Who agrees that weed should be legal

[tyler_52]

I was thinking, since it helps people in medical situations, why is it illegal to everyone else ???? isnt this unfair?

[The Joker]

Because not everyone will use it for medical reasons. Le duh.

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

There are a lot of arguments for and against legalization of weed, but I think whether it has benefits in select individual cases (dealing with the terminally ill, no less, which doesn't apply to "everyone else") isn't the most compelling argument. Morphine helps a lot of people who are hospitalized for moderate to severe injuries, as well as other conditions which cause pain, but that doesn't mean we should make it legal for everyone to walk down to the store and buy some for personal use. The same can be said of many many other drugs, but no one is clamoring to make all of them legal to anyone who decides that they want some.

Also: even if marijuana is used medicinally in some cases, the jury is still out over that; it's hardly accepted by the majority as an herb with legitimate medical properties, and that's going to really get in your way if medicinal value is your only argument.

There are some good arguments for legalization, though, and I encourage you to do some more research on the subject. You've made it known that you feel strongly about weed being legal (or at least not frowned upon by so many people). When you have strong opinions on an issue, or even if you're still forming them, the best thing you can do is to look it up. Read some arguments for and against your position, and try to look at it all as objectively as you can. There are always more sides to things, and no argument is as effective as one that addresses counter-arguments and still comes out strong.

[Sage]

I don't believe in the government taking the role of national parents. I'm for it.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

only if under supervision should it be legal. they should also trial it somewhere before it is nation wide.

[Sage]

only if under supervision should it be legal. they should also trial it somewhere before it is nation wide.

It's legal in Holland. And who exactly would be supervising? Why don't we start paying guys to look over the shoulders of people in smoking rooms?

[Biolink]

Well obviously, if it helps people that are terminally ill, its going to be legal to help those people get by on a daily basis, with what little time they have left.

My argument for "casual", smoking is like this.

Cigarettes kill hundreds of people a day. Millions of people around the world per year. Perfectly legal.

No one has ever gotten lung cancer, been hospitalized, and died directly from smoking too much marijuana. Though its still up for debate as to exactly how hazardous it is for your health. Point being, it will make news headlines around the world the day its revealed that someone out there actually smoked so much of it, that they got cancer. And really, since Tommy Chong(Of Cheech & Chong) has been smoking it everyday since probably the 60's, and you have Rasta's, and people that live a hemp lifestyle on a daily basis, I'm finding it hard for there to be someone that could get complications from smoking too much.

People die each day from Alcohol accidents. Perfectly legal. I've had alcohol poisoning from drinking too much and almost died(Horrible irresponsibility on my part). The worst that's ever happened to me from smoking too much marijuana was I got a panic attack and started flipping out, but within 2 hours I was okay.

Alcohol and Marijuana inebriate you. Cigarettes over time WILL kill you. Point I'm making is that, really in the long run I don't think it will be that bad for it be legalized. People that smoke marijuana will. People who don't smoke won't. People drink and drive like you wouldn't believe.

If its made legal they should tax the hell out of it, and make it so that only 21 year olds and older are able to buy. Make it illegal to smoke while driving. Mike it illegal to smoke anywhere outside, but the privacy of your home or a lounge. Put in precautionary steps so as to avoid any complications. Alcohol is legal and its the 2nd or 3rd biggest unnatural killer in the United States IIRC(Can't remember if its Car crashes or Alcohol, but both have somewhat of a direct correlations) behind only cigarettes. Doesn't make me fearful that everybody I see on the road, will be some idiotic drunkard just because its legal. I make the assumption that I am the only one on the road that can drive well anyways, because if I don't know you, I don't trust you. You can never make assumptions with your life. There's nothing from stopping somebody from driving while being high out of his mind considering Marijuana's wide availability. You just gotta do, whatever you can do to protect yourself.

There are a lot of arguments for and against legalization of weed, but I think whether it has benefits in select individual cases (dealing with the terminally ill, no less, which doesn't apply to "everyone else") isn't the most compelling argument. Morphine helps a lot of people who are hospitalized for moderate to severe injuries, as well as other conditions which cause pain, but that doesn't mean we should make it legal for everyone to walk down to the store and buy some for personal use.

While I get the general gist of what you're saying, a narcotic painkiller like Morphine is an entirely different level than Marijuana. Morphine is really used as a last resort and is almost sort of frowned upon within the Medical community. I'd say possibly more frowned upon than Marijuana. That's because Opiate based drugs, especially Morphine are very easy to become physically dependent on, and if you use them too long it will take a long while for your body to get used to not operating while on the drug. Marijuana is more of mental dependency. Your body doesn't need it, but something in your brain is telling you that you are craving the drug to operate

[puke]

I registered just to Agree With W33D being Legalised =D

[sebbie]

Arguing about the legalisation of weed is a tricky subject, there are so many points and counter points to it. However if it was to be legalised I personally think it should still be controlled. Eg. You have to be older than 18 / 21 to buy it. Similar to Alcohol and cigarettes.

[Zazu]

Arguing about the legalisation of weed is a tricky subject, there are so many points and counter points to it. However if it was to be legalised I personally think it should still be controlled. Eg. You have to be older than 18 / 21 to buy it. Similar to Alcohol and cigarettes.

I agree.

[tyler_52]

its legal in toronto.. my brother went there and there was this building with vaporisers on every table and theres a store where you can buy gummie bears and chips

[CaptainObvious]

its legal in toronto.. my brother went there and there was this building with vaporisers on every table and theres a store where you can buy gummie bears and chips

Not true. Toronto has the same laws on the subject as the rest of the province/country. Where your brother went is called Vapor Central; I go every so often with friends, but the whole thing is a bit shady because technically everyone who uses their facilities is supposed to be a "member", implying that the whole thing is part of the legal medical marijuana framework. In reality, you pay $5 and you're a "member" for the day, and few of the people in there at any given time are actually medical users. But it's good fun. Conveniently located in Yongesterdam, too.

[The Joker]

its legal in toronto.. my brother went there and there was this building with vaporisers on every table and theres a store where you can buy gummie bears and chips

No it is not legal in Toronto. Lots of places have that, but they are usually underground and shady. This happens where I live too, it is still illegal here.

[tyler_52]

No it is not legal in Toronto. Lots of places have that, but they are usually underground and shady. This happens where I live too, it is still illegal here.

its not underground, i would know because there were cops outside the door

[zgrazier]

Agreeeeeddd
<3

[CaptainObvious]

its not underground, i would know because there were cops outside the door

I'm sorry, how would you know? You said your brother went there, not you. Stop trying to make yourself seem more knowledgeable than you are. I've been to Vapor Central and the Kindred Cafe many times. They exist in an ambiguous legal status because in theory they are used by medical users for whom such activity is legal. In reality, this is not true in practice, and the Kindred Cafe got busted this year for its marijuana-laced food and drink, so don't be ignorant. You live in Barrie, I live in Toronto, I know what I'm talking about, you don't, stop passing on inaccurate second-hand information.

[XxHaViiK]

I wouldn't use it... Life in general is my drug :D But it would do the USA economy some good, I believe.

[Rutherford The Brave]

its not underground, i would know because there were cops outside the door

Technically it is legal is some states. Like Massachusetts. The worst you get in mass is a 100 doller fine. That is if you are carrying more than .8 of an ounce

[TheKingDavis]

DRUNK DRIVING KILLS

THEREFORE

DRIVING HIGH KILLS


in the US, people drive drunk, weed being made legal, people would drive high. allowing weed is just asking for more deaths imo

[CaptainObvious]

DRUNK DRIVING KILLS

THEREFORE

DRIVING HIGH KILLS


That is an absolutely terrible line of reasoning. Here's one: driving drunk kills, therefore driving after smoking cigarettes kills.

Different substances impart significantly different levels of impairment, but thaks for coming out.

[Sage]

in the US, people drive drunk, weed being made legal, people would drive high. allowing weed is just asking for more deaths imo

Lol. Most people I know just want to sit in their basements, munch on doritos and watch reruns of Scooby Doo when they're stoned.

[Eclipse]

I agree. What deschain said is very true lol and your just mellow and calm when your high not like crazy...

[Amyxoxo]

This is rediculus, why should weed be legalised?
Why should any drug be legalised? it would make the world into some junkie community more people would die than they already do from tobacco and alcohol. The only aception to this is purly for medical reasons. It would not be legal but it would be ok for them to use it, but this would be in controled situations.

[Rutherford The Brave]

This is rediculus, why should weed be legalised?
Why should any drug be legalised? it would make the world into some junkie community more people would die than they already do from tobacco and alcohol. The only aception to this is purly for medical reasons. It would not be legal but it would be ok for them to use it, but this would be in controled situations.

The world basically is a junkie community. Whether you legalize weed or not people are still going to smoke it...

[CaptainObvious]

This is rediculus, why should weed be legalised?
Why should any drug be legalised? it would make the world into some junkie community more people would die than they already do from tobacco and alcohol. The only aception to this is purly for medical reasons. It would not be legal but it would be ok for them to use it, but this would be in controled situations.

Alcohol is a drug. Tylenol is a drug. Cigarettes are a drug delivery mechanism. Your argument is incredibly weak. Especially because the empirical evidence shows that marijuana causes, on a per-user basis, far less damage than either alcohol or tobacco.

[sebbie]

The world basically is a junkie community. Whether you legalize weed or not people are still going to smoke it...

There is the idea that if it is made legal more people will consume it, therefore more people who smoke more will suffer the negative effects of cannabis

Alcohol is a drug. Tylenol is a drug. Cigarettes are a drug delivery mechanism. Your argument is incredibly weak. Especially because the empirical evidence shows that marijuana causes, on a per-user basis, far less damage than either alcohol or tobacco.

There is also investigations that show that it is more harmful than tobacco/alcohol unfortunately there is no set evidence which is worse

[CaptainObvious]

There is also investigations that show that it is more harmful than tobacco/alcohol unfortunately there is no set evidence which is worse

I have yet to ever see a properly conducted, scientific (or at least professional) study that purports marijuana to cause more holistic harm to a person than either tobacco or alcohol. Produce the evidence, please, or don't refer to it.

[sebbie]

I have yet to ever see a properly conducted, scientific (or at least professional) study that purports marijuana to cause more holistic harm to a person than either tobacco or alcohol. Produce the evidence, please, or don't refer to it.


Cannabis smoke contains the same cancer causing substances (carcinogens) as tobacco - at least 50 of them. In addition, cannabis is often mixed with tobacco when smoked.
One of these carcinogens is benzyprene. Benzyprene is in the tar of both tobacco and cannabis cigarettes. We know that benzyprene causes cancer. It alters a gene called p53, which is a tumour suppressor gene. We know that 3 out of 4 lung cancers (75%) occur in people who have faulty p53 genes. The p53 gene is also linked to many other cancers.

Cannabis also contains a substance called THC (tetrahydrocannabinol). It is the THC in the cannabis that changes your mood and behaviour. The amount of THC in a cannabis cigarette varies considerably. Researchers have shown that THC causes benzpyrene to promote the p53 gene to change.



- This is the findings of Cancer Research UK


In the first study of its kind, researchers found that smokers of marijuana and crack cocaine show the same kinds of precancerous conditions caused by smoking tobacco.

-The findings of US National Cancer Institute.

Both the above are respected organisations and that is there findings, however there will be other organisations with different findings. Which is why I said : There is also investigations that show that it is more harmful than tobacco/alcohol unfortunately there is no set evidence which is worse

I will link the source to the journals/articles later, I am running low on time at the moment.

[Amyxoxo]

Alcohol is a drug. Tylenol is a drug. Cigarettes are a drug delivery mechanism. Your argument is incredibly weak. Especially because the empirical evidence shows that marijuana causes, on a per-user basis, far less damage than either alcohol or tobacco.


My argument mabie weak but why legalise more drugs when the drugs that are already legal cause so much damage?

[Sage]

My argument mabie weak but why legalise more drugs when the drugs that are already legal cause so much damage?

Money.

The government can put taxes on it to collect money, our prisons would be less crowded because we wouldn't have to imprison people for petty bullshit, and drug cartels and gangs would lose a fair bit of business because people would rather buy from a safe, legal place, like a pharmacy or through doctor's prescription.

[Lily of the Valley]

Not to mention that it would make weed a whole lot safer for users if it was regulated like any other product. And doesn't the government want us to be safe? DOESN'T IT? >=o

Lolno.

~Maggot

[StarBoy]

It should be legalized...I got arrested for having a qp in a car :( My parents had to bail me out...

[sebbie]

It should be legalized...I got arrested for having a qp in a car :( My parents had to bail me out...

Don't break the law if your not willing to face the consequences. :rolleyes:

Money.
The government can put taxes on it to collect money, our prisons would be less crowded because we wouldn't have to imprison people for petty bullshit, and drug cartels and gangs would lose a fair bit of business because people would rather buy from a safe, legal place, like a pharmacy or through doctor's prescription.

This is a great point that refutes the legalisation argument that cannabis is only illegal because the government cannot make money off it.

[Lily of the Valley]

Don't break the law if your not willing to face the consequences. :rolleyes:Doesn't mean he has to agree with them.

~Maggot

[sebbie]

Doesn't mean he has to agree with them.

~Maggot

I never said he did.. :yawn:

[Lily of the Valley]

I never said he did.. :yawn:The snotty rolly-eyes face is kind of a hint. Not to mention that you brought it up when he never even said he wasn't prepared to accept the consequences.

~Maggot

[sebbie]

The snotty rolly-eyes face is kind of a hint. Not to mention that you brought it up when he never even said he wasn't prepared to accept the consequences.

~Maggot

My interpretation of his post is that it is a gripe about the consequences of breaking the law in this case concerning cannabis.

[Lily of the Valley]

My interpretation of his post is that it is a gripe about the consequences of breaking the law in this case concerning cannabis.Which is perfectly reasonable if he doesn't agree with the laws. I wouldn't like being arrested for smoking weed, but I do agree entirely that those that break the law should accept the consequences. But that doesn't mean I can't be kinda pissy when the law is stupid and unnecessary.

~Maggot

[clone]

if it was legal there wouldnt be drug wars and there would be less killing over it also, gangs wouldnt make terretories for drug selling witch causes conflict
overall, it could be legalized and there MAY be less deaths because of it.

feel free to disagree but remember the capatal MAY :)

[Sage]

if it was legal there wouldnt be drug wars

There would, just not over marijuana, which is partly why I personally am in favor of legalizing everything. But hey, that's a different debate.

[Lily of the Valley]

My dad, his girlfriend, and I were watching some cop show or something, and they were busting people bringing in marijuana by boat. They had the helicopters and the boats and everything. My dad was like, "Just nuke them right out of the water." I was like, "Uh, what?" He said, "Well, then they wouldn't be running drugs anymore." I couldn't help but be like, "Yeah, Dad, that's totally not cruel or unnecessary or excessive at all."

What a dick. =|

/useless post

~Maggot

[clone]

There would, just not over marijuana, which is partly why I personally am in favor of legalizing everything. But hey, that's a different debate.

thats kind of what i meant but i somewhat agree with the legalize everything less conflict

[Amyxoxo]

Its all just morally wrong :)

[Lily of the Valley]

Its all just morally wrong :)http://gloomies.com/comics/2006-11-02-aw_great_now_theres_worms_everywhere.jpg

~Maggot

[aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagg]

I think that legalizing weed wouldnt be a good idea unless it was pure marijuana, like without all the other shit people put in it.

[sebbie]

Its all just morally wrong :)

Morals differ from person to person.

There would, just not over marijuana, which is partly why I personally am in favor of legalizing everything. But hey, that's a different debate.

Legalisation of everything is a tricky point, usually the point why cannabis should be legalised is that it is less harmful that other drugs out there eg: Meth, Heroin Cocaine etc.

[uihwljtkegr]

Personally I whole-heartedly disagree.

