UK - General Election

[Sapphire]

Which of the three main parties do you want to win the next general election and why?

[woody92]

HI Sapphire, well I like the the Libral democrats but i dont really know why but my parents have just always supported them. I dont really take much notice of politics lol. I think what Brown is doing an OK-ISH job but I dont really like nor understand Politics so yea...

[Sapphire]

The liberal democrats are the only ones who are interested in improving the state of our rights as well as making us a more democratic and fair country again. I think that they are the way forward for us and that they now have a chance at winning the election.

[Patchy]

The liberal democrats are the only ones who are interested in improving the state of our rights as well as making us a more democratic and fair country again. I think that they are the way forward for us and that they now have a chance at winning the election.

Agreed.

We've never had a lib dem government as far as I can remember and they are usually bang on on a lot of politics so I want to see them in.

[Boredomino]

Liberal Democrats would be a welcome change (Brown is good on paper for the job of PM, not so good in practice).

What about minor parties? Official Raving Monster Loony Party all the way! What about the Legalise Cannabis party?

[Aηdy]

To be quite honest I don't understand a lot about politics. All I know is that the ugly fat bloke is useless and MP's are in it for the money.

[Apparitions]

I would prefer UKIP to win but it's not going to happen so I'm reluctantly going for the Tories.

[Giles]

I could be really racist and say the BNP, but I'll not bother lol.
I'm going to have to say either UKIP. Or the Liberal Democrats.

[nick]

Supporting the Lib Dems is one thing, believing they have a chance to win however is just delusional

[scuba steve]

i wouldn't mind seeing what David Cameron would do for us

[Triceratops]

I much prefer the Conservative government and their policies, but whether David Cameron will carry them out accordingly or not is another matter.

I'm content with the idea of the Liberal Democrats winning the election - I'm in agreement with their policies and I personally think they would do a good job in terms of improving environmental issues and human rights in particular. I'm interested to see how Nick Clegg would go about being our country leader - since I'm not too fond of the Labour party, nor Gordon Brown for that matter!

[Requin]

Well...here's where I'm stuck, I can't vote sadly, not old enough yet. :(. But from a students point of view (i.e. me) I would say the Conservatives. BUT, Cameron is what is known as a dick head, moron and Tony Blair copy.

Now i'm looking past Cameron here, as they have bravely said that they will raise taxes if they get voted in, and we need them to be raised. Here's the student view, because the fees for University by the time I get to go, are totally absurd, the cheapest I've seen is £3000 for a year. And the current government are now telling all Universities that they will have to cut millions of pounds from their budgets, so naturally, fees are going up. Apparently to get a good high education now you have to be rich...funny I thought anyone could do it.
As much as I don't trust or like them, their policies should work. tbh, its out of my hands, hopefully whoever gets put in (it won't be labour, everyone's lost the faith :P) I hope they will do best for me and others like me.

[scuba steve]

doing a little bit of research whilst being slightly overwhelmed on the policies each party "promises" to go through with i simply can't make up my mind between the two (conservatives, liberal democrats) which i prefer.
the policies of the democrats suggests: closer EU ties possibly steering more towards the installment of the Euro than either three of the parties, but they would also concentrate more on better re-newable energy sources and the pull out of British troops in the middle east.

The conservatives seems to be more like our own version of the US republican party focusing on making sure the Union remains (i.e. opposing the likes of Scottish dependence) they also seem to be set on the "expansion" of our own military with the idea that if we are going to see the likes of Afghanastan through to the end we are not
large enough to handle operations. they also wish to tighten bonds between the US and commonwealth states. European Union relation policies are although devided within the party.

in theory i would think Conservatives would benefit Britain more than the Liberal democrats favouring in the increase of standards of living and reducing welfare aid to those who do not wish to work. which would affect many other departments in the Public sector as this money could increase education funds and the greatly underfunded NHS.

although prefering Lib Dems policies on energy and EU relations.....so really i've no idea which one to go for; if i could vote it would probably be conservative as labour hasn't done much for us in the last 20 years anyway, being conservative for the majority of the 20th centuary it seems then we were more politicaly stable.

[Sapphire]

The Lib Dems are proposing abolishing tuition fees for universities which, as a student, I'm very much in favour of. Now, I'm not sure how they propose to fund university tuition but when other countries can do it, why can't we?

The greatest problem I have with the Conservatives is that they can't seem to make their mind up with regards to some of their policies. Cameron has changed his mind on some of his policies as often as some people change their underwear. And I would never vote for a party that has had such an inconsistent approach toward homosexuality.

[scuba steve]

The Lib Dems are proposing abolishing tuition fees for universities which, as a student, I'm very much in favour of. Now, I'm not sure how they propose to fund university tuition but when other countries can do it, why can't we?

The greatest problem I have with the Conservatives is that they can't seem to make their mind up with regards to some of their policies. Cameron has changed his mind on some of his policies as often as some people change their underwear. And I would never vote for a party that has had such an inconsistent approach toward homosexuality.

yea they always change the way they feel toward the EU which is weird a bit too wishy-washy on subjects

[Mental]

None of them appeal to me at all but y'know... I know some people may frown at this.. but I actually find many aspects of the British National Party (BNP) quite appealing. While everyone screams "omfg racists!!!!!!11111" at them, I notice that most don't actually bother to research some of their policies, and I bet many people would not be so quick to criticise them if they did.

I'm sorry but nobody can deny that immigration IS a problem in the UK. We're only an island nation, we're not anywhere as big as the United States, Canada or Australia which have much more space available for growing populations and immigrants. It's awesome to play the moral humanitarian who helps the poor, but you can't save everyone. That is a dangerous delusion to our economic and demographic infastructure when it comes to immigration policy, and to be fair, I think the UK does it's fair share of helping such people. We're not as hard as USA or Australia to emigrate to, we accept most asylum seekers (some of whom aren't even genuine).

Even so, I'm not all that fond of BNP's approach of giving financial bribes to return to their "land of ethnic origin". That's quite screwed up and is racist, as many Asians and black people have been here for a few generations and have every right to call the UK "home". I'm just not fond on easy immigration here. I believe that it should be restricted tightly from now on. I'm not a racist, as skin colour plays absolutely no part in this. My opinion applies to white immigration here, too. I don't believe in halting it, just restricting it.

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/

There are also other polices that the BNP that are quite attractive, although I can't be bothered to elaborate why, but yeah, read some on the link. It does sound pretty good, but then again, I don't really ever trust politics, as they say anything to attract your voting card to their box, so to speak, and I'm quite convinced that the BNP is a wolf in sheep's clothing on race/immigration-related matters.. I mean Nick Griffin used to be a Neonazi for Christ sake.

The greatest problem I have with the Conservatives is that they can't seem to make their mind up with regards to some of their policies. Cameron has changed his mind on some of his policies as often as some people change their underwear. And I would never vote for a party that has had such an inconsistent approach toward homosexuality.
That is actually quite true.. but that goes for a few parties too. :l
If the cap fits, I guess.

[boy.on.laptop]

Actually I have to ssay mental I do agree with soeme of your comments, immigration I believe is too much in the UK. Personally like almost everyone else I want to see the lib dems win, although supporting labour in NZ, labour in Britain has totally abandoned its prinicpals but I have to say I do admire some of David Cameron's conservatives policies towards the environment. If I could vote it would be for the lib democrats but Tories are definetly going to win.

[Sapphire]

Mental, did you see Nick Griffin on Question Time around November/December?
He couldn't give a single straight answer and the whole thing just made it ever more clear that he is a racist idiot.
Would you really want him as a leader?

I'm sure that you can find another party that will address immigration in a way that you believe will work.

[Mental]

Mental, did you see Nick Griffin on Question Time around November/December?
He couldn't give a single straight answer and the whole thing just made it ever more clear that he is a racist idiot.
Would you really want him as a leader?

I'm sure that you can find another party that will address immigration in a way that you believe will work.
Indeed I did. But to be fair, although he came across looking stupid for example the KKK comment, the others on the panal were talking all over him, so he didn't get a chance to talk much.

As I said though, I'm not really that fond of Nick, as he was a Neonazi in the past and he's clearly a wolf in sheeps clothing. I'm just saying that there are many aspects to the BNP which are appealing.. although it's certainly not the leader himself.

Js.

[Triceratops]

Mental, did you see Nick Griffin on Question Time around November/December?
He couldn't give a single straight answer and the whole thing just made it ever more clear that he is a racist idiot.
Would you really want him as a leader?

I remember watching that.
He was consistently contradictive and narrow-minded...not to mention that I think he's disgusting. It was obvious that he wasn't prepared for the questions given to him either.
However, I hate the BNP policies, but I do think that Question Time was slightly fixed up to make Nick Griffin look even worse - but in my perspective, nothing can make him seem wise, reasonable or respectable - no matter how good or bad the broadcasting is.

Back on topic, I highly doubt he would make an effective leader. He would encourage racial hatred in our country, which I wouldn't want in a million years.

[Mental]

Well, I don't want to come across looking like some racist or anything by what I've just said. >_>

I wouldn't trust Nick too much as Prime Minister either. But his party's policies, minus the stuff on race and other crap like that, are actually quite good if they were to be implemented/work. I'm all for Britain minding it's own business and adopting an isolationist approach to foreign policy.. no offence to the EU/USA or anything.

I'm not voting BNP - but if their main campaign line wasn't such an extreme approach to race/immigrants/ethnic minorities - the whole bribing them to go back to where they came from and the crap about "pure Britishness" which falls flat on its face because everyone in the UK has some kind of foreign blood in them - I think they'd be worth a shot for their other policies.

It'd definitely be a change, anyway.

[nick]

I wouldn't trust Nick too much as Prime Minister either.
Aw :( but I'd be excellent!

[Sapphire]

Marcie, I think you are right about them wanting to make him look worse. But at the same time, he is such a controversial politician with such controversial views that I think if you put him on any program like that and you'll get a similar end result.Well, I don't want to come across looking like some racist or anything by what I've just said. >_>

I wouldn't trust Nick too much as Prime Minister either. But his party's policies, minus the stuff on race and other crap like that, are actually quite good if they were to be implemented/work. I'm all for Britain minding it's own business and adopting an isolationist approach to foreign policy.. no offence to the EU/USA or anything.

I'm not voting BNP - but if their main campaign line wasn't such an extreme approach to race/immigrants/ethnic minorities - the whole bribing them to go back to where they came from and the crap about "pure Britishness" which falls flat on its face because everyone in the UK has some kind of foreign blood in them - I think they'd be worth a shot for their other policies.

It'd definitely be a change, anyway.
So, make them more like the conservatives then? :P

[karl]

Mental, did you see Nick Griffin on Question Time around November/December?
He couldn't give a single straight answer and the whole thing just made it ever more clear that he is a racist idiot.
Would you really want him as a leader?

I'm sure that you can find another party that will address immigration in a way that you believe will work.

Finding a party that will address immigration is like looking for needle in a hay stack.

[Apparitions]

I've decided that I would want a UKIP government, despite their lack of experience. They have policies that I like, they have been very successful over the last 2 years despite them being a small party and they are not Labour. The main reason I wouldn't vote for Labour if I could is them trying to cut spending on Uni's which would affect me when I got to one in a few years. Everyone has the right to education and stopping this by making students pay more or whatever they said they would do would stop people like me from being able to go to a Uni. Also, Gordon Brown is a lying fool who refuses to admit that there will be cuts in public spending and whatever and wasn't even voted in, which I dislike and do not trust him for. The Tories can't make their minds up on things and I don't really like David Cameron and I'm not too sure on the Lib Dems. These debates on TV coming up should show the leaders true colours. I'll decide who I like after then.

[Apparitions]

Mental, did you see Nick Griffin on Question Time around November/December?
He couldn't give a single straight answer and the whole thing just made it ever more clear that he is a racist idiot.
Would you really want him as a leader?

I'm sure that you can find another party that will address immigration in a way that you believe will work.
They didn't give him a chance to say anything, never mind give a straight answer. The panel and audience were bullying hypocrites (I thought it was ironic that they call Griffin a racist when one of them said that he should go to the North Pole where everything is white or whatever which was a racist thing to say imo.) and it was obviously very biased against Griffin. If they had given him a chance to speak we might have found out that he has some good policies except for the ones involving race. I think the BBC screwed him over with this. The panelists were shite as well.

[Sapphire]

They didn't give him a chance to say anything, never mind give a straight answer. The panel and audience were bullying hypocrites (I thought it was ironic that they call Griffin a racist when one of them said that he should go to the North Pole where everything is white or whatever which was a racist thing to say imo.) and it was obviously very biased against Griffin. If they had given him a chance to speak we might have found out that he has some good policies except for the ones involving race. I think the BBC screwed him over with this. The panelists were shite as well.
Hang on, are you suggesting that people should overlook the fact that Nick Griffin is the leader of a racist political party and concentrate on the policies that they are more likely to agree on? Lol.

[Apparitions]

Hang on, are you suggesting that people should overlook the fact that Nick Griffin is the leader of a racist political party and concentrate on the policies that they are more likely to agree on? Lol.
No I didn't say that they should overlook that fact, I was just saying that maybe they could have let him say some of his other policies. I hate the BNP and the fat bastard Griffin though for their racist views and policies but they are a legal political party and should be treated like one if we want to have a true democracy.

[Sapphire]

No I didn't say that they should overlook that fact, I was just saying that maybe they could have let him say some of his other policies. I hate the BNP and the fat bastard Griffin though for their racist views and policies but they are a legal political party and should be treated like one if we want to have a true democracy.
The whole point of Question Time is that people can pose questions to the panelists. The reason the other policies weren't covered is because the audience didn't ask any questions about them and not out of an attempt to bias viewers.

The BNP are treated like a legal political party. They have the freedom to say what they stand for (so long as it is within the law) just like any other party. Just because people pay more attention to the racist beliefs of the BNP when compared to their other policies does not mean that they are not treated like a proper, legal party.

[Apparitions]

The whole point of Question Time is that people can pose questions to the panelists. The reason the other policies weren't covered is because the audience didn't ask any questions about them and not out of an attempt to bias viewers.

The BNP are treated like a legal political party. They have the freedom to say what they stand for (so long as it is within the law) just like any other party. Just because people pay more attention to the racist beliefs of the BNP when compared to their other policies does not mean that they are not treated like a proper, legal party.
You are probably right. The BNP are hard to talk about with this with them being a special, extreme case which makes them hard to compare with other parties which is what I was going to do. The thing which I'm talking about is if they weren't a racist party and had no racist policies and views would they have good policies that could make people take them seriously? I think they would. They embarrass and ruin themselves by clinging onto their outdated racist views which is the shame as the country could do with some decent parties to vote for.

[Sapphire]

But since they are not going to ditch their racist attitudes, what you are saying about their other policies is almost entirely irrelevant...

[boy.on.laptop]

I've decided that I would want a UKIP government,
The main reason I wouldn't vote for Labour if I could is them trying to cut spending on Uni's which would affect me when I got to one in a few years.
You really think a UKIP wouldn't cut funding to universities? I am no fan of the British labour party but I do not see a UKIP government as anything better and quite frankly I agree with David Cameron that most of them are closet racists(not that I like the Tories much either)

[boy.on.laptop]

because the fees for University by the time I get to go, are totally absurd, the cheapest I've seen is £3000 for a year.

Welcome to the real world buddy, outside of the EU they have been that high since about the 1980s(not that I agree that they should be that high but I personally believe it is partly the fault of greedy universities).

[The Dark Lord]

People need to stop believing in the LibDems. Vince Cable is a failed Labour politician and closet communist and Nick Clegg is a Tory in disguse. Their immigration policy would be suicidal and there pro-Euro views are dangerous. Cutting benefits for the lazy, cutting political waste and supporting the heros in Afgan are key Tory policies and Cameron should be given an opportunity to implament them. Clegg has had one good debate- this is NOT a reason for him to become PM like he suggested. Brown has to go and only Cameron and the Tories can throw him out

[Aspiringanonymous]

Three month old thread - please do not bump old threads. You've already created a discussion regarding this topic here - http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72505

Simply refer to that. Thanks! :locked: