Opera

[advent_child]

I want an independant source (this excludes anyone hellbent on eradicating all other browsers but thier own) to download Opera browser and tell me that it is not soo much better than anything else. I mean it is so fast. Even in the "Firefox Myths" tag that leads to http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html that some people placed in their signatures it says that " Opera is actually the most Secure Graphical Web Browser in Windows with 0 unpatched vulnerabilities," and "Opera (now 100% Ad free) is the fastest Graphical Web Browser in Windows."

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/OptimizeXP/Buttons/FirefoxMyths.gif (http://www.firefoxmyths.com)


-----------I was tempted to purposfully mess up that BB code...

[Aηdy]

the name opera sounds crap i woulnd like that

[advent_child]

:(( come on...please??????

[Skhorpion]

All browsers suck except Lynx.

I win.

[Charlotte]

All browsers suck except Lynx.

I win.

actually MSN explorer is the best.

I win!!!!!!!!!!!!! :irule:

[Aηdy]

All browsers suck except Lynx.

I win.

actually MSN explorer is the best.

I win!!!!!!!!!!!!! :irule:

msn explorer!! are you kidding!?!?

[Charlotte]

All browsers suck except Lynx.

I win.

actually MSN explorer is the best.

I win!!!!!!!!!!!!! :irule:

msn explorer!! are you kidding!?!?

no, fellow computer nerd. I'm serious as a heart attack

[Kiros]

Ok, first of all, let's all learn from this... When you reply to the person that posted last, you do not need to quote the person :? This just wastes time, effort, and our limited amount of space. Please do not quote people unless you have to (a certain word, sentence, and/or paragraph in a certain post, or quoting something written on another site, or replying to a person that has not posted last). I ask this of all of you, please :P

And advent_child, please go back and fix (edit) your mistake in your BBCode: [ url]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html[/url]

Now, although I'm all for speed, I'm also for options and functionality. I might try Opera, but I've used it in the past and I didn't like it even as much as IE :? Also, anything is better than FireFox, so that doesn't say much :P IE is faster than FF in 6/7 tests, while Opera is faster than FF in 7/7 tests. Like I said, speed is nice, but Avant Browser doesn't take any time to load whatsoever, so I don't need a faster browser. Also, I want a browser that has functionality to it, and (from what I remember) Opera doesn't support ActiveX. There are some sites that will only allow Internet Explorer to view them, so since Avant Browser uses IE's core engine, it can go to everything and is completely compatible with almost every website! :D

I love Avant Browser! ^_^
Get it now :arrow: http://www.avantbrowser.com (clicky) (http://www.avantbrowser.com)

[Underage_Thinker]

ya i just dowloaded Opera and i have to agree with Kiros72, I like all of advants fetures and their realy isn't a diffrence in speed for me. Tho i still have to use IE for some websites that only can be viewd with IE.

[Skhorpion]

Ok, first of all, let's all learn from this... When you reply to the person that posted last, you do not need to quote the person :? This just wastes time, effort, and our limited amount of space. Please do not quote people unless you have to (a certain word, sentence, and/or paragraph in a certain post, or quoting something written on another site, or replying to a person that has not posted last). I ask this of all of you, please :P

And advent_child, please go back and fix (edit) your mistake in your BBCode: [ url]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html[/url]

Now, although I'm all for speed, I'm also for options and functionality. I might try Opera, but I've used it in the past and I didn't like it even as much as IE :? Also, anything is better than FireFox, so that doesn't say much :P IE is faster than FF in 6/7 tests, while Opera is faster than FF in 7/7 tests. Like I said, speed is nice, but Avant Browser doesn't take any time to load whatsoever, so I don't need a faster browser. Also, I want a browser that has functionality to it, and (from what I remember) Opera doesn't support ActiveX. There are some sites that will only allow Internet Explorer to view them, so since Avant Browser uses IE's core engine, it can go to everything and is completely compatible with almost every website! :D

I love Avant Browser! ^_^
Get it now :arrow: http://www.avantbrowser.com (clicky) (http://www.avantbrowser.com)

The amount of spaced used byquoting someone is negligible.

[Charlotte]

quoting isnt as bad as Underage_Thinker's stupid signiture stretching the screen

[Glasgow]

Ok, first of all, let's all learn from this... When you reply to the person that posted last, you do not need to quote the person :? This just wastes time, effort, and our limited amount of space. Please do not quote people unless you have to (a certain word, sentence, and/or paragraph in a certain post, or quoting something written on another site, or replying to a person that has not posted last). I ask this of all of you, please :P

And advent_child, please go back and fix (edit) your mistake in your BBCode: [ url]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html[/url]

Now, although I'm all for speed, I'm also for options and functionality. I might try Opera, but I've used it in the past and I didn't like it even as much as IE :? Also, anything is better than FireFox, so that doesn't say much :P IE is faster than FF in 6/7 tests, while Opera is faster than FF in 7/7 tests. Like I said, speed is nice, but Avant Browser doesn't take any time to load whatsoever, so I don't need a faster browser. Also, I want a browser that has functionality to it, and (from what I remember) Opera doesn't support ActiveX. There are some sites that will only allow Internet Explorer to view them, so since Avant Browser uses IE's core engine, it can go to everything and is completely compatible with almost every website! :D

I love Avant Browser! ^_^
Get it now :arrow: http://www.avantbrowser.com (clicky) (http://www.avantbrowser.com)

WooHoo! Avant all the way, And Opera :P I think they should just stick to the talk show, and get a better name

[advent_child]

Opera does support ActiveX, and it works on everything.

[Glasgow]

Opera does support ActiveX, and it works on everything.

BUT... Avant is better, come on you have to admit it *Calls for Kiros to back me up*

[advent_child]

*calls for a chainsaw to cut my leg off*

[Underage_Thinker]

quoting isnt as bad as Underage_Thinker's stupid signiture stretching the screen
First of all that is realy off topic. Secondly if you mean the red banner it dosen't strech my screen so i have no clue what u are talking about.

[advent_child]

yes it is really off topic and it dosen't stretch on my screen. Although it is kind of old, dated for a tour of 2005. Kiros, you always fix my BB code for me. THX! :P And underage_thinker I shouldn't have clicked the link in your signature. Can I have my soul back?

[Charlotte]

quoting isnt as bad as Underage_Thinker's stupid signiture stretching the screen
First of all that is realy off topic. Secondly if you mean the red banner it dosen't strech my screen so i have no clue what u are talking about.

oh you'll live that it was off topic, but I PM you about it and you ignored it. :?

and just because it doesnt stretch yours doesnt mean that it doesnt stretch other peoples. wow it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out

[Ravenous]

Opera is a good browser but yes I prefer Avant.
However there was one browser to rule them all..
MAXTHON!
It is the best browser I have ever used, check it out guys
http://www.maxthon.com/index.htm

[Skhorpion]

and just because it doesnt stretch yours doesnt mean that it doesnt stretch other peoples. wow it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out

Doesnt stretch mine.

And you should STFU because yours is bigger than his.

[Charlotte]

="Rent-2-Pwn"
And you should STFU because yours is bigger than his.


it doesnt stretch though sherlock

[advent_child]

Well I guess it depends upon your resolution and browser settings. I can't stand anything under 1024-768. WOW SOOO OFF TOPIC. But you all have to agree at least that opera is better than a lot of the other crap there is out there. I do acknowlegde the fact that avant is the most downloaded browser on download.com

[Kiros]

Yeah, I love Avant Browser ^_^ Truly is the best. Since I haven't tried Opera in a long while, I may give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's the second best browser :P

[Ravenous]

Nope, Maxthon is better than all, Avant a close second :P

[Skhorpion]

FireFox owns all hands down. Even has linux support.

[advent_child]

Oh wow...maxthon includes weather bug and roboform...
And Firefox is on everything, even Mac.

[Skhorpion]

We all know weatherbug contains spyware.

-1 to Maxthon

[Kiros]

It has Linux support because it needs all the good cred it can get :lol:

Eh, Tim, if I had a better processor, Maxthon might not seem so clunky... But, from what I see, Avant Browser runs better and has a better interface... :)

[Skhorpion]

It has Linux support because it needs all the good cred it can get

Ha, ya right. Since linux distros are made by independent people or groups of people that dont get paid for anything they port to linux, it means that firefox is a good browser. Nobody gets anything for portinig firefox to linux... they do it becasue its a better browser.

Your just mad that Avant will never have linux/mac support :P

[Charlotte]

I dont like the look of Avant....

[Kiros]

No, Cory, I'm not mad at all :) In fact, I'm proud to have exclusive software for my OS. Since Internet Explorer, alone, is better than FireFox, Avant Browser just makes it that much better :D

And Charlotte, you can change the skins of Avant Browser: Tools >> Skins >> (choose whichever you like). You can even download more skins. I've downloaded IE 7's skin and "Eye-Blue-Over"... Love them both, along with AthenX, which comes with Avant Browser ^_^

[Skhorpion]

But firefox can be skinned also.

Dont say IE is better than FF, IE's popup blocker blocks one out of 20 popups whenever im forced to use it. IE also doesnt have tabbed browsing or http pipelining OR its own exclusive ftp client.

We all know FF's extensions are better than IE's.

[Kiros]

IE is in fact better than FF. :)

Myth - "Firefox Blocks all Pop-ups"

Reality - Firefox does not Block all Pop-ups. PopupTest (http://www.popuptest.com/) shows the "Drop down Popup" and the "Sticky Popup" are not blocked. Other types of Pop-ups continue to get through.

Myth - "Firefox was the first Web Browser to include Tabbed Browsing"

Reality - Tabbed Browsing has been around a long time. Netcaptor offered Tab Browsing back in 1997. Opera developed it back in 1995 and added it in Opera 4 in 2000. Other Popular Browsers such as Avant Browser and Maxthon also had these features way before Firefox officially arrived in 2004.

Myth - "Firefox supports Tabbed Browsing and Internet Explorer does not"

Reality - Internet Explorer 6 supports Tabbed Browsing when used with the MSN Toolbar extension in Windows XP.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/Images/MSN_Toolbar.gif
Notes - Internet Explorer 7 includes Tabbed Browsing by default.

Myth - "Firefox is completely compatible with every Web Site"

Reality - 10-15% of web sites aren't completely compatible with Firefox. Firefox is not 100% Internet Explorer and ActiveX compatible. Web sites that depend on ActiveX or were only tested in Internet Explorer (which there are many) will only render and work properly in Internet Explorer based browsers. Web site features such as Menus, Web forms or other content may not function or behave differently then intended. While Internet Explorer is completely compatible with 99.99% of all Web Sites.

In a recent study by a UK based web testing firm SciVisum, 1 in 10 UK web sites failed to work properly with Firefox.

Notes - Opera has the same problems as Firefox in regard to web site compatibility.

Myth - "Firefox is Faster than Internet Explorer 6"

Reality - Internet Explorer 6.x is clearly faster than Firefox 1.x in 6 out of 7 measures of performance and is significantly faster from a cold start.

Notes - The argument that components of Internet Explorer may load during Windows Startup is nullified by Opera's start times. Which means there is no excuse for this except poor coding on Firefox's part.

Oh, and the pipelining thing... Internet Explorer does not have an option to enable or disable this. By default, IE makes multiple simultaneous requests at once. Since this is what pipelining is, you could actually say IE, by default, comes with pipelining enabled :)

The FTP client that Windows uses is exclusive enough to keep me happy :)

And since ActiveX is so much more powerful than FF's extensions, ActiveX definitely wins that battle. The BHOs IE supports are fully functional and flexible as well, and they are better than FF's extensions - they even have support for toolbars and menus.

Internet Explorer is far better than FireFox, hands down. With Avant Browser using Internet Explorer's engine, Avant Browser is by far the better browser. Avant Browser even supports its own extensions, which are very convenient :)

Get Avant Browser, the better browser (clicky) (http://www.avantbrowser.com)

[Skhorpion]

The majority of what that says is irrelevant. IE only supports tabs with a lame msn toolbar. IE blocks less popups than FF. IE has so much malicious content written for it its crazy. FF 2.0 is coming out which will blow away Avant and its inferior IE engine. Windows doesn't uncludea decent FTP client, if you open IE and ftp to a server theres no upload.

[advent_child]

FINE. Opera is the third best browser. Firefox is the fourth. Avant is the second...and guess who is number one???


SAFARI!


EDIT: Opera has a skin browser built into the appearence tab, giving me easy access to the IE7 skin. Incidentally, I'm running IE7 and Opera at the same time. Feels like adultry.

[Skhorpion]

FF 2.0 = first place

[Kiros]

FireFox 2.0 is a long time from coming out and since it's not even out yet, you can't say it's even close to being the best browser.

As a matter of fact, everything I stated in my previous post is relavant. Since IE actually supports BHOs and ActiveX, there is plenty of software that will give IE tabs - the MSN Toolbar is just a well known, stable BHO that supplies it. IE's popup blocker actually has different settings: Low, Medium, and High. High actually blocks all the popups that FF blocks, though the medium and low settings will allow for convenience for wanted and unwanted popups - this means that you don't have to set a lot of sites as exceptions like you'd have to do in FF! IE has so much good software written for it that it can block any malicious content and out perform FF, and since Avant Browser 2006 (11) is coming out soon and will have compatibility with IE7, it will completely waste FF 2.0 ^_^

Ah yes, I do upload many files through IE's (Windows') FTP client, so it infact is easier and faster than and of FF's crap :)

Eh, I don't much care for Safari, but like Opera, I haven't seen or used it in a long time...

Get Avant Browser, the better browser (clicky) (http://www.avantbrowser.com/)

[Skhorpion]

Since IE actually supports BHOs and ActiveX, there is plenty of software that will give IE tabs - the MSN Toolbar is just a well known, stable BHO that supplies it

Yeah, and? Im talking about from a stock install.

this means that you don't have to set a lot of sites as exceptions like you'd have to do in FF!

Never have, never will.

so it infact is easier and faster than and of FF's crap

FF's is graphicaly better and has more features, making it easier to use than IE's.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/fireftp.jpg

Compared to.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/ftpsux.jpg

I pick FF's. If you look at the webdev toolbar on the fireftp pic, thats another one of FF's many and great extensions that IE seems to lack.

[Kiros]

Now look at all that clutter in FireFTP... A newbie to file transfer might lose hope with that :lol: Windows is much more user-friendly :)

Eh, I guess you don't have that nice popup enabled in phpBB for new PMs. If you do, it's a shame that you'd have to always tell FF that it's ok. Heh, since IE and Avant Browser have very good popup catching systems, I don't have to worry about that ^_^

What do you mean from stock install?! We aren't talking about defaults. Though I'd only expect that from a FF lover, considering the flexibility FF lacks.

Get Avant Browser, the better browser (clicky) (http://www.avantbrowser.com/)

[advent_child]

stop saying that!!!
FF
do not in any way associate firefox with final fantasy!!! :P :P :P :P

[Skhorpion]

A newbie to file transfer shouldnt be using ftp. ftp is more complicated than how IE puts it and you can even send custom commands with IE. As for the PM popup, i have it enabled on StapleClock and i never had to give it an exception. Your losing, admit it.

[advent_child]

losing what? hey this deserves a new thread, The firefox vs. everything else debate. come on, this is about Opera!!!

[Kiros]

Losing? This isn't a competition kid. And yes, actually, a newbie should use FTP sometime in their life, because that's how one would get use to it and become more than a newbie. It doesn't take a genious to figure that out :roll: But now Cory, you have the popup blocker on, right? And you never made an exception for StapleClock, right? So this means one of two things. Either you always have to tell FF to let that popup through, or FF's popup blocker can't even catch such a simple popup. Either way, it's useless...

And what's all this about: Your losing, admit it.
We're not competing, however, I am noting that Avant Browser is far better than FireFox. Considering that you made such a statement, I'd have to think that you're losing your grip and used that as a tactic to turn tides. Heh, this is so funny, especially since you're struggling :lol:

[Aηdy]

i had firefox for about a week and the popup blocker was total crap... but i love my maxathon :D

http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/120x60/get.gif<< MAKE ME :D

[Skhorpion]

okokokokokokokokok

*downloading Avant*

I will be evaluating Avant againt FF and post the results.

EDIT: My first impression of Avant was when it had the 100% cpu bug. It sucked. My second impressdion gave me shitty speed test results. It sucks again.

Avant != Fastest Browser

Notice that its slow: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/avant.jpg


Notice its fast: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/ffspeed.jpg

[advent_child]

hey, how come the url's are completly diffrent???

[Skhorpion]

They arent.

[Kiros]

okokokokokokokokok

*downloading Avant*

I will be evaluating Avant againt FF and post the results.

EDIT: My first impression of Avant was when it had the 100% cpu bug. It sucked. My second impressdion gave me shitty speed test results. It sucks again.

Avant != Fastest Browser

Notice that its slow: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/avant.jpg


Notice its fast: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/ffspeed.jpg

You lying sack of crap! I took the download and upload test just to see if one them matched the "www" and the other matched the "s2" prefixes. The s2 prefix is used for the upload! So you thought it would be fun to make everyone think Avant Browser was slow by showing the upload test and making FF look fast by showing the download!? You even edited the Upload to make it read Download. You're rotten...

[advent_child]

Oh you whore!! Why you filthy wench! you dirty diseased latend prostitute! you call girl! you hooker! you harlot! you streetwalker! you b-girl! you bag! you bawd! you bimbo! you blower! you broad! you camp follower! you cat! you chicken! you chippie! you concubine! you courtesan! you fallen woman! you floozy! you hostess! you hustler! you loose woman! you midnight cowboy! you model! you moll! you nymphomaniac! you painted woman! you party girl! you pickup! you pink pants! you pro! you scarlet woman! you slut! you strumpet! you tart! you tomato! you tramp! you trollop! you white slave! you working girl!
((((((((Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1))))))))

[Skhorpion]

Umm no kiros, your wrong. I wish my upload was that fast.

FF upload test: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/FFupload.jpg

AB upload test: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/ABupload.jpg

Proof that the other pics are download: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/ffspeed2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/omgwtfbbqh4x/avant2.jpg

[advent_child]

wow you just showed everyone upload does have "s2"

HTML editors and paint come in handy, don't they?

[Kiros]

Afraid not, Cory. You might have also edited the test to say whatever the heck you wanted. Though I know that only uploads have that "s2" subdomain. Don't take us for idiots. We all know that you do have paint at the very least, and probably a lot more than that. Though you just forgot to edit out the s2... You've failed in your pathetic attempt...

[advent_child]

wow look at all that junk in you system trey...why are you running trillian and msn?....ewwww win amp!!!

[Skhorpion]

stfu advent child nobody is even talking to you

As for you kiros, do your research before bashing me.

http://www.testmy.net/tools/database/s_engine.php

Look up the test id's. It will tell you if they were download or upload tests.

EDIT: If you must know, i have an FTP server, trilly, msn, printer software, distributed.net software, AVG, TS client, TS server, and PowerISO running. I dont consider this a lot because my computer can actualy handle it.

[Kiros]

Chill Cory, even though you're not talking to Advent, he's still talking to you. And once again, don't take me for a fool. You could have edited anything on that image to your liking. In fact, I know you had to edit a few things on that image. Even my download is higher than that, and I have a slower ISP. You've failed again...

[Skhorpion]

OMFG

I didnt even have photoshop till today.

Look up the test ID's.

No way i can edit that.

[Kiros]

Ah, I apologize for one reason... TestMy.Net is completely screwing up. It said my internet was about 50MB/s... For FireFox, it said it was 30MB/s, but that's not the point. You still are a lying sack of crap as you took two different tests! The different URLs proove that. And yeah, FireFox is still slower than Avant Browser, even with FasterFox installed! Sickins me...

[Aηdy]

ok, why are we having such an arguement about a bloody web browser... its stupid.. its just a poxy web browser.. chill out guys :D

[Skhorpion]

Kiros just cant take the fact that testmy uses load balancing over seperate servers.

I dont have fasterfox.

[Kiros]

Actually, I just love the fact that Avant Browser is faster than FireFox :D

And if you don't have FasterFox, then you should try it... it makes FireFox slightly faster than 56k :) Or, just forget the whole thing and get Avant Browser :D

[Aηdy]

when we upgrade to 5mbits/s i will do the speed test on:
Firefox
Avant
Maxathon
Internet Explorer

i will do it 3 times with each and get an average.. that will be early next month i hope.. maybe then that will help settle it :D

[Kiros]

Thank you! :) Although I doubt it will vary much among Internet Explorer, Avant Browser, and Maxthon...

[Aηdy]

probally not but i want to end this once and for all :D and i have no editing skills what-so-ever so im just going to show the true results :D