Effective precautions against rape?

[Sapphire]

So, this sparked off in another thread but I'm keen to carry it on.


70% of rapists are previously known to the victim.
An estimated 57% of sexual abusers are biological parents of the victim.
Most rapists offend on a number of different occasions.

Do you think that there are effective precautions men/women can take against becoming rape victims?

[Sage]

Castration, learning kung-fu, chastity belts, carrying a gun, avoiding dark alleyways...

[Raptor22]

Look for red flags, things like marital rape and date rape are harder to prevent. Stay away from free drinks / unattended drinks...

Oh and Carry. Carrying is a very important safety precaution.

[Sapphire]

Look for red flags, things like marital rape and date rape are harder to prevent. Stay away from free drinks / unattended drinks...It is almost impossible to see the red flags in relationships/friendships unless you have witnessed it before. The avoidance of free/unattended drinks is sound advice, but then again it isn't guaranteed to keep you safe.

Oh and Carry. Carrying is a very important safety precaution.
Having a condom in your bag isn't going to be any good to you when a man forces himself onto you though, is it?
Or did you mean a gun?

[enzenzz]

Fight back? Or is it don't react when they are already doing the act because most of the time its not about having sex but having dominion over the victim.

I would bite the penis hard and don't let go.

Best way is to avoid places prone to those things. Or don't travel alone.

[Raptor22]

It is almost impossible to see the red flags in relationships/friendships unless you have witnessed it before. The avoidance of free/unattended drinks is sound advice, but then again it isn't guaranteed to keep you safe.


Having a condom in your bag isn't going to be any good to you when a man forces himself onto you though, is it?
Or did you mean a gun?

Yes I am talking about a firearm. 2000000 attacks were thrwarted by simply brandishing a firearm during the assault. The majority of the women in my family carry. Even a small .38 purse revolver is effective in thwarting an attack.

http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/magnum-revolver-nickel/nickel-mod38-revolver.jpg

[Sapphire]

But owning a gun has its own risks, isn't legal everywhere and not every woman feels comfortable carrying one.

The problem with saying that by avoiding dark places and not traveling alone one protects themselves from being raped is that they are only really measures against stranger attacks which account for less than half of all rapes.

[Raptor22]

But owning a gun has its own risks, isn't legal everywhere and not every woman feels comfortable carrying one.

The problem with saying that by avoiding dark places and not traveling alone one protects themselves from being raped is that they are only really measures against stranger attacks which account for less than half of all rapes.

Get training, if not armed its their choice. You can also learn martial arts such as karate or wrestling.

[Sapphire]

Get training, if not armed its their choice. You can also learn martial arts such as karate or wrestling.It isn't always a woman's choice to be armed or not since the law does not always allow it.

I'm intrigued to see what the suggested precautions against acquaintance rape are considering that it makes up about 70% of all rapes...

[Whisper]

then again it isn't guaranteed to keep you safe.

Nothings guaranteed.

[Sapphire]

Nothings guaranteed.
I meant more along the lines of it only addressing the prevention of stranger rape in certain situations which accounts for less than a third of all rapes.

[Skyland]

Go out in groups and follow each other about.

[Sapphire]

Go out in groups and follow each other about.
And what about when it is just you and your husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend/friend/other family member?

[The Batman]

There aren't any real precautions that can help you avoid rape all the time because that rapist has just as much opportunity to either work around it or work with it to better benefit them. The best thing you can do is try to learn how to protect yourself if the situation arises.

[INFERNO]

There aren't any guarunteed precautions to work because you don't instantly know who is going to be a potential rapist to you and who isn't until it's going on. Fighting back could be a decent idea, however, it's not fool-proof as some attackers may know combat themselves or can be family so you wouldn't suspect it, or you simply may be shocked and not react properly.

For "stranger rape", if the rapist is trying to coerce you, then disengage and leave. The problem here is that the person may not be a rapist and simply may be trying to hit on you without any harm intended. When it's more of a spontaneous rape, whereby the person attacks, I'd say just scream for help, aim for the nuts, knees, throat, nose, eyes, etc... . You don't need necessarily advanced training in combat for any of these, although getting at the nose and eyes may be a bit harder, these can be somewhat well-known, such as kick the guy's balls black and blue. It may not stop the rape process but it may give you time to briefly escape or continue a further attack then run. Alternatively, also carry stun-gun or pepper spray or other concealable effective, legal defenses. They may not work in the situation but at least they're at the disposal to potentially work.

For "family rape" or "acquitance rape", I'd say try these same precautions although seeing the same person over and over would make it emotionally difficult and very stressful knowing what was attempted or done. If calling the police on him/her fails, then the best idea would be leave one day.

There's no one precaution that will work each time because the situation may not allow it (i.e. screaming when you're in a large building underground after hours) or may not be effective (i.e. fighting back, using a stun-gun, pepper spray, etc...).

[Antares]

Yes, I think there are...will they entirely work? No, thats nearly impossible but:
-Make ALL offenders go through psych. evaluation and therapy when they're imprisoned the first time
-Make sure your parents aren't crazy (lol)
-Don't procreate with crazy douches who like to touch little kids (lol)
-Learn self-defense skills and have weapons on people (kick people in the balls)
-Help people learn to report all kinds of sex offenses

and the list goes on and on for a bit, there are many small changes we can make in our society to eliminate a lot of this crap.

[woody92]

Yes I am talking about a firearm. 2000000 attacks were thrwarted by simply brandishing a firearm during the assault. The majority of the women in my family carry. Even a small .38 purse revolver is effective in thwarting an attack.

I totaly dont agrre with carrying a firearm AT ALL! I think that it is wrong to carry a Firearm IN EVERY CERCUMSTANCE. The only people in my mind that should be alowed to carry firearms, is the police. And no I dont mean all of the police (like in the USA) I mean like, the police that have been trained for hours and hours. A special department in the police that specialze in firearms.

[Raptor22]

I totaly dont agrre with carrying a firearm AT ALL! I think that it is wrong to carry a Firearm IN EVERY CERCUMSTANCE. The only people in my mind that should be alowed to carry firearms, is the police. And no I dont mean all of the police (like in the USA) I mean like, the police that have been trained for hours and hours. A special department in the police that specialze in firearms.

So only the criminals will have firearms then until the police arrive seven minutes later after you were raped and killed. In order to get a CCW there is training involved.

[woody92]

So only the criminals will have firearms then until the police arrive seven minutes later after you were raped and killed. In order to get a CCW there is training involved.

The guns should be off the streets FULL STOP! IMO.
Thats what I am saying.

[Raptor22]

The guns should be off the streets FULL STOP! IMO.
Thats what I am saying.

You havent answered my question. How would we stop criminals from getting them?

[Aηdy]

Pepper spray would probably work.

[woody92]

You havent answered my question. How would we stop criminals from getting them?

Firstly I DONT SEE ANY QUESTION!

No, we wont stop them. But GUNS should not be allowed.

Pepper spray would probably work.

I totaly agree

[Raptor22]

Firstly I DONT SEE ANY QUESTION!

No, we wont stop them. But GUNS should not be allowed.



I totaly agree

My question is how do we keep criminals from getting them?

If we dont stop crims from getting them, only crims would have guns (import them illegally, whatever) and have control over the populace because in many areas the police sucks really bad...

Oh, and banning guns is against the 2nd Amendment.

[Rutherford The Brave]

My question is how do we keep criminals from getting them?

If we dont stop crims from getting them, only crims would have guns (import them illegally, whatever) and have control over the populace because in many areas the police sucks really bad...

Oh, and banning guns is against the 2nd Amendment.

But banning the 2nd amendment isn't against the second amendment.

[Raptor22]

But banning the 2nd amendment isn't against the second amendment.

That would require another amendment, which 80% of the states are CCW states with many even having open carry legal, there is no way you could get a 2/3s majority of all the states to ratify it. The 2nd Amendment stands.

Even if it was repealed, Crims would still get guns from other countries. What would we do about guns already in the country. Nobodys showing up at my house to take mine, hells to the no.

[Rutherford The Brave]

That would require another amendment, which 80% of the states are CCW states with many even having open carry legal, there is no way you could get a 2/3s majority of all the states to ratify it. The 2nd Amendment stands.

Even if it was repealed, Crims would still get guns from other countries. What would we do about guns already in the country. Nobodys showing up at my house to take mine, hells to the no.

You do not know, miraculous things have happened before. I also do not doubt that guns would still exist. It isn't that hard to creat a zip gun.

[The Batman]

This is not a debate on guns it's a debate on the precautions of rape guys let's remember that and remain on the topic. There's already a gun debate here http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60400.

[Raptor22]

You do not know, miraculous things have happened before. I also do not doubt that guns would still exist. It isn't that hard to creat a zip gun.

Or get one from other countries. Look at Switzerland though, has most guns per capita in the world and the lowest crime rate. Germany also has high guns per capity and a low crime rate. Compare that to bordering Lichtenstein with zero guns per capita (except for police), and a crime rate NINE TIMES higher than Germany. Go figure.

My bad Misery, posted while you did... :)

[woody92]

My question is how do we keep criminals from getting them?

If we dont stop crims from getting them, only crims would have guns (import them illegally, whatever) and have control over the populace because in many areas the police sucks really bad...

Oh, and banning guns is against the 2nd Amendment.

I dont know how we could stop the gun trade. but i do know that it needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW!

sorry if i was a bit hard in the last post!

[Raptor22]

I dont know how we could stop the gun trade. but i do know that it needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW!

sorry if i was a bit hard in the last post!

No worries. :)

But thats completely impractical. I like to think of the world in terms of moral ideas and right and wrong and be idealistic, however idealism is far from realism. Anyways rape precautions: guns have been proven to be an effective precaution against rape.

[woody92]

No worries. :)

But thats completely impractical. I like to think of the world in terms of moral ideas and right and wrong and be idealistic, however idealism is far from realism. Anyways rape precautions: guns have been proven to be an effective precaution against rape.

I agree that guns have been proven to stop rape, however it also risks of the amount of deaths by gunshot to go up considerably! (spelling is wrong i know)

[Raptor22]

I agree that guns have been proven to stop rape, however it also risks of the amount of deaths by gunshot to go up considerably! (spelling is wrong i know)

Actually it hasnt, if you give me like 20 minutes I can find all of the statistics again. I argued this point in a debate last year and did quite well. :)

[woody92]

Actually it hasnt, if you give me like 20 minutes I can find all of the statistics again. I argued this point in a debate last year and did quite well. :)

ok

well i think it should be taught in schools ect that it is wrong to rape people, i know it is already but t should be enforced mor, IMO.

And it should also be talked about more in households. It needs to be started from the bottom of the chain up wards. And I think that the punnishments for rape should be higher, alot higher than what they are now. As I said on another tread, I think rape should have the punishment of chemical castration.

[Perseus]

ok

well i think it should be taught in schools ect that it is wrong to rape people, i know it is already but t should be enforced mor, IMO.

And it should also be talked about more in households. It needs to be started from the bottom of the chain up wards. And I think that the punnishments for rape should be higher, alot higher than what they are now. As I said on another tread, I think rape should have the punishment of chemical castration.

Teaching children that "rape is wrong" won't really do much good.
We teach them lying is bad, and they still do it.

[drewlink99]

But, raping is harder to do that lying.
And, it is also, very apparent, that SOME people do NOT listen to anything, but the overall would be a reduction in rape.

[woody92]

Teaching children that "rape is wrong" won't really do much good.
We teach them lying is bad, and they still do it.

I know but it has to done slowly and in a controled manner. School is the best way. I mean from like 8th grade. So not that young.
It has to be A SLOW prosess

[Perseus]

But, raping is harder to do that lying.
And, it is also, very apparent, that SOME people do NOT listen to anything, but the overall would be a reduction in rape.

Yes, this is true. But I was mainly talking about like school children. Maybe in like middle school and highschool it would be more helpful.

I actualy just realized teaching school children about rape would mean they would have to learn about sex in elementary school which most parents would not like at all.

[2D]

A gun.

[theOperaGhost]

A gun, but you brits would all be against that because guns kill people and nobody deserves to die. GUNS ARE BAD!!!!!!!! EVERYONE WHO OWNS ONE WILL END UP KILLING SOMEONE ELSE OR THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!

[Rutherford The Brave]

A gun, but you brits would all be against that because guns kill people and nobody deserves to die. GUNS ARE BAD!!!!!!!! EVERYONE WHO OWNS ONE WILL END UP KILLING SOMEONE ELSE OR THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't the purpose of a gun to kill something? Yes, if you carry a gun while being raped and lets say you shot the perp. He's dead and well you just saved yourself. Yet what if you fired twice, the latter of the two hitting someone else. Well then you have an issue, guns are used for killing that is basically their sole purpose. Its just something too powerful to be walking around with,.

[2D]

Isn't the purpose of a gun to kill something? Yes, if you carry a gun while being raped and lets say you shot the perp. He's dead and well you just saved yourself. Yet what if you fired twice, the latter of the two hitting someone else. Well then you have an issue, guns are used for killing that is basically their sole purpose. Its just something too powerful to be walking around with,.

If you hit someone with a second shot don't you think that they would be close enough to hear your screams and help?

[Rutherford The Brave]

If you hit someone with a second shot don't you think that they would be close enough to hear your screams and help?

Yeah thats probably the main reason why they would be shot, your trying to fight somone off, your hand is not steady. He hits you, and you fling your arm back and fire. All the sudden this good samaritian is bleeding out.

[Raptor22]

ok

well i think it should be taught in schools ect that it is wrong to rape people, i know it is already but t should be enforced mor, IMO.

And it should also be talked about more in households. It needs to be started from the bottom of the chain up wards. And I think that the punnishments for rape should be higher, alot higher than what they are now. As I said on another tread, I think rape should have the punishment of chemical castration.

I completely agree.

Isn't the purpose of a gun to kill something? Yes, if you carry a gun while being raped and lets say you shot the perp. He's dead and well you just saved yourself. Yet what if you fired twice, the latter of the two hitting someone else. Well then you have an issue, guns are used for killing that is basically their sole purpose. Its just something too powerful to be walking around with,.

Yeah thats probably the main reason why they would be shot, your trying to fight somone off, your hand is not steady. He hits you, and you fling your arm back and fire. All the sudden this good samaritian is bleeding out.

Self defense rounds are designed to expand after entering the perp and causing as much internal damage as possible, as opposed to military rounds which are designed to pass straight through because it takes 6 healthy combatants to carry three wounded combatants off the battlefield where it takes no healthy combatants to tend to one dead one. The odds of a trained marksperson missing or a round exiting is slim to none. Even if the person missed, the chances are slim that it will hit anyone around, you wouldnt be getting raped if you were in a crowd... :P

You dont even have to shoot to kill, shoot them in the junk, have fun when the round expands in there. :D ;)

[Rutherford The Brave]

I completely agree.





Self defense rounds are designed to expand after entering the perp and causing as much internal damage as possible, as opposed to military rounds which are designed to pass straight through because it takes 6 healthy combatants to carry three wounded combatants off the battlefield where it takes no healthy combatants to tend to one dead one. The odds of a trained marksperson missing or a round exiting is slim to none. Even if the person missed, the chances are slim that it will hit anyone around, you wouldnt be getting raped if you were in a crowd... :P

You dont even have to shoot to kill, shoot them in the junk, have fun when the round expands in there. :D ;)

The odds of a victim being a skilled marksmen are slim to none, and if someone is shoving you, and hitting you there is no way in hell you will be able to pinpoint someone in a certain spot.

[The Batman]

The reason why a gun wouldn't be too effective in a rape is because it has to be easily accessible. Most likely a woman is going to carry it in her purse and the rapist will most likely attack the woman when she's not paying attention and then make sure she can't get to her purse even if he's not thinking about the gun he doesn't know what's in there so he wants to get it away from her. After that he'll most likely put her in a position where she can't easily move her arms or hands so that she puts up less struggle. Do you see where I'm going? You can carry around a gun but a rapist is going to make sure you can't use it. These aren't idiots doing the same thing over and over again it's someone that thinks about these precautions and tries to find away to work around them.

[Raptor22]

The odds of a victim being a skilled marksmen are slim to none, and if someone is shoving you, and hitting you there is no way in hell you will be able to pinpoint someone in a certain spot.

You need many hours of training to get a CCW to carry in the first place. As I posted earlier 2,000,000 attempted assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided by firearms every year, in 9/10 of those cases the person only had to brandish the weapon where the perp fled. Also 7/10 of those cases involved women, so roughly 1,260,000 assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided simply by women brandishing a weapon. Only 140,000 cases involved women actually firing a weapon during the attack resulting in either the perp fleeing or becoming wounded. Ask those 1,260,000 women how they feel about firearms and safety. The "what if hes on top of me and knocking the gun around" argument is void, just like the "what if a woman is raped and the 8% chance of viable sperm, meeting the 2% chance of the birth control not working, meeting the 5% of the morning after pill not working, and she gets pregnant in a .008% chance" abortion argument that you put forward earlier....

[Rutherford The Brave]

You need many hours of training to get a CCW to carry in the first place. As I posted earlier 2,000,000 attempted assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided by firearms every year, in 9/10 of those cases the person only had to brandish the weapon where the perp fled. Also 7/10 of those cases involved women, so roughly 1,260,000 assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided simply by women brandishing a weapon. Only 140,000 cases involved women actually firing a weapon during the attack resulting in either the perp fleeing or becoming wounded. Ask those 1,260,000 women how they feel about firearms and safety. The "what if hes on top of me and knocking the gun around" argument is void, just like the "what if a woman is raped and the 8% chance of viable sperm, meeting the 2% chance of the birth control not working, meeting the 5% of the morning after pill not working, and she gets pregnant in a .008% chance" abortion argument that you put forward earlier....

What are you talking about its "Void"? You seem to forget the situation in which women have faced that issue. I'm sick of you statistics that prove nothing. Yeah they say that some women have survived. That doesn't mean anything, their are women who havent shared the same fate and you seem to forget them. You seem to be blind to everything else. Because, other situations happened, AGAINST statistics.

[Raptor22]

What are you talking about its "Void"? You seem to forget the situation in which women have faced that issue. I'm sick of you statistics that prove nothing. Yeah they say that some women have survived. That doesn't mean anything, their are women who havent shared the same fate and you seem to forget them. You seem to be blind to everything else. Because, other situations happened, AGAINST statistics.

No statistics mean that there was more women could have done to prevent the situation, because the most the pregnancy rate should be during rape is .008%.

Oh, and did you even read about the gun statistics?

You are talking in generalities and Im backing my points up with concrete facts and statistics your arguments (basically rhetoric) are baseless.

[Rutherford The Brave]

No statistics mean that there was more women could have done to prevent the situation, because the most the pregnancy rate should be during rape is .008%.

Oh, and did you even read about the gun statistics?

You are talking in generalities and Im backing my points up with concrete facts and statistics your arguments (basically rhetoric) are baseless.

I could say the same thing since you seem once again to forget the people that do not fall within your statistics

[theOperaGhost]

Greg...statistics speak for the majority of situations....Never will EVERY situation you can come up with be prevented or changed. The majority of the time, guns are effective...a few incidents fall through the cracks, but not many. Same with cars for example...the majority of them don't cause fatal 20 vehicle pile ups on the interstate...but these incidents happen none the less.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Greg...statistics speak for the majority of situations....Never will EVERY situation you can come up with be prevented or changed. The majority of the time, guns are effective...a few incidents fall through the cracks, but not many. Same with cars for example...the majority of them don't cause fatal 20 vehicle pile ups on the interstate...but these incidents happen none the less.

Thats what Im stating though, He thinks that he can account for all situations. In doesnt include the situations that fall outside of his statistical range. I do not doubt the effectiveness of guns thats not what I am challenging. I am challenging his arguement, because I reiterate. He forgets that situations that falls out side of that range.

[Sapphire]

You need many hours of training to get a CCW to carry in the first place. As I posted earlier 2,000,000 attempted assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided by firearms every year, in 9/10 of those cases the person only had to brandish the weapon where the perp fled. Also 7/10 of those cases involved women, so roughly 1,260,000 assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided simply by women brandishing a weapon. Only 140,000 cases involved women actually firing a weapon during the attack resulting in either the perp fleeing or becoming wounded. Ask those 1,260,000 women how they feel about firearms and safety. The "what if hes on top of me and knocking the gun around" argument is void, just like the "what if a woman is raped and the 8% chance of viable sperm, meeting the 2% chance of the birth control not working, meeting the 5% of the morning after pill not working, and she gets pregnant in a .008% chance" abortion argument that you put forward earlier....
How many of these attempted rapes were committed by strangers and how many were committed by acquaintances?
Also, your statistics don't specify in which cases the woman involved was the victim and in which she was the criminal.

[The Batman]

No statistics mean that there was more women could have done to prevent the situation, because the most the pregnancy rate should be during rape is .008%.

Oh, and did you even read about the gun statistics?

You are talking in generalities and Im backing my points up with concrete facts and statistics your arguments (basically rhetoric) are baseless.

All of your statistics were about more than just rape though so we can't really see how effective it is against rape if we don't have the numbers for just that. You're talking about robberies, assaults, and rape if we were to split your statistics in to three seperate but equal parts "2,000,000 attempted assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided by firearms every year," turn into alittle more than 600K rapes every year however it's impossible to find the exact number of rapes considering thousands if not more millions of rapes go unreported each year. So you can't really say how effective a gun is against rape since you can't really compare your statistics to anything.

[deadpie]

-Make ALL offenders go through psych. evaluation and therapy when they're imprisoned the first time

Would it surprise you that you'll find more victims in mental hospitals than rapists/offenders? When i had my trips at the hospital, it seemed as if almost everyone in the place was a victim including me.

[Raptor22]

How many of these attempted rapes were committed by strangers and how many were committed by acquaintances?
Also, your statistics don't specify in which cases the woman involved was the victim and in which she was the criminal.

The women were the victims. And as I put earlier 1,260,000 events were put to an end simply by the female victim brandishing (showing) the weapon.

All of your statistics were about more than just rape though so we can't really see how effective it is against rape if we don't have the numbers for just that. You're talking about robberies, assaults, and rape if we were to split your statistics in to three seperate but equal parts "2,000,000 attempted assaults, robberies, and rapes were avoided by firearms every year," turn into alittle more than 600K rapes every year however it's impossible to find the exact number of rapes considering thousands if not more millions of rapes go unreported each year. So you can't really say how effective a gun is against rape since you can't really compare your statistics to anything.

Understood that its not just rape, but firearms are an effective precaution against other things too, and thats not a bad thing. There was 89,000 reported rapes last year, so if 600,000 rapes were prevented thats a good thing. I do believe more than 9% of rapes are reported, so I dont believe that there are 1,000,000 rapes every year, and even if guns hypothetically prevent only 10,000 or 25,000 or 50,000 rapes, that still makes firearms an effective precaution against rape, answering the OPs question. Im sure firearms have prevented more rapes than martial arts, fighting back, vocalizations and whatever other solutions combined.

Thats what Im stating though, He thinks that he can account for all situations. In doesnt include the situations that fall outside of his statistical range. I do not doubt the effectiveness of guns thats not what I am challenging. I am challenging his arguement, because I reiterate. He forgets that situations that falls out side of that range.

I understand that things happen, however if the person does become one of the few that dont reflect the statistics, that means that there was more they could have done because they did something out of the ordinary or didnt protect themselves from winding up in the situation, (like birth control and morning after pills in the other thread).

[Sapphire]

The women were the victims. And as I put earlier 1,260,000 events were put to an end simply by the female victim brandishing (showing) the weapon.How many were committed by strangers and how many were committed by acquaintances?

[Raptor22]

How many were committed by strangers and how many were committed by acquaintances?

Well if the woman has the firearm why would it matter?

Heres the statistics you wanted: http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

[The Batman]

Age of Offenders (Table 39: Rape/Sexual Assault)

15-17 years old: 11%
18-20 years old: 15%
21-29 years old: 26%
30 and over: 45%
Other/unknown: 3%

Relationship of Offender to Victim (Tables 27 and 33)

Well Known: 33%
Casual Acquaintance:31%
Don't Know: 4%
Stranger: 32%
Overall: 65% of offenders were non-strangers

Location of Offense (Table 61)

At victim's home: 36%
Near home: 1%
Friend, Relative, Neighbor's Home: 24%
Other commercial building: 1%
On school property: 8%
Common yard, park, field, playground: 3%
On street other than near home: 9%
Other: 18%

Rape/Sexual Assault reported to police (Tables 91 and 96)

Overall only 38% reported
Age 12-19 reported 33% of the time
Age 20-34 reported 30% of the time
Age 35-49 reported 62% of the time
Age 50-64 reported 37% of the time

Activity of victims at time of incident

Working or on duty: 11%
Going to or from work: 1%
Going to or from school: 3%
Going to or from other place: 4%
At school: 5%
Leisure activity away from home: 29%
Sleeping: 20%
Other activity at home: 25%
Other: 2%

http://www.aardvarc.org/rape/about/statistics.shtml

Here are some statistics and to me it's saying that most rapes are done during times where you usually wouldn't have to worry about carrying a gun and by someone you wouldn't want to pull a gun on.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Thank you, I appreciate those statistics, because they back my claims. Most of rapes in relativity are places where one would feel as though they do not need a gun.

[Raptor22]

http://www.aardvarc.org/rape/about/statistics.shtml

Here are some statistics and to me it's saying that most rapes are done during times where you usually wouldn't have to worry about carrying a gun and by someone you wouldn't want to pull a gun on.

Most with CCWs carry a gun 24/7 because you will never know when it will be necessary. If that person is raping you I think your friendship with the person is probably pretty much over, and you dont have to shoot them in a place where it would kill them either. Shoot them in the junk.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Most with CCWs carry a gun 24/7 because you will never know when it will be necessary. If that person is raping you I think your friendship with the person is probably pretty much over, and you dont have to shoot them in a place where it would kill them either. Shoot them in the junk.

What about the people who do not carry a gun twenty four seven. I do not care about the people who do, tell me about the people who do not.

[The Batman]

Most with CCWs carry a gun 24/7 because you will never know when it will be necessary. If that person is raping you I think your friendship with the person is probably pretty much over, and you dont have to shoot them in a place where it would kill them either. Shoot them in the junk.

I'm not talking about the friendship after the rape I'm talking about before it.

You shouldn't have to be worried about carrying a gun near you if you're just going to be sitting around the house or hanging with friends so most likely you won't.

[deadpie]

Well if the woman has the firearm why would it matter?

Heres the statistics you wanted: http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

All because you have a gun and someone tries to rape you doesn't mean you'll get away with murder.
Aileen Wuornos, a serial killer, shot men that tried to rape her or ask for sex, but she still received the death penalty.


And what type of girl walks around with a gun on a date with her boyfriend just in case if he tries to take advantage?
What kind of child FINDS a gun around the house to hide, just in case if her parents or siblings tries to take advantage?
I mean, be realistic.

[Sapphire]

Well if the woman has the firearm why would it matter?It matters because the majority of rapes are committed by acquaintances. So unless you can tell us about the relationship between the rapists and the victims in those statistics it means nothing because you could be talking about a tiny percentage of rape victims.

Heres the statistics you wanted: http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offendersThey are not the ones I wanted. I already know stats on this topic. I want to know about the ones you were quoting!

Most with CCWs carry a gun 24/7 because you will never know when it will be necessary. If that person is raping you I think your friendship with the person is probably pretty much over, and you dont have to shoot them in a place where it would kill them either. Shoot them in the junk.As someone has already pointed out, why would people be armed when they are alone and watching the TV with their husband or wife?
Why should we all be armed all the time (even while going to sleep) on the off chance of being attacked?

And what type of girl walks around with a gun on a date with her boyfriend just in case if he tries to take advantage?
What kind of child FINDS a gun around the house to hide, just in case if her parents or siblings tries to take advantage?
I mean, be realistic.
Agreed!

[Sage]

And what type of girl walks around with a gun on a date with her boyfriend just in case if he tries to take advantage?

That sounds just like my kinda woman, actually.

[Raptor22]

What about the people who do not carry a gun twenty four seven. I do not care about the people who do, tell me about the people who do not.

Well then that is their choice, just like not taking birth control is their choice, and having (consensual) unprotected sex is a choice. If they would rather be unprotected while being assaulted thats their prerogative.

Many women in my family just have a gun in their purse in case anything happens to them or anybody else. Many have weapons in their nightstand or near their bed. If Sapphire was talking about marital rape thats just ridiculous...

As I put earlier, a firearm isnt appropriate for all circumstances, dont be retarded. But it is effective in many circumstances, and better than being unarmed. My as well go outside naked...

All because you have a gun and someone tries to rape you doesn't mean you'll get away with murder.
Aileen Wuornos, a serial killer, shot men that tried to rape her or ask for sex, but she still received the death penalty.


And what type of girl walks around with a gun on a date with her boyfriend just in case if he tries to take advantage?
What kind of child FINDS a gun around the house to hide, just in case if her parents or siblings tries to take advantage?
I mean, be realistic.

Says the guy from Texas, haha. Hell in your state it is legal to shoot someone just for trespassing on your property, I dont think it would present a problem.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Well then that is their choice, just like not taking birth control is their choice, and having (consensual) unprotected sex is a choice. If they would rather be unprotected while being assaulted thats their prerogative.

Stick to my question please. No one should feel threatened in their own home and in there friends homes. So threatened that they need a gun. That is sad and not fair to anyone. Sorry if I'm not an avid gun entuasiast and sorry I do not feel so scared that I feel the need to carry a gun around.

[Sapphire]

Many women in my family just have a gun in their purse in case anything happens to them or anybody else. Many have weapons in their nightstand or near their bed. If Sapphire was talking about marital rape thats just ridiculous...What's ridiculous about discussing marital rape in this debate?
Stick to my question please. No one should feel threatened in their own home and in there friends homes. So threatened that they need a gun. That is sad and not fair to anyone. Sorry if I'm not an avid gun entuasiast and sorry I do not feel so scared that I feel the need to carry a gun around.
That is too true.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Well then that is their choice, just like not taking birth control is their choice, and having (consensual) unprotected sex is a choice. If they would rather be unprotected while being assaulted thats their prerogative.

Many women in my family just have a gun in their purse in case anything happens to them or anybody else. Many have weapons in their nightstand or near their bed. If Sapphire was talking about marital rape thats just ridiculous...

As I put earlier, a firearm isnt appropriate for all circumstances, dont be retarded. But it is effective in many circumstances, and better than being unarmed. My as well go outside naked...



Says the guy from Texas, haha. Hell in your state it is legal to shoot someone just for trespassing on your property, I dont think it would present a problem.

Then you know what? Ill take my chances by going out naked. You know why? Because I'm not insecure and I do not need a gun to do the stuff I do every day.

[Raptor22]

Stick to my question please. No one should feel threatened in their own home and in there friends homes. So threatened that they need a gun. That is sad and not fair to anyone. Sorry if I'm not an avid gun entuasiast and sorry I do not feel so scared that I feel the need to carry a gun around.

You wouldnt want some sort of weapon in your house in the case you were robbed, or worse? Just last year there was a man in detroit breaking into suburban homes to rape men at gunpoint, now if I would much rather have a gun in that situation than not have one.

What's ridiculous about discussing marital rape in this debate?

That is too true.

That there is no real way to prevent that besides realizing you are marrying a tool.

Then you know what? Ill take my chances by going out naked. You know why? Because I'm not insecure and I do not need a gun to do the stuff I do every day.

And you have every right to make that decision. The argument though that people should not carry guns because they do not fix every situation is like saying people should never use condoms because they arent 100%, or have safety in our cars because people die anyway.

Thats like you asking "Effective precautions against dying in car accidents?" and you attack me because I tell you to wear a seat belt, and you believe that seat belts arent a good idea because people still sometimes die when they wear seat belts. Wearing a seatbelt is still better than not wearing one. Stupidest argument ever.

[deadpie]

Says the guy from Texas, haha. Hell in your state it is legal to shoot someone just for trespassing on your property, I dont think it would present a problem.

Your totally missing the point of what i said. It's like you didn't even read what i posted.
It's like your trying to move this topic into something about gun laws and shit. This is about Precautions against rape, remember the title?

[Sapphire]

That there is no real way to prevent that besides realizing you are marrying a tool.And yet you sit there preaching how guns are so wonderful when it comes to protection and that everyone should be armed all of the time.

[Rutherford The Brave]

You wouldnt want some sort of weapon in your house in the case you were robbed, or worse? Just last year there was a man in detroit breaking into suburban homes to rape men at gunpoint, now if I would much rather have a gun in that situation than not have one.



That there is no real way to prevent that besides realizing you are marrying a tool.



And you have every right to make that decision. The argument though that people should not carry guns because they do not fix every situation is like saying people should never use condoms because they arent 100%, or have safety in our cars because people die anyway.

Thats like you asking "Effective precautions against dying in car accidents?" and you attack me because I tell you to wear a seat belt, and you believe that seat belts arent a good idea because people still sometimes die when they wear seat belts. Wearing a seatbelt is still better than not wearing one. Stupidest argument ever.

That point is moot, the two of them are not similar at all. You should always use a condom, and using a condom is different. You use a condom dispite it not being perfect because you do not want to get pregnant. You use a gun to kill someone. I'm not getting how they are alike.

We are not argueing like that though, seriously I am getting quite sick of this. To quote barney Frank "Its like debating with the Dinner table"

[Raptor22]

Your totally missing the point of what i said. It's like you didn't even read what i posted.
It's like your trying to move this topic into something about gun laws and shit. This is about Precautions against rape, remember the title?

Im saying that even if you do kill someone then it wont be a big deal in most states including yours. There is a thing called self defense, many people are killed during or after rapes. If even one rape is stopped by firearms, they are an effective precaution.

And yet you sit there preaching how guns are so wonderful when it comes to protection and that everyone should be armed all of the time.

I do believe the world will be safer if people will armed, in Florida after 1987 when the first CCW law in the nation was enacted the crime rate fell over 40% in the next 5 years, as opposed to the national rate that increased during that period. This trend was replicated in the majority other states that adopted carry laws. If even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed, just as if even one life is saved by a seatbelt, its an effective precaution. There is no solution that will stop all rapes, or all auto accident deaths, or unwanted pregnancies, or any event from happening. All you can do is what you have control over, and whether you choose to arm yourself is something you have control over. Conversation over.

What part do you not understand?

That point is moot, the two of them are not similar at all. You should always use a condom, and using a condom is different. You use a condom dispite it not being perfect because you do not want to get pregnant. You use a gun to kill someone. I'm not getting how they are alike.

We are not argueing like that though, seriously I am getting quite sick of this. To quote barney Frank "Its like debating with the Dinner table"

Barney Frank is a dipshit, hes a big part of the reason we are in this economic shit in the first place. If you dont see the similarity you need some mental help. This thread asks for effective precautions against rape, that means even if one gun stops even one rape, its an effective precaution whether you like it or not. Lets move on.

[Sapphire]

I do believe the world will be safer if people will armed, in Florida after 1987 when the first CCW law in the nation was enacted the crime rate fell over 40% in the next 5 years, as opposed to the national rate that increased during that period. This trend was replicated in the majority other states that adopted carry laws. If even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed, just as if even one life is saved by a seatbelt, its an effective precaution. There is no solution that will stop all rapes, or all auto accident deaths, or unwanted pregnancies, or any event from happening. All you can do is what you have control over, and whether you choose to arm yourself is something you have control over. Conversation over.

What part do you not understand?I understand what you are saying. I just don't agree with it.

A gun could save one person in a whole year but that does not make up for all the times it kills. Having a gun in the house makes you more likely to be the victim, the perp or the witness of a murder on your own property. Children die every year from playing with their parents guns. The list goes on.

Guns are horrible and I would never even let one in my house.

And before you try telling me that if I were a rape victim then I'd think differently, I have endured it a number of times.

[deadpie]

Im saying that even if you do kill someone then it wont be a big deal in most states including yours. There is a thing called self defense, many people are killed during or after rapes. If even one rape is stopped by firearms, they are an effective precaution.


The possibilities of a victim shooting their offender after the incident is probably very low. Most victims go under shame and blame themselves when it isn't their fault. The offenders threaten the victim by saying things like they would kill their family, kill them, tell the victim they are worthless, etc. The victim is in complete shock. I would know all of this because I'm a victim myself, and I've seen many others and heard their stories.

[Sapphire]

The possibilities of a victim shooting their offender after the incident is probably very low. Most victims go under shame and blame themselves when it isn't their fault. The offenders threaten the victim by saying things like they would kill their family, kill them, tell the victim they are worthless, etc. The victim is in complete shock. I would know all of this because I'm a victim myself, and I've seen many others and heard their stories.
It was the same for me too.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Im saying that even if you do kill someone then it wont be a big deal in most states including yours. There is a thing called self defense, many people are killed during or after rapes. If even one rape is stopped by firearms, they are an effective precaution.



I do believe the world will be safer if people will armed, in Florida after 1987 when the first CCW law in the nation was enacted the crime rate fell over 40% in the next 5 years, as opposed to the national rate that increased during that period. This trend was replicated in the majority other states that adopted carry laws. If even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed, just as if even one life is saved by a seatbelt, its an effective precaution. There is no solution that will stop all rapes, or all auto accident deaths, or unwanted pregnancies, or any event from happening. All you can do is what you have control over, and whether you choose to arm yourself is something you have control over. Conversation over.

What part do you not understand?



Barney Frank is a dipshit, hes a big part of the reason we are in this economic shit in the first place. If you dont see the similarity you need some mental help. This thread asks for effective precautions against rape, that means even if one gun stops even one rape, its an effective precaution whether you like it or not. Lets move on.

I never said that Barney frank was a good guy.

Getting to the point, I do not need mental help. I do not see the similarity between a cotraceptive, and a firearm. It doesn't make sense, one protects and another kills. I'm not seeing it at all.

[Raptor22]

I understand what you are saying. I just don't agree with it.

A gun could save one person in a whole year but that does not make up for all the times it kills. Having a gun in the house makes you more likely to be the victim, the perp or the witness of a murder on your own property. Children die every year from playing with their parents guns. The list goes on.

Guns are horrible and I would never even let one in my house.

And before you try telling me that if I were a rape victim then I'd think differently, I have endured it a number of times.

Firearms have been shown to have no correlation to murder and suicide rates:

From Harvard University: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I apologize that you have had those experiences, I truly am. :(

You keep your kids from messing with them by teaching them weapons discipline at a very young age.

Weapons in the home have been shown to be a smart investment in home defense it still takes 7 minutes for the police to arrive to the average call.

Heres an idea, get a very convincing airsoft pellet gun (shoots plastic pellets) so if 9/10 attacks were thwarted by only brandishing the weapon, a fake one should be convincing enough to ward someone off. And even if you do have to shoot them with it, it wont kill them, it will just hurt like a bitch... :P

The possibilities of a victim shooting their offender after the incident is probably very low. Most victims go under shame and blame themselves when it isn't their fault. The offenders threaten the victim by saying things like they would kill their family, kill them, tell the victim they are worthless, etc. The victim is in complete shock. I would know all of this because I'm a victim myself, and I've seen many others and heard their stories.

Then the victim would display the weapon before the attack.

I never said that Barney frank was a good guy.

Getting to the point, I do not need mental help. I do not see the similarity between a cotraceptive, and a firearm. It doesn't make sense, one protects and another kills. I'm not seeing it at all.

They are both devices used to reduce the likelyhood of an unpleasant outcome, not using the device because it doenst have a 100% success rate is in both cases very stupid.

[deadpie]

Then the victim would display the weapon before the attack.


I've said this before I'm sure, but not everyone walks around with a gun afraid to be randomly attacked.

[Raptor22]

I've said this before I'm sure, but not everyone walks around with a gun afraid to be randomly attacked.

Alot of people do and its their choice. If anyone at Virginia Tech had a weapon when the massacre happened two years ago, two dozen people still be alive.

What point are you guys arguing? That guns have never been effective in stopping rapes (which I have shown repeatedly is not true)? What?

[Rutherford The Brave]

Firearms have been shown to have no correlation to murder and suicide rates:

From Harvard University: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I apologize that you have had those experiences, I truly am. :(

You keep your kids from messing with them by teaching them weapons discipline at a very young age.

Weapons in the home have been shown to be a smart investment in home defense it still takes 7 minutes for the police to arrive to the average call.

Heres an idea, get a very convincing airsoft pellet gun (shoots plastic pellets) so if 9/10 attacks were thwarted by only brandishing the weapon, a fake one should be convincing enough to ward someone off. And even if you do have to shoot them with it, it wont kill them, it will just hurt like a bitch... :P



Then the victim would display the weapon before the attack.



They are both devices used to reduce the likelyhood of an unpleasant outcome, not using the device because it doenst have a 100% success rate is in both cases very stupid.

using a gun for anything is stupid, because it has the capability of killing many people. Easily. It's not like you put a condom on and say, Oh wow I might kill my future children by wearing this, I might not want to wear it. However with a gun, its like do I fire it while this man is raping me and pray to god it hits him somewhere to kill him, but not kill anyone else. That there is a huge difference. Not a similarity.

[Raptor22]

using a gun for anything is stupid, not because it has the capability of killing many people. Easily. It's not like you put a condom on and say, Oh wow I might kill my future children by wearing this, I might not want to wear it. However with a gun, its like do I fire it while this man is raping me and pray to god it hits him somewhere to kill him, but not kill anyone else. That there is a huge difference. Not a similarity.

Guns prevent rapes. Bottom line. If you choose to not protect yourself you'd better hope to god nothing happens to you.

There are too many crazy motherfuckers in this world, I think that's something we both can agree on. :)

[Rutherford The Brave]

Guns prevent rapes. Bottom line. If you choose to not protect yourself you'd better hope to god nothing happens to you.

There are too many crazy motherfuckers in this world, I think that's something we both can agree on. :)

Killing someone prevents a rape, and yes there are too many people that are like that. But I'm saying that no one should ever feel like they need to carry something of that magnitude, just to go down the street. I know you can get more with a gun than a kind word, but we are not barbarians anymore. We do not need wepons to solve our problems.

[deadpie]

Alot of people do and its their choice. If anyone at Virginia Tech had a weapon when the massacre happened two years ago, two dozen people still be alive.

What point are you guys arguing? That guns have never been effective in stopping rapes (which I have shown repeatedly is not true)? What?

No, a gun doesn't solve rape, and it surely doesn't stop a victim from developing PTSD after being abused.

And how would a gun come in handy when a six year old boy is being raped by two babysitters everyday of his life while being told if he tells anyone his parents would be murdered in front of him, then him? Actually what precautions are their for any child that young? I have a need for getting very personal now.

The only precaution i can ever think of that would work most of the time is to look for red flags, but usually a offender knows what they're getting into.

[Sapphire]

Firearms have been shown to have no correlation to murder and suicide rates:

From Harvard University: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I apologize that you have had those experiences, I truly am. :(

You keep your kids from messing with them by teaching them weapons discipline at a very young age.

Weapons in the home have been shown to be a smart investment in home defense it still takes 7 minutes for the police to arrive to the average call.

Heres an idea, get a very convincing airsoft pellet gun (shoots plastic pellets) so if 9/10 attacks were thwarted by only brandishing the weapon, a fake one should be convincing enough to ward someone off. And even if you do have to shoot them with it, it wont kill them, it will just hurt like a bitch... :PI never said that guns cause people to murder or commit suicide. But a house with a gun in it is "three times more likely to be the site of a homicide than a home without guns".

-- From http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/9/Gun-control.html

And owning a gun and educating children on gun safety do not automatically make you or your family safer - see http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/guns.htm

What if I've taught my kids not to touch a gun if they find one?
A number of studies [9] (http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/gunsc.htm#edn9), [10 (http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/gunsc.htm#edn10)], [11 (http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/gunsc.htm#edn11)], [12 (http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/gunsc.htm#edn12)], suggest that even kids who are trained not to touch guns can't resist, and that parents have unrealistic expectations about their kids' behavior around guns. That's why parents are encouraged to keep guns unloaded and locked separately from ammunition , and to ask about guns at the houses where their children play. Here are links to the full text or abstracts of the studies:

What do boys do when they find a real gun? (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/107/6/1247)
"They're Too Smart for That": Predicting What Children Would Do in the Presence of Guns (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/2/e109)
Teaching firearm safety to children: Failure of a program (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11943968)
A firearm safety program for children: They just can't say no (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8856516)

-- From http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/guns.htm#risk
So to go back to what you were saying with "if even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed". It isn't an effective precaution because of all the heightened risks that are involved in owning a gun.

[Raptor22]

No, a gun doesn't solve rape, and it surely doesn't stop a victim from developing PTSD after being abused.

And how would a gun come in handy when a six year old boy is being raped by two babysitters everyday of his life while being told if he tells anyone his parents would be murdered in front of him, then him? Actually what precautions are their for any child that young? I have a need for getting very personal now.

The only precaution i can ever think of that would work most of the time is to look for red flags, but usually a offender knows what they're getting into.

I never said guns were the fix for all situations, however they are an effective precaution against rape. Its the same as wearing seatbelts is a precaution against dying in a car, but yes it still happens.

I never said that guns cause people to murder or commit suicide. But a house with a gun in it is "three times more likely to be the site of a homicide than a home without guns".

-- From http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/9/Gun-control.html

And owning a gun and educating children on gun safety do not automatically make you or your family safer - see http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/guns.htm

So to go back to what you were saying with "if even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed". It isn't an effective precaution because of all the heightened risks that are involved in owning a gun.

My point is access to firearms makes no difference in murder and suicide rates in industrialized countries. I sure as hell would want to protect my kids from some derainged motherfucker on PCP who broke into my house to steal my shit and rob me to get another fix...

I aint waiting 10 minutes for the cops to come and find our bodies.

[Sapphire]

My point is access to firearms makes no difference in murder and suicide rates in industrialized countries. I sure as hell would want to protect my kids from some derainged motherfucker on PCP who broke into my house to steal my shit and rob me to get another fix...

I aint waiting 10 minutes for the cops to come and find our bodies.That's funny because I could swear that your point was (only a few posts ago) that "if even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed" - nothing to do with murder/suicide rates...

[Raptor22]

That's funny because I could swear that your point was (only a few posts ago) that "if even one rape is prevented by firearms, then it is an effective precaution compared to being unarmed" - nothing to do with murder/suicide rates...

My point was that I answered the question posed by the thread. Its an effective precaution against some if not most rapes?

You brought up guns in the home and linked to something saying how many people they kill. There is no correlation between the two.

[deadpie]

I sure as hell would want to protect my kids from some derainged motherfucker on PCP who broke into my house to steal my shit and rob me to get another fix...

I aint waiting 10 minutes for the cops to come and find our bodies.

I'd like to see statistics of that happening. Phencyclidine causes hallucinations, huge increase in energy, severe confusion, sometimes seizures, and paranoia. A person on PCP would be in such a fucked up state of mind they probably wouldn't know how to break into a house without making a huge scene.
A person using PCP would probably just kill the closest person near them, or even themselves.
Big Lurch, a popular rap star, stabbed a woman and ate her lungs while under the influence of PCP. When asked why, he answers "All I remember, is that the world was ending, and I had to kill the devil."

[Raptor22]

I'd like to see statistics of that happening. Phencyclidine causes hallucinations, huge increase in energy, severe confusion, sometimes seizures, and paranoia. A person on PCP would be in such a fucked up state of mind they probably wouldn't know how to break into a house without making a huge scene.
A person using PCP would probably just kill the closest person near them, or even themselves.
Big Lurch, a popular rap star, stabbed a woman and ate her lungs while under the influence of PCP. When asked why, he answers "All I remember, is that the world was ending, and I had to kill the devil."

Substitute any drug that induces rage, or has drastic enough withdrawals.

[Sapphire]

My point was that I answered the question posed by the thread. Its an effective precaution against some if not most rapes?The one batch of stats you gave included two other common crimes, allowed for no distinction between the three of them and you couldn't put them into proper context because it doesn't comment on the relationship between the rapists and the victims prior to the attack.
So, no you haven't shown that it is an effective precaution.

You brought up guns in the home and linked to something saying how many people they kill. There is no correlation between the two.
I highlighted the increased likelihood of witnessing, committing or being the victim of a murder simply by the presence of a gun in the house. I also gave the link to support that statistic.
I also highlighted that owning a gun poses a great risk when it comes to children and I gave links to support that.
I then used these to assert that if guns stop one rape a year from occurring, it is not an effective precaution because of the associated heightened risks with owning a gun.

[Raptor22]

The one batch of stats you gave included two other common crimes, allowed for no distinction between the three of them and you couldn't put them into proper context because it doesn't comment on the relationship between the rapists and the victims prior to the attack.
So, no you haven't shown that it is an effective precaution.


I highlighted the increased likelihood of witnessing, committing or being the victim of a murder simply by the presence of a gun in the house. I also gave the link to support that statistic.
I also highlighted that owning a gun poses a great risk when it comes to children and I gave links to support that.
I then used these to assert that if guns stop one rape a year from occurring, it is not an effective precaution because of the associated heightened risks with owning a gun.

Fine, but this thread has nothing to do with murders or children. Do you disagree that guns have even prevented a rape?

[Sapphire]

Fine, but this thread has nothing to do with murders or children.To judge whether a deadly weapon is worth having, you have to look at the risks of owning it and not just possible benefits so what I was saying is relevant.
Do you disagree that guns have even prevented a rape?No. But they are dangerous to own and I don't think that the protection from rape they provide is significant enough.

[The Batman]

Fine, but this thread has nothing to do with murders or children. Do you disagree that guns have even prevented a rape?

It's a sad world where when someone needs protection the only thing brought up is to carry a gun. I swear if someone is trying to rape you then you should learn how to kick their ass any idiot can shoot a gun but someone smart enough to think they have a gun can take it from them or get them in a position where they can't get to it. A rapist wants someone weak that can't protect themself so if you learn self defense and how to react when someone tries it then you are showing them that they have nothing over you. If you're afraid someone is going to rape you then be my guest and by a gun(I just hope they won't get to it before you do) but if you want to be able to actually protect yourself and stand up against the guy then learn self-defense and protect kick his ass if he tries it.

[theOperaGhost]

using a gun for anything is stupid, because it has the capability of killing many people. Easily. It's not like you put a condom on and say, Oh wow I might kill my future children by wearing this, I might not want to wear it. However with a gun, its like do I fire it while this man is raping me and pray to god it hits him somewhere to kill him, but not kill anyone else. That there is a huge difference. Not a similarity.

1) If you're being raped, I'm pretty sure the rapist has to be within about 6 or 7 inches from you...if you can successfully miss the rapist AND kill someone else...that is pretty god damn impressive.

[Rutherford The Brave]

1) If you're being raped, I'm pretty sure the rapist has to be within about 6 or 7 inches from you...if you can successfully miss the rapist AND kill someone else...that is pretty god damn impressive.

It would be and it would be a sad way to go. "How'd you die?" "Well this girl across the street was getting raped, she pulled out her gun and shot. Bam hit me right in the dome."

[theOperaGhost]

It would be and it would be a sad way to go. "How'd you die?" "Well this girl across the street was getting raped, she pulled out her gun and shot. Bam hit me right in the dome."

There's a better chance of getting in a car crash, getting struck by lightning, and getting attacked by a shark all in the same day then there is of getting accidentally shot by a woman getting raped across the street. Could it happen? Absolutely...but the chances are so god damn small that I'm willing to take that chance. You make it sound like guns are the only things in the world that can cause an accidental death. This is far from the fact when vehicles are MUCH more likely to cause an accidental death than a single gunshot. It really doesn't take any training or even a very high mental capacity to shoot a target that is merely yards away...a rape situation is obviously going to mean very close quarters. It would be very unlikely for you to miss your target AND hit someone else far away...

Your point is for the most part completely pointless.

[Raptor22]

There's a better chance of getting in a car crash, getting struck by lightning, and getting attacked by a shark all in the same day then there is of getting accidentally shot by a woman getting raped across the street. Could it happen? Absolutely...but the chances are so god damn small that I'm willing to take that chance. You make it sound like guns are the only things in the world that can cause an accidental death. This is far from the fact when vehicles are MUCH more likely to cause an accidental death than a single gunshot. It really doesn't take any training or even a very high mental capacity to shoot a target that is merely yards away...a rape situation is obviously going to mean very close quarters. It would be very unlikely for you to miss your target AND hit someone else far away...

Your point is for the most part completely pointless.

Agreed, if someone was that close and didnt do anything about someone getting raped, thats a sad world to live in.