CANADIANS! About your healthcare....

[Antares]

Do you hate it?
Does it take forever?
Do people die?

[CaptainObvious]

Do you hate it?
Does it take forever?
Do people die?

No, no, and no. (Well, of course people die, people always die, but not because of some inherent flaw in the system as you seem to be asking)

In fact, when it comes to daily healthcare matters I have more personal autonomy in Canada than I do with my very good American insurance here.

[CanadaRocksEH]

I love it, it helps ppl without money get medical help. no one is turned away (WE DO NOT HAVE "Death Panels")

depending on what is wrong can depend on how long it can take. We have both public and private healthcare here. So you can go public which does take a little longer, but if you need it quicker you just go to a private clinic. I wrecked my hands and got right in and fixed up in a public hospital. while my cousin blew out his knee and would of taken 6 months to get everything done so they went to a private clinic and got it fixed up quicker. so the mix of private and public healthcare works really well. it isnt as long as ppl say it is

well id be lying if i said ppl didnt. sometimes the little extra wait does make it too long for some ppl. But ppl in the US also die because they do not have the money to get a certain procedure done.

[Sage]

No, no, and no. (Well, of course people die, people always die, but not because of some inherent flaw in the system as you seem to be asking)

No. Nobody ever dies. Ever.

[CaptainObvious]

No. Nobody ever dies. Ever.

Don't tell everyone the secret of our awesomeness! :(

[Sage]

Don't tell everyone the secret of our awesomeness! :(

It's not like anyone lives 50 miles north of the border anyway. We have room. :rolleyes:

[Antares]

Okay, so this thread was basically to finally crush all of comments like these:
I don't get the Canadian health care system as it is right now either...all I hear are bad things about it. At least here you don't get turned down and put on year long waiting lists. Ever wonder why so many Canadians and even Brits come to America for health care?So I have heard numerous numerous statements like these from people in the United States but they have no basis because usually no one EVER gets their information from the people directly.

That is why I wanted to create a thread in which the numerous number of Canadians tell us about their system.

So please, Canadians, please enlighten the American people:

Do you prefer your system over the American system of buy health insurance and still have to pay a lot of money, yet you get pretty nice care...eventhough it costs a lot and most people can't afford simple medications?

Do you think that the opinions of the Canadian system is misconstrued based on what you see around the forums and in reports from the Americans?

Do you also think that your system is in a good place that it will be around for a really long time?

[quartermaster]

Okay, so this thread was basically to finally crush all of comments like these:


So I have heard numerous numerous statements like these from people in the United States but they have no basis because usually no one EVER gets their information from the people directly.

That is why I wanted to create a thread in which the numerous number of Canadians tell us about their system.

So please, Canadians, please enlighten the American people:

Do you prefer your system over the American system of buy health insurance and still have to pay a lot of money, yet you get pretty nice care...eventhough it costs a lot and most people can't afford simple medications?

Do you think that the opinions of the Canadian system is misconstrued based on what you see around the forums and in reports from the Americans?

Do you also think that your system is in a good place that it will be around for a really long time?

Given this thread, I assume you would admit to never having taken a statistics course.

[Antares]

Fortunately, I have taken a statistics course, so please get on to your point

[Sage]

Do you prefer your system over the American system of buy health insurance and still have to pay a lot of money, yet you get pretty nice care...eventhough it costs a lot and most people can't afford simple medications?

When you describe it like that, I would definitely prefer the Canadian system and would be an idiot not to. Although I can't say that all too matter-of-factly, as I've never lived in the states nor experienced their healthcare system first hand.

Do you think that the opinions of the Canadian system is misconstrued based on what you see around the forums and in reports from the Americans?

I guess. There's bias on both sides, though- Liberals will make the american system seem like hell, and conservatives will insist it's the best on earth. Those are from the far ends of both spectrums, though, don't go lecture me on how non-radical you all are. I get it.

Do you also think that your system is in a good place that it will be around for a really long time?

Canadian politics are pretty much set up so that things stay relatively stable and we, the public, don't need to get too riled up over anything. It makes things dull, sure, but stability in this case isn't necessarily a bad thing. We won't fix what isn't broken.

[theOperaGhost]

Okay, so this thread was basically to finally crush all of comments like these:
So I have heard numerous numerous statements like these from people in the United States but they have no basis because usually no one EVER gets their information from the people directly.



John...I have many, many relatives and friends up in Canada who hate everything about Canada's health care system except the fact that it's free. All I've ever heard from Canadians that I actually know are complaints. So don't say that I NEVER get my information from the people directly, because I can't really get more direct.

[Whisper]

I love our system.
If anything the only real issues I have is the ever increasing pressure in Canada to have a larger private sector because were so close to the states
That pisses me off

[quartermaster]

Fortunately, I have taken a statistics course, so please get on to your point

Perhaps a hasty assumption on my end, but, it does not change the implications of this comment:


Okay, so this thread was basically to finally crush all of comments like these: [regarding Canadian health care system]

Being that you did take a statistics course, surely you know that such a small sample size cannot prove yourself right, nor "crush" any arguments similar to the one you have posted. Not to mention, this is convenience sampling and by no means attempts to establish an SRS etc. etc. Personal experiences, on both ends, cannot prove or disprove a point, so despite what any Canadian in here may say, it is fairly irrelevant given how statistics works, which, of course, you know.

That, is my point, my friend.

Edit: of course, this is not an argument for/ against Canada's health care system, but more of an attack on the premise of this entire thread, as it were.

[Antares]

Perhaps a hasty assumption on my end, but, it does not change the implications of this comment:



Being that you did take a statistics course, surely you know that such a small sample size cannot prove yourself right, nor "crush" any arguments similar to the one you have posted. Not to mention, this is convenience sampling and by no means attempts to establish an SRS etc. etc. Personal experiences, on both ends, cannot prove or disprove a point, so despite what any Canadian in here may say, it is fairly irrelevant given how statistics works, which, of course, you know.

That, is my point, my friend.

Edit: of course, this is not an argument for/ against Canada's health care system, but more of an attack on the premise of this entire thread, as it were.

Of course, I completely agree. This thread on this site is definitely not the best refection of the Canada as a whole but at least it is one.

It is much better than the people on here complaining about how Canada and the UKs systems are horrible ineffiecient their people hate it yaddy yaddy ya when the Americans mostly that are saying this have no idea how Canadians really feel.

The purpose of this thread is to basically prove the point that people like it. And so far, my point has been proved.

[CaptainObvious]

John...I have many, many relatives and friends up in Canada who hate everything about Canada's health care system except the fact that it's free. All I've ever heard from Canadians that I actually know are complaints. So don't say that I NEVER get my information from the people directly, because I can't really get more direct.

Let's hear their specific complaints then. No system is perfect by any means, but you must have a lot of complaint-prone friends and relatives given the statistical satisfaction of most Canadians with the healthcare system.

[Sage]

John...I have many, many relatives and friends up in Canada who hate everything about Canada's health care system except the fact that it's free. All I've ever heard from Canadians that I actually know are complaints. So don't say that I NEVER get my information from the people directly, because I can't really get more direct.

I find it intriguing that all the Canadians you claim to know are as dissatisfied with Canada's healthcare as you are. This isn't an attack on your integrity, of course (and if it were I'd not be foolish enough to say plainly), but I simply feel it's just an interesting observation.

[The Joker]

Do you hate it?
Does it take forever?
Do people die?

I love it.

It doesn't take forever.

Of course people die. :P

Do you prefer your system over the American system of buy health insurance and still have to pay a lot of money, yet you get pretty nice care...eventhough it costs a lot and most people can't afford simple medications?

Do you think that the opinions of the Canadian system is misconstrued based on what you see around the forums and in reports from the Americans?

Do you also think that your system is in a good place that it will be around for a really long time?

I prefer our system.

Yes, they are extremely misconstrued and their opinions on it make me laugh.

Yes, it should stick around for a long time.

[CaptainObvious]

Guess I won't get to hear Jared's relatives' specific complaints now. :lol:

I'm so sad. :(

:P

[The Joker]

Yeah, like how we wait for decades to get treated. :P

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah, like how we wait for decades to get treated. :P

Decades? Wow, it's even better in BC than Ontario!

:P

[boy.on.laptop]

Perhaps a hasty assumption on my end, but, it does not change the implications of this comment:



Being that you did take a statistics course, surely you know that such a small sample size cannot prove yourself right, nor "crush" any arguments similar to the one you have posted. Not to mention, this is convenience sampling and by no means attempts to establish an SRS etc. etc. Personal experiences, on both ends, cannot prove or disprove a point, so despite what any Canadian in here may say, it is fairly irrelevant given how statistics works, which, of course, you know.

That, is my point, my friend.

Edit: of course, this is not an argument for/ against Canada's health care system, but more of an attack on the premise of this entire thread, as it were.

Oh come on quatermaster, I have alot of respect for your comments and thoughts, as well as agreeing with you to some degree with this post(I am majoring in Statistics) but I doubt you can very much honestly say your preference for an libertarian healthcare system has no relevance to challenging the premise of this small survey. It would be like me claiming my views as a christian that every person has a right to a universal healthcare system, much like the great one we have here in NZ has no basis for me commenting on this.

[Mental]

Well, I live in the UK and the National Health Service (which is like Canada's system so am sure I can answer this) here has never failed me nor most other people - please do not judge it based on the isolated incidents where someone bled to death in the triage area because of shortage of doctors or whatever, incidents like that are very rare. Sure, some old people may have to wait that little bit longer before they can get their hip replacement, but it's better late than never because they can't afford it, right?

The NHS does need to address a few problems, though, or at least it's approach to problems. I do not believe that drunken idiots who get plastered one night at at a nightclub then gets in a fight or car accident should have his/her treatment for free. Stuff like that should definitely have a fee attached, because on New Year them idiots cost the system billions. I also do not believe people that come to the UK from abroad for the sheer intention of getting their treatment/have a baby for free, should get it free either. They've never paid a single dime to the system (via tax), so they should NOT benefit from it.

If we could sort out some of the messes and abuses of the NHS, then it would be a lot more efficient, for sure.

[quartermaster]

Oh come on quatermaster, I have alot of respect for your comments and thoughts, as well as agreeing with you to some degree with this post(I am majoring in Statistics) but I doubt you can very much honestly say your preference for an libertarian healthcare system has no relevance to challenging the premise of this small survey. It would be like me claiming my views as a christian that every person has a right to a universal healthcare system, much like the great one we have here in NZ has no basis for me commenting on this.

Strawman, of course I commented on this because I favor a free market approach to health care; I only suggested that I was not attacking the Canadian health care system, as it was not my goal within this thread, I never implied anything else. I attacked this thread because I could not allow a faulty statistical premise to spread misinformation (being that Mercury claims to have taken a statistics class, could it have been disinformation?); in regards to health care, I understand that such a blanket method of statistics is an erroneous manner in which to "prove" a point. Being that I was am against universal health care, I felt obligated to establish that this thread does not "prove" anything, but is, in fact, irrelevant to the greater health care discussion.

[Antares]

Well fortunately for me, my point has effectively been proven.
People misconstrue and hyperbolize the Canadian health system (and even the British one for the other poster :)) and this thread was to get some straight answers from Canadians themselves. Rather than from Americans who think they know about other systems when all they do is get their biased and unfair info from Fox News. (lol)

Anyways, my point has been made. Canadian healthcare is not as bad as some Americans make it out to be. That came straight from Canadians themselves.

[Jean Poutine]

Not so bad?

I broke my foot in three different places once and I waited three hours in the emergency ward as the other fuckers with colds and scrapes went before me.

Emergency wards are constantly full of people with mild flu. They bog down the system for everyone else.

Ambulance is not free, but fucking social welfare assholes have it free. And these dipshits fake illnesses, use the ambulance and then slip out of the hospital and go shopping. They use them like free taxis.

Each time I take an appointment with a doctor, I always must wait at least two hours because everyone is taking their fucking time and people are going to the doctor for cuts and scrapes for fuck's sake.

Fucking hospitals are dirty as all fuck because we're too busy pumping money into the care itself rather than the facilities.

If the system charged 20$ for a consultation with a doctor and put that money on upgrading the premises I can assure you ER wards would unbog down like magic and everything would be better. Instead we have stupid redneck abusing the system because it's "free" and screwing it over for the real citizens.

My mom used to be a secretary in the region's biggest hospital, she'd tell you funny stories.

[The Batman]

Not so bad?

I broke my foot in three different places once and I waited three hours in the emergency ward as the other fuckers with colds and scrapes went before me.

Emergency wards are constantly full of people with mild flu. They bog down the system for everyone else.

Ambulance is not free, but fucking social welfare assholes have it free. And these dipshits fake illnesses, use the ambulance and then slip out of the hospital and go shopping. They use them like free taxis.

Each time I take an appointment with a doctor, I always must wait at least two hours because everyone is taking their fucking time and people are going to the doctor for cuts and scrapes for fuck's sake.

Fucking hospitals are dirty as all fuck because we're too busy pumping money into the care itself rather than the facilities.

If the system charged 20$ for a consultation with a doctor and put that money on upgrading the premises I can assure you ER wards would unbog down like magic and everything would be better. Instead we have stupid redneck abusing the system because it's "free" and screwing it over for the real citizens.

My mom used to be a secretary in the region's biggest hospital, she'd tell you funny stories.

I haven't been to a hospital where you haven't had to wait hours for care and this is including going to the hospital at 3 or 4 a.m. with 103 degree temperature. I ended up waiting like an hour that time but i've had to wait as long as 4 hours before.

[Antares]

I think it would be interesting to see what other canadians think of your experience uchitima.

And I just so you know, some of the complaints you described are here in America too.

[The Joker]

It is true, there are people that do that. Crowding is a problem with our system.