do you think maijuana is addictive?

[thedudeman]

why or why not?

[theOperaGhost]

Physically? No

Mentally? Yes.

I feel a mental addiction is just as tough to break as a physical one.

[Whisper]

mentally everything's addictive
masturbation
...VT

chemically no its proven not to be

[Mr. Awesome]

Physically? No

Mentally? Yes.

I feel a mental addiction is just as tough to break as a physical one.

Hate to break it to you but thats a clear contradiction of what you said.

Although i have no experience with it other than friends using it, my opinion is that like with any drug (alcohol, coke you name it), the USER can become addicted

[theOperaGhost]

Hate to break it to you but thats a clear contradiction of what you said.

Although i have no experience with it other than friends using it, my opinion is that like with any drug (alcohol, coke you name it), the USER can become addicted

Please explain how I contradicted myself. It is not a physically addictive substance. Just because it is not physically addicting doesn't mean it isn't addicting. Is gambling physically addicting? No. So how do we have gambling addicts? They are mentally addicted to it. And I still stand by my belief that a mental addiction is just as hard to break as a physical addiction. Have you ever tried to stop masturbating all together? It's pretty damn tough...that is a mental addiction.

[thedudeman]

then why does marijuana withdrawal come with lack of appetite, sleep, misery, acute anxiety, and irritability?

[INFERNO]

Hate to break it to you but thats a clear contradiction of what you said.

Although i have no experience with it other than friends using it, my opinion is that like with any drug (alcohol, coke you name it), the USER can become addicted

I'm not seeing the contradiction you seem to see. theOperaGhost defined two types of addiction, mental and physical. They then went to say that marijuana only qualifies as mental addiction and not physical. I don't see the contradiction in that at all.

then why does marijuana withdrawal come with lack of appetite, sleep, misery, acute anxiety, and irritability?

Because the drug is no longer in the person's system and there is a large physiological change from when drug is present to when it isn't present. This physiological change leads to a behavioral change and the person isn't dependent on the drug, they simply want it. In other words, their body isn't craving the drug and the behavioral changes seen when the drug is absent is simply due to the person wanting it. Hopefully that's clear, although I suspect it may not be.

[The Boy Genius]

Godamm its addictive at least mentality how many people would use it as often as they do if they were not addicted to it

[Whisper]

Godamm its addictive at least mentality how many people would use it as often as they do if they were not addicted to it

Don't ask a question if you already have an unfounded biased opinion on the issue
You touch yourself at night, obviously your addicted, which makes masturbation's wrong, which means you need to stop NOW and never EVER do it again


jesus

[The Boy Genius]

Touche
I have lost people close to me who were addicted to mj so i have a hard time leting any one in the universe touch it with out good cause

[Jagador]

Marijuana is addictive, but the people who smoke it find it addicting in their head. there really isnt much to it. What your think is your action.

[thedudeman]

I'm not seeing the contradiction you seem to see. theOperaGhost defined two types of addiction, mental and physical. They then went to say that marijuana only qualifies as mental addiction and not physical. I don't see the contradiction in that at all.



Because the drug is no longer in the person's system and there is a large physiological change from when drug is present to when it isn't present. This physiological change leads to a behavioral change and the person isn't dependent on the drug, they simply want it. In other words, their body isn't craving the drug and the behavioral changes seen when the drug is absent is simply due to the person wanting it. Hopefully that's clear, although I suspect it may not be.

i see your point, i guess the mental addiction is so strong that it shows physical symptoms? although i did experience cravings, very strong ones,i would shake and sweat in class and all i could think of was, weed weed weed, and started freakin really bad, as soon as the bell rung i biked as fast as i could home and grabbed the weed and only calmed down once it was in my system

Don't ask a question if you already have an unfounded biased opinion on the issue
You touch yourself at night, obviously your addicted, which makes masturbation's wrong, which means you need to stop NOW and never EVER do it again


jesus

in my mind i qualify addiction as something you have withdrawal symptoms from, or you feel you cant stop, generally if you dont feel anything besides a strong want to do it, its more of a impulse or habit

[INFERNO]

i see your point, i guess the mental addiction is so strong that it shows physical symptoms? although i did experience cravings, very strong ones,i would shake and sweat in class and all i could think of was, weed weed weed, and started freakin really bad, as soon as the bell rung i biked as fast as i could home and grabbed the weed and only calmed down once it was in my system

The brain controls the body and if you're wanting to have a smoke very badly, then you may see physical symptoms, however, those physical symptoms are of your mental cravings not of your physical addiction.

[thedudeman]

well then its a mental addiction strong enough to show physical symptoms?

[Modus Operandi]

well then its a mental addiction strong enough to show physical symptoms?

That's exactly what it is.

The brain has a powerful effect on the body. There are phenomenon called the placebo and nocebo effects. I actually did a report on these in english a while back.

The way they work is the brain basically convinces the body it's getting better or worse. This is supported thru basically every drug trial ever. They are required to put a portion of the patient population on a sugar pill, or the like. If a significant amount of people get better with the real drug than those on sugar pills, the drug is effective.

Testing the nocebo is ethically difficult, but it can be done. Often, false side effects will be told to patients in one of these tests.

The nocebo is what happens with marijuana withdrawl. The body isn't nesecairly worse off, but the brain makes the body think it is.
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[thedudeman]

That's exactly what it is.

The brain has a powerful effect on the body. There are phenomenon called the placebo and nocebo effects. I actually did a report on these in english a while back.

The way they work is the brain basically convinces the body it's getting better or worse. This is supported thru basically every drug trial ever. They are required to put a portion of the patient population on a sugar pill, or the like. If a significant amount of people get better with the real drug than those on sugar pills, the drug is effective.

Testing the nocebo is ethically difficult, but it can be done. Often, false side effects will be told to patients in one of these tests.

The nocebo is what happens with marijuana withdrawl. The body isn't nesecairly worse off, but the brain makes the body think it is.
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it really sux that this is true, basically it means there is no chemical addiction, but certain things your brain does while its coming off of marijuana such as the shock of having no relaxer makes the thoughts of anxiety become so prevalent in your brain they become real, kind of like actual anxiety, also im sure smoking as much weed a i did may have made a chemical shift occur in my brain, considering i popped prescription pills and drank syrup a lot with it