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Charlotte
May 14th, 2006, 01:45 PM
An interesting article I read. What are you alls opinions on it?


Goodbye, war on smoking. Hello, war on fat.
In a span of two months, smoking bans have been imposed in Scotland, enacted in England, Denmark, and Uruguay, proposed by the government of Portugal, and endorsed by the French public. China has banned new cigarette factories. In Virginia, our third most prolific tobacco state, senators voted to ban smoking in nearly all public places. The Arkansas legislature, backed by a Republican governor, passed a similar ban and voted to extend this policy to cars in which a child is present. Tobacco companies have won a skirmish here or there, but always in retreat.

So, we've found a new enemy: obesity. Two years ago, the government discovered that the targets of previous crusades—booze, sex, guns, and cigarettes—were killing a smaller percentage of Americans than they used to. The one thing you're not allowed to do in a culture war is win it, so we searched the mortality data for the next big menace. The answer was as plain as the other chin on your face. Obesity, federal officials told us, would soon surpass tobacco as the chief cause of preventable death. They compared it to the Black Death and the Asian tsunami. They sent a team of "disease detectives" to West Virginia to investigate an obesity outbreak. Last month, the surgeon general called obesity "the terror within" and said it would "dwarf 9-11."

How do we fight it? Everyone agrees on exercising and eating responsibly. The debate is over what the government should do. Health advocates want to restrict junk-food sales, regulate advertising, require more explicit labels, and ban trans fats (also known as partially hydrogenated oils), which are often put into crackers, cookies, and other products to prolong shelf life. They marshal the kind of evidence that won the war on smoking: correlations between soda, junk food, obesity, disease, and death. Lawyers who made their fortunes suing tobacco companies are preparing suits against soda companies. Two months ago, when President Bush gave a health-care speech at the headquarters of Wendy's, activists compared the hamburger chain to Philip Morris. They see themselves as waging the same brave struggle, this time against "the food industry."

But somehow, "the food industry" doesn't sound quite as evil as "the tobacco industry." Something about food—the fact that it keeps us alive, perhaps—makes its purveyors hard to hate. For that matter, the rationale for recent bans on smoking is the injustice of secondhand smoke, and there's no such thing as secondhand obesity. Last year, a Pew Research poll found that 74 percent of Americans viewed tobacco companies unfavorably, but only 39 percent viewed fast-food companies unfavorably. This week, a Pew survey found that more Americans blame obesity, especially their own, on lack of exercise and willpower than on "the kinds of foods marketed at restaurants and grocery stores."

These obstacles don't make the assault on junk food futile. But they do clarify how it will unfold. It will rely on three arguments: First, we should protect kids. Second, fat people are burdening the rest of us. Third, junk food isn't really food.
Targeting kids is a familiar way to impose morals without threatening liberties. You can have a beer or an abortion, but your daughter can't. The conservative aspect of this argument is that you're entitled, as a parent, to decide what your kids can do or buy. That's the pitch Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, made last week in a bill to crack down on junk food in schools. The liberal half of the argument is that kids are too young to make informed choices. In this case, it's true. Studies show that little kids ask for products they see on television; fail to distinguish ads from programs; and are heavily targeted by companies peddling candy, fast food, and sugared cereal.

This stage of the fat war will be a rout. In schools, the audience is young and captive, and the facts are appalling. According to a government report, 75 percent of high schools, 65 percent of middle schools, and 30 percent of elementary schools have contracts with "beverage"—i.e., soda—companies. The sodas are commonly sold through vending machines. The contracts stipulate how many thousands of cases each district has to buy, and they offer schools a bigger cut of the profits from soda than from juice or water. Soda companies, realizing they're going to lose this fight, are fleeing elementary schools and arguing that high-schoolers are old enough to choose. But health advocates refuse to draw such a line. They're not going to stop with kids.

