Is it worse to hit women?

[Donkey]

I've been thinking of those obscene, ridiculous idea recently. Why is it considered so taboo to hit a woman when hitting a guy is just meh? I know that in general women are weaker than guys. But what stops a certain guy from being weaker than a certain woman?

What if I hit a certain guy after hitting a woman that was stronger than him? I'll be called a woman beater. And I'll get into more shit if it's taken to court. Why is that?

If male and female really are equal (which they aren't, but that's another thing entirely,) why does it matter more if I hurt a female rather than a male?

[Jagador]

To answer your first question, Females are more emtional and more fragile than a man is. They are not as violent as we are.

As for the second question, its a bit hard to understand, but i believe that if the guy delievers the first blow, the consequences are greater then if we didn't. Also you should be able to restrain the woman even though she is strong. Unless she is some sort of body builder, then its kind of impossible.

3rd question- I refer myself back to the 2nd question

[Donkey]

Not all woman cry over shoes. That's living to a sad stereotype. It is also stereotyping to say men are violent. I'm not violent. But I know women can be. If I hurt a violent women after getting very angry, does that make it right, or more right? No. It doesn't. It makes it the same. It's always the same. Hitting people is wrong. Hitting women is no more wrong.

You have to judge by the person whether they'll be very emotional if you hit them, not by if they have boobs or not. If a woman starts fighting a guy then the guy probably won't do anything back as hitting a woman is so obscene.

[Jagador]

STereotyping? im only posting my opinion. I suggest not sayin im stereotypin when my opion is being voice. i only said that women are more fragile and emotional. No where in my words did i say they are all crying for shoes. An through tests and theories, studies show that men are more likely to be more aggressive than women. Even if you are not, doesn't mean that you can't be in the future.

Anyway.. GTG.. going to the beach

[Donkey]

While I agree, in GENERAL woman are more fragile/emotional, I stand by my point that it is just as unacceptable to hit a man as it is a woman if they are of the same emotional/fragility status.

My point is that it shouldn't be taboo JUST BECAUSE you've hit a WOMAN.

[nick]

I think I agree with your point Jon but I'm not sure that its very well made. Its wrong to use violence against anybody irrespective of age or sex. That doesnt change the fact that it seems even more wrong when a strong person uses violence against a weaker one. The sad thing is that if a strong woman beats up a weak guy although the woman wont become a hero the guy will be regarded as a joke.

[Θάνατος]

While I agree, in GENERAL woman are more fragile/emotional, I stand by my point that it is just as unacceptable to hit a man as it is a woman if they are of the same emotional/fragility status.

My point is that it shouldn't be taboo JUST BECAUSE you've hit a WOMAN.


I agree with you and I see your point here Jon.

I think it goes back to history where women were not as strong as most men and were thought of as inferiour to man.

I don't think it is cool to a woman for any reason.

[Ripplemagne]

School's in session.

First of all, a bit of insight can be garnered on this subject in my Ripplemagne's Guide to a Healthy Relationship. (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=408674623&blogId=499256550)

The simple answer is that men and women are not equal. They have different complimentary traits that make them different. If men and women were equal, the idea of 'gender' would make no sense because we could just all be asexual.

The fact of the matter is that men are hunter/gatherers and women are support/nurturers. A man is a woman's protector and when he becomes the source of her pain, it's an act duly offensive because it's not only violence but it breaks a woman's security. She feels like the world is against her at that point.

There's a reason why women on steroids are she-hulks; it's because their natural design is compromised with testosterone. If you're unfamiliar with what testosterone is, it's the hormone in the body that makes men men. Women have a small amount too, but a surplus is unnatural.

Now, a woman can have a surplus of testosterone naturally, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference anyway because men tend to have more muscle mass, quicker reflexes and a higher threshold for pain.

There are, of course, men who cannot brutalize a woman and we call these men "pussies". But even then, this particular man hitting a woman is unacceptable because of our roles as protectors. Just because he's a failure doesn't mean he should step outside his station.

If you know anything about bars (probably not, but I'll explain it because my mom is a bartender and I'm currently training for part time), then you'll know that a real man's natural inclination to seeing a woman stricken is to defend the women. It's part of our psychological makeover.

In a bar atmosphere, any man who strikes a woman (in some places, even yelling at a woman is out of line) probably won't be able to walk out the door by the end of the ordeal. Why? Because every man in there will probably have a go at breaking a miscellaneous bone.

That doesn't mean we should just spread our arms and let them hit us, but hitting back is unacceptable. Restraint is key. If she goes to strike you, grab her wrist and lock her, so that she can't hit you. If she goes to kick you, either catch her leg or block with your leg and get behind her -- once again, lock her so she can't hit you. Same process no matter what she goes to do. Either way, I view any women who tries to hit me as someone who lost the verbal part of the argument and needed a way to redeem themselves, so they think hitting will make them feel better about being wrong.

Wrong. It makes you more wrong.

Women, you need to stop being such advantageous shrews. Just because we won't hit you doesn't mean you should try to hit us anyway. Because you're using our own nature as a handicap against us and that's wrong.

I remember two girls in my class were having an argument and I was making a few comic relief comments (whether this is right or wrong is subjective) along the way. Eventually, one of them turned to me and started to rage at me, but I kept my cool and shut her down while leaning back in my chair. At this point, she got up out of her seat and attempted to attack me; naturally, I blocked and restrained and the teachers came to separate us.

She got suspended and I got praised. The moral of the story? Stick to beating the shit out of your own gender.

[nick]

The moral of the story? Stick to beating the shit out of your own gender.
I hope that's a joke Mr Magne

[aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagg]

I agree with Ripplemagne for majority of what he said and he had a lot of strong points to support his opinion

[ShatteredWings]

Ripplemage: Despite the fact that what you just said is really sexist, i hate to say I have to agree with some of it.

However, if she hits you first you hit back. Obviously if she's trying to beat you up SHE CAN. Most girls I know won't pick a fight unless they think there's a fair chance they could win

My logic with hitting anyone is don't hit someone smaller or weaker than you. Regardless of gender. Yes, someone's probably going to point out that this logic is flawed since I'm "a girl". Bull shit. I won't hit a notable percentage of guys, because they're weaker than I am (it's really sad. The "stronger" sex, and a good half of the ones my age are a lot weaker than I am. and I'm not on fucking steroids)


Pick on someone your own size

[Ripplemagne]

Sexism is not, necessarily, a bad thing. Militant sexism, yes, but militant anything is bad. Just because I say things that are not culturally acceptable doesn't mean they're wrong and I'm glad you can see that.

Girls tend to hit with it in mind that you're not going to hit or they just get so emotional that they don't think that you'll hit back.

I've never met a girl who can beat me up and quite a number of them have tried to attack me. Even if there was a possibility that they stood a chance, I'd still abstain from striking them and opt for restraining them, instead.

[INFERNO]

I think hitting women is frowned upon because more often than not, a man and woman of the same age, race, etc..., the man will be physically stronger. Also, historically, the role of men was to protect women and fend for his family. So men would typically be seen as physically stronger, more dominant and more warrior-like than a women, and most people would see it as morally wrong to beat up someone that is far weaker than you are.

If a woman hits you and you then hit back, then man still may be frowned upon for three reasons. First, as mentioned above, he's hitting someone a lot weaker and probably will do more damage. Second, because women are seen as physically weaker and less physically aggressive, it may be thought that the woman's hits aren't very harmful to the man but the man's hits are harmful to the woman. Third, when hit, the man has three basic choices: run, hit back or restrain the woman. If the man hits back, then it's usually thought that he had little self-control as he could have been more than capable at restraining the woman without hitting her.

If men and women were generally equal in their physical strength, historical roles and dominance, then it may not be seen as being such a terrible thing. Sometimes a woman will be stronger and more dominant than the man, however, since that usually isn't the case in modern times and in historical times, the general view becomes men being stronger and fighters, whereas women are weaker and more submissive. I know it sounds sexist and isn't true in all cases but that's how it is.

[Bluearmy]

Intresting question.

Would the same rules apply if a man beat up on a transgender? What about if a gay man beat up his gay wife(man)?

[INFERNO]

Would the same rules apply if a man beat up on a transgender?

Good question, never thought of it before. I suppose though that at the time of the incident, the man may not have known the person was a transgender and simply assumed they were either a female or a male. If the man did know, then on-lookers probably wouldn't know the person was transgender and they'd judge the man as if the transgender was a male or female, depending on their looks.

However, there are other disorders where the person is more of one gender than another so in those cases, the person, if more female than male, would be considered a female.


What about if a gay man beat up his gay wife(man)?

Regardless of their sexual orientation, they're both males. So it'd probably be seen as a male fighting a perhaps more submissive male but I'd be willing to bet that on-lookers would simply assume it's a male vs male and judge as they would if it were two heterosexual males going at it. Or, depending on how submissive the gay male wife is, they may judge it as though it's a dominant man beating the snot out of a very submissive man and so they may see it as being somewhat cowardice and make use the old adage of "pick on someone your own size". However, I think they wouldn't judge it as harshly as they would for a man beating up a woman.

[Modus Operandi]

I think violence of any kind, towards anybody, for any reason, is wrong, but that dosen't apply here.

This argument goes both ways. First there is the side that says that most women are weaker than men, and thus hitting a woman is worse than hitting a man.

However, there are some people(men and women)who belive this to be sexism, like was said earlier. They also think this social rule is a result of stereotypes of both sexes. Men are supposedly violent and strong, while women are supposedly fragile and weak. Some people are outraged by those stereotypes(including myself).

[Grey fox]

Yes, purely becuase their revenge is ultimately more painful then it would be from a man...

[Eagle1]

no i don't think its wrong to hit a woman IF its justified

[INFERNO]

However, there are some people(men and women)who belive this to be sexism, like was said earlier. They also think this social rule is a result of stereotypes of both sexes. Men are supposedly violent and strong, while women are supposedly fragile and weak. Some people are outraged by those stereotypes(including myself).

The stereotype may outrage you, however, on average, it's generally an accurate stereotype.

[Giles]

Natural male-female control issues?

[Camazotz]

If I ever fought a woman, it wouldn't be because she was a woman. I'd only resort to violence if i were in danger; I'd fight back regardless of their gender. It shouldn't be any worse to beat a woman than any other person. However, all violence is usually unjustified and I would hope we could solve problems without it.

[Ripplemagne]

Honestly? If I were to see you fighting a woman, I'd probably roundhouse kick you and there are many people like me, so don't expect to be able to brutalize a woman without someone intervening. And it would be deservingly so.

[Bougainvillea]

Okay.
If I saw a woman coming at at full force trying to hurt me. I'll do my best not to hurt her. I'm...a big guy. And hurting people is not my thing. But if it gets to the point where I have to hit her, I will.

[Ripplemagne]

As a big strong man, you can't restrain her?

[Bougainvillea]

Well, like I said, if it had to come to that.
I've restrained people before.
And yes, I have hit a woman.
She was beating up on my mom.
I felt terrible.
I hate hitting people.

[Ripplemagne]

There's no reason a man should hit a woman. Restraint works perfectly fine. Like I said, as a bystander, I would roundhouse kick any man hitting a woman.

[RaeNose]

Can you really roundhouse kick like Chuck Norris? lol.
I don't know, I just know that I'm a naturally violent person. You probably could restrain me, but you'd be slapped, scratched up and bitten first.
I don't try hitting, because I know that I can't rely on brute force. I fight dirty.
But, I believe in the traditional gender roles in some cases. Like this one. Guys, as a general rule, probably shouldn't be hitting girls.
Although if she can take you, or she has 20 lbs on you in muscle... it's game time, baby. ;)

[Ripplemagne]

I can send someone packing just by kicking near them. <3

All men should learn how to restrain properly. You do so properly, and there is no scratching, biting, whatever involved.

[RaeNose]

Hahaha. That's awesome. :D
Surprisingly, not that many guys around here do. Although, they're usually trying to tickle me, and I don't put up with that nonsense, no way.
Btw, you're making it very easy for someone to take this advice and take advantage of some poor girl with it. Just FYI. lol

[Ripplemagne]

No worries. I'm a super hero. I'll smite them if they abuse their natural role.

[RaeNose]

lmao.
Which is why you don't see many women in combat in the military. They have found that men kept going back to save their female comrades. It's stupid, but common sense is sometimes replace with natural instinct.
I don't like guys hitting girls. And I've been hit pretty hard by some guys. But I still think if they can take you, and they throw that first punch... it's fair game.

[Bougainvillea]

There's no reason a man should hit a woman. Restraint works perfectly fine. Like I said, as a bystander, I would roundhouse kick any man hitting a woman.

Yeah, but when you see someone hitting your mom with a bucket, wouldn't you get some kind of disaster to slap her.
I would. Because my mom is nearly all I have left.

[Ripplemagne]

I love my mom. She's the best parent I could ask for. But in the situation, I'd have disarmed her of the bucket and restrained her. Besides... my mom is crazy; she'll devour a bitch.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Its bad to hit both genders. You really shouldnt being hitting people, thats for sure. Only time you really should hit someone is if they take your butterfingers or you need to save yourself

[dyslexiaa]

So long as women have all the leverage in domestic in disputes, I feel no remorse for when they get fucked over. Sexism is the short answer. Feminists cry for equality, I'm fine with honoring their request. Violence is wrong against anyone, but to treat women like children when they ask for complete equality as adults seems contradictory to me.

[Bougainvillea]

Yeah.
Well, running up and punching her was my first instinct. If I see you hurting my family, you're gonna get fuckin' hurt, no matter who you are.

[Ripplemagne]

I guess I can't expect much understanding of the world on a teen forum. X_x

[Bougainvillea]

Exactly :P

[tripolar]

To everyone that said they would never hit a woman over any circumstance what so ever are lairs.

So you mean no matter what you would never hit a woman, even if some psycho-woman just started to hit your mother or grandmother you wouldn't hit her. If some woman had a knife and was going to stab you, you wouldn't do anything. And when you say "i'll just restrain the woman", do you think she will just stop and give up, she'll start kicking and scratching so you'll probably use some force.

Some women abuse the whole "men can't hit me thing" Some people think they can do anything because a man can't hit a woman please.

I would never hit a woman for no reason but if the situation was necessary i would hit one.

[Ripplemagne]

I'm a lair? How does that work?

And once again, pay attention. I, clearly, said restraint is fine, which more than covers any circumstance you just gave.

Once again, if you hit a woman in public under your "special circumstances", you should be expecting a roundhouse kick coming your way.

I win.

[Hyper]

I guess I can't expect much understanding of the world on a teen forum. X_x

I fully understand you.. Regardless of the situation hitting a woman is wrong

If you were about to be knifed or killed then I'd forgive you, but still give you a dirty look

[ShatteredWings]

I guess I can't expect much understanding of the world on a teen forum. X_x

And then why did you join then?

It seems like the only thing you want to do on this forum is to just try to stir up trouble.

[Hyper]

And then why did you join then?

It seems like the only thing you want to do on this forum is to just try to stir up trouble.

Cough much hypocrisy?'

This is how stupid drama starts -- grow up to the point where you can at least keep the negativity to yourself

***KEEP THIS THREAD ABOUT WHAT IT IS***

[ShatteredWings]

I didn't join for the sole purpose of causing trouble, however, back on topic now

I still think that if a woman attacks you YOU SHOULD DEFEND YOURSELF. Yes, women tend to be smaller and weaker, but that doesn't mean that they can't hurt you. Should you use unnessary force? No, but you shouldn't use unnessary force on anyone

[tripolar]

I'm a lair? How does that work?

And once again, pay attention. I, clearly, said restraint is fine, which more than covers any circumstance you just gave.

Once again, if you hit a woman in public under your "special circumstances", you should be expecting a roundhouse kick coming your way.

I win.

A roundhouse kick. Lets start a brawl, sense your such an upstanding citizen why don't you restrain the man that hit the woman?

[Ripplemagne]

And then why did you join then?

It seems like the only thing you want to do on this forum is to just try to stir up trouble.

lulz u such a sherlock.

but that doesn't mean that they can't hurt you.

Yes, it does.

A roundhouse kick. Lets start a brawl, sense your such an upstanding citizen why don't you restrain the man that hit the woman?

Because a man hitting a woman deserves his teeth broken. Period.

[ShatteredWings]

No it doesn't. if someone knows how to defend themselves and use their weight to their advantage they can hurt you. Brute strenght isn't everything

I can think of a few girls off the top of my head who could kill me, and they're half my size.

[Ripplemagne]

Doesn't matter. They can't hurt me.

[Bougainvillea]

Once again, if you hit a woman in public under your "special circumstances", you should be expecting a roundhouse kick coming your way.

And I would use the same force as I did in my situation.
I'll knock your ass out. Anyone. Woman, men, a transvestite. If I'm in some kind of danger, or my family is.
I'm going to protect myself, and my family as I see fit.
I'm not going to endanger myself by trying to restrain you. I could. But I shouldn't have to. You put yourself in that predicament. Expect to get hit if you throw a punch. No matter who you are.

[tripolar]

And I would use the same force as I did in my situation.
I'll knock your ass out. Anyone. Woman, men, a transvestite. If I'm in some kind of danger, or my family is.
I'm going to protect myself, and my family as I see fit.
I'm not going to endanger myself by trying to restrain you. I could. But I shouldn't have to. You put yourself in that predicament. Expect to get hit if you throw a punch. No matter who you are.

Totally agreed. You kick me with your chuck norris imitation and you'll get hit back.

[Ripplemagne]

And I would use the same force as I did in my situation.
I'll knock your ass out. Anyone. Woman, men, a transvestite. If I'm in some kind of danger, or my family is.
I'm going to protect myself, and my family as I see fit.
I'm not going to endanger myself by trying to restrain you. I could. But I shouldn't have to. You put yourself in that predicament. Expect to get hit if you throw a punch. No matter who you are.

And if it's a female you're beating up on, expect to get your ass stomped by every bystander around. You're young, so you don't know the world well, but I've been in bar atmospheres all my life, so I know how things work.

Totally agreed. You kick me with your chuck norris imitation shit and you'll get hit back.

See, but what's going to happen is you're going to buckle and drop from that kick. <3

[Bougainvillea]

Two years.
I've seen my fair share.
Believe me.
You can ask anyone around.

[Ripplemagne]

That's nothing. I know people who've gotten their brains beaten in for hitting a girl in a bar. And they deserved every bit of it. Only a pansy feels the need to hit a woman.

[tripolar]

You can go ahead and hit (or do your little kick) the man that hit the woman but guess what, you'll still get an assault charge no one cares if your trying to play Robin Hood and get vengeance on a man who it a woman. Either way everyone gets in trouble, the woman that hit the man, the man that hit the woman and you who it the man. And everyone is going to get fined the same amount.

I know people who've gotten their brains beaten in for hitting a girl in a bar.

That's different that probably was a drunk man who it a woman nothing to do with self defense or protecting family.

[Bougainvillea]

I'm so pansy for protecting my mother.
I meant two years as our age difference.
I've seen terrible things.
Things you probably couldn't imagine.
I know what the world can be like.

[Hyper]

You can call in the only exception when your a martial artist and a female challenges you

Then it would be an insult not to give your best

But if its just a female insulting you or attacking you - IT isn't right, and if you can
t restrain her then get to the gym quickly!!

[ShatteredWings]

Really is that fair to say? Plenty of guys are simply smaller. Who do you think is stronger. A 5'6 140 male, or a 6'1 180 female.

I'd put my money on the girl....

[Bougainvillea]

Really is that fair to say? Plenty of guys are simply smaller. Who do you think is stronger. A 5'6 140 male, or a 6'1 180 female.

I'd put my money on the girl....

But hey, you never know.

[Ripplemagne]

You can go ahead and hit (or do your little kick) the man that hit the woman but guess what, you'll still get an assault charge no one cares if your trying to play Robin Hood and get vengeance on a man who it a woman. Either way everyone gets in trouble, the woman that hit the man, the man that hit the woman and you who it the man. And everyone is going to get fined the same amount.

Stonewall, much?

That's different that probably was a drunk man who it a woman nothing to do with self defense or protecting family.

You, obviously, know nothing about bar atmosphere.

I'm so pansy for protecting my mother.
I meant two years as our age difference.
I've seen terrible things.
Things you probably couldn't imagine.
I know what the world can be like.

kek

You can call in the only exception when your a martial artist and a female challenges you

Then it would be an insult not to give your best

But if its just a female insulting you or attacking you - IT isn't right, and if you can
t restrain her then get to the gym quickly!!

Even then, I wouldn't, but it's a bit more understandable there.

Really is that fair to say? Plenty of guys are simply smaller. Who do you think is stronger. A 5'6 140 male, or a 6'1 180 female.

I'd put my money on the girl....

I'm 5'8" and I've overpowered women that big. Men and women are built differently. There's a reason why men and women are in different divisions for sports.

[ShatteredWings]

But hey, you never know.

true.

But, since this whole argument is built on generlizations and sterotypes.....



Okay i'm done.

[Bougainvillea]

You, obviously, know nothing about bar atmosphere.
I don't know why anyone should.
Especially you, since you're only 18.

kek

I'm sorry.
I don't understand these crazy abbreviations. I guess I'm too old fashioned.

[Ripplemagne]

I don't know why anyone should.
Especially you, since you're only 18.

As I said, I grew up around bars, mon ami.

generlizations and sterotypes.....

True ones.

I'm sorry.
I don't understand these crazy abbreviations. I guess I'm too old fashioned.

So old fashioned you beat up on wimmenz, right? LOL. kk Rick James.

[Bougainvillea]

Yes. Old fashioned as in I don't need abbreviations.
I call it like I see it.
Obviously. So do you.
And since protecting my family is "beating up on wimmenz", I guess if you fuck with me, you'll be murdered.

[Ripplemagne]

If you have a vagina anyway.

[Bougainvillea]

Whatever.
We obviously have different views.
No point in arguing.

[sebbie]

Personally I believe that if you need to defend yourself from anyone, you should use proportionate force. Regardless of who the opponent is.

When you take into account places like bars/clubs the whole situation changes. From what I have seen in the clubs in UK if a guy even pushes a woman many other guys will kick off and that would make it far more dangerous for a guy even if he was defending himself.

[Ripplemagne]

Did this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fwpm1G_fE) happen to 'im?

[sebbie]

Example of what a night out where I go is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYxT0iyRJ0&feature=PlayList&p=65C65F61B27CB7FB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=34

Guys fight each other for no reason let alone jumping to defend some woman.

For me its actually scary to watch this video like this, because when I am out and see these fights I am usually too drunk to realise how serious they are...oh well good old Manchester