Gay Marriage (Merged)

[Whisper]

Marriage was around long before christianity. Christians have no right of claimings it's theirs.

Plus marriage isnt religious, its a way to declare your love for someone. So are gay people not allowed to love each other? :roll:

EXACLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[advent_child]

i dont really give a damn who marries who, but i think psycologically a gay couple having a kid would screw up the kid sooooooo bad
How would it screw him up?


come on u know most kids discriminate against gays! they call em fags and hate on them, now think about that person having two mommies.

[advent_child]

Marriage was around long before christianity. Christians have no right of claimings it's theirs.

Plus marriage isnt religious, its a way to declare your love for someone. So are gay people not allowed to love each other? :roll:


i never said gay ppl are not allowed to love eachother. all im sayin is in some parts of this country gay marriage doesnt work. (texas, mississippi, louisiana, tennessee) hell tennessee tried to pass a law banning gays for living there.

[maximan]

i dont really give a damn who marries who, but i think psycologically a gay couple having a kid would screw up the kid sooooooo bad
How would it screw him up?


come on u know most kids discriminate against gays! they call em fags and hate on them, now think about that person having two mommies.

Kids who were brought up by gays wouldnt be discriminatory against gays! They love their parents and their parents are gay! And no most kids dont discriminiate, racist fucktards discriminate. The only way we can inform people of what gay people are really like is to allow them more rights

[maximan]

I'm gay and I am just like any normal kid.

My point exactly. Thanks for the help Thomas :D

[maximan]

Good points. Its just another decision (or fate, will we ever know?) in your life. Might as well discriminate against people because they prefer soup at resturants instead of salad. :roll:

[Jono]

i wouldnt want children that would be unfair to the kid.

Not really. Think about it. What if you were straight with a wife, and the child was gay, and hated the thought of a man and woman together? Is that unfair on the child?

[maximan]

Its just another decision (or fate, will we ever know?) in your life.
I did not choose to be gay.

Thats why I added the or fate. I don't think you are born gay, but its just a direction you can develop in.

[maximan]

I dont know...sorry, I retract my statement :oops:

[advent_child]

well no the kid wouldnt discriminate against his parents, but he would tell other kids, and they would make fun of him. thats really where the damage would be done.

[maximan]

Thats because other kids are being brought up by their parents to view gay as wrong. That's not the kids problem. There's no way to prevent a kid from getting picked on at one time or another, and any parent who teaches their kids to discriminiate isnt a good one.

[Anonymous]

I have no problem with gay, but I do not think we need gay marraiges. Why? Well, when you are married you get discounts with taxes because they are expected to bring up a family and bring new children into the world. Last I checked, gay's cannot do that. Well, they can, but not naturally.

So, my conclusion, gay marriage would be fine, just do not give them the tax discount. I mean why do gay's really need to be considered married? Do they really need that relief? I don't know, just my opinion. I know I'm going to get flammed but whatever.

-Ekia

[maximan]

The point of marriage isnt to have kids. It's to declare your love by making a commitment. And last I checked, gay people are perfectly able to do so.

[Anonymous]

The point of marriage isnt to have kids. It's to declare your love by making a commitment. And last I checked, gay people are perfectly able to do so.

I never said they didn't. So then, let's make marriage legal, but do not give them the same tax benefits because they are not expected to raise a family.

-Ekia

[TheWizard]

They deserve the same right that other people enjoy.

[maximan]

The point of marriage isnt to have kids. It's to declare your love by making a commitment. And last I checked, gay people are perfectly able to do so.

I never said they didn't. So then, let's make marriage legal, but do not give them the same tax benefits because they are not expected to raise a family.

-Ekia

Once again, people arent given those tax benefits only of they raise a family. And noones expected to raise a family unless you're catholic. So what you're saying is straight couples who have no kids should get more benefits than gay couples who dont have kids? Thats unfair :roll:

[Anonymous]

You make a valid point that not all straight married couples raise a family and they are not really expected to. However, gay couples cannot create a child (naturally). Hence, they should have no need for that tax cut, correct? Nor does straight couples that do not raise children, but if they chose to, they might need that tax cut. Now, I leave you with this question, if gay's want to get married in order to be considered "married," would they still feel obligated if there was no tax cut?

-Ekia

[somedudeyoudontknow]

Probably, but that's not the point. What if a lesbian woman has a child with a man, but the man dies and the woman would like to raise her own child with a female partner! I think she should get the tax cut. Nothing's cut and dry here. And yes lesbian women do have sex with men sometimes only to have children, so shut the fuck up about that.

[Anonymous]

shut the fuck up about that.

I will join a mature debate, but if you cannot control yourself and act so immature, I'm not going to bother to voice my opinion.

-Ekia

[somedudeyoudontknow]

A mature debate . . .OK, I'm sorry I used that language, but this is a really important subject to me. Please respond if you feel you have anything that can break the logic of my statement.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for apologizing. I really do not like to debate with people who cannot act mature about it, it defy's the point of a debate. Now, I cannot "break your logic" because that is your logic. Just like you cannot break my logic. But I can tell you what I think.

Putting tax benefits aside,

First of all, I think marriage is a state of mind and a feeling. If you are with someone long enough to know you cannot live without them, you are married. If you absolutly need it written on paper, as if paper has more meaning to you than true feelings, you do not really feel married. I'm not saying that just because you are married (in paper) you do not feel married. I am asking why do gays have to feel that reassurance of marriage? Can't they just say they are married even if they are not considered such by the government? Why does it matter if the government knows? I know that I can feel married without reassurance from the government or a piece of paper. My Great Aunt is not married, but lives with the man she loves and has for many years. She does not need the reassurance of a piece of paper to know that she loves him and he loves her.

So, I leave you with a question, why do gays need that reasurrance and why do they push it so much?

-Ekia

[maximan]

Thank you for apologizing. I really do not like to debate with people who cannot act mature about it, it defy's the point of a debate. Now, I cannot "break your logic" because that is your logic. Just like you cannot break my logic. But I can tell you what I think.

Putting tax benefits aside,

First of all, I think marriage is a state of mind and a feeling. If you are with someone long enough to know you cannot live without them, you are married. If you absolutly need it written on paper, as if paper has more meaning to you than true feelings, you do not really feel married. I'm not saying that just because you are married (in paper) you do not feel married. I am asking why do gays have to feel that reassurance of marriage? Can't they just say they are married even if they are not considered such by the government? Why does it matter if the government knows? I know that I can feel married without reassurance from the government or a piece of paper. My Great Aunt is not married, but lives with the man she loves and has for many years. She does not need the reassurance of a piece of paper to know that she loves him and he loves her.

So, I leave you with a question, why do gays need that reasurrance and why do they push it so much?

-Ekia

Oh for god sakes! You're saying here whys it so important that the government recognizes the marraige...so why dont we just scrap marraige all together! Why do ANY couples need the reassurance? And gay and lesbian couples can still adopt a child or get a donor to help them have a child so there's still the possibility they'll have a kid! So yes, they need the tax benefits. Plus, gays want it to be recognized so they can be EQUAL CITIZENS! Either everyone gets the benefits, or noone does. End of story.. I'ts all about EQUALITY.

[1337 Man]

It's all about EQUALITY...wait, gays already have equality! They have the same marriage rights as heterosexuals - they're legally allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex.

So, you're not asking for equality, you're asking for gays to have more rights than heterosexuals.

[maximan]

What?
That's the worst argument ever. I could say "well heterosexuals dont have the right to join gay alliances or go to gay bars!", but that would be a retarded and pointless arguement.

We're asking for someone to be able to marry someone they LOVE. So not only gays, but transsexuals should be able to marry as well, if its love they're confessing.

Once again, that was a stupid arguement :roll: :|

[1337 Man]

What?
That's the worst argument ever. I could say "well heterosexuals dont have the right to join gay alliances or go to gay bars!", but that would be a retarded and pointless arguement.

We're asking for someone to be able to marry someone they LOVE. So not only gays, but transsexuals should be able to marry as well, if its love they're confessing.

Once again, that was a stupid arguement :roll: :|

I know it's a shitty argument.

My point is that using EQUALITY as your argument won't work.

[maximan]

What?
That's the worst argument ever. I could say "well heterosexuals dont have the right to join gay alliances or go to gay bars!", but that would be a retarded and pointless arguement.

We're asking for someone to be able to marry someone they LOVE. So not only gays, but transsexuals should be able to marry as well, if its love they're confessing.

Once again, that was a stupid arguement :roll: :|

I know it's a shitty argument.

My point is that using EQUALITY as your argument won't work.

YES IT WILL! They're both getting the right to marry the person they love!

[///James///]

What?
That's the worst argument ever. I could say "well heterosexuals dont have the right to join gay alliances or go to gay bars!", but that would be a retarded and pointless arguement.

We're asking for someone to be able to marry someone they LOVE. So not only gays, but transsexuals should be able to marry as well, if its love they're confessing.

Once again, that was a stupid arguement :roll: :|

I know it's a shitty argument.

My point is that using EQUALITY as your argument won't work.

YES IT WILL! They're both getting the right to marry the person they love!

i agree with you!

all people are equal no matter of their sexual orintation, race, religion, abilities/disabilities and all that jazz! so it is a thing about equality

in fact in the UDHR (United Nations Declaration of Human Rights)
Article 16: Everyone has the right to marry

of course a declaration is a serious statement but isnt legally binding, but i do believe that refuseal to gay marriages is a breach of our human rights

[1337 Man]

What?
That's the worst argument ever. I could say "well heterosexuals dont have the right to join gay alliances or go to gay bars!", but that would be a retarded and pointless arguement.

We're asking for someone to be able to marry someone they LOVE. So not only gays, but transsexuals should be able to marry as well, if its love they're confessing.

Once again, that was a stupid arguement :roll: :|

I know it's a shitty argument.

My point is that using EQUALITY as your argument won't work.

YES IT WILL! They're both getting the right to marry the person they love!

i agree with you!

all people are equal no matter of their sexual orintation, race, religion, abilities/disabilities and all that jazz! so it is a thing about equality

in fact in the UDHR (United Nations Declaration of Human Rights)
Article 16: Everyone has the right to marry

of course a declaration is a serious statement but isnt legally binding, but i do believe that refuseal to gay marriages is a breach of our human rights

And...gay people still have the right to marry! They have the exact same right as straight people: To marry people of the opposite sex!

[///James///]

And...gay people still have the right to marry! They have the exact same right as straight people: To marry people of the opposite sex!

you are really fucking up this debate.
the discussion here is, gay people who want to marry the person of the same sexto whom they are in love with, what you are doing is twisting this
you are saying that they have to right to marry, but not to somone of the same sex

to be honest, this is totally a stupid that you are making that may result in some distubances. if you continue ill either edit or delete posts, but not close this topic, you have been warned

[1337 Man]

And...gay people still have the right to marry! They have the exact same right as straight people: To marry people of the opposite sex!

you are really fucking up this debate.
the discussion here is, gay people who want to marry the person of the same sexto whom they are in love with, what you are doing is twisting this
you are saying that they have to right to marry, but not to somone of the same sex

to be honest, this is totally a stupid that you are making that may result in some distubances. if you continue ill either edit or delete posts, but not close this topic, you have been warned

You don't get my point.

I'm all for gay marriage, let them do whatever they want, as long as they don't do it to me.

My point is, they shouldn't use "EQUALITY" as their argument, because they'll have MORE rights than a heterosexual if gay marriage is allowed.

[maximan]

Who says heterosexuals wouldn't then ahve the right to marry homosexually?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

james says: "in fact in the UDHR (United Nations Declaration of Human Rights)..." Why would you honestly post a fake acronym if you were going to type out its full meaning anyways?

[maximan]

How is it fake? I googled it, and yes, it exists.

[1337 Man]

Who says heterosexuals wouldn't then ahve the right to marry homosexually?

Several heterosexuals have blatantly stated they do not want that right.

[///James///]

How is it fake? I googled it, and yes, it exists.

actually i sort of made a mistake, it is actually the UNIVERSAL Decleration Of Human Rights! I was studying for my Civic, Socil and Politicol Education Test last night!

[maximan]

Who says heterosexuals wouldn't then ahve the right to marry homosexually?

Several heterosexuals have blatantly stated they do not want that right.

Well I'm sure gay people dont want the right to marry heterosexually. They don't care about that. You have one piece of crap of an argument going, you know.



actually i sort of made a mistake, it is actually the UNIVERSAL Decleration Of Human Rights! I was studying for my Civic, Socil and Politicol Education Test last night!

Actually, that thing is run by the UN I believe :D

[///James///]

yes it is, but the offical name is the Universal..... not the UN!! JUST SOME ADDED INFO!!

[mrbean]

I don't understand why it's a bad thing. Maybe because I'm ignorant, but honestly, If I got married to a guy or girl, it wouldn't effect any of you.

[maximan]

I don't understand why it's a bad thing. Maybe because I'm ignorant, but honestly, If I got married to a guy or girl, it wouldn't effect any of you.

Bingo. It's not saying everyone has to go out and get married to a gay person, and it doesnt effect anyone! If they made it legal without announcing it, NOONE WOULD NOTICE!

[Shaolin]

Who says heterosexuals wouldn't then ahve the right to marry homosexually?

Several heterosexuals have blatantly stated they do not want that right.

What does that prove....

I know what it proves, that you are naive!

If gay people are given the right to marry the same sex it is not giving them a right above heterosexuals. Heterosexuals still have the option to marry homosexually as was originally stated by maximan.

That would be giving a right to both sexual orientations, it is not unfair in anway.

You seem to be making a habit of reversing the topic, that's a very primitive strategy, perhaps if you backed it up with good evidence when you do infact reverse the claim then your argument might not be more valid.

There is no reason why homosexuals should not have the equal right of marrying a partner they love as heterosexuals do everyday. Equality is a good argument. Adding a new right doesn't make it unequal, or one sided, it just inputs a new rule which should have always been there in the first place.

Religion is the cause of much of societys down fall as it is today but it also is the cause of many good things. However religion on state policy and law is silly, as the truth is 100% of the population do not believe in Christianity, if they did, then using christian driven morals in law and state would be justified, however that is not the case.

Yet that is what is happening all around the world. A prime example is G W Bush.

[boognish]

i heard this somewhere: i think that gays should be allowed to marry. that way they can be just as f***ing miserable as we are. im tired of those happy-go-lucky non-married gays. it should be a law that gays must get married" im not saying this is my veiw..just a funny one.

[mrbean]

That isn't that funny, this is a serius topic

[1337 Man]

New argument.

Keep in mind I don't really care about the issue, but arguing is fun, and I'm bored.

Homosexuality is a birth defect. Allowing gay marriage would be promoting said defect. Wouldn't it be better to find a cure?

[maximan]

New argument.

Keep in mind I don't really care about the issue, but arguing is fun, and I'm bored.

Homosexuality is a birth defect. Allowing gay marriage would be promoting said defect. Wouldn't it be better to find a cure?

Now you're just being stupid. Shut up.

[Chrono]

Who says heterosexuals wouldn't then ahve the right to marry homosexually?

Several heterosexuals have blatantly stated they do not want that right.

Well, why would any homosexuals want to marry heterosexually?

[mrbean]

Please tell me which verse(s) in the Bible put down homosexuality

[Anonymous]

I agree homos should be treated like everyone else.

[1337 Man]

Please tell me which verse(s) in the Bible put down homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version)
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22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
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Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
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9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:24-28 (New International Version)
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Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
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24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.


Pwned.

[__Michael__]

Ack, the bibles I've asked about haven't said anything. In fact, the catholic faith actually is okay with individuals being gay, they just feel marriage should only be between a woman and a man, which is stupid. But sooner or later they're going to okay it, like allowing women to be priests, and allowing priests to merry! :?

[TheWizard]

Is anyone bothered by the thread?

Is there any gay bashing going on?

[TheWizard]

Ok locked