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bizarre
August 8th, 2009, 04:52 AM
you know i give up on this vegan thing it sucks i will eat meat if i want!!!!
can someone like delete this tread

Sage
August 8th, 2009, 05:21 AM
1. Helping Animals Also Helps the Global Poor While there is ample and justified moral indignation about the diversion of 100 million tons of grain for biofuels, more than seven times as much (760 million tons) is fed to farmed animals so that people can eat meat. Is the diversion of crops to our cars a moral issue? Yes, but it's about one-eighth the issue that meat-eating is. Care about global poverty? Try vegetarianism.

Maybe I'm just tired but this comes off as a nonsensical jumble to me. Can you explain that in your own words?

2. Eating Meat Supports Cruelty to Animals The green pastures and idyllic barnyard scenes of years past are now distant memories. On today's factory farms, animals are crammed by the thousands into filthy windowless sheds, wire cages, gestation crates, and other confinement systems. These animals will never raise families, root in the soil, build nests, or do anything else that is natural and important to them. They won't even get to feel the warmth of the sun on their backs or breathe fresh air until the day they are loaded onto trucks bound for slaughter.

It's a sad reality and I don't support it either, but the farms of yesterday are incapable of fueling the demands of people.

3. Eating Meat Is Bad for the Environment A recent United Nations report entitled Livestock's Long Shadow concludes that eating meat is "one of the ... most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." In just one example, eating meat causes almost 40 percent more greenhouse-gas emissions than all the cars, trucks, and planes in the world combined. The report concludes that the meat industry "should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."

Where the fuck is the connection in that? That doesn't even make sense.

4. Avoid Bird Flu The World Health Organization says that if the avian flu virus mutates, it could be caught simply by eating undercooked chicken flesh or eggs, eating food prepared on the same cutting board as infected meat or eggs, or even touching eggshells contaminated with the disease. Other problems with factory farming -- from foot-and-mouth to SARS -- can be avoided with a general shift to a vegetarian diet.

Old news.

5. If You Wouldn't Eat a Dog, You Shouldn't Eat a Chicken Several recent studies have shown that chickens are bright animals who are able to solve complex problems, demonstrate self-control, and worry about the future. Chickens are smarter than cats and dogs and even do some things that have not yet been seen in mammals other than primates. Dr. Chris Evans, who studies animal behavior and communication at Macquarie University in Australia, says, "As a trick at conferences, I sometimes list these attributes, without mentioning chickens and people think I'm talking about monkeys."

Plenty of intelligent animals in the wilderness eat other intelligent animals, we are no exception. Besides- chickens are tasty.

6. Heart Disease: Our Number One Killer Healthy vegetarian diets support a lifetime of good health and provide protection against numerous diseases, including the United States' three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer, and strokes. Drs. Dean Ornish and Caldwell Esselstyn -- two doctors with 100 percent success in preventing and reversing heart disease -- have used a vegan diet to accomplish it, as chronicled most recently in Dr. Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, which documents his 100 percent success rate for unclogging people's arteries and reversing heart disease.

If there was really a 100% success rate, it would be public knowledge right now.

7. Cancer: Our Number Two Killer Dr. T. Colin Campbell is one of the world's foremost epidemiological scientists and the director of what The New York Times called "the most comprehensive large study ever undertaken of the relationship between diet and the risk of developing disease." Dr. Campbell's best-selling book, The China Study, is a must-read for anyone who is concerned about cancer. To summarize it, Dr. Campbell states, "No chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein."

Eating meat won't give you cancer.

8. Fitting Into That Itty-Bitty Bikini Vegetarianism is also the ultimate weight-loss diet, since vegetarians are one-third as likely to be obese as meat-eaters are, and vegans are about one-tenth as likely to be obese. Of course, there are overweight vegans, just as there are skinny meat-eaters. But on average, vegans are 10 to 20 percent lighter than meat-eaters. A vegetarian diet is the only diet that has passed peer review and taken weight off and kept it off.

That's fair, I'll give you that. There are plenty of other effective ways to lose weight however- Whatever happened to simply cutting out junk food from one's diet and excercising?

