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woody92
December 29th, 2009, 07:39 PM
ALL POSTS ARE WELCOMED!! I HAVE NOW SORTED THE FONT PROBLEMS!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091229/wl_afp/britainchinacrimedrugsexecution_20091229194328

China executed a Briton said to have serious mental health problems for drug smuggling despite last-minute pleas Tuesday 29th of December for clemency, drawing furious condemnation from London, the EU and rights groups.

Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "appalled and disappointed" by the execution of Akmal Shaikh, a 53-year-old father-of-three who according to supporters had bipolar disorder. His family expressed grief and asked for privacy.

China confirmed the execution and defended its use of capital punishment as a deterrent, saying evidence of Shaikh's mental illness was "insufficient". It said it hoped London would not "create new obstacles" to diplomatic ties.

Shaikh is the first European national executed in China in 50 years, according to theLondon-based charityReprieve (http://www.reprieve.org.uk/), which had provided him with legal counsel.

Reprieve (http://www.reprieve.org.uk/)said China had ignored "overwhelming and unrebutted evidence" of his condition.
A statement by the Swedish presidency of the European Union said: "The European Union condemns in the strongest terms the execution of Akmal Shaikh.”

"It deeply regrets the fact that China has not heeded the repeated calls by the European Union and one of its member states" for Shaikh's death sentence to be commuted, it added.

London had launched an 11th-hour appeal for clemency, urging Beijing to "do the right thing" by halting the execution in Urumqi, capital of the far-western Xinjiang region.

But Shaikh was executed on Tuesday by lethal injection, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Brown vented his anger, saying: "I condemn the execution of Akmal Shaikh in the strongest terms, and am appalled and disappointed that our persistent requests for clemency have not been granted.
"I am particularly concerned that no mental health assessment was undertaken."
Chinese ambassador Fu Ying was summoned to Britain's Foreign Office.

"I had a difficult conversation with the Chinese ambassador today," said junior foreign minister Ivan Lewis.

"I made clear that the execution of Mr Shaikh was totally unacceptable and that China had failed in its basic human rights responsibilities in this case."

"China needs to understand it will only ever achieve full respect around the world when it subscribes to basic standards of human rights," he told Sky News television.

Shaikh, from London, was arrested in September 2007 in Urumqi after arriving from Tajikistan with four kilograms (about nine pounds) of heroin. Campaigners say a criminal gang duped him into carrying the drugs into China.

He was sentenced to death in December 2008 and lost his final appeal earlier this year in China's Supreme Court, officials say.
Two of his cousins visited him in Urumqi on Monday and told him of his fate. Reprieve said it was the first time he had seen a family member in two years.

The family issued a short statement expressing "grief at the Chinese decision to refuse mercy" and thanking supporters who had created a Facebook group and staged a vigil in London Monday.

Related article: China, the world's biggest user of death penalty
Reprieve said it had medical evidence that Shaikh suffered from a delusion that he was going to China to record a hit single that would usher in world peace.

They had produced new witnesses Monday to back that version of events.

One, Briton Paul Newberry, was quoted by Reprieve as saying Shaikh "was clearly suffering from delusions and it seemed to me he was a particularly severe case of manic depressive."

It was the second time in less than a week that China's judiciary had come under fire in the West, after top dissident Liu Xiaobo was jailed for 11 years on December 25 for subversion.

China's Supreme Court said the evidence of Shaikh's mental illness was "insufficient", according to the central government's website.

It justified the use of capital punishment saying: "To use the death penalty for extremely threatening and serious crimes involving drugs is beneficial to instilling fear and preventing drug crimes."

Foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said Shaikh's rights had been "fully protected".

China treated "criminals of all nationalities as equals" in combating the drugs trade, she added.
"We hope the British side will face this case squarely and not create new obstacles for China-Britain relations," she added.

A Hong Kong spokeswoman for global rights watchdogAmnesty International (http://www.amnesty.org/en), Roseann Rife, called the execution a "slap in the face of the international community."
It showed Beijing's "disregard for the rule of law", she added.

Do you think this is fair?

Do you think it should be allowed?

