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thedudeman
August 9th, 2009, 11:16 PM
love to me is strange, i think about it and you constantly hear people saying you need to find love, love is necessary, why is this? is it because people need a crutch? or is it just a strong human emotion so it must be done?

i personally don't want love, i have fallen in love before, and the thing is, most love does not last, you can see it in the people around you and in your miserable divorced parents, you can see it in the couple who gets married on a whim and then gets bored a year later, it clouds peoples judgements like a drug and has destroyed many peoples lives, yet somehow this temporary pleasure(yes long relationships do exist but arent to common) is somehow a good thing, this is my view on love, it will destroy you, it will tear you down and rip your life to threads in the end. it is beautiful to(while it lasts) but hey, so is lsd and pot,

i have seen to many people be destroyed by a bad relationship and some even commit suicide to believe that love is somehow 100% good thing that i would want for myself personally,

my bad relationship is what sent me down my year and a half of self destruction, no i don't blame it completely but i do know it is what made me weak and decide to use drugs to get over, now i am a heart broken, sullen, confused, and somewhat psychotic person with severe anxiety issues, i don't see myself as necessarily being stable enough to ever hold a relationship from what drugs have done to my mind, and the thing that started me on the path, was love, so, i may be biased, but what do you think? and why is love so, "amazing"?

Sage
August 10th, 2009, 12:12 AM
The only people cynical about love are those who have been screwed over by it. I think you're jumping the gun in implying that it's a bad thing we should all avoid. I loved my first girlfriend for about a year, and then we didn't feel to great about eachother, so we just sorta shrugged and went back to being friends. Clearly you're just blatantly disregarding all the happy couples who've ever gotten together and stayed together happily for the rest of their days. Is that common? No, of course not. But love is one of the finest experiences you can have in life, and to miss out on it is truly a sad thing.

What good are your highs in life if you've never been through any lows?

INFERNO
August 10th, 2009, 01:05 AM
love to me is strange, i think about it and you constantly hear people saying you need to find love, love is necessary, why is this? is it because people need a crutch? or is it just a strong human emotion so it must be done?

Because humans are social animals, we strive to be together as much as possible and love is something that can hold people together easier.


i personally don't want love, i have fallen in love before, and the thing is, most love does not last, you can see it in the people around you and in your miserable divorced parents, you can see it in the couple who gets married on a whim and then gets bored a year later, it clouds peoples judgements like a drug and has destroyed many peoples lives, yet somehow this temporary pleasure(yes long relationships do exist but arent to common) is somehow a good thing, this is my view on love, it will destroy you, it will tear you down and rip your life to threads in the end. it is beautiful to(while it lasts) but hey, so is lsd and pot

You're only pointing out all the bad possible results of love while ignoring all the good ones. You mentioned how love will usually destroy you. Well, I ask you this, what do other feelings lead to? Eventually they may lead to some sort of destruction.

However, the destruction is mediated by you, by how long you're willing to let it last. If you don't fight against it enough then it will go on longer.


i have seen to many people be destroyed by a bad relationship and some even commit suicide to believe that love is somehow 100% good thing that i would want for myself personally

People can be destroyed by numerous things. But, consider this, what has allowed humanity to survive as long as it has? What has allowed other animals capable of emotion survive? It's not anger, it's not sadness. It's love, love for one another. If a mother gave birth to a baby, why does she usually nurture it and care for it? It's not because she wants to toss it out the window, it's because she loves it.

Love is what allows us and has allowed us to survive for as long as we have. Love involves compassion, remorse, etc... . Essentially, love involves all those things that prevent us from tearing each other apart.


my bad relationship is what sent me down my year and a half of self destruction, no i don't blame it completely but i do know it is what made me weak and decide to use drugs to get over, now i am a heart broken, sullen, confused, and somewhat psychotic person with severe anxiety issues, i don't see myself as necessarily being stable enough to ever hold a relationship from what drugs have done to my mind, and the thing that started me on the path, was love, so, i may be biased, but what do you think? and why is love so, "amazing"?

Yes, this can happen but tell me this, what allowed you to survive as long as you did? What allowed your parents or teachers or friends or whoever to help you out? What allowed you to do the same to them? Love, compassion, affection, etc... .

Without love do you really think we'd have gotten where we are today?

thedudeman
August 10th, 2009, 01:53 AM
i can see your argument, yes it has deffinately made what is good in this world

i was talking on more of a personal level though, not in an overall good or bad thing

i most likely feel this way because of my twisted attitude towards love and relationships, although seeing others being destroyed by love is a bit disatisfying, i just don't agree that it is something that somebody necessarily needs, you may be a social animal but not all humans are, and those who are should go for love by all means, but i was more talking about those who are shunned for enjoying being alone, and are pushed this attitude that love is necessary, i was also talking more on the lines of relationship wise, bf gf, bf bf, gf gf, that kind of stuff not love for a child

thedudeman
August 10th, 2009, 01:56 AM
But love is one of the finest experiences you can have in life

actually i liked weed more then love, the overwhelming feeling of happiness wasnt enough to cover up the crap and jelousy mixed in with it, to unstable for me

Sage
August 10th, 2009, 09:41 AM
I think you're misidentifying love as purely relationship-based, when in reality love can come from anyone, be it friends who care about you and family who want to know how you're doing, etc. You don't need to be in a relationship in life, but you do need love.

Sapphire
August 10th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Love comes in many forms so simply picking out relationships between romantic partners in this debate is being very selective.

Having someone special who cares about you, would miss you if you weren't there, knows your greatest faults and loves you despite them is such a wonderful thing to have.
Love and trust make relationships last, not what causes them to break down. A lack of love, trust, honesty and patience are what ends relationships.
So think about that a minute.
It is understandable that you are very reluctant to enter a relationship after being burned by the last. But you shouldn't let one bad relationship experience deprive you of all the good ones that are still out there waiting for you.

There is a quote that talks about love that I want to leave you with:
Love is patient; love is kind
and envies no one.
Love is never boastful, nor conceited, nor rude;
never selfish, not quick to take offense.
There is nothing love cannot face;
there is no limit to its faith,
its hope, and endurance.

SlightlySane
August 10th, 2009, 09:42 PM
Love is one of the most powerful feelings we can have. It gives us such a strong sense of happyness that when it is broken we are destroyed emotionally. Love can be such a great thing and is programmed into us as we are human. There isn't much you can do to avoid, but what makes it hard is that it is amazingly difficult to understand and control. I think that love may not be for everyone as certain people seem to be better of on their own. For the rest of us, I think there is someone out there for us all we just have to find them.

The biggest problem with love is when you think you are feeling it and it's simply a crush that fades over time.

Love is difficult, you can't explain it any simpler than that.

JJSSHH
August 12th, 2009, 01:20 PM
well said

Camazotz
August 12th, 2009, 01:42 PM
While a relationship may and probably will end in sadness, it does not prove all love is bad. I agree with your first statement about the thought that you must love someone. People are over-dramatic when it comes to emotions, so when two people are dating most people would say, "Aww, how sweet," when in reality, it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

However, I think love is important in a healthy lifestyle. Without my parents' love, I would be miserable and depressed. I know they've sacrificed a lot for me growing up, which is why I love them back.