Boy, 12, is having sex change

[nick]

OK, I'm interested in your thoughts on this one....

A school called an emergency assembly to tell children that a 12-year-old male pupil was having a sex change.

The youngster arrived for his first term at secondary school wearing a dress and with long hair in ribboned pigtails after his parents changed his name to a female one by deed poll over the summer holidays.

Full story here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6204181/Boy-12-is-having-sex-change-school-annouces.html)

[Darkness]

God.. is that even legal?!

[Modus Operandi]

Woah, that's seriously wierd. Is this something the boy wants, or that the parents want?

[Requin]

Wow. I hope he's sure about himself, it'll be a bit ironic if he decides he's not as girly as he thought he was. :P

That's a cruel way to think of it, but meh, i don't care. :)

[nick]

It just strikes me as a very early age to be going ahead with this, I'm surprised its even possible, wouldnt you need to get puberty over with first (actuall I have no idea about that). But UK year 7, its just incredible.

[theOperaGhost]

It just strikes me as a very early age to be going ahead with this, I'm surprised its even possible, wouldnt you need to get puberty over with first (actuall I have no idea about that). But UK year 7, its just incredible.

Actually, it would be better to have a sex change before puberty.

[nick]

Why? Damn it, where's Sam when you need him?

[theOperaGhost]

We don't need Sam to give a simple fucking answer. He's not that smart...

In puberty, testosterone is released from your testicles which gives you your prevalent male characteristics (deeper voice, genital growth, facial/body hair, etc). If you have a sex change before puberty, your testicles would be removed which means you wouldn't have as much testosterone in your system. You still would need to give yourself estrogen to get female characteristics (breasts, etc), but it would just make things easier that way.

[Bougainvillea]

First, I don't think it's weird. It's her personal decision, one that everyone needs to respect.

Second, why would parents be angry that the school didn't send letters?
It's none of their fucking business.

[Jean Poutine]

You respect the personal decisions of 12 years old?

Teens are not allowed to decide most things for a reason. They are incredibly sensitive to any form of outside pressure, and lack the life experience to make enlightened choices.

[Bougainvillea]

Yes. I do. Because it's not affecting me in anyway. If it's what you want, so be it. But don't expect me to agree with it.

Now, if it was MY child. It would be different.

[ShatteredWings]

You respect the personal decisions of 12 years old?

Teens are not allowed to decide most things for a reason. They are incredibly sensitive to any form of outside pressure, and lack the life experience to make enlightened choices.

i think if a kid knows they're in the wrong gender, they should be allowed to fix it. and yes, yes i do respect the decisions of a 12 year old. Peer preasure sure as hell wouldn't be influencing this girl, if anything the preasuer from her peers would be pushing her away from her gender, and closer to her physical sex(which is male)


the way the school handled it, however, is horriable.

Actually, it would be better to have a sex change before puberty.

This is true. Basically going through with the hormone therapy BEFORE puberty, means that the male hormones don't have a chanse to devlope as much, and there's less to reverse. Putting female hormones into her now is going to give her some (barring what she lacks organs for -- and yes ,males have mammary glands, as well as an X chromosone) of the puberty that she's supposed to (mentally) have.

Why, exactly, are people so apposed to a kid knowing what they are, and acting upon it? Why would you want someone to wait until they're 18, go through HELL between puberty starting to whenever they can get help, when you could work with them before the emotional damaage has been done?

sorry, i feel a little too strongly for this...

[The Batman]

Sex changes just aren't something I'm fond of and getting it at 12 is just really something that is weird IMO. I would rather him wait till he's an adult and able to fully and maturely weigh the options. I don't mind the kid cross dressing until then but a sex change is a something you shouldn't have until you are at an age where you can fully understand all of it including the burdens that come with it.

I belive that we are born what we are if you have a penis you're a guy and if you have a vagina you're a girl, even if you have the surgery i'll still think of you as what you were born with because I can't see it any other way. I'm not against anyone getting it because it's their life and they do what makes them happy but I'm still not a fan of it.

[ShatteredWings]

Thomas, how would you feel if you were born with a pair of boobs and a vagina?

[The Batman]

I'd feel that I was a girl.

[ShatteredWings]

No, you wouldn't. because your brain is structurally male. You're mind is the same as it is now, but you're stuck in a female's body. Being in the wrong body sucks.
I'm not going to argue the point with you, we've tried this and it failed, but i just can't agree with the idea of "waiting until you're 18" when so much can be totally bypassed by being able to simply grow up as the gender your brain is.

[Shalom]

Way to young to determine something like that.

[RaeNose]

But a lot of thought processes in the female mind a "structuarally male". And a recent study has shown that it's more of a sociocultural issue of whether your brain thinks around your gender. Girls are frequently underestimated in their physical capabilities and mathematical capabilities, where as for boys it's the opposite. The brain is essentially the same. It's more of the culture you're in and the hormones coursing through your body.

Logically, I would believe that it would be better to have the sex change now, before puberty. I just dislike the idea of have a school-wide assembly. It's like they're personally isolating the poor child.

[Grey fox]

First, I don't think it's weird. It's her personal decision, one that everyone needs to respect.

Second, why would parents be angry that the school didn't send letters?
It's none of their fucking business.


The parents were angry because they didn't get a chance to explain to their children what is was, and so the big assembly where it was announced and pointed out, the kids had no idea how to react, and huge amounts of taunting and bullying has occurred as a result.

Especially as the kid was already a target for bullying by dressing up as a girl for years before.

The interviewed parents said they felt they should have had the chance to explain to their own children about it, rather then have it so publicly announced.

[DarkWingedAngel]

No, you wouldn't. because your brain is structurally male. You're mind is the same as it is now, but you're stuck in a female's body. Being in the wrong body sucks.
I'm not going to argue the point with you, we've tried this and it failed, but i just can't agree with the idea of "waiting until you're 18" when so much can be totally bypassed by being able to simply grow up as the gender your brain is.
I agree with everything you just said

[The Joker]

He must've needed it. From my knowledge of a sex change, they do years of psychological testing and stuff like that. They don't just do a sex change for no reason.

[KodieBear]

thats just horrible

[The Batman]

Don't bump old threads. :locked: