Man 'asked daughter for sex on Facebook'

[Whisper]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01471/facebook-privacy_1471531c.jpg

John Forehand referred to himself as "Bad Daddy" as he made explicit suggestions to his biological daughter on the social networking site, investigators claim.

He allegedly told the child, who has not been identified and from whom he lives apart, that "not many other fathers and daughters are this brave, so not many of them are so lucky to experience all these pleasures."

Forehand. from Lititz in Pennsylvania, was held in a police sting after the girl told her mother about his Facebook (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/) messages.

He was tricked into coming to what he believed would be a meeting with his daughter, where he was detained in possession of a camera, tripod and box of condoms.

Tom Corbett, the Pennsylvania attorney general, called on all parents to be vigilant about their children's online activities.

"Predators know that colder weather and shorter days mean that kids are spending more time inside, in front of their computers, and that many may be home alone – either before or after school," he said.

"As we have seen in a number of cases this year, including two of these most recent arrests, predators are reaching out to real families in Pennsylvania – and tips from those families are resulting in arrests."

Forehand faces several charges relating to his alleged approaches to his daughter. He was one of five men held in the sting last week.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/6306254/Man-asked-daughter-for-sex-on-Facebook.html

[mrmcdonaldduck]

that is just disgusting

[DarkWingedAngel]

i read about this like 2 days ago i think
it's pretty sad

[Sage]

Come to daddy.

[Aves]

Come to daddy.

Creepy, but yes :P jk

[Aηdy]

That's just freakin' sick!

You have to be pretty twisted to even think about that about that, not only someone so young, but your own flesh and blood.

[Discomposure]

Yeah, that is sick. And I agree with what Andy said.
ergh.

[Sapphire]

Things like this do happen and it's the reason I will never let my kids use the internet uncensored.

[nick]

Completely sick

[Sage]

Things like this do happen and it's the reason I will never let my kids use the internet uncensored.

Because this happens to everyone, all the time.

[Cloud]

that is disguisting
why would you even fucking consider that
but the thing about monitoring internet activitys
thats stupid
like that girl told her mother
so surely shows that were responsible enough to look after ourselves

[Sapphire]

Because this happens to everyone, all the time.
but the thing about monitoring internet activitys
thats stupid
like that girl told her mother
so surely shows that were responsible enough to look after ourselves

The grooming of children by sexual predators through the internet happens enough for it to be a real concern. The internet allows these people unsupervised contact with a greater number of vulnerable children which results in a greater number of children being groomed and assaulted.

The fact that you both have responded to my post like this disgusts me.

[Cloud]

The grooming of children by sexual predators through the internet happens enough for it to be a real concern. The internet allows these people unsupervised contact with a greater number of vulnerable children which results in a greater number of children being groomed and assaulted.

The fact that you both have responded to my post like this disgusts me.

mine wasnt in response to yours it was to the thing on the report saying about how children basicly shouldnt be tristed on the net
i sholdvbe added that yea children should be told about the risks
but still sohuld be given an element of trust
rather than have it completely taken away and have the INTERNET IS EVIL message drilled into their heads

[Sapphire]

mine wasnt in response to yours it was to the thing on the report saying about how children basicly shouldnt be tristed on the net
i sholdvbe added that yea children should be told about the risks
but still sohuld be given an element of trust
rather than have it completely taken away and have the INTERNET IS EVIL message drilled into their heads
Where did the report say that children can't be trusted?
Where did the report say that children shouldn't be allowed to use the internet?
Where did the report say that children should be told repeatedly that the internet is evil?

In reality, it says nothing of the sort.

The report is highlighting how parents can protect their children from some evil people who use the internet as a vehicle to commit their crimes.

[Cloud]

Where did the report say that children can't be trusted?
Where did the report say that children shouldn't be allowed to use the internet?
Where did the report say that children should be told repeatedly that the internet is evil?

In reality, it says nothing of the sort.

The report is highlighting how parents can protect their children from some evil people who use the internet as a vehicle to commit their crimes.

where did i say it did
i said it basicly said that
so its implying it when it says parents need to be more vigilant of their children on the internet
well thats what i felt it meant anyway

[Sapphire]

where did i say it did
i said it basicly said that
so its implying it when it says parents need to be more vigilant of their children on the internet
well thats what i felt it meant anyway
It's not implying anything of the sort!
It's outlining a real danger that unscrupulous adults pose to vulnerable children and how parents can help to keep their children safe.

[Cloud]

It's not implying anything of the sort!
It's outlining a real danger that unscrupulous adults pose to vulnerable children and how parents can help to keep their children safe.

yea i got that bit second bit

but were all gonna have different reactions to an article
like i felt it implied that
you didnt
clear example of difference in reactions
but jsut cos yo didnt does it mean that my opinions wrong on it?

[Sage]

It's not implying anything of the sort!
It's outlining a real danger that unscrupulous adults pose to vulnerable children and how parents can help to keep their children safe.

