IS marijuana actually worse for you then beer or cigarretes?

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

IS marijuana actually worse for you then beer or cigarretes? It may not be true, becasue considering death rates relate to each one and the fact that ppl who smoke weed wont smoke as much weed per day as the average smoker and weed is supposed to make you happy and beer depresses you and fucks up your liver HTINK B4 YOU ANSWER

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

I am asking about your average of each person i mean if u smoked as much weed as ppl do cigarettes your bill would be about 1000$ a week

[boognish]

well if you had a smoker smoke as much weed in a week as a weed smoker smokes, do you think they wouldnt be in a nicotine fit?

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

i am talking your averag doper and average beer and or smoker

[Julio caesar shavez the 4]

ya somppl say it worse then cigs or beer but you still takeing in smoke when you when doing both so i dont see how one is worse then the other but cigs have a lot wors shit in them

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

OK NOW THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN PAST THE BULL HIT IN REAL LIFE WITH ACTUAL AVERAGES WHAT DO YOU THINK

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

gow though weed ahs no tobbaco or other chemicals in it weed is jsut a plant mixed with nothing

[boognish]

umm, the unbiased studies show that marijuana is in fact not bad for you. and may also prevent alhimezrs....

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

HEHEH I love being right!

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

no thats called acid/heroin/shrooms/extasy ect. weed jsut make everthign ionteresting and shiny acordding to my friend Will

[boognish]

that is other drugs. marijuana chills you out so much you cant do any of those things. you are more likely to jump off a building cause you couldnt by cigerettes and get nicotine, then you are to say shoot your self while high. marijuana actually helps short term memory.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

also dont you think the world would be a whole lot better if beer and cigs were replaced with weed? then we would put down the guns and feel fine

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

exactly and just so evry1 remembers there is a poll here

[boognish]

im not a mod here...but like sarah...the mod for here....said it has so many less harmfull thingys in it

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

its worse. beer and cigarettes arent illegal, are they?

[boognish]

okay i'll move it when i'm done eating some special brownies j/k i love those types of browinies. my dad told me how to get weed extract. you know the cooking stuff

[phantom420]

its worse. beer and cigarettes arent illegal, are they?

No, it isn't. Alcohol and Cigaretts have both caused deaths, while Marijuana has caused none, so I fail to see how you could possibly think it's worse.

[Shaolin]

its worse. beer and cigarettes arent illegal, are they?

Whow. You just won the award for dumbest idiot ever.

Alcohol and Tobacoo and legal because if they weren't legal the economy would plummit. Also cannabis cannot be patented, its a plant, so the government cant make much money from producing it.

Studies show that cannabis is less harmful to the body than alcohol. However cannabis is more carinogenic than tobacco, so smoking one joint is actually worse than smoking one cigarette of equivalent proportions.

However when people smoke joints it's usually 1 - 5 maximum. I smoke 10 cigarettes a day even more.

Alcohol can kill your liver, kill you is addictive and thousands of people die from it's use every year.

Cannabis kills no one, except from smoke related illness, but whose to say you can't eat. You cannot Over dose on cannabis, there is no danger to any vital organs when smoking cannabis.

Yes government funded studies are a source of lies.

[Shaolin]

mary jane is better for you than cigarettes or beer because it doesn't have tar, niccotine, or any of those other chemicals and joint smoke is less heavy than tobacco. Don't forget tobacco is poisonous for you to eat but marijuana isn't.

WRONG!

Cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco. That means it is more unhealthy for you than tobacco.

Tobacco also is not 'poisonous' for you to eat.

Also you cannot compare marijuana deaths to tobacco deaths, tobacco deaths are not related to overdosing on the chemical nicotene, but lung/heart related. Cannabis, when smoked, has a more unhealthy impact on your body than tobacco smoke. So you can't compare the two, people who smoked cannabis may have died from lung cancer, but that may not have been what cuased their lung cancer.

No one knows any causes,.

[boognish]

well she means if you were to swallow tobacco

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

WRONG!

Cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco. That means it is more unhealthy for you than tobacco.

Tobacco also is not 'poisonous' for you to eat.


Bullshit Shaolin, if its bad why do you preach for its legality in the debate forum.

"So you can't compare the two, people who smoked cannabis may have died from lung cancer, but that may not have been what cuased their lung cancer.
"

Your so full of it, people dont just get lung cancer for no reason. its not something thats contageous. you only get lung cancer from doing something you shouldnt be, like smoking pot.

[Shaolin]

WRONG!

Cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco. That means it is more unhealthy for you than tobacco.

Tobacco also is not 'poisonous' for you to eat.


Bullshit Shaolin, if its bad why do you preach for its legality in the debate forum.

"So you can't compare the two, people who smoked cannabis may have died from lung cancer, but that may not have been what cuased their lung cancer.
"

Your so full of it, people dont just get lung cancer for no reason. its not something thats contageous. you only get lung cancer from doing something you shouldnt be, like smoking pot.

Preach for it's legality? Im just offering my opinion, am i not entitled to one?

I think you need to educate yourself alittle bit more. You seem pretty oblivious to the fact that im giving out real facts here, people need the truth not the crap you think you know your talking about.


"Bullshit Shaolin, if its bad why do you preach for its legality in the debate forum. "

Because unlike the government and you, i back myself up with fact. I know cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco, but then again that's illegal unregulated cannabis. Also you can EAT cannabis, even IV it with chemical THC.

I sitll think it should be legal, along with all drugs regardless of their damage to the human body, you can buy enough prescription drugs that are dangerous, and get you high.

"Your so full of it, people dont just get lung cancer for no reason. its not something thats contageous. you only get lung cancer from doing something you shouldnt be, like smoking pot"

GOTO SCHOOL!! - I was stating that you can't compare tobacco deeths to cannbis deaths. They had tobacco deaths and 0 cannabis deaths. I was pointing out that you can't compare the two death rates because cannabis is more unhealthy for hte lungs than nicotene, but you can't tell if they died from smoking with lung cancer. If we knew the cause of cancer, we would have the cure by now.

Your pretty stupid, there is no definite link between smoking and lung cancer, no one can prove exactly what mechanism in the body causes cancer. Yes there is tremendous amounts of evidence ot show that smoking anything can contribute to cancer of the lungs,


Now please, don't post unless you ahve something valid and backed up with real FACTS to contribute. Otherwise your just adding your stupid conservative bullshit propaganda.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

wow smoke pot live your life get stoned :)

[boognish]

Tobacco also is not 'poisonous' for you to eat.
swollow 20 cigs and tell me if you dont die. tobacco is acidic right? it would eat out your stomache. you would die

[Shaolin]

Everything is acid or alkylic. Oranges and apples are acidic. I doubt tobacco is very acidic.

Yes tobacco can be toxic and can kill you in high doses. There is also the same risk with anything from potatos to cannabis. The differene between cannabis and alcohol is, you can reach a toxic dose of alcohol from one bottle of whisky in 5minutes of drinking the whole thing at once, however the body processes cannabis faster than you can smoke or eat neough to die. It's not impossible, but you would have to smoke a huge huge amount to die from cannabis toxicity.

Cosmos go read. Alcohol is more dangerous tjhan cannabis. Nicotene is actually good for your mind, probably better for your mind than cannabis. But for your body it is far more addictive than cannabis. Nicotene has a neuroprotective effect, it can protect your mind. Cannabis has this effect also, but it is vastly unresearch and it also can have adverse effects on the mind.

Unlike the government, i wont lie. ive read the facts from both side of the debate, not recently but over like 2 years. Ive read enough fale and true information and ive seen enough horror stories, ive also experianced in myself and addiction, i know what drugs do to you. Unless you have been in that position you cannot judge.

Saying drugs are bad, without ever trying them, is called prjudice.

[boognish]

shaolin, do you have any idea what would happen if you have even 5 drops of pure nicotine?

[Shaolin]

Oh pure nicotene, i thought we were talking about eating cigarettes. :lol:

Of course pure nicotene, in liquid chemical form would definatly kill you if you had several drops of it.

Alot of legal drugs are far more dangerous than the most dangerous illegal drugs.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

prove me the government lies. thats right, you cant.

[Shaolin]

prove me the government lies. thats right, you cant.

The watergate scandel. Monica Lewinsky Scandel. The Iraq War....the list goes on.

Heres some myths the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) commonly ommit.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/dea/pubs/sayit/myths.htm

http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/argument/myths.html

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

wow you stupid fool, i meant prove me wrong the governemnt lies about the effects of drugs, not clinton's affair, u stupid idiot. oh and lets think.

Who am i going to believe, the National Institute of Drug Abuse, or completely biased websites that argue for the legality of substances that harm the body

[boognish]

here is a good example of why not to trust the gov't studies. gov't studies:
asbestos= good :)
a bomb= good :)
tin housing= good :)
tin piping= good :)
lead based paint= :)
drugs= bad :(
alcohol= good :)
alcohol now= bad-ish :?
the gov't has been way off on its studies before.....most of these were done around the same time period

[Ravenous]

Yea cosmos, the government screws up alot. You might not notice it because of all the cover ups they pull

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

when was the last time a government worker worked with international science teams? whens the last time someone on capitol hill did an experiment on drugs? no. the scientists and medical experts of the world collect evidence, and the government rules the way it does because of it. science says drugs are bad, so the gov says "ok"

[boognish]

no, the same "science" that was used was the same kind of tests as the witch hunts, wrong and biased.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

how can you compare modern science to witch hunts that happened in 1400 europe? the general population believed that old women would gather togeather, have sexual orgies, and eat babies. i dont see any science in that.

[boognish]

there is no science. and all of your "scientific" were done over 6 decades ago

[Shaolin]

wow you stupid fool, i meant prove me wrong the governemnt lies about the effects of drugs, not clinton's affair, u stupid idiot. oh and lets think.

Who am i going to believe, the National Institute of Drug Abuse, or completely biased websites that argue for the legality of substances that harm the body

Im sorry your vision is poor. Did you notice the URL's at the bottom of my post, that have webpages which state drug myths put out by the DEA (the governments drug enforcement agency)

"wow you stupid fool, "

" i meant prove me wrong the governemnt lies about the effects of drugs,"

Perhaps your the stupid fool.

The government does lie infact, and your wrong completly. The medical community support many illegal drugs to be used in medicine. Just because it's science, doesn't mean it's biased.

I gave you a link i think in the drug safety section, that has a source on Dr Shulgrin, the developer of MDMA (ecstacy) who works for the DEA, and even says the government biases data! He knows all there is to know about that drug, and many other psychadelics.

[nwshc]

Just forget everything i just said. No one can win. Im going to stop now.

[Shaolin]

THC is the active ingredient in cannabis, it's the chemical that gets you high! If everyone had pure THC, they just call the side effects confusion etc.

Marinol is an extract from the cannabis plant and is not smoked. It's a pill or a spray. People under certain medical circumstances can however, in california, get a license to grow the plant and consume it for whatever purpose.

Infact none of those facts are wrong. Neither side is wrong. They are speculations of research results. Infact no one can say even smoking is directly linked to cancer, as no one knows the mechanism which causes cancer in the first place, what triggers it. So it could be smoked and a whole bunch of ohter factors, who knows? Maybe in 10 or 20 years we will.

As for the testosterone thing, i really have no clue. But ive smoked it alot, and i don't have boobs or a high voice, and alot of my friends smoke it heavily and they aren't women.

Neither can be proved.

Infact there is no point oding this, none of any research can proved unless there is a clear direct link. There is only speculation over research.

However the truth is, alot of research into illegal drugs is VERY hard to take place. Scientists cannot just go straight in and use the drugs in a lab, they have to go through a lot of red tape to do it. So the government have the power there, to decide which scientists (maybe the more conservative ones) will get the research grant.

Anyway im tired of this debate. No one can win. However ill leave it at, yes there are alot of myths about cannabis. So far neither of us, nor any researchers are even know for sure whats true and whats not.



Although, to be frank, Cannabis has been around for thousands of years and has been used the hwole time by a large number of people.

If these people were dieing of overdoses, men turning into women and everyone who uses it having their lives ruined completly, then it would be all over the press. Sometimes there are scare stories.

The truth is - The majority of drug users, regardless of how dangerous they are are not addicted messes whose lives are ruined. They do it for pleasure and recreation, sociability, on a infrequent basis. The minority of users who do become addicted, were probably addicted from birth. (If you want to know more about addictive personality, and substance abuse disorder ask me)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

whatever, im sick of fighting. and one website about the dea doesnt prove the government conspires against you. you always are saying how drugs are used medically, because they SERVE a RECOGNIZABLE medical need. but almost everyone who takes drugs doesnt take them for medical reason, they take them to get high. and thats why its wrong.

[RickJames]

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[Nemobolistik]

Marijuana can't harm you in any way shape or form. Depending on the smoker/grower, you got to either know how to smoke it or grow it. Personally, I don't do good with public when I smoke herb, therefor I have never been caught. So aparently it's not as bad as cigarettes and beer I.M.O.

[nwshc]

[quote="Nemobolistik"]Marijuana can't harm you in any way shape or form. quote]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Don't give advice that is just plain wrong. Everything has risks to it and anything can harm you. Smoking Mary has risks similar ( not the same) but similar to smoking Tabacco.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

According to a study as reported by the bbc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2419713.stm


A study by the British Lung Foundation found that just three cannabis joints a day cause the same damage as 20 cigarettes.

Evidence shows that tar from cannabis cigarettes contains 50% more cancer causing carcinogens than tobacco.

and 10 bucks says your one of the 79% of children believed that cannabis was 'safe'.

[AcrossFiveAprils]

Weed is better dude. I smoke cigs and I'm fucked cause I cna't fucking stop. See weed is cool cause either way they both gunna kill you but you can do weed every day for a week and then just quit. Cigs man...can't get off that shit once your on.

[rawrr.]

Marijuana in most cases isn't as deadly as alcohol or tobacco. As tobacco slowly destroys your lungs over long period of time, completely ruining it at, let's say by the age of 50, that you'll end up with lung diseases, alcohol disables your ability to think and turns you into an intoxicated monkey, probably ending up running someone over. On the other hand, marijuana kills with your brain cells, slowly turning you into a dummy.

If you sum it all up, neither of the three are better or worse than the other. They're all the same when it comes to harming your system.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

ciggarettes are addictive due to the nicotine content, and you can only die from lung problems from long-term smoking of marijuana, wheras you can die of alcohol poisoning from beer

[0=]

Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells. It's also non-addictive. It's not very harmful compared to tobacco when smoked, and completely non-harmful if eaten. Its only negative effect is impairing your memory in the short term, as in while it is in your system.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells. It's also non-addictive. It's not very harmful compared to tobacco when smoked, and completely non-harmful if eaten. Its only negative effect is impairing your memory in the short term, as in while it is in your system.

When being smoked, it does kill braincells unfortunantly, however you are correct on the second part. Ingesting marijuana oraly has no negative affect on your body.

[rawrr.]

It's also non-addictive.

Um, no.
Based on personal experience, I haven't met a single person who isn't addicted to marijuana. Most of them denies it, that "it's just something they do for fun" ..But seriously, that statement is very similar to "alcohol isn't addictive".

Maybe for some people who can actually control themselves, though once you got the hang from it, which people describes as "the good, relaxed feeling"...you're gonna be hooked to it.

[Malcolm Tucker]

rawrr. please don't bump old threads, thanks.

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