Do you think China was in the wrong?

Yahoo, news!! All Rights Reserved!

trouble
December 29th, 2009, 07:45 PM
this thread just made me dizzy.....:)

Perseus
December 29th, 2009, 07:49 PM
tl;dr because of that font and size, please change it. Change and I'll read it and give my opinion.

woody92
December 29th, 2009, 08:00 PM
I know sorry but idk y but befor i posted it and now it wont let me change the font i am going to talk to an mod see if they can help!

Sapphire
December 29th, 2009, 08:03 PM
That's outrageous!!

woody92
December 29th, 2009, 08:06 PM
That's outrageous!!

what is the font or the chinese?

Sapphire
December 29th, 2009, 08:12 PM
what is the font or the chinese?
Lol. The font is ok though the colour makes it a bit hard on the eyes.

The actions of the Chinese were outrageous!
They have taken away a man's life. A man who was a husband, a father and a son. A man who was suffering from a very serious and debilitating disorder. A man who clearly wasn't completely aware of reality.
Dispicable, unforgivable and cruel...

woody92
December 29th, 2009, 08:17 PM
I totaly AGREE! REP+

UPDATE: FONT CHANGED THANKS TO Sapphire's help!!

KaelKaos
December 29th, 2009, 08:55 PM
How horrible. The Chinese's excuse for executing the man are sub-par. And in them saying there wasn't "sufficient evidence" to his mental disability, it's obvious they put little to no effort in caring, as I'm sure Britain could've have gotten his medical file to them one way or another.

It's so sad that this has happened, I really feel for the family.

woody92
December 29th, 2009, 09:09 PM
The WORST thing is, in my opinion, is that he was first arrested in 2007!! we are now in 2009!! thats 2 YEARS in a prison thats not EVEN in his own country so I have little (if not any) respect for the chinese goverment at the moment!! Sorry if I offend someone but thats how I feel!

KaelKaos
December 29th, 2009, 09:14 PM
The WORST thing is, in my opinion, is that he was first arrested in 2007!! we are now in 2009!! thats 2 YEARS in a prison thats not EVEN in his own country so I have little (if not any) respect for the chinese goverment at the moment!! Sorry if I offend someone but thats how I feel!

I haven't lost respect for their government, what they do seems to be very effective, but, I feel that they've unfairly taken this man's life. And it's sad knowing there's nothing we can do.

Sapphire
December 29th, 2009, 09:21 PM
The WORST thing is, in my opinion, is that he was first arrested in 2007!! we are now in 2009!! thats 2 YEARS in a prison thats not EVEN in his own country so I have little (if not any) respect for the chinese goverment at the moment!! Sorry if I offend someone but thats how I feel!If I am to be blunt, I don't respect systems of government that implement the death penalty at all.
Everyone has the right to life and stripping one person of that right doesn't make anything "right" nor does it "pay" for their crime(s) - in my opinion, of course.

I haven't lost respect for their government, what they do seems to be very effective, but, I feel that they've unfairly taken this man's life. And it's sad knowing there's nothing we can do.
How does it seem to be effective?

KaelKaos
December 29th, 2009, 09:23 PM
If I am to be blunt, I don't respect systems of government that implement the death penalty at all.
Everyone has the right to life and stripping one person of that right doesn't make anything "right" nor does it "pay" for their crime(s) - in my opinion, of course.


How does it seem to be effective?

China's economy has been growing 8% annually, the largest in the world even with the economic recession. They must be doing something right.

Sapphire
December 29th, 2009, 09:28 PM
China's economy has been growing 8% annually, the largest in the world even with the economic recession. They must be doing something right.
How do you know that it's the death penalty that they have right though?
There are a whole host of countries that enforce it but their economies aren't following that upward trend.

Or have I misread your post?

KaelKaos
December 29th, 2009, 09:33 PM
How do you know that it's the death penalty that they have right though?
There are a whole host of countries that enforce it but their economies aren't following that upward trend.

Or have I misread your post?

Oh no no, we're not on the same page here. :D

When I meant is that I haven't lost respect for China's government, what they do economically is effective.

