Ideas Are Invincible

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I don't know if you guys are aware of the false-flagging/DMCA abuse that's been happening to a ton of youtubers lately, particularly in the atheist community. My channel was suspended several hours ago; I had nearly 300 videos, and 1,700 subscribers. People who disagree with my videos had me suspended; they are fascist, free-speech hating bigots. Here the first video I've made on my "backup" channel. What do you guys think should be done to deal with these sort of issues?

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[Sapphire]

Places like youtube do not need prejudiced videos from anyone.
Your videos and attitudes are just as hate-fueled as the people you are "speaking out" against.

Stop judging others so harshly and just get on with life.

[Whisper]

I agree with carole not to mention its youtube aka google a private company
they're allowed to set rules and regulations on a website they own the rights too
its no different then when staff ban spammers or chronic porn posters here
VT isn't violating the (american) constitution anymore than youtube

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Places like youtube do not need prejudiced videos from anyone.
Your videos and attitudes are just as hate-fueled as the people you are "speaking out" against.

Stop judging others so harshly and just get on with life.

I'm not illegitimately silencing those who disagree with me. If they want to voice their opinion, they are FREE to do so. However, when WE speak out against them, they use deceitful, under-handed tactics to FORCEFULLY remove our videos, to destroy that right to free speech.

How can you call that similar?

[Whisper]

wow no mellow drama there :roll:

don't use this "we" either you're automatically turning this into an athiest vs religious war of sorts
I'm an atheist and I have no problem with what has happened
there's voicing your opinion and then there's inciting hate
two very different things
all you do in the vids i did see of you is attack other people's beliefs with a raw hatred
which is unnecessary and uncalled for

[Sage]

Places like youtube do not need prejudiced videos from anyone.
Your videos and attitudes are just as hate-fueled as the people you are "speaking out" against.

Stop judging others so harshly and just get on with life.

You see the problem with free speech is that people are going to get offended. Silencing those who offend you is, as James said, fascist in nature. I'm personally subscribed to a number of Youtube personalities (And not overly popular ones, I mean people like Shwanerd/James here.) and it is absolutely irritating for both the people who make videos and all those who enjoy watching them. I may also add that false DMCA reports are a criminal offense and anyone affected by them has absolutely every right to be pissed.

You rock on James, don't let this shit wear you down.

[Sapphire]

This is taken directly from their website
We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we do not permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status and sexual orientation/gender identity).
Don't whine and bitch about them suspending your account when you have clearly broken the rules on a number of occasions.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Apparently it is totally fine for the religious nutjobs to post a video, making a blanket statement that ALL atheists are evil and immoral. They can say the worst about us, without ANY evidence to back up their claims. So when we in return criticize their religion with LEGITIMATE, reasoned arguments with a wealth of evidence to back them up... they get to duct-tape our mouths shut to silence dissent? You don't see any problem with that... at all?

[Sapphire]

Apparently it is totally fine for the religious nutjobs to post a video, making a blanket statement that ALL atheists are evil and immoral. They can say the worst about us, without ANY evidence to back up their claims. So when we in return criticize their religion with LEGITIMATE, reasoned arguments with a wealth of evidence to back them up... they get to duct-tape our mouths shut to silence dissent? You don't see any problem with that... at all?
The rules apply to everybody all of the time. When the rules say you aren't allowed to post hateful and bigoted content and you do it anyway then you should take responsibility for your actions. You are 16. You can understand the consequences of your actions and now it is time for you to accept these consequences.

The fact that some religious people are doing the same isn't ok either. So flag/report them and then the management will then deal with them too.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

The rules apply to everybody all of the time. When the rules say you aren't allowed to post hateful and bigoted content and you do it anyway then you should take responsibility for your actions. You are 16. You can understand the consequences of your actions and now it is time for you to accept these consequences.

The fact that some religious people are doing the same isn't ok either. So flag/report them and then the management will then deal with them too.

I criticize religion for the very true negative things it does in the world. All of my "complaints" are always backed up with evidence, and thorough explanation. You can't in any way identify that to be similar to a religious youtuber making a video, declaring that all homosexuals are pedophiles and should be arrested. Those videos ARE made, and we do NOT flag them. Freedom of speech is supposed to be universal. It's GOOD that these people voice there hateful opinions, so that people can SEE them and have them open to criticism. I was fraudulently suspended in an effort to silence me. I gained a recent boost in popularity after appearing on a local access television show. They discovered me, and had me suspended in a deceitful manner. Youtube atheists DO NOT DO THIS.

[Sapphire]

Religion does a lot of good in the world too.
But are you interested in that? No, of course not because then you'd have to admit that religion isn't the evil thing you believe it is.

Fraudulently suspended? Lol.
Are you seriously saying that you still can't see how you have broken the rules?
Your videos broke the rules by containing "hate speech" and you obviously were reported. As such you have been punished.

If they are reported then they will be punished too as they are breaking the very same rule.

[Sage]

I've not a lot to add in this debate as of now, but I may just throw it out there that I don't feel it right for anyone with little knowledge of the false-flagging/false DMCA situation on Youtube has any authority to legitimately hold an opinion on the matter. It's easy to share an opinion based on a lack of knowledge or experience dealing with the matter at hand. It's easy to say "It says you shouldn't do this, so don't do this". But it takes some personal initiative to look beyond what's blatantly in sight and actually look into what's right and wrong.

Regardless of whether or not James' views were hate speech (and I do not feel they were), silencing them is no no use. As the title states, ideas are invincible. You may silence people and arrest people and kill people, but their ideas still stand strong. I don't want to compare atheists to nazis (do not quote me out of context), but even so many decades after the fall of Nazi Germany, many people still hold the views of Hitler. Another example, even though the beliefs encompassed under paganism are thousands (maybe tens of thousands, I'd have to research that) of years old, some people still practice them today.

If it's not hate speech, he has no right to be silenced. If it is hate speech, so what? Look at the Westboro Baptist Church for instance. They shout nothing BUT hate speech. And do you know why everyone stands so firmly against them?

Because they put themselves out there.

Silencing hate speech does not deal with hate speech, putting it on a proverbial podium and letting it make an ass of itself deals with hate speech.

I also correct myself now from where I said "I've not a lot to say" at the beginning of this post.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Religion does a lot of good in the world too.
But are you interested in that? No, of course not because then you'd have to admit that religion isn't the evil thing you believe it is.

Fraudulently suspended? Lol.
Are you seriously saying that you still can't see how you have broken the rules?
Your videos broke the rules by containing "hate speech" and you obviously were reported. As such you have been punished.

If they are reported then they will be punished too as they are breaking the very same rule.

I'm not even going to get STARTED with that first part, since that could be a whole different thread altogether. If you're just gonna remain ignorant of the intricate details of this situation, what's the point? Many moderate religious people on Youtube have SUPPORTED me and others like me in opposition of fundamentalists who carry out these false-suspension campaigns. They respect the fact that we allow TOTAL freedom of speech, and often side with us on this issue. Things are a lot more complicated than you'd think.

[Sage]

This isn't an issue of angry atheists yelling at angry religious folks, it's an issue of people who want to share their views, however strong they may be, versus people who do not understand what free speech means and think that anything offensive to anyone should not be allowed.

[Sapphire]

I don't even know why I'm bothering with this.
You are so brain washed that you can't even tell your head from your backside.

You should accept the consequences of breaking the rules. So just suck it up and deal with it.

And btw Deschain, if he is hating on people because of their religion (which I've seen him don in a number of these videos) then his videos contain hate speech.
Hate speech is not allowed by youtube as a private company and so they are perfectly justified in taking the course of action they did.

[Sage]

And btw Deschain, if he is hating on people because of their religion (which I've seen him don in a number of these videos) then his videos contain hate speech.

You clearly missed my point on the irrelevence of whether something is or isn't hate speech. I might also add, as an avid viewer of James' videos, that he attacks ideas, not people. But he can probably defend himself better on that point than I can.

[Sapphire]

You clearly missed my point on the irrelevence of whether something is or isn't hate speech. I might also add, as an avid viewer of James' videos, that he attacks ideas, not people. But he can probably defend himself better on that point than I can.
Youtube are a private company and if they laid down a rule against certain types of content then they are well within their rights to take action like suspending accounts when people repeatedly break said rule.

Taking action when someone expresses such views in the street is very different to this case.

[Sage]

I'm not debating company policies here, I'm debating whether or not it's right of Youtube to take such actions. This is an argument between right and wrong, questioning the rules in place, not so much as what was and was not against the rules.

[Sapphire]

So what are you saying?
That it's ok for people to use youtube to attack other religions/races/genders etc without having some form of action taken against them because it's all just freedom of speech?

[Sage]

So what are you saying?
That it's ok for people to use youtube to attack other religions/races/genders etc without having some form of action taken against them because it's all just freedom of speech?

Lumping in religion with race and gender is ridiculous, in that religion is an idea where as race and gender are things that one has no control over. I strongly hold the belief that one should have no pride in nor any shame in things that are beyond their control, such as where they are born, their race, or anything like that. Religious beliefs however, are ideas, and as such are not above criticism.

[Sapphire]

Criticism in the form of respectful debate is fine.
The problem arises when people label others as being stupid and ignorant for believing in and following religion X.

[Sage]

And this once again goes back to the point I raised that if people want to make asses of themselves, they should have every right to make asses of themselves.

[Sapphire]

And this once again goes back to the point I raised that if people want to make asses of themselves, they should have every right to make asses of themselves.
I don't understand who you are referring to there. Do you mean the religious people or the ones attacking religion?

[Sage]

I don't understand who you are referring to there. Do you mean the religious people or the ones attacking religion?

I'm refering to anyone who spews so-called "hate speech". To quote myself,

If it's not hate speech, he has no right to be silenced. If it is hate speech, so what? Look at the Westboro Baptist Church for instance. They shout nothing BUT hate speech. And do you know why everyone stands so firmly against them?

Because they put themselves out there.

Silencing hate speech does not deal with hate speech, putting it on a proverbial podium and letting it make an ass of itself deals with hate speech.

[Sapphire]

I'm refering to anyone who spews so-called "hate speech". To quote myself,
But equally, those who are in the firing line of this hate speech do not deserve to be subjected to that. Everyone should be treated with respect.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

But equally, those who are in the firing line of this hate speech do not deserve to be subjected to that. Everyone should be treated with respect.

I don't think so. I refuse to show respect towards people whose beliefs and actions are harmful to humanity in general. Should I show respect to neo-nazis having a rally to "bring back the holocaust"? Of course not! I we respected everyone's beliefs (regardless of how WRONG they are) we'd be doing a great disservice to mankind.

[Sapphire]

I don't think so. I refuse to show respect towards people whose beliefs and actions are harmful to humanity in general. Should I show respect to neo-nazis having a rally to "bring back the holocaust"? Of course not! I we respected everyone's beliefs (regardless of how WRONG they are) we'd be doing a great disservice to mankind.
Lol, you have completely mangled that quote of mine.
I was saying that people who have hate speech directed at them don't deserve it. I was also saying that everyone deserves to be treated with respect as opposed to having people discriminating against them.

[Jacobim Mugatu]

I'm not debating company policies here, I'm debating whether or not it's right of Youtube to take such actions. This is an argument between right and wrong, questioning the rules in place, not so much as what was and was not against the rules.

It is right, because Youtube has the right to ban anything they want on youtube. because its theirs, they own it, it would be like joining the boyscouts and preaching atheism, they will kick you out.

I am sure that many of these radical religion videos are banned too.

BTW, James from "Canaduh", have you ever used illegal drugs? you should stop and then take a look at the situation when you are in a more normal mental state.

[The Batman]

Youtube has a right to do whatever they want with their website. If they want to take down all atheist videos they can because really it's theirs. You might not like it and you might think it's wrong but in the end they own the site and they choose what they want on it.

[ShatteredWings]

Shame your channle went down dude. i liked your rants.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Shame your channle went down dude. i liked your rants.

Well then you're gonna love this!

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[The Batman]

You do realize that it's just a website and you could always go somewhere else with your vids.

[INFERNO]

Apparently it is totally fine for the religious nutjobs to post a video, making a blanket statement that ALL atheists are evil and immoral. They can say the worst about us, without ANY evidence to back up their claims. So when we in return criticize their religion with LEGITIMATE, reasoned arguments with a wealth of evidence to back them up... they get to duct-tape our mouths shut to silence dissent? You don't see any problem with that... at all?

The rules apply to everyone. If group A bashes group B and group A gets in trouble for that but group B bashes group A but doesn't get in trouble, then does that mean that it is acceptable for group B to bash? No. The rules for YouTube apply to everyone and these rules state:

But we do not permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status and sexual orientation/gender identity).

Judging by the video you gave in your first post, you've clearly violated the rule I quoted above that YouTube adheres to. If your other 300 videos violate the rules, or if only one of them do, then it's pretty easy to understand why your account got suspended.

But to put it simply, you say that a certain group is hateful yet your video in the first post is just as hateful. You weren't suspended because others wanted to be very sly-like and sweep your videos under the rug. I'm sure someone saw your videos and if they're anything like the one you posted in the initial post, it's a wonder you weren't suspended earlier.

[Sapphire]

To make videos for the sole purpose of ranting over little exchanges (that really don't matter) is very sad.

Get. A. Life.

[Jacobim Mugatu]

TheShwaNerd, or the Canadian Guy, I would like to see one of these "Evil Christians" videos
I haven't seen any, enlighten me please.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

TheShwaNerd, or the Canadian Guy, I would like to see one of these "Evil Christians" videos
I haven't seen any, enlighten me please.

I obviously completely disagree with these videos, but you wanted an example so here you go.

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[The Batman]

If you have a problem with those videos report them, youtube is not going to just make it one sided and only the atheist get suspended.

[antimonic]

Was the guy who had his youtube account suspended raped by a Priest, an Imam, a Vicar, a Budhist Monk, a Sikh and many other religious figures or something?

Whats with all the hate for religion? sometimes religious faith is all people have, and its what helps them push themselves that little bit further. Sure you get some religious retards who do very stupid things "in the name of God" or whatever but so fucking what? Do you blame the religion, or the individual for their action?

Its just common sense, menally stable people can control their behaviour, whether they are religious or otherwise. If a guy kills 10 prostitutes because they are "wrong" and "evil" and "un-God-fearing" according to their religion, is it the killer who has to appear in court, or is their religion that must stand trial?

Its like surgery. it Does wonderful things to people sometimes, but it can sometimes make this worse. Does that mean surgery is bad? lol

TBH sounds like canadian guy is bitching because his account got suspended and not the account/s of whoever he was posting with regards to lol

Of course it MUST be because youtube is very clearly ANTI-ATHIEST, it isnt the possibility that just maybe your videos were BREAKING THE RULES lol

[ShatteredWings]

If you have a problem with those videos report them, youtube is not going to just make it one sided and only the atheist get suspended.

watch this one tom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkEXkMj2fE

methinks the point of tihs thread was someting along the lines of "why the hell can't everyone beleive what they want and say it without being deleted"

[Jacobim Mugatu]

I want to see videos where they say that all gays are pedophiles and need to be lockup and murdered, I want to see those.that videos actually analyzes homosexuality, and enplanes with facts why he thinks its wrong, and uses logic to show his criticism. he doesn't only criticize Homosexuals, he also reads that adulterers, homosexuals, fornicators, sodomites, and thieves are wrong in the eyes of god, not just Homosexuals. all you have done canadianguy, is call religious people, loud, hateful, homophobic, while you have no proof to back up facts. you also called them "fucking Nuts", these are just hateful accusations, with no facts.

and he doesn't "attack" homosexuals at all at all in the video, he criticizes them, but not attacks them. I can see that you may disagree with it, but to compare it with your videos is unreasonable.

[Camazotz]

To get it out of the way, I honestly thought you were on a 4chan rant from the Anon mask.

Anyway, I'm on your side with this. I know for a fact that people abuse the flagging system, especially if the channel discusses controversial topics (like yours). People don't like hearing opposing views to religion, so they try to get them removed. I've never seen your videos and I'm sure theists would take offense, opinions should not be silenced. I know Youtube has the right to remove your channel, but this debate is about free speech. You deserve the right to argue with religion and to question their traditions, just like they have the right to argue and question atheism.

[Maverick]

Start up your own site and upload your own videos. Your house and your rules. If your videos are worth watching people will find them and watch them.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I want to see videos where they say that all gays are pedophiles and need to be lockup and murdered, I want to see those.that videos actually analyzes homosexuality, and enplanes with facts why he thinks its wrong, and uses logic to show his criticism. he doesn't only criticize Homosexuals, he also reads that adulterers, homosexuals, fornicators, sodomites, and thieves are wrong in the eyes of god, not just Homosexuals. all you have done canadianguy, is call religious people, loud, hateful, homophobic, while you have no proof to back up facts. you also called them "fucking Nuts", these are just hateful accusations, with no facts.

and he doesn't "attack" homosexuals at all at all in the video, he criticizes them, but not attacks them. I can see that you may disagree with it, but to compare it with your videos is unreasonable.

I can't believe you'd actually side with that man. He calls homosexuality "absolutely filthy and disgusting" and thinks that you're only "normal" if you are heterosexual. What's unreasonable is the fact that he can say whatever he wants, and I can't, since people like him file FALSE DMCA's. Do you know what that even IS?! They complain that our videos are copyright infringing, and that is a FELONY. It's a CRIME to false DMCA someone, and they continually do it to us.

[Jacobim Mugatu]

He criticized homosexuality in a mostly logical way, where nothing you say in your videos is logical.

[liveyoungdiefast]

Okay, I've seen a lot of incredibly ignorant posts in this thread.

Yes, youtube is private and can do what they want. But this not about rules. They don't have admins/mods go through videos and see if they are in violation very often. They rely on a flagging system. So if someone is controversial, most commonly an atheist, the people who dislike them will gather through their internet soap box a couple hundred or thousand obedient servants to 'flag' the video. If youtube admins see a video flagged a thousand times they aren't likely to even look at it, they'll just take it down and suspend the maker's account.

So many people have complained about this to youtube. They ask for the discretion of the people in control of youtube, they are just asking for videos to be seen before they are taken down, because the flag system is far too heavily abused.

And atheists are primarily the target of these attacks. And debunking the shallow arguments of the religious community on morality and creation vs. evolution issues is not hate speech. For fuck's sake, if Christians can get away with saying gay people are subhuman and threatening people with eternal torment in hell for not believing, I really don't know what an atheist could say that could be considered 'offensive'.

Religion does not deserve special privileges. Having an irrational idea and defending it by calling it faith does not make the idea any less worthy of being torn apart.

And for the wider ethical debate, allowing religion to be protected from speech is a very dangerous precedent. It leads to them claiming the right to actions normally considered wrong or illegal. Lest soon we have more repeats of the "Yearning For Zion" Ranch where perverts can rape children and claim it justified in the name of their filthy little fairy tales.

[The Batman]

I usually don't do this but...

Okay, I've seen a lot of incredibly ignorant posts in this thread. Um we pretty much know him and his views on religion and a few of us have seen some of his videos so ignorance isn't the problem.

Yes, youtube is private and can do what they want. But this not about rules. They don't have admins/mods go through videos and see if they are in violation very often. They rely on a flagging system. So if someone is controversial, most commonly an atheist, the people who dislike them will gather through their internet soap box a couple hundred or thousand obedient servants to 'flag' the video. If youtube admins see a video flagged a thousand times they aren't likely to even look at it, they'll just take it down and suspend the maker's account.And if you give them a good enough reason I'm sure they will bring it back.


And atheists are primarily the target of these attacks. And debunking the shallow arguments of the religious community on morality and creation vs. evolution issues is not hate speech. For fuck's sake, if Christians can get away with saying gay people are subhuman and threatening people with eternal torment in hell for not believing, I really don't know what an atheist could say that could be considered 'offensive'.
This isn't a religion vs. atheist thing, it's more about them finding what he says offensive and actually flagging. I've seen a couple of his vids and I've read a lot of his posts here about religion and usually they aren't nice.

Religion does not deserve special privileges. Having an irrational idea and defending it by calling it faith does not make the idea any less worthy of being torn apart.No one is getting special treatment get a rally of atheist to flag any offensive religious vids if you feel like it's sooo bad.

And for the wider ethical debate, allowing religion to be protected from speech is a very dangerous precedent. It leads to them claiming the right to actions normally considered wrong or illegal. Lest soon we have more repeats of the "Yearning For Zion" Ranch where perverts can rape children and claim it justified in the name of their filthy little fairy tales. Dude that's not going to happen and I think everyone is just seeing to much into it and turning it into a huge problem. It's only youtube FFS there are thousands of sites out there like it find one upload a video and get over it.

[Sapphire]

Start up your own site and upload your own videos. Your house and your rules. If your videos are worth watching people will find them and watch them.
QFT!

[ThatCanadianGuy]

He criticized homosexuality in a mostly logical way, where nothing you say in your videos is logical.

I'd ask you to go watch my old videos and point out where my arguments lack evidence... BUT WAIT you can't go watch them because they've been SUSPENDED. I hope no gay teens see what you've said; that man called homosexuality filthy and disgusting and wrong, and YOU say he's the one with a logical argument?!?! You can't be serious.

As for Maverick's earlier post; youtube is known as "the" primary video sharing site. I'm not going to cower in fear at their illegal/deceitful tactics. I made a new channel, and my subscriber count is nearly at 1000 again. If anything, this attacks only get people MORE views.

[Jacobim Mugatu]

You are taking 2 words of an eight minute video, listen to all of it. most of it seems very well thought out and very logical and not hateful in any way, with the exception of the one comment, which isn't as bad as some of the things you have said. and I would still like to hear the video where they say that all gays are pedophiles and need to be lockup and murdered.

[The Batman]

I watched the video and just found it sad and pathetic hardly offensive though.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I watched the video and just found it sad and pathetic hardly offensive though.

I can't believe this. I'm heterosexual, and I was nonetheless seriously offended by his bigotry and stupid justifications for holding such a position. And guess what? None of us flagged his video, but we posted responses telling him WHY he's wrong. Guess what that man did? He filed FALSE DMCA claims against most people, getting their videos taken down due to "copyright infringement". What he did was illegal, considered a FELONY in the UK.

Are people just trying to be willfully ignorant now?

[Sapphire]

I can't believe this. I'm heterosexual, and I was nonetheless seriously offended by his bigotry and stupid justifications for holding such a position. And guess what? None of us flagged his video, but we posted responses telling him WHY he's wrong. Guess what that man did? He filed FALSE DMCA claims against most people, getting their videos taken down due to "copyright infringement". What he did was illegal, considered a FELONY in the UK.

Are people just trying to be willfully ignorant now?
I think it is you who is being willfully ignorant.
When you register an account with a company (in this case youtube), you agree to adhere to the rules they have set. You also agree that should you break such rules then youtube can take some action against you (i.e. deleting videos etc). You have been punished for your repeated breaking of their rules.
That is not unjustified. That is not something to moan and bitch about.

His actions were wrong as well and he should be dealt with accordingly. But, his actions do not give you the green light to break the rules.

[antimonic]

Are people just trying to be willfully ignorant now?

NOPE, you just seem to be willfully retarded! This is how its gone so far.

Kid says something you dont aggree with and are offended by.

INSTEAD OF FOLOWING THE RULES and flagging a video you deem offensive, you simple post your retaliating video.

So he flags you, and your beloved account gets suspended (lol).

Anything added to this is merely fine print, this is whats basically happened, adding religion as a topic or as a reason why your video was deleted and not his is just reaching for justification!

You break the rules, someone catches you out, you will have account eleted, end of................now stop whining!!

[Modus Operandi]

I am not going to take sides here, just going to say why I think this happens to people like you, James, more than the religious nuts.

The problem, I think, is that most people like you would never even think of abusing the flag system. However, the religious right wants to silence any views that aren't thier own, thus they choose to abuse the flag system.

However, some of the blame does lie with you if you are making hate speech.

[The Batman]

Are people just trying to be willfully ignorant now?

Since I refuse to offended by an idiot with a camera I'm ignorant? That dude is so fucking blind it's funny I feel bad for him considering he has more shit coming out of his mouth than his ass.

[Camazotz]

NOPE, you just seem to be willfully retarded! This is how its gone so far.

Kid says something you dont aggree with and are offended by.

INSTEAD OF FOLOWING THE RULES and flagging a video you deem offensive, you simple post your retaliating video.

So he flags you, and your beloved account gets suspended (lol).

Anything added to this is merely fine print, this is whats basically happened, adding religion as a topic or as a reason why your video was deleted and not his is just reaching for justification!

You break the rules, someone catches you out, you will have account eleted, end of................now stop whining!!

It's okay if someone wrongfully flags his video, but it's wrong if he wrongfully flags other videos? I cannot understand what you're trying to say here.

[Sapphire]

It's okay if someone wrongfully flags his video, but it's wrong if he wrongfully flags other videos? I cannot understand what you're trying to say here.
He was saying that ThatCanadianGuy should (upon seeing an offensive video) stop posting rants about them and actually follow the rules by flagging the offensive video(s).

[INFERNO]

I can't believe this. I'm heterosexual, and I was nonetheless seriously offended by his bigotry and stupid justifications for holding such a position. And guess what? None of us flagged his video, but we posted responses telling him WHY he's wrong. Guess what that man did? He filed FALSE DMCA claims against most people, getting their videos taken down due to "copyright infringement". What he did was illegal, considered a FELONY in the UK.

If that is what he did do, then it was wrong also. But at the same time, YOU were wrong in that you violated the YouTube rules also.


Are people just trying to be willfully ignorant now?

:lol: You're kidding, right? You're calling other posters "willfully ignorant" without looking at yourself in the mirror. You broke YouTube's rules, your videos got flagged enough times and an admin suspended your account. Plain and simple, I don't see where you find it so difficult to understand. But instead of acknowledging you may have actually done something wrong, you continue to pick at other people and say "look, look, he/she did something wrong, look, look". Both parties (and yes this does include you) did something wrong. Live with it, quit whining and seeing as how your videos mean so much to you, upload them elsewhere or even make your own website.

As for the people abusing the flagging system, do you honestly think that it's only the religious folk doing that? I'm sure there are many atheists who also abuse it and perhaps some even file false DMCAs.

[Whisper]

Seriously I must say
you've got that columbine vibe

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Seriously I must say
you've got that columbine vibe

I'm disgusted that you'd even consider accusing me of something so horrible. On this thread I've been accused of taking illegal drugs, hate speech, and being a "school shooting" candidate. And guess what? Youtube has informed me that my channel has been reinstated.

That's right. I'm no longer suspended. Guess why? They told me that I had been flagged fraudulently, and that my videos fell well within the guidelines of free speech.

What have you got to say now?

cf8Ze4p0Nko

[antimonic]

............That you are retarded and whine more than a spoilt toddler? having your youtube account reinstated doesnt change that :D

Im sorry if you think it does, but you still were whining like a little bitch when "your account was suspended but the others werent", so enjoy! :P

[ShatteredWings]

Youtube has informed me that my channel has been reinstated.

That's right. I'm no longer suspended. Guess why? They told me that I had been flagged fraudulently, and that my videos fell well within the guidelines of free speech.



nice.

Though, was this really the place for this kind of rant? i'm not sure how it's a debate

[Hyper]

I'm disgusted that you'd even consider accusing me of something so horrible. On this thread I've been accused of taking illegal drugs, hate speech, and being a "school shooting" candidate. And guess what? Youtube has informed me that my channel has been reinstated.

That's right. I'm no longer suspended. Guess why? They told me that I had been flagged fraudulently, and that my videos fell well within the guidelines of free speech.

What have you got to say now?

cf8Ze4p0Nko

I think you can now continue living your life of warped morals and delusions justifications.

Sorry but you have in the past more than proved yourself as a militant type of individual when demonstrating his views.

And you are in reality no better than the religious extremeists

[Whisper]

What have you got to say now?
You give off that creepy columbine vibe

[antimonic]

I think you can now continue living your life of warped morals and delusions justifications.

And you are in reality no better than the religious extremeists

Sorry, but how can someone who - angrily argues his views in an attempt to force them onto others and belittle those that dont comply with their own - be compared to a religious extremist?..............oh wait, nvm lol :P

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I think you can now continue living your life of warped morals and delusions justifications.

Sorry but you have in the past more than proved yourself as a militant type of individual when demonstrating his views.

And you are in reality no better than the religious extremeists

Thank you!

You know, I'm glad you think I'm just like religious extremists. I guess its time for me to go bomb an abortion clinic and kill innocent people in the name of... nothing.

Seen me strapping C4 to my chest lately? I voice my opinions in a medium where it is safe to do so. Arguing on the internet... is the same as religious extremism/terrorism :rolleyes:

Hilarious.

[Hyper]

Thank you!

You know, I'm glad you think I'm just like religious extremists. I guess its time for me to go bomb an abortion clinic and kill innocent people in the name of... nothing.

Seen me strapping C4 to my chest lately? I voice my opinions in a medium where it is safe to do so. Arguing on the internet... is the same as religious extremism/terrorism :rolleyes:

Hilarious.

Thank You for exactly proving my point

Your mind is in such a brainwashed, delusioned & warped state that you don't even stop to CONSIDER for 1 moment that you are even partially wrong

Instead you immideatly try to undermine what I've said and make it into some sort of ironical BS

In short; don't try to twist my words arround kthx

[antimonic]

Thank you!

You know, I'm glad you think I'm just like religious extremists. I guess its time for me to go bomb an abortion clinic and kill innocent people in the name of... nothing.

Seen me strapping C4 to my chest lately? I voice my opinions in a medium where it is safe to do so. Arguing on the internet... is the same as religious extremism/terrorism :rolleyes:

Hilarious.

He called you a terrorist? lol now you see things that arent really there.

Hilarious

And no, you wont bomb an abortion clinic, but a church or a mosque because you believe "religion is a curse on humankind, which must be cleansed of the sort!"

[Whisper]

you're not arguing
you've gone well beyond that
and after a hissy fit like this
and looking back at your vids and your attitude
I'm ashamed of you, it's extremists like yourself that give atheism a bad name
you aren't going to convince anyone with a mentality that you've created for yourself towards religion

Science is about reason, logic
I see none of that looking at you
All I see is bigotry and hatred
part of the problem not the solution
hatred just breads more hatred
which if anything is just sad, there's enough of that in the world as is
Because outside of this you are a GREAT guy, bright, funny, charismatic, if you didn't have such an extremist point of view i think we'd be great friends
but you seriously need to take a chill pill
you're just hurting yourself

[Sapphire]

I think you can now continue living your life of warped morals and delusions justifications.

Sorry but you have in the past more than proved yourself as a militant type of individual when demonstrating his views.

And you are in reality no better than the religious extremeists
Quoted for fucking truth!

ThatCanadianGuy, you give atheists a bad name!
We are not all as judgmental or quick to criticise as you are. We are not all as harsh on other people's religious beliefs as you are.

Btw, he didn't say you are a terrorist.
Your absolute insistence that your view is the only correct view, that religion has no place in the world and that it is an evil, harmful element are all extremist standpoints.
Despite what you may like to think, you can't be right all the time on this topic.
Why? Because you are still learning.
An example of this? Falsifiability. A very defining feature of science and scientific thought that you have only learned about within the past 6 months.

The sooner you stop preaching your prejudiced crap and get a life, the better.

[The Batman]

I'm going to lock this before it gets to out of hand :locked: