VT, I just don't get it.

[Sage]

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This is a serious question here. Why in god's name are female breasts considered private parts that need to be hidden from children and the public eye? Why, oh gods why, is one of the most profound objects of beauty known in our universe painted out to be something so dirty? They're just breasts. Seriously. Guys have them too, only man tits are useless. What're your thoughts?

[AllThatIsLeft]

Though I agree with you, it's a cause of lust, anything induces lust is frowned upon in society.
once people stop looking at it with an eye of malice, they won't be seen as a dirty thing.
imo.

[Quick_Sylver]

I dunno. because they're afraid they'll get frostbite? I agree with AllThat'sLeft though. It's sex-related,there fore it's 'dirty'.

[Sage]

Are you kidding me? Sex sells. If you don't notice it just about everywhere in society, you must literally be living under a rock.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

i think, and this is only because its likely to happen, if a girl is walking down the street with no top, she is probably more likely to get abused mentally and physicaly, as opposed to someone with a top on.

but i think that it should be both ways, if a guy can have his shirt of, why not a girl?

[Sage]

If they were in everybody's faces more often (hurhurhur), then perhaps they wouldn't be so damned sacred.

[Bougainvillea]

I'm sorry, but I see breasts as a more private area. I think it's the same reason we don't walk around with our junk out.

[Sage]

I think it's the same reason we don't walk around with our junk out.

And what's that reason?

[Bougainvillea]

It's unsanitary, and indecent.

[Sage]

It's unsanitary, and indecent.

So is skin cancer and beer bellies.

[Bougainvillea]

Will you stop trying to make things complicated?

You know damn well why woman don't expose themselves.

Jeez, yo. :P

[Sage]

Will you stop trying to make things complicated?

Will you stop trying to humor me in a debate setting? I'm serious here.

[Mzor203]

I'm going to paraphrase (paraquote?) something I read on this once.

There are multiple societies in Africa where breasts are not viewed as sexual in the least. In some places it's actually the thighs which are seen as a sexual part of the body which should not be exposed.

Though the breasts are a secondary sexual organ, if they weren't made out to be sexual, they wouldn't be to us. Any part of a woman's figure can really be viewed as sexual, if you think about it, our society has just morphed it into something it isn't.

It is not unsanitary, it is not dirty. They are two parts of the chest which exist for the function of feeding our young. We use our hands to feed our young as well, though they are not viewed as sexual.

It's all point of view, and mostly twisted point of view at that.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Tim they are boobs. If women don't want to show their boobs they won't if they do they'll go to mardi gras. It's simple, if you want to see boobs carry around a bunch of bead necklaces.

[Sage]

If women don't want to show their boobs they won't

My gods you're making it sound as though I'm asking the female population to take all their tops off. No. But if a woman does want to do it, there shouldn't be any social stigma against that choice. There unfortunately, however, is.

[JackOfClubs]

I have often thought about this. I think it is because people view breasts as a sexual thing. And sex shouldn't be done in public. I wouldn't walk around with my junk hanging out because it would just be awkward, and I'd probably end up with an unnecessary.... "moment." :P

In all seriousness though, its is something that won't be changed any time in our life times, so its best not to worry about it.

[Sugaree]

Tim presents a good point, but I disagree. As stated by others, breasts are objects* that are typically seen as being related to sex just like penises, testicles, etc. This eventually leads to the public to reject the idea of a woman exposing her full chest. It's become something "dirty" and "indecent". True, it is indecent, but not "dirty".
Breastfeeding is different, yet people are rejectful of the possibility of a woman doing it in public. Why? Because it involves *almost* exposure of a breast.

Each one of us has free choice. We can choose to do what we want, no matter if it is seen as "inappropriate". Free choice can also be blended into this debate since it would be a woman's free choice to walk around with her breasts exposed.

But you also must consider a woman's feelings about breast exposure. Some may feel selfconcious about exposing their bodies, others are very open and not afraid to do so. But, once again, it IS their choice to decide if they want to walk around without a bra/shirt on.

*This was not meant to cause offense.

[Sage]

But you also must consider a woman's feelings about breast exposure. Some may feel selfconcious about exposing their bodies, others are very open and not afraid to do so. But, once again, it IS their choice to decide if they want to walk around without a bra/shirt on.

I am simply pointing out what I feel is a great, shameful flaw in our culture- the inability to be open about completely natural things.

[Sugaree]

But if the woman doesn't want to open up about them, how can you say it's some flaw? Not everyone can be open about things like this.

[Sage]

But if the woman doesn't want to open up about them, how can you say it's some flaw? Not everyone can be open about things like this.

It's not just women. Very few people want to be open about anything at all.

[Zero Beat]

How about we all just get nude? Then Tim is happy, and thats all the matters.

I can see it now, if women were to flaunt it, there would be more rapes and all the sorta stuff. Hay who knows, how ever many years ago, women weren't aloud to show their legs, now look at what they can wear and get away with it. Soon, they will be aloud to not wear anything.

And look at that pic, the man looks so happy, he is probably thinking: Boy, she had hot tits, better go run her over...

[Sage]

How about we all just get nude? Then Tim is happy, and thats all the matters.

Ohmyfuckinggods that's not what I'm getting at guys. D:<

[Zero Beat]

Tim, that was a bit of a joke. I have read all the other posts, and I dont believe you are trying to get across the point that you want more topless women about.
But what you are saying, is very true in todays world.

[ShatteredWings]

Ohmyfuckinggods that's not what I'm getting at guys. D:<

Actually it kinda is. Your argument about boobs could be taken to a dick

It's got a non-sexual usage. Peeing.

Should guys start walking around with their pants off too now?

[Sage]

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Should guys start walking around with their pants off too now?

Why not? It's just a dick. It's nature. We've all seen it before.

[Bluearmy]

It's just a cultural thing Deschain. Female breasts are sexually erotic because people make them sexually erotic. Why breasts were chosen over other parts of the body as sexual is beyond me. But that is just the way it is.

We could go back in time and instead choose for a woman's pinky finger to be erotic, and that would be seen as erotic today. It's just a cultural thing. IF women were to stop keeping their boobs covered, then eventually any sexual prestige they had will desecrated until it's nothing left it will not be seen as anything arousing to anybody.:yawn:

[Sage]

IF women were to stop keeping their boobs covered, then eventually any sexual prestige they had will desecrated until it's nothing left it will not be seen as anything arousing to anybody.:yawn:

Not really. A lot of people have foot fetishes, and they generally aren't viewed as sexual or glorified by media.

[Zero Beat]

;689779']Actually it kinda is. Your argument about boobs could be taken to a dick

It's got a non-sexual usage. Peeing.

Should guys start walking around with their pants off too now?

I say we should walk around with no pants on! :D

[IowaBoy]

I am with Deschain on this one, but with a few different rules. Because breasts are now seen as "sexual" parts of a body their should be certion parts within a city (that meaning public, everyone is allowed not just "adults") to were women are allowed to be topless. The problem then would be the people on the outside would want to view it as a "bad" or sexual thing and start harassing them all over (internet, etc...).

[Triceratops]

Call me a prude, but the thought of girls walking around with nothing on their top half sounds nothing less than disgusting to me.

Concealing your private parts and dressing conservatively is having respect for yourself, and others around you.

[Sage]

Concealing your private parts and dressing conservatively is having respect for yourself, and others around you.

Define 'dressing conservatively'.

[Mzor203]

They're only part of your 'private parts' because our society has made them that.

Think about back when there were no clothes. It's how we were created. That's how everyone existed back then. No one cared.

[kolte]

Many people find nudity taboo. Others, find it natural. In a representative democracy, which the majority of people prefer, it is necessary to come to a compromise.

[Triceratops]

Define 'dressing conservatively'.

By not showing too much flesh and exposing anything that could cause offense.

Think about back when there were no clothes. It's how we were created. That's how everyone existed back then. No one cared.

But now people do care, we aren't living in those days anymore.

[Mzor203]

But now people do care, we aren't living in those days anymore.

That's what the topic is about, unless I missed something. Why did people start to care? What has prompted them to care?

[Sage]

By not showing too much flesh and exposing anything that could cause offense.

Did you know that women wearing pants is offensive to millions if not billions of people?

[Death]

By not showing too much flesh and exposing anything that could cause offense.

But who would seriously be offended by a pair of boobs?

The only reason why breats are 'indecent' is becuase our prudish society has made them so. I really fail to see why a male can walk around topless wheras a female has to keep covered up on the same area. Females may have breats but males would have had them too if it wasn't for the prevention of the growth at birth. Why is a female's top half indecent but a male's top half not? It just doesn't make sense.

Not only that, but breats are not used for sex either. Feeding a baby isn't sex - not even close. If anything, I think it's sexism.

[Triceratops]

That's what the topic is about, unless I missed something. Why did people start to care? What has prompted them to care?

Well personally, I just feel that what's considered sexual should be kept hidden. If they are to be seen then they should only be seen by your partner as such.

Did you know that women wearing pants is offensive to millions if not billions of people?

Yes, I did know that. I feel that's ridiculous because trousers aren't exactly exposing anything.

But who would seriously be offended by a pair of boobs?

The only reason why breats are 'indecent' is becuase our prudish society has made them so.

I wouldn't necessarily be offended, but I would look at is as inappropriate and disgusting. It's not hard to wear a piece of clothing to cover yourself up, there really is NO need to flash your boobs at all.

I can't really deny that I'm a prude either, but I also do have respect for my body and I have some pretty good moral standards.

[Sage]

If anything, I think it's sexism.

Sexism is a strong word, I prefer to think of it as a double standard.

Well personally, I just feel that what's considered sexual should be kept hidden. If they are to be seen then they should only be seen my your partner as such.

Why?

[Bluearmy]

That's what the topic is about, unless I missed something. Why did people start to care? What has prompted them to care?

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Must I say more?

[Hyper]

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Must I say more?

And before that everyone was obviously nudist /sarcasm

[Sage]

And before that everyone was obviously nudist /sarcasm

The ancient greeks and many other European natives were very open about sexuality. In fact, in greek society, people were openly gay and it didn't bother anyone at all. Hell, the Olympic Games were done entirely in the nude!

[Hyper]

So your entire question is why does the majority of society consider exposure indecent.

Sure religion is a major influence on this but it isn't the sole influence..

People didn't run around fully naked 5000 years ago either. First we started wearing clothing for practical needs. Then when all the practical needs were fulfilled came beauty, status etc....

And yes somewhere along came religion(s) that spawned the belief that it is indecent to expose yourself.

Even if religion never existed it is still highly possible society would've progressed to a point where something similar happens and exposure would be considered indecent... Though even if we restarted human society from nothing religion would still come to be due to human nature.

[Sage]

So your entire question is why does the majority of society consider exposure indecent.

Sure religion is a major influence on this but it isn't the sole influence..

People didn't run around fully naked 5000 years ago either. First we started wearing clothing for practical needs. Then when all the practical needs were fulfilled came beauty, status etc....

And yes somewhere along came religion(s) that spawned the belief that it is indecent to expose yourself.

Even if religion never existed it is still highly possible society would've progressed to a point where something similar happens and exposure would be considered indecent... Though even if we restarted human society from nothing religion would still come to be due to human nature.

You fail to acknowledge my examples at all. The greeks were very religious, it is simply that their religion did not claim such things are indecent.

[Death]

Well personally, I just feel that what's considered sexual should be kept hidden.

Boobs are not sexual; they have no sexual use at all. As I've said, feeding a baby isn't sex-related - not even close.

I wouldn't necessarily be offended, but I would look at is as inappropriate and disgusting. It's not hard to wear a piece of clothing to cover yourself up, there really is NO need to flash your boobs at all.

If that's the way you're going to look at it, then there would be no reason for a man to expose his torso either. Besides, had you have been raised in a society which wasn't prudish, you would think nothing of it. Why are boobs considered disgusting? It makes no sense.

Sexism is a strong word,

Strong words for strong believers. As you've probably guessed, I'm a strong believer. I mean seriously, it's not like you can control your sex (outside potentially dangerous operations which you should not have to undergo).