Global Warming

[Blank]

Doesn't anyone care anymore?
I hope that after reading this, people will do things like
use less aircon, use public transport, grow more plants. etc

my classmates call me a tree hugger, but they don't understand the intensity of the situation

any thoughts? will you do your part?

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

Just a note, the "General Questions...." forum is actually part of the puberty section.
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[Bougainvillea]

I hope that after reading this, people will do things likeuse less aircon, use public transport, grow more plants. etc

I can assure you...
That won't happen.

Movies, documentaries, poems, posters, books, flyers have been made and yet people choose convenience.

[Aves]

Yeah. Some people will do stuff like grow plants, use public transport, etc. But, a majority won't. Honestly, I don't believe global warming is caused by our carbon emissions, which is claimed to be one of the main causes of global warming. Around 1940-1950, carbon emissions were extremely high, but the average temperature for those years, was lower than what it had been, and is now. I think that it's more of a cycle we're going through, naturally. You remember the ice age. It was a natural period where everything was frozen (if someone didn't know). Well, if there can be a natural freezing period, why can't there be a natural warming period as well?

[BuryYourFlame]

In the words of my science teacher:

It's a myth. They are all convinced by that idiot Al Gore, who can't even win a presidential election by the way.

I gotta agree with him, you go back far enough and you find exactly the same thing happening, it's simply a cycle that the Earth goes through, most likely caused by changes in the sun rather than anything to do with us.

[Whisper]

your teachers an idiot
don't feel bad, its common in the education system, they let anyone in


Vancouver Island is having some "climate change" issues as of the last yr or so
record snow fall and rains for one causing sever power problems, mudslides, flooding, etc....
as of yesterday (i haven't checked today) 3 areas around Nanaimo had declared states of emergencies
disaster relief is here


...then again we don't have to deal with FEMA here so its going rather smoothly

[Commander Thor]

While it's true that the Earth does go through natural warming/cooling cycles, what's happening now is not, by any means, natural.
http://www.hdd-cybernavi.com/environment-e/management/img/pct_top_01.gif
Edit:http://www.whrc.org/test/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/images/Fig1-CO2_and_Temp2.gif</edit>
Hmmm, looks natural to me! </sarcasm>

[BuryYourFlame]

your teachers an idiot
don't feel bad, its common in the education system, they let anyone in.

What makes you say that? He founded his belief from research done on the air trapped in ice that is thousands of years old, they show similar cicumstances to what the climate is now.

[Commander Thor]

Please refer to my previous post.
And the second image I added.

The graphs clearly show that this is NOT a natural cycle, yet influenced by humans.

[BuryYourFlame]

While it's true that the Earth does go through natural warming/cooling cycles, what's happening now is not, by any means, natural.
http://www.hdd-cybernavi.com/environment-e/management/img/pct_top_01.gif
Hmmm, looks natural to me! </sarcasm>

yes, the CO2 concentation is going up , I'm not saying it isn't, but look at the temperature, it still isn't the highest recorded, even though the carbon dioxide concentration is a fair deal greater than the previous highest. (same goes for the second graph)

[Commander Thor]

Ever notice, when you turn on your oven, and it takes a good 10-15 minutes to warm up?
I'm aware of the fact that the Earth, in it's past, has indeed been warmer than current day temperatures.
But, back in the industrial revolution, we turned the oven called Earth on, and it's starting to warm faster than it should.
http://www.greeneducationnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Global-Warming-Temperature_Record.png

Even though the CO2 is climbing at a excessive rate, the temperature of the Earth takes a while to catch up.

Cheesy analogy I know, but you get my point.
CO2 emissions does not produce instant results. It takes it time.
But the fact remains, that it DOES trap heat.
And more of it means more heat trapped.

[Sage]

Buy this book please. (http://www.lomborg.com/publications/the_skeptical_environmentalist/)

[TheKingDavis]

I hope that after reading this, people will do things like
use less aircon, use public transport, grow more plants. etc


You havent given us any reasons to do better

[Blank]

we've already taken away a huge part of mother nature
its time we stopped, some organisms cant even take a 1degree change in temperature

[Maverick]

I don't believe in global warming.

Climate change/environmentalism is nothing but a religion not science.

[Whisper]

I don't believe in global warming.

Climate change/environmentalism is nothing but a religion not science.

oh babe -shakes head-
belief isn't required
this isn't a republican ideology...like the earth being formed in 6 days
Climate change has been proven based off of empirical evidence conducted with a scientific method by literally thousands of scientists in various fields posted all over the globe

[The Joker]

What makes you say that? He founded his belief from research done on the air trapped in ice that is thousands of years old, they show similar cicumstances to what the climate is now.

I don't know, your teacher apparently isn't aware that Al Gore got the popular vote.

I always turn off lights, and do everything I can to lower my emissions.

[tyler27846]

i dont believe in it it is just a myth

[theOperaGhost]

Global warming is a myth...a complete crock of shit developed by liberals. Liberals saw the fact of climate change (which happens naturally and has happened many times in the past) and stretched it beyond truth. Even most of the scientific community doesn't believe in the global warming Al Gore and many other liberals claim to be happening.

[Whisper]

Global warming is a myth...a complete crock of shit developed by liberals. Liberals saw the fact of climate change (which happens naturally and has happened many times in the past) and stretched it beyond truth. Even most of the scientific community doesn't believe in the global warming Al Gore and many other liberals claim to be happening.

Bullshit
it was determined yrs ago in Copenhagen i believe with the largest scientific gathering in recorded history. Specialists from literally thousands of separate fields came together. They determined that global warming is fact and that it has been caused by "human activity".


Why must everything revolve around political conspiracies with you
like srsly you're turning into one of those hills have eyes hicks hun
tone it down a bit

[theOperaGhost]

Bullshit
it was determined yrs ago in Copenhagen i believe with the largest scientific gathering in recorded history. Specialists from literally thousands of separate fields came together. They determined that global warming is fact and that it has been caused by "human activity".


Why must everything revolve around political conspiracies with you
like srsly you're turning into one of those hills have eyes hicks hun
tone it down a bit

Clicky clicky! (http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/proceedings.html)

[Rutherford The Brave]

I as a liberal do believe in global warming, it is mostly because of our activity on earth. All the toxins, pollutants and such that we've realesed into the atmosphere. The ignorance of not seeing this is beyond me. I mean this is a huge ticket that we cannot pay in full at this moment. The last thing we need to do is forget about the problem and let the debt build. We as a country and a people need to find more green efficient ways to live life. This applies to your right wing guys and girls too! If you want America to be the greatest country in the world, you have to keep the world alive for it to be. Am I right?

[Whisper]

It should have nothing to do with political affiliation
it pisses me off that people are distorting it into that

it doesn't matter if your republican or democrat, what race you are, what country you reside in, what type of government system you have period
it will affect us all the same

so to turn it into a political division an I'm republican so I'm against it or I'm democrat so "I believe" in it
bothers me
that just proves how society is so easy to herd
nothing but sheep


Jared once I find my phone and finish the essay I'm avoiding
I'll give you some legitimate links


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[Rutherford The Brave]

It should have nothing to do with political affiliation
it pisses me off that people are distorting it into that

it doesn't matter if your republican or democrat, what race you are, what country you reside in, what type of government system you have period
it will affect us all the same

so to turn it into a political division an I'm republican so I'm against it or I'm democrat so "I believe" in it
bothers me
that just proves how society is so easy to herd
nothing but sheep


Jared once I find my phone and finish the essay I'm avoiding
I'll give you some legitimate links


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I totally agree with you, It doesn't matter. But most people think it does, to me its more about urging those who are blind to join the fight. Like I said its completly ignorant to ignore whats happening.

