Dangers of Marijuana: Truth or Government Lie?

[The Batman]

Usually the biggest defense against saying that marijuana is dangers is that the government is lieing and trying to get people off it. Now my problem with that is why would they? I would expand on this but I'm really short on time so what's your opinion on this stuff?

[Bougainvillea]

I think the dangers of obtaining it, and things like that exist.

I also think it is dangerous, physically speaking.

[Sage]

Dangerous or not, I have always been a major advocate of allowing people to do as much harm to themselves as they so desire.

[The Batman]

I've looked at nonbias sites and sites against marijuana and they both say the same thing.
Sites like Procon.org and studies from harvard and other prestigious schools are all saying that marijuana isn't all that good yet people still say, "The government is lieing there's nothign wrong with weed," simply because they've heard it from a celebrity or a stoner friend. It's a sad world where a celebrity has more influence than a licensed doctor.

[2D]

It's a sad world where a celebrity has more influence than a licensed doctor.

Very sad. :(

[Bougainvillea]

I'm fucking tired of stoners!

[2D]

As am I. They're so damn lazy. It's like going to the movies it too hard for them or something. I'm all "lets go to the mall and get you a girl!" then it goes like this, "Nahhhh man I want some cheetos and diet coke." WTF!

[sasquatch]

I don't think the question is of wether they are lying, but of wether they are telling the truth in a way that suits their own ends. If you Look back to the 60's and to why it was first criminilized in the united states, If you try and search for an official REASON for marijuanas initial crimilization....i doubt you will find one that relates to actualy scientificly proven data.

In fact, The facts add up to a very different outcome.

Uusally when using website links i prefer to put a link for the apposing viewpoint. but as I said...i can find none from the governments point of view.

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

Read through this, and you may begin to understand why smokers why many believe them to be bending the truth.

Honestly though, A government had to resort to making things like "reefer madness" in order to keep people scared, a film which provides very little factual evidence to support its wild claims...does it give you the impression they are on straight tracks?

as for the health implications of cannabis...

1 .Fat Storage

Myth: Cannabis’ active ingredient THC gets stored in body fat and its effects can last days or even weeks

Fact: It is true that cannabis (like many other drugs) enters the body’s fat stores, and it is for this reason that it can be detected long after use, but that is the only part of this myth which is true. The fact is, the psychoactive aspects of the stored cannabis are used up quickly and while the residue of the drug remains, it no longer has any effect on the person. Furthermore, the presence of THC in body fat is not harmful to the fat, the brain, or any other part of the body.

2. Memory Loss

Myth: Cannabis use causes memory loss and a general reduction in logic and intelligence

Fact: This is another myth which has elements of truth to it - no doubt the reason it is believed by so many. Laboratory tests have shown that cannabis diminishes the short term memory - but only when a person is intoxicated with it. A person who has taken cannabis will be able to remember things learned before they took it but may have trouble learning new information during intoxication. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever to suggest that this can become a long-term or permanent problem when sober.

3. Scientific Proof

Myth: Cannabis has been scientifically proven to be harmful

Fact: Let us start with a quote: “the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health.” This quote comes from the peer-reviewed British medical journal The Lancet (founded in 1823). There is certainly no scientific consensus on cannabis use, and certainly no scientific proof that casual use is dangerous to health.

4. Loss of Motivation

Myth: Cannabis use causes apathy and a lack of motivation

Fact: In fact, studies done on test subjects in which they were given a high dose of cannabis regularly over a period of days or weeks found that there was no loss in motivation or ability to perform. Of course, abuse of any intoxicating substance over long periods will reduce a person’s ability to function normally, but cannabis is no better or worse. Furthermore, studies indicate that cannabis users tend to have higher paid jobs than non-users.

5. Crime Statistics

Myth: Cannabis causes crime

Fact: Some people believe that cannabis use leads to violence and aggression, and that this, in turn, leads to crime. But the facts just don’t stack up. Serious research into this area has found that cannabis users are often less likely to commit crimes because of its effect in reducing aggression. Having said that, because of the number of nations that have outlawed cannabis, most users in the world are technically classified as criminals merely for possessing the drug.

6. Braindead

Myth: Cannabis kills brain cells

Fact: Cannabis does not cause any profound changes in a person’s mental ability. It is true that after taking the drug some people can experience panic, paranoia, and fright, these effects pass and certainly don’t become permanent. It is possible for a person to consume so much of the drug that they suffer from toxic psychosis, but again this is not unique to cannabis and is very rare.

BUT in some cases people with EXISTING psychological problems, underlying schitzophrenia for instance, can have a huge problem smoking it. But this Fact should be relative to the fact that If someone has underlying problems, or at least any knowledge of them, they SHOULDN'T be smoking in the first place

7. Gateway to Other Drugs

Myth: Cannabis is a gateway drug - in other words, it leads to abuse of more potent drugs

Fact: For most people, cannabis is a terminus drug, not a gateway drug. Users of high strength drugs such as heroin or LSD are also statistically more likely to have used cannabis in the past, but this is just toying with statistics; when comparing the number of cannabis users with hard-drug users, the numbers are extremely small - suggesting that there is no link at all. You don't feel compelled to try other drugs, its not a compulsion caused by the drug. it is purely personal inclination which leads people to try different drugs

8. Modern Potency

Myth: Cannabis is more potent now than in the past

Fact: The reason that this myth has come about is that samples taken by drug enforcement agencies are used to test for potency but they are a tiny sample of the cannabis on the market. The vast majority of cannabis taken today is the same potency as it has been for decades. In fact, even if the potency were greatly higher, it would make little difference to the user as cannabis of varying potency produces very similar effects. Furthermore, there is statistical data on cannabis potency dating back to the 1980s which is more reliable than present methods of detection, and that shows little or no increase.

9. Lung Damage

Myth: Cannabis is more damaging to the lungs than cigarettes

Fact: First of all, people who smoke cannabis but not cigarettes tend to smoke far less frequently - thereby limiting their exposure to the dangers in the smoke. Furthermore, smokers of cannabis are not inhaling the many additives that go into commercial cigarettes to make them burn down faster or to stay alight. There has even been some evidence that marijuana smoke does not have the same effect on the bronchial tubes as cigarette smoke, so even heavy use may not lead to emphysema. (actually, It has been proven to open your bronchial tubes, so can be benificial with bronchitis (when you eat it in cakes)

10. Cannabis and Addiction

Myth: Cannabis is highly addictive

Fact: Less than one percent of Americans smoke cannabis more than once per day. Of the heavy users, a tiny minority develop what appears to be a dependence and rely on the assistance of drug rehabilitation services to stop smoking but there is nothing in cannabis which causes physical dependence and the most likely explanation for those who need assistance is that they are having difficulty breaking the habit - not the “addiction”.
Well actually I would have to add that It IS a psychological addiction. without a doubt. IF you let it become one.

http://www.nuffy.net/articles/cannabis-top-10-most-common-myths.html

Now, I know many people will say This is a biased article, and i suppose the moral highground is beyond my reach because I'm blatantly a smoker myself, But do i really seem like a dlithering idiot? I'm just One of a VAST number of people who's olny reason for paranoia is that we have to cope with being persecuted for breaking a law with no victim. if the only victim is oneself then it can hardly be called a crime. No more than suicide is a LEGAL crime. and that is vastly more harmful to oneself.

People who read leaflets and see Television adverts Telling us all about what an incredibly dangerous drug cannabis is...when actually, If you research the plant, research the scientific evidence that is there, research its history, research the people who have smoked it...it is Nowhere NEAR as harmful as governments would have us believe.

....isn't it strange that a drug with a recorded history. Throughout recorded history. Of precisely 1 overdose (and he ate 9 ounces of cannabis in one go, which is simply stupidity) And that can't be taxed if its legalized, is illegal.

Alcohol on the other hand alcohol kills an average of 10000 english people a year. 80,000 americans a year. and is taxable. and is legal.

don't get me started on fucking tobacco.

This is an argument that has been put forward many times by many many different people. I have tried to be as unbiased as I can, you make your own conclusions.

And as for people being lazy when smoking. I was smoking a fat old doob before writing this, and have been known to go on 8 mile bike journeys when under the influence (push bike) of course that's to go to the nearest shop to me and get food :P:P:P

Tom, I would like to just clarify. I don't take any advice from celebrities. yuck. But where do doctors get all their information from...? think about it haha.

I don't think the government is lying, in the end i believe they are simply bending truth to mmet thier own ends, but bending it very carefully so that no cracks appear to make it too far from the truth.

peace. :)

[Ripplemagne]

Once again, Christy wins the debate over marijuana. I may not agree with him, but I'd like to see if there's anyone here who can refute his points. I doubt it.

[The Batman]

I also think that it's been exaggerated a bit but like i just found this

http://ezinearticles.com/?Actual-Dangers-of-Marijuana&id=2126561
There are many dangers of marijuana. It is one of the most addictive drugs used amongst youngsters and they have been falling trap to this filthy plant since beginning of 19th century. It is more harmful than a cigarette because it has more tar in it and it is smoked unfiltered. The effects of smoking marijuana are....

- Causes mild hallucination as it is prepared by using alcoholic ingredients; but the reaction depends upon experience as the first-timers might not have any strange feeling.

- It is after certain time of smoking marijuana, that the smoker starts feeling the pinch and the time period might be between 10-30 minutes.

- It dries the smoker's mouth and windpipe.

- It increases the rate of heartbeats.

- The smoker may become unaware about his/her activities as it leads to a mental imbalance.

- The smoker may even witness shot-term memory loss till he/she is under the effect of marijuana.

- The smoker may react late to the happenings.

- The smoker begins to fantasize.

- A sort of soluble fat starts getting deposited in the fat tissues of chest, lungs, liver and other organs.

- Reduces the ability to learn and retain.

- Affects the intellect of the smoker; this phenomena might be irreversible.

- Causes deadly diseases such as chronic cold, chest blockages, cancer and asthma.

- Affects the reproduction system severely.

Smoking marijuana can be very harmful while driving as the time to react is slower and it may even lead to accidents. Besides this, there are several reasons as to why people should be away from the trap of marijuana addiction.

I don't believe people get addicted to the drug but the feelings they get from it. But like it's not all that bad as people are saying but it has a lot of health issues that the goverment has addressed and I probably don't make much sense right now lol.

[ShatteredWings]

Congrats christy...While I don't agree with pot usage, i also don't like drinking or smoking... at all.
But, consitering, if pot booze and tobaco are legal, then i don't really see any reason why pot isn't.

[deadpie]

I think alcohol is worse than marijauna. Make that shit illegal.

[sasquatch]

I also think that it's been exaggerated a bit but like i just found this

http://ezinearticles.com/?Actual-Dangers-of-Marijuana&id=2126561


I don't believe people get addicted to the drug but the feelings they get from it. But like it's not all that bad as people are saying but it has a lot of health issues that the goverment has addressed and I probably don't make much sense right now lol.

I suppose i should respond...hmm... lets start at the beginning.

First of all, the mannerism of the article. the very first implication is that it is dangerous, the second is a ploy to attract adult readers with an extremely bad attempt at blackmail. Mentioning the children as the main protangonists Tugs at the parental jugular in almost any case and infact, most TEENAGERS smoke it, so young adults. not children. as i see it children are little dudes of 11 or younger who run around eating worms :P

"filthy plant" well, this is an instant giveway about how biased this article is, surely. An article for information should be objective, not personal. Its like if i has kept saying "beautiful cannabis, i love it i love it"

destroys much semblance of respect i have for it, as does the complete lack of sttention in the syntax. My syntax is usually so bad that I'm not going to risk making a fool of myself picking on it :P

actually, it's pretty logical i would have thought, cannabis smoked on its own is carcinogenic. manually rolled ciggies are carcinogenic, cannabis smoked with tobacco is carcinogenic. and factory ciggerettes may as well have road tar pressed into them for giggles.
I can't see the logic in Saying somthing is more hamrful than somthing that is more addictive. so you smoke it more, so which is pretty much as harmful...


right...this list then. should be fun.

It is NOT prepared in any manner, way, shape, or form with alcohol. You grow the plant, harvest the plant, dry the buds, cure the buds, smoke the buds. that's it. unless it's grown hydroponically in which case it will have nutrients in it. but not alcohol.

Actually, smoking doesn't usually cause you to hallucinate , not even midly. However if you eat it in large doses users have been known to Hallucinate on a level a lot more intense then LSD. so that is an extremely innacurate statement. also noone knows WHY it makes you hallucinate, just the same as noone knows EXACTLY why lsd makes you see things that arn't there. tis a silly statement.

actually a well packed spliff gets most users stoned for about 2 hours. and there is no pinch even after that. long term smoking does lead to psychological dependency, but actually the first time you smoke it you are very unlikely to really feel much, let alone be addicted.

Yes, it dries your mouth, and your windpipe, the latter isn't actually to any harmful or uncomfortable degree, the former is cured by this amazing thing called a glass filled with ana amazing substance known to human beings as water...

FINALLY an accurate statement. YES it does cause acceleration of the heartbeat, because it causes blood vessels to dilate ever so slightly, but the dilation and rate of heartbeat does not increase with dose or with the length of smoking.

Amental imbalance, an imbalance of what exactly? You are always aware of your surroundings when under the influence of cannabis unless you ate rather a large dose and have proceeded to start seeing all sorts of shit everywhere.

"The smoker may even witness shot-term memory loss TILL he/she is under the effect of marijuana."...Ok i wont worry next time then will I?

But no seriously, yes when smoked over a long period of time it does start to dull your memory slightly but only in the most tiny amou-wait what was I saying?. :P but it is not liek you never remeber anything, its just small things which you may forget anyway. Such as the whole issue everyone goes through where you search for a pen for two hours and its in your hand.

Actually its been proven that while driving under a SMALL dose of cannabis, reaction times go up significantly. However this only follows up to a certain point, then reactions do slow down.

The strange point to make about this is that when you smoke it, your reactions can be extremely fast, but its usually on a subconcious level. if someone throws somthing at you and you see it out of the corner of your eye, you will dometimes catch it so fast that you don't know what's happened. but there is a point where you turn into a great unmovable slug. think jabba the hut.

Yes, yes smokers do fantasize, Cannabis is a gerb which does slightly alter your perceptions, but it also ehances them, your creativity can increase radically. but again, this is only up to a certain point. (if anyone has seen my picture on this site, then that should be evidence enough to make my point)

Yes, soluble fat also gets deposited by ciggerettes. Anyone wanting my opinion on them should read the top of this post again.

Myself and many smokers I've met in my life are in fact EXTREMELY fond of learning, I personally cannot retain practical learning such as mechanics, but I can retain almost anything i read about that is acedemia. as long as it's not maths dear god no.

But the point is, the statement is completely ridiculous except for extremely rare cases of people who have that particular trait anyway.

... i like to think my posts are reasonably intellectual, anyone wanting more detail read the list of famous drug users on the drug war thread. should prove my point. which is of course that this statement is also ridiculous.


No, it can irritate all of those illnesses. except for cancer. when smoked. yes it can cause cancer, but only as much as anything else you may smoke, so its a ppor argument to make, when eaten. it can't cause cancer in any way shape or form. so its still a poor argument to make.

well. isn't that an interesting statement..I'm pretty worried now... I mean, by the way it was said, with no evidence to back it up, and no representation of WHAT actually happens to damage your reproductive system... my balls might fall off.

Actually, it has been known to reduce sperm count with prolonged heavy use, this much is true, but considering that it only take 1 sperm to get a woman pregnant...i think that is a bit of a petty thing to use as an argument as well.

As many people can tell, I havn't taken the writing of this post extremely seriously, i could have gone to any lengths, provided all my evidence, been dead serious in PROVING that articles' truthlessness.

The fact is that It doesn't deserve that much effort wasted on it, for someone who has been smoking for years, and knows a HELL of a lot of information from both sides of the ball court, that article is absolutely ridiculous.

Its so ridiculously badly writte nthat it's like whoever wrote it had been tied to a railtrack facing the sun and told to type it when he could hear the train whistle coming towards him. while being prodded with a stick.

extremely fun to pick apart and luagh at though, so thanks tom.

and thanks ripp also, as i said, i have no problem with people who disagree as long as they don't use arguments as bad as this last one.

Peace

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

To be honest, Thomas, that last article you quoted hardly sounds reliable (in the sense that it's terribly biased).
It is one of the most addictive drugs used amongst youngsters and they have been falling trap to this filthy plant since beginning of 19th century.
"Falling trap to this filthy plant"? "Falling trap" implies an innocent victim being tricked into it, that they would never smoke pot except somehow they got weaseled into it... and now they're hopelessly addicted and promiscuous drug fiends. Find me hard evidence that marijuana is physically addictive, and that young kids are somehow forced into being addicted for life, and I'll reconsider how that phrase could apply here. Just because a handful of kids may smoke pot to "fit in" with their friends, just as many drink alcohol and smoke tobacco for the same reasons--both of which ARE physically addictive and, as Christy pointed out, cause staggering amounts of people to die from illnesses which are directly related to their use. One recorded lethal dose of pot, ever, versus the better part of 100,000 alcohol-related deaths just in each year? Even when you widen it to "pot-related", instead of just an overdose, you hardly hear of marijuana causing cancer, or killing large percentages of its users (which tobacco is known to do, as well as alcohol). It also doesn't create the need for a liver transplant, or for parts of your jaw to be removed, or to have a hole cut in your throat because your larynx was damaged beyond repair. How many marijuana users does that happen to? Is it really the more dangerous drug? The "filthy" one, if you will?

"Filthy plant" in itself is clearly biased, and the entire phrase is worded in such a way as to portray the drug in a negative light--before it even gets to that list of potential side-effects. We haven't been told ANY facts about marijuana use yet, and we are already being manipulated. Propaganda is used by both sides, it's used in almost every instance of media regarding any issue it seems, but this is just blatant and is a hint that the rest of the article may be biased and unreliable as well. It is relying on an emotional response from you, for you to see these "youngsters" as vulnerable, impressionable, helpless little kids who tried pot once and now their lives are forever ruined. That's not how it is.

Also, at least two of the side-effects mentioned are a bit silly when you look at them closer, which makes me feel like they may be added so the list will be longer. The reason I assume this is because the article is clearly hell bent on making marijuana out to be a monster. This causes me to be skeptical of everything it says, because unfortunately it has already proven itself to be less than trustworthy as an objective source of information.
- It dries the smoker's mouth and windpipe
- Affects the intellect of the smoker; this phenomena might be irreversible.
- It increases the rate of heartbeats.

-It causes dry mouth. Wow. Note that this is not a permanent effect of marijuana, and that many other legal substances can cause your mouth to be a little dry at times as well. I'm on one for my depression and, trust me, needing to drink extra water to avoid having a dry mouth isn't a big deal--it's actually healthier for me to be sipping water throughout the day. I have to deal with it constantly, not just if I were to get high, and I can say it's really not enough to be considered a big bad side-effect.
-"Affects the intellect [...]". Affects how? Thanks to having already been told that this drug is "filthy" and that all those who smoke it are helpless victims who have been trapped by this horrible terrible substance, we assume it's a negative effect. Actually, nothing about this effect is mentioned, it just says that there is one. Is it a large effect? Does this cause problems for anyone in their everyday life? Is this an effect that can be measured in large amounts of marijuana users? Who knows, the article certainly does not clarify.
- "Increases heart rate".... By how much? Caffiene does the same thing and very few people are adamantly against having an energy drink with lunch, or buying a giant cup of coffee from Starbucks in the morning. Where's the facts on how large this increase is, and how dangerous it may be to a person's health? I fail to see that anywhere. For all I know it's the same as chugging that Monster before class because you were up late the night before (or perhaps because you get irritable and have a headache if you don't drink one. Read: addiction).

Hey, maybe marijuana does have it's side-effects--what doesn't? The article you quoted, however, is based on scare tactics and the knowledge that you will fill in the blanks with your own imagination when it fails to deliver evidence to back up its arguments.

[theOperaGhost]

I guess I...reluctantly...have to agree somewhat with Christy.

I still think recreational use of pot, or any drug for that matter, is completely pointless and just stupid though. I don't see why people do it...there are much better ways to "feel good" than by doing a damn drug. So many other things to do to have a good time and feel good...so many.

[Camazotz]

I strongly discourage the use of any "bad" drug. However, marijuana is shown to relieve stress and lessen symptoms in chemo patients. In my opinion, marijuana is much "healthier" than nicotine and alcohol.

[sasquatch]

Jared, i think what you are thinking is that it is one or the other?
Or at least that's the vibe I'm getting.

Its pure logic, When you sit and get high, you miss out, you can't go out or to the game, or to the beach, etc. why?. because it's illegal.

If it were legal, then those who choose to smoke it, would still smoek it, only we could actually be with all the other human beings socialising and getting much more out of life, because we would be able to without being arrested...

not a snap, just somthing that occurred to me.

Its not like heroin, where, for the vast majority of users. THAT. IS. IT. that is life. that is the only pleasure.

Its all about knowing how to tell between that haze of the high life, and that clear world of sobriety, and the real trick is learnign to mingle them and have the VERY most of both, which is very hard when it is illegal.

[theOperaGhost]

I strongly discourage the use of any "bad" drug. However, marijuana is shown to relieve stress and lessen symptoms in chemo patients. In my opinion, marijuana is much "healthier" than nicotine and alcohol.

I'm glad you put healthier in quotes! I can agree with the statement that pot is "healthier" than nicotine and alcohol, however mind you, the term healthier is used quite lightly because I don't consider pot healthy at all.

[The Batman]

That's the most recent article I could find but really I'm just using it as an example to what are the "lies" that is being said. Barely anyone has really answered the question is the government lieing and if so why?

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

The government didn't post that article, though. It was someone unrelated who I assume believed every word they were saying. Their attempt to manipulate our emotions was to serve their own means by getting us to side with them, for sure, but it didn't appear to have anything to do with what the government wants us to believe. To get at whether the government is consciously lying to us we have to somehow prove that they either are bullshitting any scientific evidence that they provide against marijuana use, or that they aren't and it really is that terrible. All your article showed is that the propaganda can get pretty intense no matter who's doing the talking, which can of course make it hard to see what's what.

Unfortunately, almost every article on the topic that you can find on the internet or elsewhere won't say anything about specific government officials and their motives for promoting all of those anti-weed ads. All you can do, is go by the arguments for and against marijuana use, and see which has more holes in it. In the end maybe all you come to is an opinion and you're not 100% positive which side is telling more truths, and even then all you can really do is decide for yourself how dangerous this drug really is. Whether the government is lying depends on that because obviously if they're saying it's bad and it turns out not to be, it's a lie. But then we're still stuck with whether they're purposefully lying, and to what means?

[ShatteredWings]

That's the most recent article I could find but really I'm just using it as an example to what are the "lies" that is being said. Barely anyone has really answered the question is the government lieing and if so why?

lieing and picking words and statistics carefully are two different things

[Modus Operandi]

Dangerous or not, I have always been a major advocate of allowing people to do as much harm to themselves as they so desire.

I agree.

I don't think the govt. is LYING per se, just bending the facts.

[The Batman]

lieing and picking words and statistics carefully are two different things

I didn't mention that at all I'm just trying to see the view from the other side. Also please expand on that I'm interested in what brought you to that conclusion.

[sasquatch]

Hey man Don't look at me i already have :) *shrug*

[mrmcdonaldduck]

the government does lie about a lot of things, this is one of them or atleast an exageration.

people have been doing MJ for years and now governments want us to stop.

[ShatteredWings]

Also please expand on that I'm interested in what brought you to that conclusion.

Okay. I'm pulling numbers out of my butt (it's seven thirty am, what do you expect?)

Stats can be made to say anything.

Let's say in a sample group of 100 (which isn't a fair sample to begin with, because of demographics) were asked "How many of you have used before" and 70 said yes
So the government would take that to be SEVENTY PERSENT OF TEENS ARE ADDICTS.
But if the question was rephrased "how many of you use regulary?", the answer would be lower. Again nubers from ass, let's say 20.
Government takes this as "TWENTY PERSENT OF TEENS ARE ADDICTS"

Where are we in the country?
In any inner city, that number might actually make sense. but in nowheresville North Dakota (sorry, picking empty state here) that's nowherers NEAR true.

SO it's not a lie, per se, it's selective surveys and word choise.

Also the stuff against, refering it to as 'dirty', and using loaded language, which is often opinion-based, would lead to the selective word choise.

[wisse2012]

its simply bc its not grown and sold by the government so we can sell w/o anytax and when the gov. isnt making cash they are going to stop us.

[The Batman]

The government is making cash from weed smokers do you just think the drug dealers burn the money? No they spend that shit on the stuff they want.

Thank you gwyn that is a great way to put it.

[theOperaGhost]

Where are we in the country?
In any inner city, that number might actually make sense. but in nowheresville North Dakota (sorry, picking empty state here) that's nowherers NEAR true.


We drink and use meth in North Dakota (#1 underage binge drinking state in the nation FTFW!!!!)...not too terribly much pot around though, although probably 20-30% of the people I know have smoked it...possibly up to 50%. Of course this is just of the people I know, so it's not very representative.

[sasquatch]

I would bet that alot of the people on this site know someone who smokes it, those people must know people who smoke it, those people must know others who smoke it. I think the true numbers of people who smoke are alot higher than many statistics point out :P

[ShatteredWings]

We drink and use meth in North Dakota (#1 underage binge drinking state in the nation FTFW!!!!)...not too terribly much pot around though, although probably 20-30% of the people I know have smoked it...possibly up to 50%. Of course this is just of the people I know, so it's not very representative.

Like i said, numbers pulled out of ass, to make a point.