Its used for medical reasons, so legalize is? Thats like saying morphine is used for medical reasons, so it should be legal. It doesn't work like that. I could tell you things that would make you never want to see any again.

What good comes of getting completely off your face? Plus, why would you want to get high, when you can get a guitar? :)

[Lily of the Valley]

The Union (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007)

EDIT: Aw. Well, that's a video on marijuana. Very informative, for anyone interested.

~Maggot

[The Joker]

My dad, his girlfriend, and I were watching some cop show or something, and they were busting people bringing in marijuana by boat. They had the helicopters and the boats and everything. My dad was like, "Just nuke them right out of the water." I was like, "Uh, what?" He said, "Well, then they wouldn't be running drugs anymore." I couldn't help but be like, "Yeah, Dad, that's totally not cruel or unnecessary or excessive at all."

What a dick. =|

/useless post

~Maggot

While I don't think pot should be legalized, if he was serious, than that's pretty stupid.

[CaptainObvious]

Its all just morally wrong :)

Having dark hair and posting Myspace-angle pics of yourself as your VirtualTeen avatar is morally wrong. :)

Oh wait, an indefensible statement and a cute smilie are poor substitutes for an actual argument. Don't waste our time, sweetheart.

[clone]

why would you want to get high, when you can get a guitar? :)

lots of people would say getting high would make it sound better

[BlackBetty]

Weed should be legal.. Even if it isn't, don't mean I won't smoke it :yeah

[gone]

I think it should be legal, and i dont even use it

[Sachin]

It shouldn't be legal, because it just SHOULDN'T. xD I believe it causes more harm than good. *nods*

[Stevo 69]

After what my brother has been through because of it, NO

Canibis has so many side effects

[cherry_boi]

personally i think alcohol is more destructive

when ur high u get really happy and really hungry

most alcoholics are alot less mellow when they r drunk

[ChicoSucio]

Ok, everybody be prepared im about to lay out some facts/opinions. But first of that kid that said "drunk driving kills therefore high driving kills so it should be illegal". Seriously don't talk about anything you have no clue about. That was probally the most ignorant and childish comment i have ever seen. But back on subject.

-yes marijuana smoke is more dangerous for you because it contains more tar, BUT people smoke less weed and less often than cigarettes. Also cigarettes have filters and marijuana pipes, blunts, joints usually dont.

-driving high is NOWHERE compareable to driving drunk, depending on level of high/blood alcohol. When your high and drive the only problems you face are paying too much atention to other things than the road. And you usually want to chill when your high instead not drive a bunch.

-weed is way better for you and others than alcohol. Also when your high you can straighten up and act normal rather than when being drunk. To add on you can still keep your sense of balance when being high.

-if weed was legalized the amount you users won't increase. People who want to smoke will do it regardless of the law.

-marijuana being legalized would bring in large sums of money for tax use.

-im not going to rave on about medical use because we all know that is used as an excuse a lot.

-Also marijuana makes food taste GREAT and makes music a whole new amazing world.


If it were to be legalized they should tax it, age restrict it, and make you not allowed to smoke and drive along with no public smoking.

P.S. I dont like smoking often because of the moral guilt that i get. I only do a few times a year for special occasions :)

[Hatsune Miku]

57 mg of CO2 is released on average when a marijuana cigarette weighing 1115 mg is burned. Take the number of people who smoke it, times 57 = How much CO2 is released

In other words, no. But that's just my opinion and doesn't mean shit.

[ChicoSucio]

After what my brother has been through because of it, NO

Canibis has so many side effects

I am intetested how marijuana affected your brother's life. Because i have many friends that smoke daily and they are just dandy(except the fact that they wana get high alot). Chances are that if your brother got in a lot of trouble or became a lot different he was doped up on other drugs.

[Sachin]

-driving high is NOWHERE compareable to driving drunk, depending on level of high/blood alcohol. When your high and drive the only problems you face are paying too much atention to other things than the road. And you usually want to chill when your high instead not drive a bunch.


I hope you don't own a car. xD

Okay kidding, kidding - but are you serious?! That sounds really stupid and dangerous; well I think it does, anyway. But... each for their own, I guess!

[ylllek nivyer]

Alright, here's my opinion:
Ban alcohol (again).
Ban tobacco.
legalize weed :).

cuz it's obviously a better and safer option than the other two.
alcohol is great, i can't lie, and so is tobacco too,
but weed is better and safer IMO. i would definately
have no problem givin up my cigs and booze for Mary Jane
:D

[Commander Thor]

57 mg of CO2 is released on average when a marijuana cigarette weighing 1115 mg is burned. Take the number of people who smoke it, times 57 = How much CO2 is released

In other words, no. But that's just my opinion and doesn't mean shit.

Every time you breathe out you release 37mg of CO2 (On average).
The average person breathes roughly 16 times per minute, the average year is 525948.766 minutes. An average person will live to be 67 years old. This means that the average person will exhale 20861230 grams, or 23 tons of CO2 in their lifetime. You cannot seriously be trying to come off as smoking pot adds to global warming when just breathing releases 65% of the CO2 released by 1 marijuana cigarette. And I'm sure you breathe more often than most smoke marijuana.

Short version of my post. Stop breathing. ;)


Oh and as a random tidbit of info. The average CO2 exhaled by humans in one year is 2230000000 tons, or 2.23 giga tons.
The current mass of CO2 in the atmosphere is 3000000000000 tons, or 3 tetratons.

[Hatsune Miku]

Every time you breathe out you release 37mg of CO2 (On average).
The average person breathes roughly 16 times per minute, the average year is 525948.766 minutes. An average person will live to be 67 years old. This means that the average person will exhale 20861230 grams, or 23 tons of CO2 in their lifetime. You cannot seriously be trying to come off as smoking pot adds to global warming when just breathing releases 65% of the CO2 released by 1 marijuana cigarette. And I'm sure you breathe more often than most smoke marijuana.

Short version of my post. Stop breathing. ;)


Oh and as a random tidbit of info. The average CO2 exhaled by humans in one year is 2230000000 tons, or 2.23 giga tons.
The current mass of CO2 in the atmosphere is 3000000000000 tons, or 3 tetratons.

Yeah, and add that with the Co2 from weed. It just adds on ;)

And plants breath in the Co2 that comes from humans. They cant breath in the Co2 from weed cause its smoke. Either that or it kills them
Hmmm...Help save the earth > Get high

[theOperaGhost]

Alright, here's my opinion:
Ban alcohol (again).
Ban tobacco.
legalize weed :).

cuz it's obviously a better and safer option than the other two.
alcohol is great, i can't lie, and so is tobacco too,
but weed is better and safer IMO. i would definately
have no problem givin up my cigs and booze for Mary Jane
:D

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen...

Here's a better option...
Make alcohol and tobacco illegal and keep the other drugs that are already illegal, illegal.

Using drugs is one of the most pointless and ignorant thing there is to do in this world.

[Commander Thor]

Yeah, and add that with the Co2 from weed. It just adds on ;)
My point was not that.
My point was that you, just by living, release more CO2 into the atmosphere than the average pot smoker.


And plants breath in the Co2 that comes from humans. They cant breath in the Co2 from weed cause its smoke. Either that or it kills them
Hmmm...Help save the earth > Get high
What are you on about dude?
CO2 is CO2, no matter where it comes from.
That's like saying the CO2 from cars can't be absorbed by plants because it's in exhaust.

[Hatsune Miku]

That's like saying the CO2 from cars can't be absorbed by plants because it's in exhaust.

Thats exactly what im saying [/sarcasm]

[ChicoSucio]

Alright, here's my opinion:
Ban alcohol (again).
Ban tobacco.
legalize weed :).

cuz it's obviously a better and safer option than the other two.
alcohol is great, i can't lie, and so is tobacco too,
but weed is better and safer IMO. i would definately
have no problem givin up my cigs and booze for Mary Jane
:D

That would never work they already tried banning alcohol back in the day and it failed. I think the reason why marijuana is illegal besides the whole taxation with the government thing. It's because everyone makes weed look like a horrible junkie drug. We were raised with the idea that marijuana is horrible and will ruin your life. But for alcohol we see everyone doing it for fun or to be social and it made us think alcohol is not bad. I think thats why it's still ilegal because of the image everyone put on it.

