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Ripplemagne
September 16th, 2009, 04:44 PM
If you're not familiar with what's going on, read this:

WASHINGTON, Sept 15 (Reuters) - The Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday reprimanded the Republican lawmaker who yelled "You lie!" at President Barack Obama during Obama's speech to Congress last week on healthcare reform.

On a largely party-line vote of 240-179, the House passed a resolution of disapproval against Joe Wilson, who was a relatively obscure congressman from South Carolina until his outburst during Obama's nationally broadcast address.

A resolution of disapproval is the lowest form of punishment in the House and carries no penalty other than being cited for a breach of the chamber's rules of conduct.

Obama's push to reform the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry has also split Congress largely along party lines. [ID:nN1579678]

"None of us is happy to be here considering the resolution before us. I know I am not," House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer told colleagues in a speech before the vote.

"What is at issue here is of importance to this House and to our country. And that issue is whether we are able to proceed with a degree of civility and decorum that our rules and our democracy contemplate and require."

House Republicans rallied to Wilson's side and opposed the resolution. During the vote, many patted him on the back and shook his hand.

They agreed that Wilson had made a mistake in shouting at Obama. But they noted the congressman had promptly apologized to the president in a telephone call to the White House and that Obama had accepted the apology.

Wilson rejected calls by Democrats as well as some Republicans to offer a separate apology in the House.

"It is clear that there are far more important issues facing this nation," Wilson said in a speech before the vote. "It is time to get on with the work of the American people."

While the five-term lawmaker from South Carolina has been widely scorned, he also has emerged as a hero among some conservatives.

Wilson and his Democratic challenger in next year's congressional election, Rob Miller, each claim to have raked in more than $1.5 million in campaign contributions since the Wilson yelled at Obama.

A USA Today/Gallup Poll released on Tuesday found that 68 percent of respondents said they oppose what Wilson did, while 21 percent said they support it. (Additional reporting by Andy Sullivan and John Whitesides; Editing by John O'Callaghan and Bill Trott)


Source. (http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN1582629) You can also watch the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHKSHvMRWE). Nancy Pelosi's mug never ceases to piss me off.

However, stemming from this are allegations of racism.

Jimmy Carter has come up with the best reasoning I have heard for the motivation behind Joe Wilson's uncivilized " you lie " cat call , that shocked everyone during Barack Obama's speech to the joint session of Congress . In all honesty , Jimmy Carter was never one of my favorite Presidents , something about his nose I did not like , but he laid it down the other day in no unspoken terms what he thought about Joe "burning cross" Wilson's you lie statement . .

Whether the uncivilized comment was planned or impromptu the psychology behind it speaks volumes to what many whites in the south are quietly thinking . The fear of a black President is number one on their radar . The folk hero like response Joe Wilson received from his South Carolina constituents says it all .

Former President Jimmy Carter said , "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president."

"Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care," he said. "It's deeper than that."

I have many white friends that supported Obama but their is a growing faction led by right wing prognosticators like Glenn Beck that are not interested in reasoning , that are determined to ruin this historic presidency , if Barack Obama's supporters do not step up to the plate and call a "spade a spade" and rebuke conservative propaganda than this racist rhetoric will spread like wild fire and consume everything in its path .

Further reading:
Trueslant. (http://trueslant.com/lisacullen/2009/09/16/is-joe-wilson-racist-or-are-we/)
Fox News. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551042,00.html)
Examiner. (http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m9d15-Tea-Party-Express-and-racism-are-Republicans-Conservatives-and-Joe-Wilson-racist)

theOperaGhost
September 16th, 2009, 06:59 PM
Wow...this just pisses me off.

Are they also saying the black right-winged conservatives are racist and don't like obama because he's black? It wouldn't surprise me!

Just because a great number of people don't agree with a man's politics, we aren't racist. I'm not saying there aren't a few people who hate Obama because they are racist, but that is a very small percentage and really doesn't have an impact on anything. All liberals can seem to do is pull the race card out on all the conservatives. "The only reason you don't like him is because he's black!" BULLSHIT! I don't like him because he's ignorant and has horrible policies (and I'm not talking about his health care bill).

tripolar
September 16th, 2009, 07:08 PM
God damn it. The way everyone sees it is if you didn't vote for Obama or agree with him your racist, so what if you don't agree with a black man your racist. The whole time during the election last year all i got was "your racist against your own kind because you don't like Obama", I'm half black but its crap.

From what i saw on the news was that Obama said the illgals would not get any government health care but then Obama turned around and said the illegals would be getting health care, then Congressman Wilson yelled "you liar". Mr. Wilson had all right to do that the President lied to the people about the illegals in the health care, yes Congressman Wilson could have waited until later but he was angry and a lot of other people are too.

Rutherford The Brave
September 16th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Wow...this just pisses me off.

Are they also saying the black right-winged conservatives are racist and don't like obama because he's black? It wouldn't surprise me!

Just because a great number of people don't agree with a man's politics, we aren't racist. I'm not saying there aren't a few people who hate Obama because they are racist, but that is a very small percentage and really doesn't have an impact on anything. All liberals can seem to do is pull the race card out on all the conservatives. "The only reason you don't like him is because he's black!" BULLSHIT! I don't like him because he's ignorant and has horrible policies (and I'm not talking about his health care bill).

I'm not saying he is racist and I'm not saying I completly agree with Obama in fact I don't really like him. Ye, regardless of the stupid way people take it what Joe Wilson did was totally disrespectful. I mean you don't have to like him but you kind of have to respect him he is our president.

Perseus
September 16th, 2009, 07:10 PM
Of course, when a white man doesn't agree with a black man he's racist, it's as simple as that. (sarcasm)
I hate when people pull the race card. Just because a white man doesn't agree with a black president doesn't make him a freaking racist, I mean come on, get a grip.
Sure, it was disrespectful, but not racist.

Sage
September 16th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Not racist, just a jackass.

theOperaGhost
September 16th, 2009, 07:16 PM
I'm not saying he is racist and I'm not saying I completly agree with Obama in fact I don't really like him. Ye, regardless of the stupid way people take it what Joe Wilson did was totally disrespectful. I mean you don't have to like him but you kind of have to respect him he is our president.

If our president wants respect, he shouldn't outright lie to us. If you lie, you can expect to be called a liar. I feel the president disrespected EVERYONE by lying to us...Joe Wilson only disrespected one man, not a whole nation.

Rutherford The Brave
September 16th, 2009, 07:18 PM
If our president wants respect, he shouldn't outright lie to us. If you lie, you can expect to be called a liar. I feel the president disrespected EVERYONE by lying to us...Joe Wilson only disrespected one man, not a whole nation.

Thats debatable, but I plead the 5th. I don't think he's lied he just has done what he said he would.

tripolar
September 16th, 2009, 07:20 PM
If our president wants respect, he shouldn't outright lie to us. If you lie, you can expect to be called a liar. I feel the president disrespected EVERYONE by lying to us...Joe Wilson only disrespected one man, not a whole nation.

Exactly being a liar makes you look corrupt and no one likes a liar. And Mr. Wilson pretty much summed it up what the whole country was feeling, being lied to.

theOperaGhost
September 16th, 2009, 07:24 PM
He went back on his word, Greg.

And Nancy Pelosi needs to sit her ass down....he says one fucking word and she's on her feet clapping...Her face was priceless when Joe Wilson called Obama a liar though...I love it!

Rutherford The Brave
September 16th, 2009, 07:29 PM
He went back on his word, Greg.

And Nancy Pelosi needs to sit her ass down....he says one fucking word and she's on her feet clapping...Her face was priceless when Joe Wilson called Obama a liar though...I love it!

Like I said I'm no fan of Obama I ignore him and well I just don't care what he does.

Ripplemagne
September 16th, 2009, 08:11 PM
I agree with Joe Wilson and honestly? I'd have probably done the same thing in his position, but with a more smartass comment. But interrupting the President's speech was disrespectful no matter how you toss the dice. So, I can understand people thinking he's a jackass and whatnot.

Modus Operandi
September 16th, 2009, 08:18 PM
He's not racist, just a really staunch Republican

Jacobim Mugatu
September 17th, 2009, 01:15 AM
I don't like Obama at all. Being in the Liberal Bay Area of California, I am in the center of Obama's Priests and his Worshipers. That makes me not like him even more, But I would NEVER call him a liar during a speech like that. I would say all sorts of things after, but never during. I would be upset if someone did that to Bush, because its Disrespectful.
BTW, I didn't like bush Much either.