[JackOfClubs]

I believe that Global Warming is real. But it is greatly exaggerated. Nothing in our lifetime is going to make a huge change to the pollution levels. Sure, we need to try to be more eco-friendly, but that does not mean going out and spending 25 grand on a Prius just to look eco-friendly. Just don't buy a 3 row SUV to carry 2 children. Common sense should tell you to be eco-friendly: Turn off lights in an empty room, turn off anything not in use, don't drag race from every streetlight.

[theOperaGhost]

I agree with you that politics shouldn't be involved, Cody. Unfortunately they are and they have blown it way out of proportion. To me it's just like any other conspiracy. How much do you want to bet that the government is going to milk the 2012 conspiracy for all it's worth?

[CaptainObvious]

In the words of my science teacher:

I gotta agree with him, you go back far enough and you find exactly the same thing happening, it's simply a cycle that the Earth goes through, most likely caused by changes in the sun rather than anything to do with us.

It's sad that your teacher espouses such a stupid point of view, and even sadder that you're taken in by it.

The science on this issue is now clear. Humans are causing significant anthropogenic climate change, and we are getting close to being too late to reverse it.

[theOperaGhost]

http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm

http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/10/09/stewards-10-myths-about-global-warming-and-co2-damage.html

[Tiberius]

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I gladly heed this request since this has turned into a debate :)
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*COUGH*AHEM, God...where'd this video come from?!
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Not to mention the fact that during the time of the Dinosaurs, there were topical rainforests near the North and South Poles...I didn't think industrailized human civilization could have caused that 65-300 million years ago...

[theOperaGhost]

I gladly heed this request since this has turned into a debate :)
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*COUGH*AHEM, God...where'd this video come from?!
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Not to mention the fact that during the time of the Dinosaurs, there were topical rainforests near the North and South Poles...I didn't think industrailized human civilization could have caused that 65-300 million years ago...

Wow...if it was on CNN it HAS to be the truth!

[Kahn]

CNN... lol.

We ourselves have caused the panic of global warming. If we keep stressing it, do you think someone will listen? I don't think so. One of the most influential democrats couldn't change the view on a "green" way of life. I mean, many nations transportation systems are based around Automobiles. More the America's than any other continent on this planet.

We have massive highways and massive road systems in each city which is marvelous in a way, but with the emissions of exhaust spewed into the air it pretty much is the largest downside possible. More and more people are worried every day due to the growing "Crisis" if you will. I for one do think it is exaggerated. I love driving but if someone grabs a bike or walks it wouldn't be bad.

We are already giving out protocols in large cities such as Mexico city. They get to drive every Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, etc. based on a letter they get from the government. It is right but wrong. Giving someone an exact time wether they can drive or not, wether they can get somewhere they need. The amount of smog in that city is disgusting though. So it pretty much evens it out.

Although many of us seem to know that nothing terrible will happen there is always that small place in your mind telling you to be green in any kind of way. So I think that there will always be that scare. Just like the Cold War. People were always scared. That moment could be they're last. It is all just a big end of the world panic that happens every day. A new one will eventually emerge and then our children will be scared of that.

I know some of this may not makes sense but I am friggin' tired. I will come back and edit later or tomorrow. I'll be waiting for rebuts ;)

[Tiberius]

CNN... lol.

We ourselves have caused the panic of global warming. If we keep stressing it, do you think someone will listen? I don't think so. One of the most influential democrats couldn't change the view on a "green" way of life. I mean, many nations transportation systems are based around Automobiles. More the America's than any other continent on this planet.

We have massive highways and massive road systems in each city which is marvelous in a way, but with the emissions of exhaust spewed into the air it pretty much is the largest downside possible. More and more people are worried every day due to the growing "Crisis" if you will. I for one do think it is exaggerated. I love driving but if someone grabs a bike or walks it wouldn't be bad.

We are already giving out protocols in large cities such as Mexico city. They get to drive every Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, etc. based on a letter they get from the government. It is right but wrong. Giving someone an exact time wether they can drive or not, wether they can get somewhere they need. The amount of smog in that city is disgusting though. So it pretty much evens it out.

Although many of us seem to know that nothing terrible will happen there is always that small place in your mind telling you to be green in any kind of way. So I think that there will always be that scare. Just like the Cold War. People were always scared. That moment could be they're last. It is all just a big end of the world panic that happens every day. A new one will eventually emerge and then our children will be scared of that.

I know some of this may not makes sense but I am friggin' tired. I will come back and edit later or tomorrow. I'll be waiting for rebuts ;)
Crushing someone's liberty for pervious generations mistakes it horribly wrong. I find it disgusting that Mexico would mandate something like that over pollution.

[Rainstorm]

Global Warming is a true thing, but has been taken way out of proportion sometimes, which doesn't help.

It is true that we, the humans, are producing many carbon emissions. More than we probably should be doing. And yes, that is creating holes in the ozone layers at the north and south poles, which is causing a heating of the world.

However, you have to also remember that the World will heat up, and then cool down, over a long period of time. During the age of the dinosaurs, the planet was a hot, tropical, and very humid. Then it cooled down to the point where the first Ice Age began. After the Ice Age, it warmed up, then cooled down, and finally warmed back up again to now. Global Warming is really, if you think about it, making the natural heating of the world go faster than normal. If we can slow our emissions, and the ozone repairs itself, then the heating would slow down towards it's normal pace.

So, like others have said, Global Warming isn't the only factor in the heating. There's the other causes behind it.

[CaptainObvious]

http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm

http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/10/09/stewards-10-myths-about-global-warming-and-co2-damage.html

Do you read the drivel that you post before you post it? Not only are those websites full of outright inaccuracies, but what's not inaccurate is either irrelevant or intentionally misleading.

On the "facts" the first site purports to be true over the "mythss":

1) No, the planet is warming. Localized coolings trends have been marked, but the overall trend is established and clearly upwards.

2) Their "fact" does not even answer what they purport to be the "myth", which isn't even a myth anyways. Climate change will not necessarily directly kill (there are certainly extant theories that more abrupt tipping points like loss of methane from the permafrost could themslves be massive disasters, but they're not necessarily substantiated), but the effects upon the world's food supply, extreme weather, etc., will certainly kill. And the fact that the UK having "mild winters" saves lives - and it's not 20,000, on that fact I simply call bullshit - is not an answer to this "myth".

3) Yes, there are isolated periods of history in which carbon dioxide levels have been much higher than currently. However, that neither disproves anthropogenic climate change nor proves that such change will not be harmful. For all we know, our society would've been destroyed had it had to endure such CO2 concentration rises. To analogize, the fact that the world has sustained massive asteroid impacts before doesn't mean that another such impact wouldn't kill us all.

4) How is that even relevant? The whole point of climate change is that the Earth is in equilibrium. The gross percentage of carbon contributed by humans is not actually an argument against anything.

5) This is flat out untrue. The relationship is not simple cause-and-effect because of the feedbacks inherent in the system, but it is flat wrong to say it is an entirely sun-driven process.

6) This is obviously true, cutting car use is not enough.

...and now it's just getting stupid. That website is unsourced drivel and it is sort of depressing that you repost it as opposed to actually debating.

Not to mention the fact that during the time of the Dinosaurs, there were topical rainforests near the North and South Poles...I didn't think industrailized human civilization could have caused that 65-300 million years ago...

What is it about you lot that causes your debating abilities to go out the window when it comes to this issue? How is this an objection to the theory of anthropogenic climate change? It has never been claimed that humans are responsible for all climate change, nor does it have to be so claimed. The fact that the climate was different millions of years ago is not an argument against the harms of anthropogenic climate change.

Crushing someone's liberty for pervious generations mistakes it horribly wrong. I find it disgusting that Mexico would mandate something like that over pollution.

Ever been to Mexico City, kiddo? What's disgusting is the haze of pollution so thick that you literally cannot see the mountains ringing the city almost every day. Mexico City restricted cars not for global warming, but because the city is disgustingly dirty.