[Richthegamer99]

watch this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#

you will be very supirzed

[Rutherford The Brave]

Alright, here's my opinion:
Ban alcohol (again).
Ban tobacco.
legalize weed :).

cuz it's obviously a better and safer option than the other two.
alcohol is great, i can't lie, and so is tobacco too,
but weed is better and safer IMO. i would definately
have no problem givin up my cigs and booze for Mary Jane
:D

Banning alcohol, gave rise to organized crime. People still drank and that lead to more issues in the past. Tobacco is actually one of the leading crops in Americ, you can huff and puff (No pun intended) all you want but if we rid America of it, the farming industry will drop. Legalizing weed, maybe all well and good I for it don't doubt me. Butttt, if it creates issues criminally, and municapally. Then it is an issue.

[ylllek nivyer]

Banning alcohol, gave rise to organized crime. People still drank and that lead to more issues in the past. Tobacco is actually one of the leading crops in Americ, you can huff and puff (No pun intended) all you want but if we rid America of it, the farming industry will drop. Legalizing weed, maybe all well and good I for it don't doubt me. Butttt, if it creates issues criminally, and municapally. Then it is an issue.

oh, i know. i'm not saying it will ever happen. that would just be most conveniant for me :) lol.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen...

Here's a better option...
Make alcohol and tobacco illegal and keep the other drugs that are already illegal, illegal.

Using drugs is one of the most pointless and ignorant thing there is to do in this world.

why is it dumb? i don't think your dumb for not doing it. lol :)

That would never work they already tried banning alcohol back in the day and it failed.

i know. that's why i said "again."

[CaptainObvious]

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen...

Here's a better option...
Make alcohol and tobacco illegal and keep the other drugs that are already illegal, illegal.

Using drugs is one of the most pointless and ignorant thing there is to do in this world.

Watching TV is one of the most pointless and ignorant things there is to do in this world.

Wasting your time posting irrelevant crap on teen forums is one of the most pointless and ignorant things there is to do in this world.

See how easy and fun it is to make pointless unsubstantiated statements about leisure activities. Let's all do it! </sarcasm>

[Hatsune Miku]

Wasting your time posting irrelevant crap on teen forums is one of the most pointless and ignorant things there is to do in this world.


You just did what you stated was pointless and ignorant. Thus calling yourself pointless and ignorant. Congrats!

[CaptainObvious]

You just did what you stated was pointless and ignorant. Thus calling yourself pointless and ignorant. Congrats!

Oh my... and here I was thinking the </sarcasm> made it obvious enough. I guess one can never make it too easy for kiddies on internet forums...

[hugslut]

hahaha.

alcohol should stay legal, mj should stay illegal

[AllThatIsLeft]

Keep this on track.
And remember, no promoting of illegal activities.

~AllThatIsLeft

[Hatsune Miku]

Oh my... and here I was thinking the </sarcasm> made it obvious enough. I guess one can never make it too easy for kiddies on internet forums...


Indeed

[theOperaGhost]

Watching TV is one of the most pointless and ignorant things there is to do in this world.

Wasting your time posting irrelevant crap on teen forums is one of the most pointless and ignorant things there is to do in this world.

See how easy and fun it is to make pointless unsubstantiated statements about leisure activities. Let's all do it! </sarcasm>

Is watching TV and wasting your time on shitty teen forums deteriorating your body (I'd say mind, but TV and forums do deteriorate your mind)? Watching TV and sitting on forums is in no way comparable to using drugs.

See how easy and fun it is to argue your equally pointless and unsubstantiated statements!

[The Batman]

I can't believe no one commented this.Ok, everybody be prepared im about to lay out some facts/opinions. But first of that kid that said "drunk driving kills therefore high driving kills so it should be illegal". Seriously don't talk about anything you have no clue about. That was probally the most ignorant and childish comment i have ever seen. But back on subject.

-yes marijuana smoke is more dangerous for you because it contains more tar, BUT people smoke less weed and less often than cigarettes. Also cigarettes have filters and marijuana pipes, blunts, joints usually dont.

-driving high is NOWHERE compareable to driving drunk, depending on level of high/blood alcohol. When your high and drive the only problems you face are paying too much atention to other things than the road. And you usually want to chill when your high instead not drive a bunch.

-weed is way better for you and others than alcohol. Also when your high you can straighten up and act normal rather than when being drunk. To add on you can still keep your sense of balance when being high.

-if weed was legalized the amount you users won't increase. People who want to smoke will do it regardless of the law.

-marijuana being legalized would bring in large sums of money for tax use.

-im not going to rave on about medical use because we all know that is used as an excuse a lot.

-Also marijuana makes food taste GREAT and makes music a whole new amazing world.


If it were to be legalized they should tax it, age restrict it, and make you not allowed to smoke and drive along with no public smoking.

P.S. I dont like smoking often because of the moral guilt that i get. I only do a few times a year for special occasions :)
Dude all of your points are pretty stupid(can't think of a better word)

Driving under the influence of anything if it's marijuana or alcohol is completely stupid and dangerous. Marijuana is a depressant it slows down reaction time, and it makes you drowsy which is NOT safe while driving.

[2D]

It doesn't matter if we make it legal. And limiting it is pointless. You can't limit something like that. People will always want more. Besides, I highly doubt it will be legalized, but if it is then everything would largely be the same.

[CaptainObvious]

Is watching TV and wasting your time on shitty teen forums deteriorating your body (I'd say mind, but TV and forums do deteriorate your mind)? Watching TV and sitting on forums is in no way comparable to using drugs.

See how easy and fun it is to argue your equally pointless and unsubstantiated statements!

Yes, in many cases, watching TV and using the computer - being sedentary that is - does have deleterious effects on your body. So... your turn.

I can't believe no one commented this.
Dude all of your points are pretty stupid(can't think of a better word)

Driving under the influence of anything if it's marijuana or alcohol is completely stupid and dangerous. Marijuana is a depressant it slows down reaction time, and it makes you drowsy which is NOT safe while driving.

Actually, marijuana is not a depressant. Nor is it a stimulant, for the record - it's neither. And, for example, with sativa substrains, one would feel little or no drowsiness. As for reaction times, the slowdown could still easily leave a quick-reacting person with better reaction times than the average driver. It's not stupid in any way to note that driving high is very different than driving drunk.

[drumir93]

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen...

Here's a better option...
Make alcohol and tobacco illegal and keep the other drugs that are already illegal, illegal.

Using drugs is one of the most pointless and ignorant thing there is to do in this world.

You honestly believe that human beings don't deserve to have dominion over their own body?
I don't do any drugs and I don't plan on starting, clearly the same goes for you. But I'm sure you have unhealthy hobbies. I'm sure there are things you do that others in the general public don't agree with. But does that really mean personal opinions on such issues should be made into law for all others to follow, whether they be responsible, sensible, well-meaning or not?

I don't think so. In fact I think it spits in the face of individual Liberty at it upsets me that so many have that opinion.

[theOperaGhost]

Yes, in many cases, watching TV and using the computer - being sedentary that is - does have deleterious effects on your body. So... your turn.

Since when does watching TV and using the computer require a sedentary lifestyle? People can watch TV and still lead a perfectly healthy life. The same cannot be said for pot, unless it is used on very rare occasions. Pot use has many short-term and long-term side effects. THC acts as an agonist of the cannabinoid receptor which regulates vision, scent, behavior and mood, the immune system, the autonomic nervous system, and cell density sensing.

You honestly believe that human beings don't deserve to have dominion over their own body?
I don't do any drugs and I don't plan on starting, clearly the same goes for you. But I'm sure you have unhealthy hobbies. I'm sure there are things you do that others in the general public don't agree with. But does that really mean personal opinions on such issues should be made into law for all others to follow, whether they be responsible, sensible, well-meaning or not?

I don't think so. In fact I think it spits in the face of individual Liberty at it upsets me that so many have that opinion.

Do you know who creates laws in society? People with power. Laws are made by people with power to go by how they see things. Is it fair? No...unfortunately the law is the law. If people can get a person with power to change their mind, pot would be legalized...that isn't a very easy thing to do of course.

[drumir93]

Congratulations, you just wrote a paragraph and a half worth of sentences, all the while answering 0% of the question.
And honestly, I really think it's just a waiting game at this point. Right now the nation is being run by old people and baby-boomers(aka, besides for a few good ones, the generation that became one of the most useless and counter productive in modern civilization.)
Once, they get replaced by people of younger generations, most of which seem to agree with me on the issue, pot will be legalized, or decriminalized again.

[The Batman]

LOL this isn't about what generation is in office at all dude. I'm only 3 years older than you and quite liberal and I think it shouldn't legalized.

[theOperaGhost]

Congratulations, you just wrote a paragraph and a half worth of sentences, all the while answering 0% of the question.
And honestly, I really think it's just a waiting game at this point. Right now the nation is being run by old people and baby-boomers(aka, besides for a few good ones, the generation that became one of the most useless and counter productive in modern civilization.)
Once, they get replaced by people of younger generations, most of which seem to agree with me on the issue, pot will be legalized, or decriminalized again.

You asked "But does that really mean personal opinions on such issues should be made into law for all others to follow, whether they be responsible, sensible, well-meaning or not?" and I answered that. The laws are made by people with power. You and I do not have the money or the power to influence those laws. So yes, laws ARE based off of the personal opinions of those people in power and all others are expected to follow them. i.e, if I had the power to make a law that says anyone who walks through my door owes me $10, you would be a criminal if you walked through my door without paying $10. Is that fair? Is law fair? NO Law is only fair for power people who actually influence what is put into law and what is not.

[drumir93]

LOL this isn't about what generation is in office at all dude. I'm only 3 years older than you and quite liberal and I think it shouldn't legalized.

No one was talking about you. Your opinion isn't as popular as it was before. It has quite a lot to do with the generation.

[CaptainObvious]

Since when does watching TV and using the computer require a sedentary lifestyle? People can watch TV and still lead a perfectly healthy life.

The same can be said for marijuana. Wait, here comes your stunning rebuttal:

The same cannot be said for pot, unless it is used on very rare occasions.

Incorrect. There are many healthy users of marijuana. Perfectly healthy? Well... we could quibble forever about that, but sufficed to say it's a stupid criterion because by whose view is perfect defined? That is a subjective self-assessed utility decision, generally.

If you disagree that there are many healthy users of marijuana, I'm afraid you're going to have to provide me with the evidence that shows that every more-than-very-occasional user of marijuana must certainly have substantial health issues as a result. I wouldn't bother if I were you... because you can't, such evidence doesn't exist.

That statement was really not very intelligent.

Pot use has many short-term and long-term side effects. THC acts as an agonist of the cannabinoid receptor which regulates vision, scent, behavior and mood, the immune system, the autonomic nervous system, and cell density sensing.

Yes, using marijuana undeniably effects you. But that wasn't your original argument, you argued that its effects are detrimental. So, get on with substantiating that claim please.

[The Batman]

No one was talking about you. Your opinion isn't as popular as it was before. It has quite a lot to do with the generation.
Dude you said our generation which I am apart of so you were talking about me. And really find me some well documented statistics for your facts dude.

[theOperaGhost]

I don't disagree that there are many healthy users of pot. I could also find you healthy smokers and drinkers if you wanted me to.

I honestly don't give a fuck what people do to themselves. However, pot effects cognition and motor skills when you are under the influence. One of my friends smoked pot once and he refuses to do it again. Apparently he went to sleep and his friends tried to wake him. He punched a hole in the wall and knocked out the guy in the next room, rolled over and went back to sleep. He doesn't remember any of it, but the guy who got hit by the wall certainly remembered it.

The argument on whether pot should be legal or not is basically pointless...pot head are going to be pot heads either way. I'm mainly done with this argument simply because I myself think pot should be legalized since I feel alcohol is worse that pot. Why do I take the opposing side in the argument? It's fun!

[CaptainObvious]

I don't disagree that there are many healthy users of pot. I could also find you healthy smokers and drinkers if you wanted me to.

So... where does this leave your original argument? In tatters?

Also, for the record, please don't fall into the vacuous person's trap of equating marijuana and smoking. Smoking is a delivery method of the drug nicotine, and it's generally the most unhealthy. Smoking marijuana is popular, but that doesn't mean there aren't much safer and healthier ingestion methods - vaporizers, for example.

I honestly don't give a fuck what people do to themselves. However, pot effects cognition and motor skills when you are under the influence. One of my friends smoked pot once and he refuses to do it again. Apparently he went to sleep and his friends tried to wake him. He punched a hole in the wall and knocked out the guy in the next room, rolled over and went back to sleep. He doesn't remember any of it, but the guy who got hit by the wall certainly remembered it.

That sounds wrong. It's certainly possible (and there's no way I'm going to argue a story you heard from a friend, what would be the point?) but that is wildly abnormal behavior for someone influenced by marijuana. Lots of drinking going on as well, maybe?

The argument on whether pot should be legal or not is basically pointless...pot head are going to be pot heads either way. I'm mainly done with this argument simply because I myself think pot should be legalized since I feel alcohol is worse that pot. Why do I take the opposing side in the argument? It's fun!

I don't know if debating on VirtualTeen has given you an over-inflated sense of your own debating abilities, but generally one only plays Devil's Advocate when properly able to argue the position. Otherwise, it's just a waste of time as opposed to fun diversion.

[theOperaGhost]

I don't have an over-inflated sense of my own debating skills...I knew I was fucked in this debate from the beginning. THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME! I'M BORED, I NEED SOMETHING TO DO!

As for your second paragraph...I never said anything about associating marijuana with smoking...I was talking about tobacco smoke when I said I could find healthy smokers and drinkers...I hope you got that I meant drinkers of alcohol...not water or some other fluid that people normally drink.

I also cannot vouch for my friends story...I didn't know him at the time. I just know from that story and from all of my other friends who smoke pot, paranoia is a very common side effect of pot. I've seen extreme paranoia in some cases. That is not a good thing and can definitely put other people at risk, along with the person actually ingesting the pot (although, as I've already pointed out, I don't give a fuck about them).

Now...I feel that the only way I'm going to truly be able to properly argue my position is by first hand experience of pot. Am I going to use pot just so I can properly argue my position? Most likely not...I prefer meth.

[drumir93]

Dude you said our generation which I am apart of so you were talking about me. And really find me some well documented statistics for your facts dude.

You are one single individual out of millions born in recent decades. You're not exactly an earth-shaking counter force to the majority. In fact, you're completely insignificant. And don't call me Dude, I'd rather just be your Bitch.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/why-marijuana-legalization-is-gaining.html

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6838
"Nearly two-thirds of 18-29 year-olds (65 percent) and half of 50-64 year-olds think federal law should be amended to allow states the option to regulate marijuana, while majorities of 30-49 year-olds (58 percent) and seniors 65 and older (52 percent) oppose such a change."

[quartermaster]

I believe marijuana should be legalized. The pretense of a benevolent government telling its citizenry what it can and cannot put into their bodies, because it is accordingly "bad," is absurd; such dictation is a usurpation of freedom and an erroneous misallocation of government resources. Of course, the fallacy of marijuana being illegal because it is a “gateway drug” or illegal to protect citizenry is easily refuted with the government allowance of nicotine and alcohol. In short, I believe marijuana should be legalized and taxed as any other commodity and put unto the market for the consumer, allowing market freedoms to prevail without government intervention under the pretense of protection.

[The Batman]

You are one single individual out of millions born in recent decades. You're not exactly an earth-shaking counter force to the majority. In fact, you're completely insignificant. And don't call me Dude, I'd rather just be your Bitch.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/why-marijuana-legalization-is-gaining.html

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6838
"Nearly two-thirds of 18-29 year-olds (65 percent) and half of 50-64 year-olds think federal law should be amended to allow states the option to regulate marijuana, while majorities of 30-49 year-olds (58 percent) and seniors 65 and older (52 percent) oppose such a change."

That's not what you said in your original post.

Congratulations, you just wrote a paragraph and a half worth of sentences, all the while answering 0% of the question.
And honestly, I really think it's just a waiting game at this point. Right now the nation is being run by old people and baby-boomers(aka, besides for a few good ones, the generation that became one of the most useless and counter productive in modern civilization.)
Once, they get replaced by people of younger generations, most of which seem to agree with me on the issue, pot will be legalized, or decriminalized again.
Your statistics want the state to be able to regulate it but you said in your post our generation wants it legalized. So like i said before find me some sources.

[drumir93]

That's not what you said in your original post.


Your statistics want the state to be able to regulate it but you said in your post our generation wants it legalized. So like i said before find me some sources.

That's a good call. Unfortunately I couldn't quite find the exact statistics I was hoping to mostly because they don't go around asking to many teens what they think about the issue. But this does say something significant. It means that 2/3 of people 18-29 are willing to accept marijuana as part of the culture in the same way they do alcohol, (I also should have clarified earlier that I don't think children or anyone who hasn't grown a mature brain that can resist damage from marijuana should be able to smoke it, just the same as alcohol)
I don't like to assume things in debate, but I think everyone can agree that if marijuana was regulated by states it would be legal for those 18 or 21 and up. My logic says basically that this means those people think it should be legalized for those of proper age, which just happens to be most everybody.

[Bluearmy]

It's not the nicotine. It's the smoke. the smooOOOooOOOoOOOOoooke.

[Ghoti]

no i dont want to be a loser who does drugs. Drugs are for wimps who cant take fear and death.

[Rutherford The Brave]

no i dont want to be a loser who does drugs. Drugs are for wimps who cant take fear and death.

I do not understand your logic, please elaborate.

[Ghoti]

My logic implies that a simpleton with lack of knowledge about how to deal with his/her emotions would slack off and pick the easy route which of course is drugs. Drugs are dangerous and harmful. A fool would use them.

[Rutherford The Brave]

My logic implies that a simpleton with lack of knowledge about how to deal with his/her emotions would slack off and pick the easy route which of course is drugs. Drugs are dangerous and harmful. A fool would use them.

Drugs aren't always used by people who are upset though. Weed and alcohol are actually depressants. A lack of knowledge of how to deal with emotions would result probably in someone living a secluded life, not have many friends and in some extreme cases suicide. I know that people get addicted to drugs in bad times, but that doesn't mean they slack off. Also, so what if drugs are harmless? Life is boring if you don't go out and try to make the best of it.

Also since you never specified, some people need to take drugs for health reasons, so you must be saying that all people whether they use drugs recreationally or through prescriptions are all fools.

[theOperaGhost]

Drugs aren't always used by people who are upset though. Weed and alcohol are actually depressants. A lack of knowledge of how to deal with emotions would result probably in someone living a secluded life, not have many friends and in some extreme cases suicide. I know that people get addicted to drugs in bad times, but that doesn't mean they slack off. Also, so what if drugs are harmless? Life is boring if you don't go out and try to make the best of it.

Also since you never specified, some people need to take drugs for health reasons, so you must be saying that all people whether they use drugs recreationally or through prescriptions are all fools.

1) weed is not a depressant.
2) I find it pretty easy to lead an entertaining life without using harmful drugs. What's the fun in getting so drunk you can't remember the entire night you just spent laying in front of the toilet you just puked in? I've honestly never seen where the appeal is in that.

[Rutherford The Brave]

1) weed is not a depressant.
2) I find it pretty easy to lead an entertaining life without using harmful drugs. What's the fun in getting so drunk you can't remember the entire night you just spent laying in front of the toilet you just puked in? I've honestly never seen where the appeal is in that.

I wasn't exactly saying that you should look to drugs to make your life great. I was saying you have to make the best of it and if you choose to use drugs that's your choice.

I heard it before, It's certainly and arguement worth looking into. I just heard it from my therapist.

[theOperaGhost]

I choose to prolong my life, not shorten it.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I choose to prolong my life, not shorten it.

You can't take away others right to shorten it if they so choose however. I didn't really ask you anyway.

[theOperaGhost]

I didn't really ask you anyway.

I believe this is an open topic in a forum...that gives me the right to reply. If you don't want other people to reply, PM the person you're asking.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Yeah but what I ment was I didn't ask you what your opinion was. I don't mind if you reply to what I say. I just don't recall asking for your personal prefrence.

[Natoja12]

i disagree. as there are ppl who use weed and lead a perfectly normal lifestyle there are also those who dont. and i think if they made it legal and anyone could get there hands on it. the ppl who lead a normal life...wont.

[Kitty Purry]

No because it is a drug and is considered thta because of what it does to people

[SammyGoNuts]

No because it is a drug and is considered thta because of what it does to people

Alcohol has even more detrimental effects though. Yet, it is legal.

[sebbie]

A point I always try to get people to consider, is should we be looking at other drugs in order to justify another?

Saying alcohol is worse, does not make cannabis any better. People need to look at things individually and make up their mind on them.

[Infraction]

I know drugs are illegal and 'apparently' really bad for you, but tbh, I don't plan on doing drugs right now and im not really bothered by them.

I would have the same chance of doing them if they were legal, compared to now :s

[SammyGoNuts]

A point I always try to get people to consider, is should we be looking at other drugs in order to justify another?

Saying alcohol is worse, does not make cannabis any better. People need to look at things individually and make up their mind on them.

I was only pointing it out, not using it as a basis for a reason to legalizing cannabis. I never even mentioned my stand on the matter, but I think it should be legal for monetary reasons.

Just curious: What does "justifying" the use of drugs have to do with anything? If people want to do it, then let them, I say. It's only when it comes at the expense of others that it becomes a problem (such as driving while high), which could easy be made specifically illegal.

[INFERNO]

No because it is a drug and is considered thta because of what it does to people

Any chemical that you ingest is technically a drug, whether it be water, rat poison, cannabis, etc... . So that part of the argument is moot. Something that is harmful and illegal is deemed a drug simply as a way to differentiate those substances from other ones. I included them being illegal because very often, for reasons that seem pretty stupid to me, people may say "drugs and alcohol". I can only assume that alcohol is left out because it's not illegal. If a chemical is harmful to someone, it can get a very original name of an adverse drug, a harmful drug, etc... . Reconsider your definitions.


Just curious: What does "justifying" the use of drugs have to do with anything? If people want to do it, then let them, I say. It's only when it comes at the expense of others that it becomes a problem (such as driving while high), which could easy be made specifically illegal.

People want the drug use to be justified so they can understand that it's being used or allowed for more objective reasons as opposed to someone's subjective view who is already using the drug. When you say that people can do the drugs if they want, then generally they'll want a reason for why they or others do it. When someone does something, such as taking cocaine but the reasons for doing it either are non-existent or are nonsensical, then people strive to understand why someone would do such a thing. People want things to be justified because in the world we live in, reasons are assumed to make sense.

There have been various studies where students would go to an academic advisor and one group of students gets actual advice, while the other group gets a bunch of gibberish. The students who get gibberish try to make sense of it, even if it's not possible and when they try, the gibberish becomes new gibberish. For example, if there are several friends in school and one friend tells the others they're going to hand in their assignment late while the others hand it in on time, then the friends want to know why it'll be handed in late. It doesn't directly affect them in any way and the person is going to hand it in late for whatever reason, however, it's against the norm and so people become curious why their friend is opposing the norm.

[nnnm]

Alright, I don't do weed. (jst clarifying) Last year I wrote an essay on why it should be legal. The government could profit so much for selling weed. The numbers are over $50billion, not including money saved by not paying for rehab and prison for people who sell weed.

[Charleigh]

it doesnt help coz it causes the schitz =/

[sasquatch]

"drugs are for wimps who can't take fear and death?"

drugs, drugs can be the most horrific blight to our planet, take the brutality that comes with the cocaine industry, look at the addiction, look at the suffering they cause. However, it has always been mankinds perogative to seek the horizon, or of course now, to reach space. It is this human quest to find the places beyond our normal lives. LSD or psylocybin, mescaline, DMT, salvia, 2Cb, these are not tools for those who fear life, we are simply stepping through the doors of the psyche, and i imagine that to those people sitting around the launchpad of the lunar 2 space shuttle in 1959, the concept of man on the moon was every bit as mindboggling and huge as some of the things those hallucigens can show you.

Cannabis offers the same, it is less about the physical effects on the body, muscle relaxation, slightly higher blood pressure, etc. It is about the phycological effect it has on you, It doesn't seperate you from reality like classic halluigens, instead i compare it to being in a helicopter aabove a city with a zoom lense. It is like a tool for stepping back within the contines of reality to a more objective view point.

So what are we then, if we are not cowards? well, we plumb the dpeths of the subconcious, we explore depths that science has not yet touched, the fear and misconceptions about drugs mean that the science behind the bending of reality has never been explored. The incredible power of the mind has never been mapped. It is like a vast galazy of incomprehension equal to the understanding we as humans have of our universe.
It could therefore be said that those who respect drugs, those who use them with the knowledge of what the true risks are and the open mindedness to explore a region so uncredible, psychonauts, are not unlike scientists.


Like the first man on the moon, the first caveman to bang rocks togetehr and make a flame, mankind will always strive to go further than the rules of the reality we live in. Drugs will always exist for the reason.

I believe then that someone so virulently apposed to drug users Has fear of the complexity of life, you fear that those peope you hate so much may know more than you, you cling to the boundaries of what you already know.

So my friend I do not believe that we are inferior to you because we break the law to open the door, it is you, so depserately trapped in your ignorance that you do not question your universe, who is backwards ;)

and charliegirl it can exasorbate the already existing symptoms of mental disorders, so it can trigger them with heavy sustained use,(drug abuse, not drug use) but it cannot cause mental disorders by itself. (apart from paranoia when abused, obviously)

Peace.

[AJay]

Personally I have to say that weed should be legal. But only to those people over eighteen.

And in return cigarettes should be banned.

[Big-O]

Personally, I could write pages and pages on this subject. I'll keep it short and to the point however. Marijuana should absolutely be legalized. And out of the thousands of valid reasons for it, I give you two.
1: Economy. The Government spends billions of dollars fighting the war on drugs,(which is mainly aimed torwards marijuana) and yet, marijuana is still the most widely used and easily accessible drugs you can get.
2: Personal Freedom. It's one of the things our country was built on. It's my body, I should be able to do with it what I want. Anything that says otherwise is unconstitutional. As long as I'm not harming anyone else, then I should be allowed to do it.

[Zazu]

Personally I have to say that weed should be legal. But only to those people over eighteen.

And in return cigarettes should be banned.

QFT.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Personally I have to say that weed should be legal. But only to those people over eighteen.

And in return cigarettes should be banned.

This would create a huge problem though, if we ban ciggarettes, our economy will be screwed. Tabacco is one of our leading exports, and it is one of the most grown crops in the country.

[Zazu]

This would create a huge problem though, if we ban ciggarettes, our economy will be screwed. Tabacco is one of our leading exports, and it is one of the most grown crops in the country.

That's one of the only reasons as to why it's still legal; purely for the economics.

I could personally see some kind of transition period working where tobacco was phased out and cannabis was slowly put in place of tobacco.

I still find it hard to believe that tobacco is still legal. I for one know how fucking addictive the stuff can be, but it's been known for a long time how lethal and toxic the stuff is, if only the tobacco companies hadn't suppressed the information for so long our governments wouldn't have to be dealing with what it does to people. We'd known since the 50s how dangerous it is, but greed and lust for money got in the way of nations' health.

[Norton]

Weed shuold bne legal for those over 18 IMO.
I'd rather deal with stoners all day than drunks, cause drunks get violent, emotional and worst of all, puke!

[Rutherford The Brave]

Weed shuold bne legal for those over 18 IMO.
I'd rather deal with stoners all day than drunks, cause drunks get violent, emotional and worst of all, puke!

Normal people puke, normal people can get violent. Do you hate dealing with them as well? I'm fairly certain stoners can be too.

[Bougainvillea]

From certain events in my past, I have nothing but contempt for people who smoke weed. It disgusts me. Even though I have an occasional ciggarette, I don't condone it.

And believe me, you wouldn't want to deal with pot dealers. Stop getting facts and ideas from pineapple express.

[CaptainObvious]

And believe me, you wouldn't want to deal with pot dealers. Stop getting facts and ideas from pineapple express.

...says you, with your massive wealth of experience from all the pot you smoke? Despite the stereotype of drug dealers as opportunistic criminal parasites, I know many pot dealers who are just lazy hippy potheads, not dangerous or undesirable criminals. Pineapple Express, being a movie, is obviously not a true depiction of reality; but it's not all that far off, in many cases.

[Bougainvillea]

No, just the people who I've met who are part of a gang who, in fact, are responsible for my dad's death. I've met a couple here, in this place I live in. It was quite unpleasant. And to me, it was enough to understand that it is dangerous to be part of, or exposed to any of it.

But, that's of course, just my expieriences.

Sorry. :)

[jbi0hazardj]

I was thinking, since it helps people in medical situations, why is it illegal to everyone else ???? isnt this unfair?

I definitely think medicinal marijuana should be legalized everywhere, I am still iffy on if it should just flat out be legalized, I am leaning more towards yes, but if it is it needs to be controlled by the government.

[Impact13]

i agree110% who made the decisions to illegalize it? Statistically speaking it is 38% less harmfull than alcohol; and it is medically impossible to overdose from it.

[Rutherford The Brave]

i agree110% who made the decisions to illegalize it? Statistically speaking it is 38% less harmfull than alcohol; and it is medically impossible to overdose from it.

Its not impossible, but rather implausible.

[2D]

Personal experience story: Me and my friends all pitched for a ounce of chronic and they went comatose before they overdosed. It's pretty damn difficult I think.

[theOperaGhost]

So...I've made many arguments against pot...mainly because it's fun to piss people off by disagreeing with them.

Here are my views. Should pot be legal? Yes...since alcohol is legal, pot should be legal. Whether pot it legal or not people are going to use it.

What happens when pot is legalized though? Then druggies will start lobbying for other, harder drugs to be legalized too. That's the argument for legalizing pot...alcohol and tobacco are legal, so pot should be too. Every drug might as well be legalized...more people will die, but hey...the world is over-populated anyway isn't it?

Pot should be legal, but I sure as hell won't become a fucking low-life pot head.

[The Batman]

What's the point of legalizing a recreational drug that has no heath benefits? Shouldn't cigs and alcohol be enough...

[2D]

It also doesn't have any negative side affects that damage your health. (In moderation)

[CaptainObvious]

No, just the people who I've met who are part of a gang who, in fact, are responsible for my dad's death. I've met a couple here, in this place I live in. It was quite unpleasant. And to me, it was enough to understand that it is dangerous to be part of, or exposed to any of it.

But, that's of course, just my expieriences.

Sorry. :)

Gangs are their own set of serious problems quite separate from pot.

[Antares]

I don't.

Why? Because it is perfectly fine the way it is now.
People will get it whether it is legal or illegal.

[CaptainObvious]

I don't.

Why? Because it is perfectly fine the way it is now.
People will get it whether it is legal or illegal.

Yes, but "the way it is now", anyone who is ever caught with drugs can be punished in a way that is extremely damaging to their future. The current President of the US would never have been able to go to the colleges - for which he would require financial aid, which is now barred for anyone with any kind of possession conviction - or have the future he did if he were caught using a bit of marijuana or cocaine when he was in college. Are we all seriously sitting here saying it would be a better outcome for Barack Obama to be some thuggish street criminal now due to being shoved into the judicial system at an early age, than the many positive things he has done (whether or not you agree with his being president)?

Yes, as a matter of practicality, with the exception of some extra precautions drugs might as well be legal for me because I can get them that easily. But that doesn't make the fact that someone could have their future ruined over something that should not even be a crime, any more acceptable.

[Squisheee]

nonono.
it shouldn't be.
in my opinion,
I was able to get my hands on it,
and the last thing it was, was "chill".

[CaptainObvious]

You were one of the people who gets paranoia and all that kind of fun stuff?

[The Batman]

Yes, but "the way it is now", anyone who is ever caught with drugs can be punished in a way that is extremely damaging to their future. The current President of the US would never have been able to go to the colleges - for which he would require financial aid, which is now barred for anyone with any kind of possession conviction -

Actually they can receive financial aide it just depends on the school.
http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Financial-Aid-for-College-if-You-Are-a-Convicted-Felon

[BruceWalt]

I think all drubs should be legal, but with the catch that you couldnt be high at school or work, with random drug tests held weekly.

[CaptainObvious]

Actually they can receive financial aide it just depends on the school.
http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Financial-Aid-for-College-if-You-Are-a-Convicted-Felon

That's for convicted felons, not people convicted of drug charges. By federal law, no one convicted of a drug-related charge is eligible for federally sponsored financial aid, which composes a large part of most college financial aid packages.

[The Batman]

The first step in the link say this A felony conviction, even if it is a drug related felony, does not automatically disqualify you from receiving financial aid. However, if they find that you have given false information regarding your conviction, you will most certainly no longer be eligible. Also I heard it from like these people at a class I went to that are sponsored by the state that it was changed but i cant' find a source to back it yet.

[CaptainObvious]

The first step in the link say this Also I heard it from like these people at a class I went to that are sponsored by the state that it was changed but i cant' find a source to back it yet.

Indeed, if the conviction occurs before someone receives any federal financial aid they are not necessarily ineligible. They can be, however, and if a conviction occurs while someone is receiving financial aid, they are automatically ineligible forever, and must return any aid received. So effectively, my point still stands.

[theOperaGhost]

That's for convicted felons, not people convicted of drug charges. By federal law, no one convicted of a drug-related charge is eligible for federally sponsored financial aid, which composes a large part of most college financial aid packages.

You're not completely correct here. Read these facts and you can see that not everyone convicted of drug-related charges is ineligible for financial aid. In fact it takes 3 convictions to even be permanently ineligible. From one offense, you are ineligible for one year or you can take a rehabilitation program.

Know your facts before you say something like that.

http://www.odos.uiuc.edu/sls/brochureAds/downloads/DrugsFinancialAid.pdf

[CaptainObvious]

You're not completely correct here. Read these facts and you can see that not everyone convicted of drug-related charges is ineligible for financial aid. In fact it takes 3 convictions to even be permanently ineligible. From one offense, you are ineligible for one year or you can take a rehabilitation program.

Know your facts before you say something like that.

http://www.odos.uiuc.edu/sls/brochureAds/downloads/DrugsFinancialAid.pdf

To be honest, while I was clearly wrong to say that any drug conviction automatically disqualifies someone from aid - since one can be convicted before receiving any aid without disqualifying themselves - I somewhat doubt the accuracy of that document because everything I've read suggests that a conviction after beginning to receive financial aid renders one permanently ineligible.

Not trying to call bullshit on you here, I just think we need to find the actual wording of the law to know (if this is a matter of law, and I think it is - contained in the Higher Education Act of 1965, amended in... 1998?) for sure what the specific conditions are.

[theOperaGhost]

To be honest, while I was clearly wrong to say that any drug conviction automatically disqualifies someone from aid - since one can be convicted before receiving any aid without disqualifying themselves - I somewhat doubt the accuracy of that document because everything I've read suggests that a conviction after beginning to receive financial aid renders one permanently ineligible.

Not trying to call bullshit on you here, I just think we need to find the actual wording of the law to know (if this is a matter of law, and I think it is - contained in the Higher Education Act of 1965, amended in... 1998?) for sure what the specific conditions are.

Well...I thought you were right for a while, and as I was about to give up, I found section 483 of the act which states...

(f) SUSPENSION OF ELIGIBILITY FOR DRUG-RELATED OFFENSES-

(1) AMENDMENT- Section 484 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:

`(r) SUSPENSION OF ELIGIBILITY FOR DRUG-RELATED OFFENSES-

`(1) IN GENERAL- A student who has been convicted of any offense under any Federal or State law involving the possession or sale of a controlled substance shall not be eligible to receive any grant, loan, or work assistance under this title during the period beginning on the date of such conviction and ending after the interval specified in the following table:

`If convicted of an offense involving:

The possession of a controlled substance:

Ineligibility period is:

First offense
1 year

Second offense
2 years

Third offense
Indefinite.

The sale of a controlled substance:

Ineligibility period is:

First offense
2 years

Second offense
Indefinite.

`(2) REHABILITATION- A student whose eligibility has been suspended under paragraph (1) may resume eligibility before the end of the ineligibility period determined under such paragraph if--

`(A) the student satisfactorily completes a drug rehabilitation program that--

`(i) complies with such criteria as the Secretary shall prescribe in regulations for purposes of this paragraph; and

`(ii) includes two unannounced drug tests; or

`(B) the conviction is reversed, set aside, or otherwise rendered nugatory.

`(3) DEFINITIONS- In this subsection, the term `controlled substance' has the meaning given the term in section 102(6) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802(6)).'.

(2) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendment made by paragraph (1), regarding suspension of eligibility for drug-related offenses, shall apply with respect to financial assistance to cover the costs of attendance for periods of enrollment beginning after the date of enactment of this Act.


http://www.ed.gov/policy/highered/leg/hea98/sec483.html

[The Joker]

I think all drubs should be legal, but with the catch that you couldnt be high at school or work, with random drug tests held weekly.

If they were weekly than it's not THAT random.

Also, even if they aren't high, the drugs can be in their system for a while afterwards.

[Affliction]

i have friends that smoke weed and to be completely honest when they take to much of it they do some dumb shit that is dangerous

[Evermore]

There are a lot of arguments for and against legalization of weed, but I think whether it has benefits in select individual cases (dealing with the terminally ill, no less, which doesn't apply to "everyone else") isn't the most compelling argument. Morphine helps a lot of people who are hospitalized for moderate to severe injuries, as well as other conditions which cause pain, but that doesn't mean we should make it legal for everyone to walk down to the store and buy some for personal use. The same can be said of many many other drugs, but no one is clamoring to make all of them legal to anyone who decides that they want some.

Also: even if marijuana is used medicinally in some cases, the jury is still out over that; it's hardly accepted by the majority as an herb with legitimate medical properties, and that's going to really get in your way if medicinal value is your only argument.

There are some good arguments for legalization, though, and I encourage you to do some more research on the subject. You've made it known that you feel strongly about weed being legal (or at least not frowned upon by so many people). When you have strong opinions on an issue, or even if you're still forming them, the best thing you can do is to look it up. Read some arguments for and against your position, and try to look at it all as objectively as you can. There are always more sides to things, and no argument is as effective as one that addresses counter-arguments and still comes out strong.

I would think they would consider legalizing it just so they could make money off the taxes it gives.

[Tonymaruso]

I belive weed should be legal because then some of us won't have to deL with criminals to get and the government still makes money.

[TaintedBlood]

No! Just no. You have no idea how bad it can effect someone until you live it. When you live it than you can make your choice that weed should be legal or not. My father smoked weed for 25 years. Now, the long term effects are setting in. The biggest one is his memory loss. He doesn't remember dates, birthdays, he doesn't even know my mothers middle name. If he did something yesterday he wouldn't remember it today. He can't remember anything. He only remembers parts of things. It is so frustrating for everybody around him that he can't remember anything. His braincells are gone because of pot.

[ballin09]

I don't think it should become legal, if you see the effects it gives people, you would not want people walking around the streets, at work, even at school, acting high.