once or twice) but it was fun

[danielg]

The Mausoleum of Theodoric in Ravenna.

The Goths (Gothic: ������������ *Gutans[citation needed]) were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe. The historian Jordanes claimed that the Goths arrived from semi-legendary Scandza, believed to be somewhere in modern Götaland (Sweden), and that a Gothic population had crossed the Baltic Sea before the 2nd century, lending their name to the region of Gothiscandza, believed to be the lower Vistula region in modern Pomerelia (Poland). The archaeological Wielbark (Willenberg) culture is associated with the arrival of the Goths and their subsequent agglomeration with the indigenous population. But the reliability of Jordanes, who wrote in the 6th century, is disputed,[1] and there is also no archaeological evidence for a substantial emigration from Scandinavia.[2]

From the mid-second century onward, groups of Goths started migrating to the southeast along the River Vistula,[citation needed] reaching Scythia at the coast of the Black Sea in modern Ukraine where they left their archaeological traces in the Chernyakhov culture.

Throughout the 3rd and 4th centuries, the Scythian Goths were divided into at least two distinct entities, the Thervingi and the Greuthungi, divided by the Dniester River. They repeatedly harried the Roman Empire during the Gothic Wars and later adopted Arianism. In the late 4th century, the Huns invaded the Gothic region from the east. While many Goths were subdued and integrated into the Hunnic Empire, others were pushed towards the Roman Empire.

The Goths were converted to Christianity by the Arian (half-) Gothic missionary, Wulfila, who then found it necessary to leave Gothic country for Moesia, (modern Serbia, Bulgaria) with his congregation, where he translated the Bible into Gothic, devising a script for this purpose.

In the 5th and 6th centuries, they became divided as the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths, who established powerful successor-states of the Western Roman Empire in the Iberian peninsula and Italy. In Italy, the Ostrogothic Kingdom established by Theodoric the Great was defeated by the forces of the Eastern Roman Empire after the Gothic Wars. In Hispania, the Visigoths, converted to Catholicism by late sixth century, would survive until the early eighth century, when it fell to Islam after the Muslim conquest.

The Gothic language and culture disappeared except for fragments in other cultures.

Do you mean this type of goth? lol i say grab a sword and shield and pull on your leather and mail armor

[INFERNO]

"Goth" is such a diluted term it's somewhat meaningless especially in mainstream fashion while "gothic" is less diluted but not the same as goth. Does one need to wear black to be considered goth and have pale skin with dark make-up? No. Does doing so usually get you a label of goth or at least "emo"? Yes.

I'm not entirely sure what the "true definition" of goth is so I'll simply give an example of what I wear that sometimes gets me the label of goth or gothic. Bare in mind, people generally don't know the difference and so they may be clueless in the first place. Brown to black hiking boots, dark pants, brown to black hair (natural colour), dark shirt perhaps with a design on it and a basic fall or spring jacket, or a dark sweater if not too cold. In university, beige to dark pants, black waist-length leather jacket with short black fur around the neck or dark sweater, t-shirt with blue, white and black flames and a silver chain. Never once did I wear make-up or any nail polish. Sometimes I wore button-up short-sleeve t-shirts, other times it was a basic t-shirt (white, blue, etc...), army shirts or pants, etc... . Point is, both were different yet both considered "goth". What remained the same was my personality. So, do you need to wear dark or black clothing to be considered by the general society as "goth"? Perhaps but wear what YOU want. In university, I've been asked what is my fashion sense and I haven't a clue, I wear what I like, sometimes it's darker-coloured, other times it's not.

Moral of the story: do what is natural, if you do a sudden change, people are going to be caught off-guard and you may not only be fooling them but also yourself.

[mrct]

Wear black i guess. But what makes you wanan be 'goth'?

[Doll]

If you're going to 'make the change' or whatever, do it gradually. If you just walk in one day in full-fledged "goth" then people are just gonna go, "Wtf? Poser." So maybe slowly start wearing darker clothes, and the do make-up or whatever, then your hair, etc.

[Hatsune Miku]

Just wear what you think looks good on you. If you purposely try to fit into the goth look then you're a poser, and posers are bad. But if you really want to. For me, goth is a toned down version of gothic. Alot less chains and shit like that.

For example, this sexy beast right here could be called goth:

http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad333/zeldas121212/matt.jpg?t=1266692589

And this is just weird

http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/goth-emo.jpg

Basically, if you want to look goth.

Spiked collar
Silver studded bracelet
Long black hair
Highlights never hurt
Band tees

And you're all set