And what I find disgusting is the shortsighted point of view you take that any sacrifice is "crushing someone's liberty". Since when do we have the inherent right to take actions that could make our planet inhospitable just because others did in the past or do in the present? That's not an argument.

[Lord C]

I think there's a chance it could be real. But if we look at the facts we could say that we are being tricked. The people that tell us this are politicians, leaders of the world. These people are obsessed with money, oil, gas etc. Each time we use up resources like that in our homes, it takes it away from them and what they could do with it, fuel warplanes, build crazy crap to kill people with. You could conclude that politicians tell us this so we cut down on it so they have more to fuel war?

However, I still try and do my part.

[Mind forte]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this? (http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=154&filename=942777075.txt) Anthropogenic Global Warming is a myth and has been debunked. The debate about it is over. It's clearly not possible for humans to change the climate. Plus, the earth hasn't been warming for what, the past five maybe ten years? (One of those two) Climate change is natural. We'll have extremes, but it won't be because of us. I mean natural disasters happen all the time and extremes come and go. What really concerns me about global warming is cap and trade. The stupidest idea that doesn't even reduce Co2 levels. *sigh*
More about the emails here. (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/22/wapo-reports-on-hadley-e-mails-global-warming-controversy/)

[Bluearmy]

Fuck these giant walls of text.


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[Rutherford The Brave]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this? (http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=154&filename=942777075.txt) Anthropogenic Global Warming is a myth and has been debunked. The debate about it is over. It's clearly not possible for humans to change the climate. Plus, the earth hasn't been warming for what, the past five maybe ten years? (One of those two) Climate change is natural. We'll have extremes, but it won't be because of us. I mean natural disasters happen all the time and extremes come and go. What really concerns me about global warming is cap and trade. The stupidest idea that doesn't even reduce Co2 levels. *sigh*
More about the emails here. (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/22/wapo-reports-on-hadley-e-mails-global-warming-controversy/)

That link showed me nothing. A climate change this bad could not just pop up in this short of amount of time. Seriously. Let's look at it statistically. Nearly every family in the U.S owns 2+ cars. Those cars release fumes into the atmosphere. If every family has that many cars, and those cars are spitting out CO2 constantly. Natural disasters will not cause the ozone layer to errode, natural disasters will not cause the polar ice caps to melt. Seeing as natural disasters are earthquakes, hurricanes, etc. While I do agree that climate change can be normal, the time it takes is significantly longer than the time its taken to get ourself into this situation. I heard somewhere that it would've take hundreds of years MORE to get to the point we are at now.

Oh and on that link you posted. http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/11/24/hacked-global-warming-e-mails-%E2%80%93-whats-new/

[Mind forte]

Oh and on that link you posted. http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/11/24/hacked-global-warming-e-mails-%E2%80%93-whats-new/
I wasn't saying 'oh THIS proves agw is fake!' I was showing this:
"But many think that the credibility of climate scientists and climate science have been damaged." - Your link
AGW has taken a serious hit, and it's starting to die.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I wasn't saying 'oh THIS proves agw is fake!' I was showing this:
"But many think that the credibility of climate scientists and climate science have been damaged." - Your link
AGW has taken a serious hit, and it's starting to die.

Yeah because it posted fake information.

[theOperaGhost]

Yeah because it posted fake information.

How do you know whose link is true or false? I believe the links I've provided earlier to be true and yours to be false....you disagree. I'm going to believe the climatologists from my links.

[Rutherford The Brave]

How do you know whose link is true or false? I believe the links I've provided earlier to be true and yours to be false....you disagree. I'm going to believe the climatologists from my links.

Because Jared, the person who runs the site and the company STATED they were hacked and they do not agree with what they was posted at all.

[theOperaGhost]

Because Jared, the person who runs the site and the company STATED they were hacked and they do not agree with what they was posted at all.

They can STATE whatever they want to. Do you believe everything that is STATED?

[CaptainObvious]

They can STATE whatever they want to. Do you believe everything that is STATED?

I know it's hard to be involved in this debate when your opinion is so obviously shakily formed, but I posted a rather more complete and relevant rebuttal of your drivel above; why not engage that? Because you can't?

[Rutherford The Brave]

Yeah because it was hacked, No one qualified put it up on their site. I believe in global warming, and any site you post up isn't going to change my mind.

[theOperaGhost]

I know it's hard to be involved in this debate when your opinion is so obviously shakily formed, but I posted a rather more complete and relevant rebuttal of your drivel above; why not engage that? Because you can't?

No, I can't.

Yeah because it was hacked, No one qualified put it up on their site. I believe in global warming, and any site you post up isn't going to change my mind.

Any site you post isn't going to change my mind. My belief is that climate change is inevitable...there is no denying that...it's happened in the past and will happen again. My belief however is that the entire concept of global warming is political propaganda. I feel it is HIGHLY exaggerated. There may be many scientists who support global warming however politics control EVERYTHING. Scientists are swayed by polity just like anyone else is.

[Hatsune Miku]

I swear, If I see one more AD on TV about "Global Warming" Im going to burn tires in my back yard
I couldn't care less about global warming. By the time the earth "Floods" Ill be long dead
Im not going to turn off all my lights and bury my shit in the ground to "Help save the earth"

[CaptainObvious]

I swear, If I see one more AD on TV about "Global Warming" Im going to burn tires in my back yard
I couldn't care less about global warming. By the time the earth "Floods" Ill be long dead
Im not going to turn off all my lights and bury my shit in the ground to "Help save the earth"

Well that just makes you incredibly selfish. Why do you deserve to be able to use the planet in a way that is unsustainable?

[Death]

Do my part? Why must I 'do my part'? The reason's our planet's warming is because we are in the heat age. We are slowly getting closer to the sun but that will change once we end up orbiting fast enough to move back out again. This will probably take tens of thousands of years and it would be called the ice age (planet getting colder). As you could imagine, we would then end up orbiting too slowly and we would be pulled in again bringing us into the heat age again. It basically goes on.

And if the polar ice caps melt? Why the big deal? They've already melted in the past, and we're fine. The vast majority of the ice burgs are submerged, and since ice contracts when it melts, if anything, the water levels will actually decrease when they melt. But because Earth is so bloody massive, the noticable difference will be zero.

[chazzrox2]

i don't get the fascination with "climate control" or whatever. its happening and we can't stop it.
the whole propaganda idea is to save fuel and oil so that atleast in the future we can have plastics and clothes lol

i guess i support the decreased use of cars, wasting fuel etcetera but only cuz we need to conserve it and global warming is just a good way of making people do it lol

in the end...sorry Tuvalu, your gone mate:(

[Death]

global warming is just a good way of making people do it lol

I think you've pretty much summed up the point of the story of global warming, with exception to the money to be made out of it.

[Blank]

its all over the news today, many countries have agreed to work with us to fight global warming

[Death]

And that's successful control of the masses for you.

[Boredomino]

Why don't we all put air conditioners on the OUTSIDE of our houses, to combat global warming?

I'm on a sugar-caffine high, so don't fear for my sanity or anything.

[chazzrox2]

Why don't we all put air conditioners on the OUTSIDE of our houses, to combat global warming?

I'm on a sugar-caffine high, so don't fear for my sanity or anything.

Step back, we have a winner! That is brilliant...now we just need to figure out how to employ polar bears to fit them to keep them in a job

[tomjacob]

Hi.
We should think for our common future guys.

[CaptainObvious]

Why don't we all put air conditioners on the OUTSIDE of our houses, to combat global warming?

I'm on a sugar-caffine high, so don't fear for my sanity or anything.

Because air conditioners are governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics like everything else, which means that inefficiencies in air conditioners will cause them to output more heat than they cool, always.

I'll assume you were joking, thogh. :P