I'm just saying it's a better idea to teach children how to point out suspicious people on the internet and learn responsibility rather than putting up a proverbial Great Wall of China. If someone wants to do something, they'll do it, restrictions and censorship only make that which is being withheld all the more enticing.

[Sapphire]

but were all gonna have different reactions to an article
like i felt it implied that
you didnt
clear example of difference in reactions
but jsut cos yo didnt does it mean that my opinions wrong on it?
When the predator is the one who is behaving maliciously and breaking the law, when this is acknowledged in the article and when the article outlines how a parent can help protect their child, how can you interpret it as implying that children are the ones who can't be trusted?

It looks like you are trying to find something to complain about without having any real comprehension for the topic being discussed.

Also, btw, when you say that something "basically says X, Y and Z" you are saying that when you break it down to the basic level it is saying X, Y and Z - implication is totally different.

I'm just saying it's a better idea to teach children how to point out suspicious people on the internet and learn responsibility rather than putting up a proverbial Great Wall of China. If someone wants to do something, they'll do it, restrictions and censorship only make that which is being withheld all the more enticing.
The best approach is to put up parental blocks and warn them about the dangers out there.
To only warn them about the dangers of online communications but to do nothing practical is the equivilent of teaching them "stranger danger" but letting them wander the streets alone and unsupervised.

[Sage]

The best approach is to put up parental blocks and warn them about the dangers out there.
To only warn them about the dangers of online communications but to do nothing practical is the equivilent of teaching them "stranger danger" but letting them wander the streets alone and unsupervised.

But that won't do shit because it's just hammering it into their heads that you always know better, when in reality, there's an unfortunate thing called 'being a teenager' where kids get this crazy idea that their parents don't know everything.

[Sapphire]

But that won't do shit because it's just hammering it into their heads that you always know better, when in reality, there's an unfortunate thing called 'being a teenager' where kids get this crazy idea that their parents don't know everything.
How is it that your way would work but my way wouldn't do shit?
I ask because both have the common element of informing children of the dangers others can pose to them - the only difference being that my way involves the parents also taking practical measures to protect the children.

To only give them advice on how to spot a suspicious character online and how to responsibly act once they have is the equivilent of sending a child out on the streets at night unsupervised and alone.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

The grooming of children by sexual predators through the internet happens enough for it to be a real concern. The internet allows these people unsupervised contact with a greater number of vulnerable children which results in a greater number of children being groomed and assaulted.

The fact that you both have responded to my post like this disgusts me.

I'm 14, and know what to look out for. If you do your job as a parent right, you won't have to worry about it. Yes it is good to check in on your kids myspace/facebook/ect. every now and them but no need to hover over them.
This kinda stuff happens alot yes, but people blame the kids alot of the time, saying they should know better, but how can they know better is their parents aren't smart enough to teach them better?

[Sapphire]

I'm 14, and know what to look out for. If you do your job as a parent right, you won't have to worry about it. Yes it is good to check in on your kids myspace/facebook/ect. every now and them but no need to hover over them.
This kinda stuff happens alot yes, but people blame the kids alot of the time, saying they should know better, but how can they know better is their parents aren't smart enough to teach them better?
And who exactly blames the kids? Who exactly blames the parents even?
Because it's certainly not the police, the government or the legal system.

The only one to blame in a case like this is the sexual predator.
That is why the predator is the one who gets punished and no one else.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

And who exactly blames the kids? Who exactly blames the parents even?
Because it's certainly not the police, the government or the legal system.

The only one to blame in a case like this is the sexual predator.
That is why the predator is the one who gets punished and no one else.

You make a good point. But the kids do get blamed alot of the times. When it's makes a really big deal and goes on the news and stuff, you here people talk about it around you.
I find it super sick that people even look at kids like that, even sicker that they get out of jail after a few years. Just with a mile of where i live there is 16 pedophiles.
As for it happening over the internet, if kids got educated right, there'd be alot less of this going on.

[Sapphire]

You make a good point. But the kids do get blamed alot of the times. When it's makes a really big deal and goes on the news and stuff, you here people talk about it around you.That is ignorant gossip and so it's hardly representative, don't you think?

As for it happening over the internet, if kids got educated right, there'd be alot less of this going on.
Kids are educated enough about it happening in real life and yet that still happens. Simply educating kids isn't enough - regardless of whether the danger is online or offline.

[tyler27846]

wow thats just creepy

[Cloud]

It looks like you are trying to find something to complain about without having any real comprehension for the topic being discussed.

how am i??
i stated an opinion and you went off on me for that
so really it looks like your guilty of that one

[Mzor203]

Sapphire: As a child who's mother lets me have little freedom and does attempt to censor the stuff I see, you're going to have one hell of a time keeping your kids away from anything on the internet if they're determined. The amount of shit I pull without my parents knowing or finding out is amazing. The problem is, if you don't teach them how to operate technology, you're going to be giving them a hard time for the future, because technology is so important in our day's society. Yet teach them anything about it, and they may become tech-geniuses who can pretty much bypass any system put in place to try to keep them away from anything.

I was raised perfectly, in every way except that my mom was too protected. How did I turn out? Horrible, since I was being kept away from stuff, not given any freedom. Now the only thought in my mind towards this stuff is rebelling and breaking free of that hold.

I don't have much more to say, but for the fact that since this was her father, he would've tracked her down in any case. Having him contact her on a medium that wasn't trackable and didn't leave proof would be worse in this situation, because it would have been much harder to convict him.

[Sapphire]

how am i??
i stated an opinion and you went off on me for that
so really it looks like your guilty of that oneLol, why don't you just stop talking, eh?
I know more about this than you ever will.

And it looks like you are trying to find something to complain about as you are seeing things in the article that absolutely are not there.

Also, would you care to address this?: "When the predator is the one who is behaving maliciously and breaking the law, when this is acknowledged in the article and when the article outlines how a parent can help protect their child, how can you interpret it as implying that children are the ones who can't be trusted?"

Sapphire: As a child who's mother lets me have little freedom and does attempt to censor the stuff I see, you're going to have one hell of a time keeping your kids away from anything on the internet if they're determined. The amount of shit I pull without my parents knowing or finding out is amazing. The problem is, if you don't teach them how to operate technology, you're going to be giving them a hard time for the future, because technology is so important in our day's society. Yet teach them anything about it, and they may become tech-geniuses who can pretty much bypass any system put in place to try to keep them away from anything.Tell me, where have I said that I wouldn't teach them about technology or the dangers that pose them over the internet?

I was raised perfectly, in every way except that my mom was too protected. How did I turn out? Horrible, since I was being kept away from stuff, not given any freedom. Now the only thought in my mind towards this stuff is rebelling and breaking free of that hold.And if she had never tried to protect you, you could have fallen prey of a predator without even having to rebel which is infinitely more dangerous.

[Zephyr]

Between ages 13-17,
I couldn't even begin to tell you how many messages I got,
Along the lines of, "Hey sugar, wanna come play with daddy?",
From older guys on social networking sites.
It's flat out disgusting and wrong.
Sad thing is, a lot of my friends would get messages from these same people as well.
I always reported the messages,
After I ripped them a new arsehole for even thinking I'd engage in activities with them.
I'm glad to hear that people are reporting these predators and pedophiles.

[Cloud]

Lol, why don't you just stop talking, eh?
I know more about this than you ever will.

And it looks like you are trying to find something to complain about as you are seeing things in the article that absolutely are not there.

Also, would you care to address this?: "When the predator is the one who is behaving maliciously and breaking the law, when this is acknowledged in the article and when the article outlines how a parent can help protect their child, how can you interpret it as implying that children are the ones who can't be trusted?"


clearly carole you cant grasp the concept of people seeing things differently to yourself
i said that is MY interpretation MY view MY opinion of it. all those things based on MY thought, you cant decide what goes on in my head and what doesnt so you cant dictate or tell what i think so run along and stop trying to start a fight over a persons interpetations.

and if yo read my other posts youll see i was referring to a different bit of the article

and just because you know more about it doesnt mean im going to give up my thoughts and bow down to you. its a thought all peoples thoughts are different so get used to it please

[Sapphire]

I will ask you a third time, please address this: "When the predator is the one who is behaving maliciously and breaking the law, when this is acknowledged in the article and when the article outlines how a parent can help protect their child, how can you interpret it as implying that children are the ones who can't be trusted?"

[Cloud]

I will ask you a third time, please address this: "When the predator is the one who is behaving maliciously and breaking the law, when this is acknowledged in the article and when the article outlines how a parent can help protect their child, how can you interpret it as implying that children are the ones who can't be trusted?"

by implying that the children are going to fall for the predators trickery and therefore the parents are needed to spy on their actions
not trusting the children enough to have them be able to report the problem themselves

[Sapphire]

by implying that the children are going to fall for the predators trickery and therefore the parents are needed to spy on their actions
not trusting the children enough to have them be able to report the problem themselvesIt is a well-established fact that children do fall victim to these predators.
http://www.asbj.com/TopicsArchive/SafeFromHarm/RecognizingSexualGrooming.aspx
Why you are acting as if it isn't a fact is truly beyond me.

It's not advocating parents "spying" on their children - it's advocating that parents take precautions (setting up parental blocks on the computer etc) to help the law protect their children.

They do need to be protected like this because of how predators go about grooming children.
The act of grooming a child sexually may include activities that are legal in and of themselves, but later lead to sexual contact. Typically, this is done to gain the child's trust as well as the trust of those responsible for the child's well-being. Furthermore, research has shown children are less likely to report a crime if it involves someone that he or she knows, trusts, and/or cares about

[lipstick_kisses23]

i cant believe how effed up the world is now. he was preying on his own kin! thats disgusting, vile, and he should be locked away forever.

[Sage]

i cant believe how effed up the world is now. he was preying on his own kin! thats disgusting, vile, and he should be locked away forever.

Things've always been bad. You're just able to hear about them now through TV and the internet.