To keep junk food away from adults, fat-fighters will have to explain why obesity is the government's business. Some say the government created the problem by subsidizing pork, sugar, cream, high-fructose corn syrup, and other crud. Harkin reasons that the government pays for school lunches and must protect this "investment." But their main argument is that obesity inflates health-care costs and hurts the economy through disability and lost productivity. Last month, former President Clinton, a confessed overeater, told the nation's governors that obesity has caused more than a quarter of the rise in health-care costs since 1987 and threatens our economic competitiveness. It's not our dependence on foreign oil that's killing us. It's our dependence on vegetable oil.

If the fat-fighters win that argument, they'll reach the final obstacle: the sanctity of food. Food is a basic need and a human right. Marlboros won't keep you alive on a desert island, but Fritos will. To lower junk food to the level of cigarettes, its opponents must persuade you that it isn't really food. They're certainly trying. Soda isn't sustenance, they argue; it's "liquid candy." Crackers aren't baked; they're "engineered," like illegal drugs, to addict people. Last year, New York City's health commissioner asked restaurants to stop using trans fats, which he likened to asbestos. But he ignored saturated fats, which are equally bad and more pervasive. Why are trans fats an easier whipping-cream boy? Because they're mostly artificial.
This, I suspect, is where the war will end. Ban all the creepy-soft processed cookies you want to, but respect nature and nutrition. New York City is purging whole milk from its schools, despite the fact that milk has steadily lost market share to soda during the obesity surge. A fact sheet from Harkin implies that schools should treat milk, French fries, and pizza like soda, jelly beans, and gum. Come on. How many people died in the Irish jelly bean famine? How many babies have nursed on 7-Up? How many food groups does gum share with pizza? If you can't tell the difference, don't tell us what to eat.

made it black 'cuz I couuldnt really see it....and I didnt want to just highlight it.
~koler

sorry about that.
-Charlotte

Bobby
May 14th, 2006, 01:47 PM
That's dumb..... Why should we be worried about being fat, if people don't want to be fat than they should exercise and eat healthy. I eat french fries. I am not fat. And if you think other countries will make fun of the U.S. becuase we're fat, well we are goign to be made fun of anyways with a president like Bush in office.

BillyWitchDoctor.com
May 14th, 2006, 02:37 PM
cigarrettes should be banned because there's nothing good that can come out of them. But i think people are taking this food thing too far. i personally dont eat fast food, maybe ill have a couple fries once or twice a year but nothing much since i know its bad for you and i just dont feel healthy as i eat them. America is always going to be made fun of because people can do so many things as they say they have the right to do this or the right to do that so they do more of what they want and in this case are ignorant and dont care that the food isnt healthy. but that's life, someone is always going to be in the joke so we just live with it

kolte
May 14th, 2006, 07:25 PM
just because you yourself don't eat much fast food doesnt mean that 80 percent of the rest of america gorges themselves on it.
Its nasty if you ask me.
but instead of yelling at people for it, just let them make there own decisons.
its there body.
its there life.
they should be able to do what the will to it.
eating at a fast food joint everyday is much more of a health hazard then smoking though.

/[{Alex}]\
May 14th, 2006, 08:15 PM
i agree, BillyWitchDoctor, i think that we should should ban ciggerettes, as nothing good comes from them

about fast food, as being canadian(canadians are really fat but not as fat as the US) i eat fast food several times a week. i am not fat. yes, i am sure that when ever you go into a fast food resturant or food court, you see morboly obese people who are eating 3 combos of something in one sitting, and you think to yourself "Why?"

people have been making french fries and hamburgers and most other fast food items for years. it has only begun to begin to be bad because there are so many chemical additives that they add for flavour.

for example- the mcdonalds choclate milk shake(REALLY GOOD SHIT) has something like 40-50 ingreadents in them, none of them being real chocolate

not only are these ingredients tasty, but they are addictive

the goverments of the world know all of the chemicals that are going into the food, and they know its really bad-------why not stop it?

money-everything is based on money[how much more money will we make if we do this instead of this] rather thinking[which decision will benifit the people the most]

you cannot point fingers and certain goverments and companys, because they are all doing it, and they know it and they are millionares because of it

having that said, i think that the food should be alot more inforced, as in what they put in the food

i love fast food, its convient cheap and really tasty. that makes it even harder to not eat it

kolte
May 15th, 2006, 11:32 AM
\']i agree, BillyWitchDoctor, i think that we should should ban ciggerettes, as nothing good comes from them

about fast food, as being canadian(canadians are really fat but not as fat as the US) i eat fast food several times a week. i am not fat. yes, i am sure that when ever you go into a fast food resturant or food court, you see morboly obese people who are eating 3 combos of something in one sitting, and you think to yourself "Why?"

people have been making french fries and hamburgers and most other fast food items for years. it has only begun to begin to be bad because there are so many chemical additives that they add for flavour.

for example- the mcdonalds choclate milk shake(REALLY GOOD SHIT) has something like 40-50 ingreadents in them, none of them being real chocolate

not only are these ingredients tasty, but they are addictive

the goverments of the world know all of the chemicals that are going into the food, and they know its really bad-------why not stop it?

money-everything is based on money[how much more money will we make if we do this instead of this] rather thinking[which decision will benifit the people the most]

you cannot point fingers and certain goverments and companys, because they are all doing it, and they know it and they are millionares because of it

having that said, i think that the food should be alot more inforced, as in what they put in the food

i love fast food, its convient cheap and really tasty. that makes it even harder to not eat it

the more the government inforces in our economy, the more we drift from democrocy.
the government shouldnt be able to regulate every aspect of our being.
if the american people feel that these products are bad and should not be eaten.
then they have every right in the world not to eat them.
they are adults for the most part, and there for are quite capable of choice in the matter.
if you don't think its good or healthy.
then you don't eat it.
if you do, then its your fault for the effects that may surface.
such as obesity or malnurishment.

serial-thrilla
May 15th, 2006, 09:58 PM
NO! you cant just ban ciggarettes. many people enjoy smoking them and are addicted to them. outrage and riots would strike the nation if smoking was banned.

0=
May 16th, 2006, 02:28 AM
The banning of fast food would be rediculous, so would the banning of fags, and the banning of pot is redicuous. The censorship of t.v. is rediculous, if I'm offended by fuck damn ass or shit I won't watch the tele, simple as that. Same thing goes for boobs, your kids gonna get harmed by seein a person's body? Nope. Your kid gonna be harmed if they hear profanity? only if you're a retarded parent. The government has taken control of too much, and the more the government controls, the worse society will become. Free country my ass. People need to be able to decide for themselves, that's whole meaning of freedom, you get to decide.


(if there's too much profanity, feel free to censor it, but that kinda ruins the whole point of the post, and you've become the man, man)

kolte
May 16th, 2006, 10:26 AM
(if there's too much profanity, feel free to censor it, but that kinda ruins the whole point of the post, and you've become the man, man)

freedom of speech man.
I only censor when i think sombody will be like, totally offended.
like if sombody made a racial slur or something like that.

but shit, fuck never hurt anybody.
fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
if you cant deal with that, a word, then I really feel sorry for you.

I totally agree with you as well.
why does the government censor my teli.
my radio.
my food.
my smokes.
hell, the force people to wear seat belts and helmets.
ommm....if sombody doesnt wear that there stupid, but there not criminal i mean jesus.
I mean, cheak it.
My country, under the constitution, gives me the right to fucking wear, watch, eat and smoke what ever the fuck I choose to.
so the gov can make laws all they want.
but I have a pice of parchment that states clearly I have the right.
and thats the constitution.

Bobby
May 16th, 2006, 03:48 PM
OMG kOLTE YOU SAID THE F_WORD!!!!!!!!! BAD BOY!!!!

YOUR UNDER ARRREST BY THE LANGUAGE POLICE.