That was completely different from the usage of the death penalty. I am a firm believer that the death penalty is cruel and China's usage of it is inexcusable.

Sorry for the confusion. :P

Sapphire
December 29th, 2009, 09:37 PM
Ahh, ok - well at least we are on the same page now lol

INFERNO
December 29th, 2009, 09:49 PM
I'm not a fan of the death penalty for any crime, especially if the culprit wasn't in the right state of mind. Had the man not had the psychiatric problems, then I'd be more accepting of China's acts although still not completely supporting them. I previously thought that although China was pretty death-penalty-happy, if the culprit wasn't in the right state of mind due to psychiatric illness, that they wouldn't do the death sentence. I'm pretty amazed and shocked at the same time, and this certainly isn't helping the negative perception they receive from other countries.

woody92
December 30th, 2009, 05:32 AM
I'm not a fan of the death penalty for any crime, especially if the culprit wasn't in the right state of mind. Had the man not had the psychiatric problems, then I'd be more accepting of China's acts although still not completely supporting them. I previously thought that although China was pretty death-penalty-happy, if the culprit wasn't in the right state of mind due to psychiatric illness, that they wouldn't do the death sentence. I'm pretty amazed and shocked at the same time, and this certainly isn't helping the negative perception they receive from other countries.

REP+ I know we have our doffrences but what you say does make sence! A lot of sence!

Thanks to eveyone who has posted!

Perseus
December 30th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Wow, that is pretty messed up. I mean, they kill a foreigner just because he comes into the country with drugs, don't listen to the please of Europe for clemency, and other such things. China is gonna be getting a lot of shit for this, that's for sure.

woody92
December 30th, 2009, 09:02 AM
Wow, that is pretty messed up. I mean, they kill a foreigner just because he comes into the country with drugs, don't listen to the please of Europe for clemency, and other such things. China is gonna be getting a lot of shit for this, that's for sure.

Yep I think they will. AND I hope they do!

Triceratops
December 30th, 2009, 09:42 AM
I saw this on the news earlier, and to be honest, I am absolutely gobsmacked. That's fucking disgusting!

Not only am I pissed off in terms of the Chinese government completely overlooking the clemency, but holding a mentally ill man imprisoned for two years and then taking his life away from him - words can't express how appalled I am. The whole "insufficient" excuse in regards to the man's condition is ridiculous; it almost seems as if they held little concern towards it.

The Chinese government's decisions are not only inexcusable, they're just downright atrocious and contemptible to the highest.

2D
December 30th, 2009, 10:54 AM
Lulz, China is the worlds pimp. Man, my brother had the right idea. He's living there and about to marry his Chinese girlfriend and is planning on opening a restaurant in a few years.

Sapphire
December 30th, 2009, 04:30 PM
Lulz, China is the worlds pimp. Man, my brother had the right idea. He's living there and about to marry his Chinese girlfriend and is planning on opening a restaurant in a few years.
China isn't a particularly good place to live tbh.
The government do not give their people the freedoms they should - in fact only a few months ago they placed very hefty censors on things they could view and ways in which the Chinese could communicate with others from overseas. That's not to mention how the police are used, the authorities use of torture and the repression of those who dissent.

pol852
December 30th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Kill the man, killers and such should be killed

Sapphire
December 30th, 2009, 08:30 PM
Kill the man, killers and such should be killed
Fantastic reasoning there!

/sarcasm

KaelKaos
December 30th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Kill the man, killers and such should be killed

Kill the man who smuggled the drugs?

I don't understand what you're trying to say. :what:

INFERNO
December 31st, 2009, 04:35 PM
Kill the man, killers and such should be killed

So you're just an all around supporter of killing, aren't you? I'm curious, what is your reasoning for this?

woody92
December 31st, 2009, 05:29 PM
Kill the man, killers and such should be killed

I dont think, you understand what be arrested and locked up for two years, in a country thats not your own, and then he also had mental problems. And now think of his family, what they went through knowing that he had mental problems, knowing that he would be scared, knowing they could not do anything to help him, knowing that he could be killed............ and on.....

so i dont understand u! I think thats a really NASTY thing to say!:mad: