Arrests as BNP protesters gather

[TigerLily]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090815/tuk-arrests-as-bnp-protesters-gather-6323e80.html

Police have made a handful of arrests as anti-fascist protesters gathered at the site of a controversial British National Party festival.

A spokeswoman for Derbyshire Police said a small number of arrests had been made near the village of Codnor as hundreds of demonstrators voiced their opposition to the BNP's annual Red, White and Blue festival.

"Those arrests were of protesters who had been acting unlawfully," the spokeswoman said, adding that some of the demonstrators had gathered outside approved protest zones.

The main body of demonstrators, which is being monitored by police CCTV cameras, gathered in Codnor's Market Place and is expected to march to Codnor Denby Lane later.

Campaign group Unite Against Fascism has joined forces with Midlands TUC and local protest group Amber Valley Campaign Against Racism and Fascism to bring hundreds of anti-fascist protesters to the area.

They plan to "kettle" the rally and have organised the protest march to the site of the festival and back again.

Kettling, also known as containment or corralling, is sometimes used by police and involves a large cordon to contain a crowd in a limited area.

The move comes after an open letter was published on Unite Against Fascism's website, condemning the event.

The letter, whose signatories include former London mayor Ken Livingstone, children's author Michael Rosen and trade union leaders, said the event's purpose was to "build up a hardened neo-Nazi core at the centre of the organisation".

It said: "We condemn the BNP and its festival of race hate, and we urge people to reject this party's poisonous and anti-democratic agenda."

[peaceloverugby]

They try to use "approved protest zones" here in the US, it's a joke: they're cages set up a good mile or so from the place the protesters want to be.

[thepieman]

It makes me sick that people could support such a fascist and racist party. Why can't we all get along? It's disgusting.

What makes it worse is the amount of people who support them. Where I live, in the North West of England, our MEP (member of European parliament) is a representative from the BNP. It makes me ashamed that the people of my home county are voting for these fascists.

I see nothing wrong with the protests, something needs to be done. How can the protesters be unlawful if they a protesting against racism, which is of course, a major UK CRIME!

[danzama]

i support the bnp.

how many immigrents are in the uk?
they take our jobs, our homes and our country.
don't get me wrong i'm not a racist, but stay in your country and we'll stay in ours

[peaceloverugby]

but stay in your country and we'll stay in ours

Oh yeah, stay in your own country eh? How did that work out in America, Canada, Bermuda, Ireland, Palestine, Australia, New Zealand, China, India, Pakistan, Arabia, Iraq or South Africa? Maybe if the British stayed in their own country, people wouldn't come to Britain. Take your own advice, and remove the troops and puppet government from Ulster.

Besides, BNP is fascist, and fascists have never done any good. If you can name me one fascist government that has the support of the people and is successful, I'll put a George Bush bumper sticker on my car.

[Project Delta]

There was a similar protest in biirmingham at the weekend adn fights broke out. I was among it. Not while they were fighting though

[danzama]

Oh yeah, stay in your own country eh? How did that work out in America, Canada, Bermuda, Ireland, Palestine, Australia, New Zealand, China, India, Pakistan, Arabia, Iraq or South Africa? Maybe if the British stayed in their own country, people wouldn't come to Britain. Take your own advice, and remove the troops and puppet government from Ulster.

Besides, BNP is fascist, and fascists have never done any good. If you can name me one fascist government that has the support of the people and is successful, I'll put a George Bush bumper sticker on my car.

i see your point but if the bnp did take control immigration and emmigration would bea bit harder.

also the bnp sais that any immigrant that has helped the country ,i.e. worked in it, for the past fifty years is ok to stay (don't quote me on that i'm a bit unsure)

also, george bush has an ugly face don't punish your car :)

[Darkness]

Besides, BNP is fascist, and fascists have never done any good. If you can name me one fascist government that has the support of the people and is successful, I'll put a George Bush bumper sticker on my car.

QFT.

[Sapphire]

Besides, BNP is fascist, and fascists have never done any good. If you can name me one fascist government that has the support of the people and is successful, I'll put a George Bush bumper sticker on my car.Fascist governments of the past have done good amongst the bad.
For example, Hitler rebuilt Germany after the complete humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles, he built the first motorway and set up a very well known car manufacturer.
Of course nothing can outweigh the awful things they did, but the fact still remains that some good was done.
i support the bnp.

how many immigrents are in the uk?
they take our jobs, our homes and our country.
don't get me wrong i'm not a racist, but stay in your country and we'll stay in oursLol. If you think like that and support the BNP then you are being racist.
These immigrants have just as much right as you do to be here. Have you never heard of free movement of persons and the freedom of movement of labour?

i see your point but if the bnp did take control immigration and emmigration would bea bit harder.

also the bnp sais that any immigrant that has helped the country ,i.e. worked in it, for the past fifty years is ok to stay (don't quote me on that i'm a bit unsure)If the BNP are elected we would no longer be in the EU which would affect us negatively, not positively.

And what has Nick Griffin said about people who have been born in this country but have immigrant parents? They are as British as we are so what would happen to them?

I see nothing wrong with the protests, something needs to be done. How can the protesters be unlawful if they a protesting against racism, which is of course, a major UK CRIME!The thing that they did wrong was protesting outside of the allocated spaces. If they'd been in the correct place then they wouldn't have been arrested.

[Darkness]

If the BNP are elected we would no longer be in the EU which would affect us negatively, not positively.


No, we do not need others, we do not need metric.
We must cooperate with our neighbors of course, but allow them to control us? Let them change things that have nothing to do with them? No. The Non EU thing is the only thing that the BNP have going for them.

[Sapphire]

No, we do not need others, we do not need metric.
We must cooperate with our neighbors of course, but allow them to control us? Let them change things that have nothing to do with them? No. The Non EU thing is the only thing that the BNP have going for them.
Ok, being a member state of the European Union acknowledges that there are advantages to be gained from this alliance.
They don't control us as the rulings only cover specific areas like employment, trade, sales, equality and discrimination.
If a company sells unsafe items then it is the laws laid down by the EU that protects the consumers.
If a company discriminates against employees then it is EU law that aids the employee.
If there are disputes over fishing between member states then it is European law that makes the decisions.
Anything connected with education, health care, criminal activity and the such like is completely under domestic law.
All in all, they do a hell of a lot of good for us without dictating to us and controlling us.

EDIT
Also, the EU only really intervenes if the Member States can't do it properly themselves.

[Darkness]

Ok, being a member state of the European Union acknowledges that there are advantages to be gained from this alliance.
They don't control us as the rulings only cover specific areas like employment, trade, sales, equality and discrimination.
If a company sells unsafe items then it is the laws laid down by the EU that protects the consumers.
If a company discriminates against employees then it is EU law that aids the employee.
If there are disputes over fishing between member states then it is European law that makes the decisions.
Anything connected with education, health care, criminal activity and the such like is completely under domestic law.
All in all, they do a hell of a lot of good for us without dictating to us and controlling us.

EDIT
Also, the EU only really intervenes if the Member States can't do it properly themselves.

Right, say the ramrod up my arse has a ramrod up its arse if you will, but I don't see what place the EU has anymore in this country. I don't see why we have to use metric when selling stuff to each other.
I mean if we were selling things to another country yeah, but why in the local bakers?
We have our own unions and laws for discrimination and we CAN enforce them!

[Sapphire]

Right, say the ramrod up my arse has a ramrod up its arse if you will, but I don't see what place the EU has anymore in this country. I don't see why we have to use metric when selling stuff to each other.
I mean if we were selling things to another country yeah, but why in the local bakers?
We have our own unions and laws for discrimination and we CAN enforce them!The EU will help kick start our economic recovery. Granted, our economic problems are too deep for our links with other European countries to solve them completely. But it provides a base for the improvement and growth we need. I think that's a pretty good reason to why membership in the EU is beneficial.

The EU hasn't backed the move to enforce the metric system since 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6637587.stm
So why are you getting wound up over it now?

As for discrimination, we can deal with it ourselves. But the EU keeps all Member States in check. It will be very difficult for a Member State to pass laws that purposefully discriminate people without having the EU step in due to a breaking of EU law. It enables PMs and other Heads of States to be held accountable.

[Darkness]

look I don't even agree with our current way of government, I sit so far right you can't even see me If you sat next to Mr Cameron. I going to sit the rest of this out. I can't argue against your points without disrespecting your opinion.
However I can agree to differ, and I admit that I didn't know about the metric thing not being enforced and I concede the point to you.

[thepieman]

No, we do not need others, we do not need metric.
We must cooperate with our neighbors of course, but allow them to control us? Let them change things that have nothing to do with them? No. The Non EU thing is the only thing that the BNP have going for them.

If you have a problem in the UK about the EU, support UKIP. They wan't to leave the EU, but they don't share the fascist, racist views of the BNP.

[Sapphire]

Darkness, you are entitled to your views even if they are harmful to society.
It's a pity that people wouldn't benefit from the same freedoms if the party you support were in power.If you have a problem in the UK about the EU, support UKIP. They wan't to leave the EU, but they don't share the fascist, racist views of the BNP.
But he is a facist...lol

[Darkness]

Darkness, you are entitled to your views even if they are harmful to society.
It's a pity that people wouldn't benefit from the same freedoms if the party you support were in power.
But he is a facist...lol

I'm not I'm merely agreeing with some of the BNP's polices. In my opinion all Commonwealth citizens should be given British citizen ship on birth.

I'm a Zealot there is some difference. I just think we should be less constionial and more sovereignty orientated I want the constinanial monarchy we have now, I just want it put together differently with more emphasis on the ruler not the state. I want it to be similar to Henry IIIV's council but bigger and elected by the people.

[Sapphire]

I'm not I'm merely agreeing with some of the BNP's polices. In my opinion all Commonwealth citizens should be given British citizen ship on birth.

I'm a Zealot there is some difference. I just think we should be less constionial and more sovereignty orientated I want the constinanial monarchy we have now, I just want it put together differently with more emphasis on the ruler not the state. I want it to be similar to Henry IIIV's council but bigger and elected by the people.
You may identify yourself as a Zealot, but I am not entirely wrong in identifying you as a facist.
fascist (an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views)

-- http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=fascistWe aren't largely constitutional anyway - half of our laws are common laws and therefore are not codified.

Either way, as you've suggested let's just leave it with us agreeing to differ :)

[derkderpderp]

Dude,im a Muslim,i was in Birmingham City Centr on the 8th when the BNP marched.
They were attacking my rights,they were saying shit like all these pakistanis and polish people are taking their jobs etc.
Well ive got a retort to any BNfuckingP member who believes that we are taking 'their' jobs.

If we are taking 'their' jobs why dont they get off their lazy racist butts and set about getting their jobs back?
The BNP have a reputation for being violent,so tell me mr BNP supporter-if you were an employer would you employ a violent person or a person who isnt violent,both are equally good at their jobs.

Tell me.

Im curious.

You know,one of the biggest reasons why there is an increase of BNP members is because we are in a recession,and seeing as asians heavily populate the UK we are being used as a scapegoat.

Hmm for some reason im reminded of Nazi Germany.

Dude,the BNP will only get hate and violence in return for their masochistic desire to rid the UK of non 'pure British people'

[Sapphire]

Dude,im a Muslim,i was in Birmingham City Centr on the 8th when the BNP marched.
They were attacking my rights,they were saying shit like all these pakistanis and polish people are taking their jobs etc.
Well ive got a retort to any BNfuckingP member who believes that we are taking 'their' jobs.

If we are taking 'their' jobs why dont they get off their lazy racist butts and set about getting their jobs back?
The BNP have a reputation for being violent,so tell me mr BNP supporter-if you were an employer would you employ a violent person or a person who isnt violent,both are equally good at their jobs.

Tell me.

Im curious.

You know,one of the biggest reasons why there is an increase of BNP members is because we are in a recession,and seeing as asians heavily populate the UK we are being used as a scapegoat.

Hmm for some reason im reminded of Nazi Germany.

Dude,the BNP will only get hate and violence in return for their masochistic desire to rid the UK of non 'pure British people'
Quoted for fucking truth!

[Darkness]

Mr munkyduck, anyone else.
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE BNP!
And now thats cleared up :yawn: I am going to bed in half an hour or so.
Goodnight gentlemen.

[Sapphire]

Mr munkyduck, anyone else.
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE BNP!
And now thats cleared up :yawn: I am going to bed in half an hour or so.
Goodnight gentlemen.
I think you'll find he was referring to danzama who does support the BNP...

[Darkness]

Oh sorry :whoops:

[derkderpderp]

Darkness i did not mean you,i apologise if it seemed that way.
I just got angry about something that pisses me off.
Sorry.
Danzama,what i wrote however,does apply to you.

[danzama]

dude, governments like the bnp and, if you must draw comparisons, nazi germany have proven to havve the potential to help their coundtry in yimes of need.

germany was recovering from ww1, we are trying (and failing mr. brown) get out of global resession.

although you all seem to disagree with my views, wich is fine everyone gets a vote, you have to admit how i have a point.

ALTHOUGH I AM NOT ENTIRLY ENYTRUSTING TO YHE BNP, i needed to seem human, I [email protected] AGREE WITH ALL OF THE [email protected] VIEWS

[peaceloverugby]

although you all seem to disagree with my views, wich is fine everyone gets a vote, you have to admit how i have a point.


You do not have a point. Nazi Germany killed millions of people for no reason whatsoever. The way Nazi Germany got out of financially hard times (which the rest of the world was enduring also) was by starting a war that cost millions of innocent lives and trillions of dollars.

[danzama]

you have to remember EVERYONE HAS A SAY

[sebbie]

i support the bnp.

how many immigrents are in the uk?
they take our jobs, our homes and our country.
don't get me wrong i'm not a racist, but stay in your country and we'll stay in ours

There is estimated to be 1.2million immigrants in the UK from Europe alone by 2010.

Yes immigrants do come here and work, and they may cause some job displacement, however that is not them taking jobs, it is because on average immigrants are willing to work for less. Now suppose you own any business, you have the choice of hiring one out of two people. Both same skills, just one is demanding more money, who you going to hire ?

To say "They take our homes" - Do they really ? Here was me thinking that in the UK you have to buy a house off the market or rent it. If you are going to refer to welfare housing you need to consider, for people to move into it, they have to be registered citizens.

The fact is, the UK needs immigrant labour, we are expected to have a shortage of skilled workers due to the "baby boom" in the 1970's . Also consider that immigrants who work here pay taxes which fund government spending etc.

Also last time I checked, people are not staying in the UK, the emigration rate is marginally increasing.

Also what makes this "our country" and our country alone ?

Edit: Now back on topic..

The UK has laws that all protesters must follow, if people are breaking them, then they deserve to be arrested. The idea that we have freedom of speech, we all have a say. If BNP wish to protest they can do, if people wish to counter protest then they should both follow the same rules.

[Darkness]

Also what makes this "our country" and our country alone ?

Some of us have a legacy of giving our blood for the protection and maintenance of this country's sovereignty. I agree with you that If they can pass the test and are prepared to support our Queen then they should be allowed in and accepted as equals. But we don't want to lose our national Identity that's what all this is about.

[Sapphire]

To be perfectly honest with you our national identity is under more threat from globalisation than anything else.You do not have a point. Nazi Germany killed millions of people for no reason whatsoever. The way Nazi Germany got out of financially hard times (which the rest of the world was enduring also) was by starting a war that cost millions of innocent lives and trillions of dollars.
The war started after Germany had been made strong again.
Hitler had driven down the rate of unemployment, had increased the strength of the currency, trained people to join the armed forces and so on before he started invading other countries.
How else would a country be able to fight a war on two fronts for 5 years? Lol

[danzama]

i'm going t drop out of this witch hunt of a thread, i'm out