(Nazi) parties

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

Should (Nazi) parties be allowed to be in a election? e.g. BNP (British Nationist party)

[redcar]

mmm i would be of the opinion that parties and individuals have the right to express their views and opinions, regardless. even if they are and like to style themselves Nazi parties.

i dont think we should take away that ability, and by doing so would fundamentally flaw the whole system of democracy.

however in saying that these parties and people should conduct themselves properly and without violence and generally dont be nasty to others as the BNP have a tendancy to do.

[kolte]

Well, I think they have the right just like everyone else. Yay for democrocy. BUt its not like they will ever be popular enough to win. I think we all remember what happend last time.

[Ravenous]

First of all the BNP are not nazis, they are facists though. These are NOT the same thing.
Of course these "nazi" partys should be allowed to run. It is the populations choice who they vote in, if the majority of the population want them in. Then they will get in, and so be it.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

Nazi's are facists it's just a name given to a party to describe them like Hilters pary (BNP is an equivalent to the Nazi's for they share the same qualities).
Also im making the point that if people make a rasist remark there go to prison, but if they make a political party they can still speak rasism and discriminate people but are safe.

[redcar]

Nazi's are facists it's just a name given to a party to describe them like Hilters pary (BNP is an equivalent to the Nazi's for they share the same qualities).
Also im making the point that if people make a rasist remark there go to prison, but if they make a political party they can still speak rasism and discriminate people but are safe.
are you sure about that? i do know that members of parliment have the parlimentry privalage which means they can basically say what they like, but i am not sure about idividuals in political parties, who are not members of the parliment, i'm sure they can be prosecuted.

although i am not 100% sure, so do correct me if i am wrong.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

They can be prosecuted but they get away with it anyway. The BNP leader got away with rasism a few months ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3896213.stm
There is a article about them.

[kolte]

but this topic is more then just about the BNP and the NAZI party. Its about the freedom of any group of poeple, regardless of there views, the form a party and run for office. thats a democrocy. and it shoudl allways be like that.

[redcar]

well again i am not 100% sure on this but collecting evidence like that and then using it in court is not always acceptable, unless it was carried out by the Police. again not 100% sure on wats allowed in the UK, but i know here, that a good solicitor can poke so many holes in it that it cant be accepted as evidence, it could be seen as entrapment.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

But when policital parties create hatred should that be alowed? And also wants to kick people out their country.

[redcar]

But when policital parties create hatred should that be alowed? And also wants to kick people out their country.
well if they do it in a way that is expressing their opinion, wheather we like it or not, we have to accept it.

again them wanting to kick people out of the country is what they want and is perfectly allowed, we cant stop them from expressing their views, regardless of how much u disagree with them.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

No but people should be allowed to live where they want no matter who's opinion it is to kick them out. Correct me if im wronge but its there right.
And its just like what Hitler did repeting history.

[kolte]

No but people should be allowed to live where they want no matter who's opinion it is to kick them out. Correct me if im wronge but its there right.
And its just like what Hitler did repeting history.
then don't vote for a fascist party, simple as that

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

I can't vote. Lots of people are voting BNP in England at the moment over 25% of the voters is predicted.
Sorry i have issues, when i get a notion in my mind its hard to let go. And at the moment its anti-BNP.

[redcar]

No but people should be allowed to live where they want no matter who's opinion it is to kick them out. Correct me if im wronge but its there right.
And its just like what Hitler did repeting history.
actually they dont have that right. governments need to protect their own people. granted their are millions who need asylum but at the cost of the natives? no. now i know what the policy of the BNP is regarding this, it is a bit harsh, but still, every government needs to protect its own country and people.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

But the natives to BNP are just white people (christains), not other communities who have been there like 50 years. And have the right to British citizenship.

[kolte]

actually they dont have that right. governments need to protect their own people. granted their are millions who need asylum but at the cost of the natives? no. now i know what the policy of the BNP is regarding this, it is a bit harsh, but still, every government needs to protect its own country and people.
I have to dissagree STONGLY with you here alex. People own the government, not the other way around, whatever the popular vote is, thats what happens. the government doesnt have the right to interfer economical etc things. There should be WAY less government intervention with our lifes. I'm WAY for government reform.

[redcar]

I have to dissagree STONGLY with you here alex. People own the government, not the other way around, whatever the popular vote is, thats what happens. the government doesnt have the right to interfer economical etc things. There should be WAY less government intervention with our lifes. I'm WAY for government reform.
true the people do own the government but if the people dont like what they do they kick them out come next election. and as for government reform i am very happy with out government system. top class!

[kolte]

I think the people should have more control. Stop making all these tarded laws and foolish money spending, and just let things flow.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

But then where will a country end up? No one will know what will happen to the state on the countries finance.

[kolte]

I'm not sayin that there should be no government, I'm saying that there should be government reform because the government is controling too much. you do understand reform I'm I correct in assuming this?

[redcar]

I think the people should have more control. Stop making all these tarded laws and foolish money spending, and just let things flow.
but if things are just let "flow" money can go missing and all that jazz.

and how would u suggest the people having more control?

[kolte]

ok, why am i charged 80 dollars if I don't wear my seatbelt, why am i not allowed to drive with my friends in the car with me because i'm underage? What right do school's have to censer my individuality? Why arent I allwoed to invite people over to gamble? Why cant I smoke? Why cant I drink? why cant i smoke pot? Why cant I yell at my neighbors kids for messing around in my yard? Why cant I walk down the stree smoking? Why does my car have to be insured? Why do i have to be lisensed to fish and hunt? Why can the people vote to get out of war? Why didnt the people vote to get into a war? What right does the government have to take my land because I won't sell it to them? Why cant I do this, why cant I do that, what rights am I taking away from people for doing this and that? I'm not allowed to help my grandma carry a sack of grocies to the car that has alcohol or cig's in it. I'm not allowed to by matches, or lighters at the local store. I'm not allwoed to watch a rated R movie withought sombody over the age of 17 with me? I'm not allowed to rent movies or videogames that are rated over a cetin thing?

People haveing more control would be to abolish all thouse FUKING RETARTED laws.

[redcar]

ok i am just going to adress the first thing you said you are charged $80 so that you wear yourseatbelt. if you were, God forbid, in a car crash and didnt wear your seatbelt you can cause more damage and kill passengers in your car even if they have seatbelts, because you become, for want of a better word, a projectile. it has been shown that if one person in a car who doesnt wear a seatbelt and the rest do, that one person who isnt wearing the seatbelt can kill everyone one of the occupants, and if they were wearing a seatbelt everyone would be ok.

so by governments forcing people to wear seatbelts is for the good of everyone, cause i know i wont get into a car with someone who doesnt wear a seatbelt.

[kolte]

!!BULLFUCKINGSHIT!! I'm not gonna kill anybody for not wearing a seatbelt, I'm gonna fly threw the window and die. Its my choice, not the governmnets.

[redcar]

ok if you are sitting in your car and a car hits you side on or head on, your body then starts to colide through the car hitting anyone you come in contact with, and as you hit them with such speed, you may kill them or cause severe braindamage to them. now it is your choice if you want to die but you my dear do not have the choice to kill the passengers in your car or kill anyone else.

[kolte]

prove that sombody has died or be badly ingured because a passenger of the car hit them and I will pay the fine. but then we can get back on topic, since were a bit off....just a bit lol....like completly.

[redcar]

prove that sombody has died or be badly ingured because a passenger of the car hit them and I will pay the fine. but then we can get back on topic, since were a bit off....just a bit lol....like completly.
ok i know i am being bold, but i have to be, mmm we have carried out a lot of research here in the good auld Republic of Ireland in regards to this topic and when i have more energy i will find you some data to back this up!!

and thats the last i have to say on the matter!! Promise!!!:D

[Ravenous]

Nazi's are facists it's just a name given to a party to describe them like Hilters pary (BNP is an equivalent to the Nazi's for they share the same qualities).
Nazis are indeed Facists, but not all facists are nazis!
Facist is a general term for people who believe in right wing polotics, the Nazi party are just a facist party.
No I don't agree with their policys, and fuck no I would never vote for them.
As far as polotics go, they can voice their opinion as much as they like, if enough people fall for their lies then they are going to get in.
Good poloticians are just good liers, good manipulators, they know how to word things nicely.
You need to look through all the bullshit with polotics.

[Number02]

I think that the BNP are perfectly within their right to do whatever the hell they like, but quite a few policies do cross the line of orthodox morality..

I quite like the way the BBC handled Question Time recently, seating Griffin next to a black woman XD

I was shocked to find my band's singer actually supported the BNP, but I listened to his arguments, and they are actually sound arguments, when put right. It's jus that the Party gets so caught up in this 'identity' thing, and the anti-non-white's thing... Bad stigma, bad press, bad representation... The whole thing stinks IMO.

[The Batman]

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