Intel vs AMD

[Glasgow]

Well, just decided to post a little debate on which you prefer.

Intel or AMD?

I choose Intel

[JunkBondTrader]

Intel, personally. Never really done mcuh in AMD. Intel is the standard and I'm not very picky about CPUs.

[Aηdy]

well i va 2 amd computers, one 1.4GHz, one 1.51GHz, and an intel one, 2.8GHz, both amd computers are much faster, all have about 1gb of ram, all have 80Gb HDDs with about 30% used... all amd computers i have used are much faster... although intel is good for muti tasking

[Pip]

I have no preference. I started with Intels, but I'm running an AMD right now.

[Kiros]

Actually I use to be an Intel person. I didn't see why anyone would want an AMD instead (even though the computer I had was an AMD). Then I started doing research. Current Intels over heat quite badly without a special case and a tube. For instance, check this oddity out (clicky) (http://www.t-moon.it/download/immagini_2/EVERB%20INT%201.jpg). AMDs are actually severely under-clocked to ensure they will not over heat - and if you have proper cooling, you can over clock them like a beast! Intels use a lot of "steps" for each cycle of processing, so that's why they run at higher clocked speeds (3.0 GHz+). AMDs use far less of these "steps" so they have to do more with each one - this means they can't run at that high of a speed. This also means that they can perform just as well as (and usually better than) an Intel while running at a much lower speed. AMD shows it's speeds using a thousands number (like 2400+, 2800+, 3200+) - these numbers are what GHz they can perform like times 1000. So a 2400+ would run as well as a 2.4GHz Intel or better (that's what the + means). Essentially, this means that a 3200+ AMD that runs at 2.2GHz would would run much better than a 2.2GHz Intel (in fact, much better than a 3.0-3.2GHz). The max that I've seen Intel go is 3.6GHz, while AMD processors (the new FX kind) can match an amazing 6.0GHz (the new FX-60 with 64bit compatibility[clicky] (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1730143&Sku=CP1-A64-FX60)).

Anyway, that's just a little bit information. That's why, personally, as a computer technician, I'm completely for AMD processors. :D

[Aηdy]

thank you for explaining that kiros lol

[/[{Alex}]\]

yea i have to agree, mine is an intel and its very hot.
my other computer is an AMD, quite fast and not nearly as hot
currently the best processor is the AMD FX-60, and i want it!

anyway just my opinion....

[Skhorpion]

Your almost right kiros, a P4 currently holds the OC record at some 7ghz using a triple cascade phase change cooling keeping it in the -100F's.

[Blahages]

It really depends on which processor you talk about. I had a P4 1.8GHz, and a Celeron 2.2GHz. The P4 would beat the crap out of the Celeron everytime. Actually, I traded someone the Celeron for the P4.

I bought my Laptop in April 2005, which is a AMD 64 3400+ (2.2Ghz) and it's really nice. The only problem is that I couldn't compare it with my P4 very well because of the HDD speed differences (Desktop 7200RPM, laptop 4200).

I bought a different Desktop last october, which I love. It's a AMD 64 X2 3800+ (2.0Ghz) and it kicks the crap out of any computer I've ever used. Last I checked, it's also cheaper then the Intel's closest Dual Core match. The X2 even runs really cool, usually in the mid 30's (celcius) with the stock cooler.

All my main computers are AMD's now, the only one I have that isn't is my server, which I'm not using at all right now, but it's my old P4.

I wouldn't buy another intel for my next computer. My AMD's have been too nice for that.

[Aηdy]

the cpu in this computer is an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ 1.53GHz with 768mb ram... its uber quick.. almost instant with everything... i love it..i heard that with windows xp 64 bit you can have up to 16terrabytes of ram.. crazy!!

[Kiros]

Your almost right kiros, a P4 currently holds the OC record at some 7ghz using a triple cascade phase change cooling keeping it in the -100F's.

Over clocking maybe (can you give a link perhaps?)... But AMDs come under clocked from the start, so just getting the FX-60 up to a normal speed would probably put the overall performance over 7GHz. Over volting and over clocking the FX-60 to it's max (understandably), then I'm sure that the AMD would perhaps over-shoot a theortical 10GHz processor! :D

By the way, I'd just like to note that for that amazing 7GHz, that was the absolute highest a P4 could over clock to. The AMD FX-60 performs as a 6.0GHz, making it slightly less powerful while stock (severly under) clocked.

Intel has nothing on AMD ;)

[Underage_Thinker]

Dam that AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 is nice, But Dam:eek: $1200.00 bucks, thats is is like $300 bucks over the buget I plan to have for my entire next comp. O well i gusse exceptional speed is going to have to wait.

[Kiros]

Yes, but just wait a couple years and the price will probably be less than half that :D

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

there were some people who overclocked to 5.1 something gHz and used a liquid nitrogen cooling system

[Skhorpion]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70225

7.1 ghz

[Aηdy]

thats pretty impressive but im still an amd boy!

[Elscire]

AMD is good for games so i've heard. Mine is PC3200
i got mine from
www.ibuypower.com
don't buy alien ware though, they overprice it too much.

[Skhorpion]

I like how you gave your RAM speed when your talking about processors.

[Kiros]

Heh, that is a bit funny... Anyway, it's not a rare mistake...

But it's still obvious that AMD rules :)

[JunkBondTrader]

I'm going out to buy a P4 tomorrow (well, today technically as its 1:30AM :P) to replace my crappy old Celeron. I just hope I dont break it like I did the last CPU I bought. :( I'll have to put anti-static bags over my hands when fiddling around inside the machine. :P

[Kiros]

Yeah, ESD can be a munch... I'm sure you already know this, but not all Intels have the same pin number, meaning a certain P4 might not fit into a certain Celeron's ZIF socket. Furthermore, not all Intel processors are compatible with one board, meaning that a 3.2GHz P4 might not work where a 1.8GHz Celeron did. Like I said, I'm sure you know what you're doing, but just be on the safe side and check the compatibility :)

Also, when working on a computer, make sure it's completely unplugged (and that you have waited 5-8 seconds for power to completely drain), do not just turned off! Before you begin any work at all, make sure you're not on carpet or a rug :P As for protection against ESD, always try to keep one hand in contact with the metallic frame of the computer. This will normalize your charge with the case's, which will cause yours to be much lower overall. As one more rule of thumb, do not hold anything by the middle (or where you can see metallic traces/pins), hold everything by the edges.

After that, all you need to do is make sure you put the processor in the right orientation (but I think you'd know how to correctly insert a processor, so I won't go into detail here). :P

[Underage_Thinker]

You could also get a ESD grounding strap, then you don't have to worrey about it at all.

[JunkBondTrader]

OK, well I got back from PC World and found out (after dealing with an extremely rude customer service rep (so rude I made a post about him in my blog) :P) I discovered that I will have to but a whole load of new crap. I've completely drained my wallet by buying a new case (for an unrealted issue which Kiros is aware of, involving IDE cables), a new motherboard new hard disk (200GB SATA) and a new sound card because mine used to belong to my mum and to my dad before that :P.

[Aηdy]

have you got a picture of the case?

[Charlotte]

Mines an Intel

[Kiros]

You could also get a ESD grounding strap, then you don't have to worrey about it at all.

What have you smoked? (j/k ;)) An ESD grounding strap (with or without the matt) only equalize voltage between a body and the case the strap is attached to. That might bring your overall voltage down to 5 volts, which is won't hurt your motherboard too much but can completely fry a processor. If anyone tries to touch a new processor's pins, then the poor thing would most definitely be fried (even with an ESD strap). ESD straps only minimize chance of damaging a computer from ESD (they do not prevent it).

Of course, if you meant that you just wouldn't have to worry about holding on to the side of a case, then I just explained all of that for nothing :P

[advent_child]

Reguarding ESD procedures, DO NOT follow them on a CRT monitor... learned that the hard way. I think that AMD has a superiority in architecture in 64 bit computing. The very very poor fact remains that 32 bit intels usually benchmark higher than AMD's.

[Aηdy]

yeah but AMD's arnet clock so high for better reliablility

[Kiros]

Better power consumption and heat radiation too... But stock Intels only can benchmark better because of their Hyper Threading, as benchmarkers usually go from task to task within each task's scope - meaning one starts before the other finishes, and when the final task finishes, all functions finally return.

[Glasgow]

I see that this topic is getting quite popular. I would suggest making it into a sticky

[advent_child]

Yes, indeed this is a good sticky, right beside unix based systems v. everything else!

[Kiros]

A sticky? Mabye later. Not everyone is on the same topic here, so let's let it even out. :)

[Aηdy]

the difference between the latest AMD and intel processors is barely noticable by the human eye! its jsut a split second difference

[advent_child]

What ho! A foe! I've discovered that AMD's high end processors actually benchmark HIGHER than Intel's through SPEC, which is certainly more reliable than that Futuremark crap! But hold on! Check out this: http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/...but back to the point. The Opteron clocked higher than the Xeon! In the end, P4 3.8 Ghz, along with the FX-57 and the Opteron, ruled the list... oh yea...here it is: http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/cpu2000.html.

These are the most recent: http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2006q2/

Notice the capability of SunFire and SunUltra. Very impressive.

[Skhorpion]

the difference between the latest AMD and intel processors is barely noticable by the human eye! its jsut a split second difference

You lie. 5 frames per second is an easily noticeable difference when gaming and 2-3F higher ambient room temp is easily noticeable also.

[Aηdy]

Ah. im proved wrong once again lol! its not my fault its what my step dad told me :D

[Skhorpion]

Yeah i read somewhere that the A64 gets double the operations per second than a P4 does. If the A64had the same ops per secondthat a P4 has then they would have to double the clock speed to stay with them.Thats not the case though so a 2.2ghz A64 = 4.4ghz P4 but with a lower temperature.

[advent_child]

I think that Intel has pulled a wool over everyone's eyes (the non-powerusers...I call them scabies) and made them think that clock speed is the absolute determination of a microprocessors capabilities. Personally, I rely on SPEC. Note that at the end of the credits for Over the Hedge, the AMD logo pops up and says "Rendered with the AMD Opteron."

[Skhorpion]

I think that Intel has pulled a wool over everyone's eyes (the non-powerusers...I call them scabies) and made them think that clock speed is the absolute determination of a microprocessors capabilities. Personally, I rely on SPEC. Note that at the end of the credits for Over the Hedge, the AMD logo pops up and says "Rendered with the AMD Opteron."


Really? Im going to buy that movie just because it says that.

[ejebay91]

simple, intel for notebooks and amd for desktop :)

[Aηdy]

not really, i have an amd in my laptop, its abot 4 years old, still very quick even with only 128mb of ram.

[check it]

intell all the way

[Aηdy]

Its Intel. Have you ever had an AMD?

[Kiros]

Yes, AMD processors are very nice. Less heat, less power consumption, yet more processing power :)