9. Global Peace Leo Tolstoy claimed that "vegetarianism is the taproot of humanitarianism." His point? For people who wish to sow the seeds of peace, we should be eating as peaceful a diet as possible. Eating meat supports killing animals, for no reason other than humans' acquired taste for animals' flesh. Great humanitarians from Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi to Thich Nhat Hanh have argued that a vegetarian diet is the only diet for people who want to make the world a kinder place.

That's an appeal to authority, I'm not going to do something simply because Gandhi did it.

10. The Joy of Veggies As the growing range of vegetarian cookbooks and restaurants shows, vegetarian foods rock. People report that when they adopt a vegetarian diet, their range of foods explodes from a center-of-the-plate meat item to a range of grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables that they didn't even know existed. Sir Paul McCartney sums it all up, "If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat. That's the single most important thing you could do. It's staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty." So are you ready to give it a try? Check out VegCooking.com for recipes and meal plans and to take the World Vegetarian Week 7-Day Pledge

Ooh, if only it really were that easy. :l

Rutherford The Brave
August 8th, 2009, 08:09 AM
Yeah and No I will never go vegen. Because one of the reasons why we eat animals is to keep the population in check. Lets take Cod fish for a example. Now I know we've had to limit our fishing of them but what if we only did not fish them. THERE WOULD BE COD EVERY WHERE! I'm sorry but eating meat is something humans will always do, it keeps the world's numbers low and its basically survival of the fittest.

BuryYourFlame
August 8th, 2009, 08:51 AM
i would never go vegan/vegetarian...

for two main reasons...1) meat is so damn tasty and 2) the animals are getting killed anyway...

Buddy
August 10th, 2009, 01:12 AM
I hardly eat meat at all I have issues...

Cloud
August 10th, 2009, 01:18 AM
i couldnt survive as vegan/vegetarian
a)meats to tasty
b)without them dieing to be eaten the animals would overpopulate and i dont want to have to fight past cows everytime i go to the shops
c)if i dont eat the meat then the animal got killed for nothing and thats jsut mean
d)i cant be bothered checking everysingle food to check whether it may have meat in it or not

Zero Beat
August 10th, 2009, 05:43 AM
i love meat, chicken... anything, and i love veggies. I could go about... a day ? without meat... but i couldnt stay a veggie. AND PLUS! going vegan means no products like milk, this then stops me from EATING CHOCOLATE AND THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!

^Cloud^ Point b) HAHAHAHAHAH!!! LOLZ

Zazu
August 11th, 2009, 04:36 PM
I don't agree with most of the point the OP raised if I'm honest.

I'm quite happy eating meat and don't feel bad about it all so will most probably continue. It's really tasty imho :)

RaisingSand
August 14th, 2009, 03:15 AM
Deny my body natural nutrients that we've been consuming for centuries that lead us to evolve to this superior state? Why the fuck not.

Go get yourself a plate of steak and eggs and stop whinging.

Sage
August 14th, 2009, 07:37 AM
Deny my body natural nutrients that we've been consuming for centuries that lead us to evolve to this superior state? Why the fuck not.

Go get yourself a plate of steak and eggs and stop whinging.

NERD INTERLUDE: Evolution has nothing to do with evolving into something superior, it has to do with evolving to better fit one's environment.

RaisingSand
August 14th, 2009, 06:20 PM
NERD INTERLUDE: Evolution has nothing to do with evolving into something superior, it has to do with evolving to better fit one's environment.

We're superior to cockroaches. And they've been around longer than us.

(Btw, I know. I'm just being a smart-arse here.)

Viral Death
August 14th, 2009, 09:17 PM
When Vegan day comes I am going to make a pound hamburger and eat it!

scuba steve
August 14th, 2009, 09:24 PM
I THINK NOT. up with fried dead animals!!!!

Viral Death
August 14th, 2009, 09:27 PM
Yeah GO MEAT infact that is what I ate for lunch breakfeast and dinner
Its called bacon BBQ chicken and handburgers! lol

The Batman
August 14th, 2009, 09:29 PM
This is turning into spam keep your posts contructive and be nice.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagg
August 14th, 2009, 10:46 PM
Um, this doesnt have to do with being vegan but peta actually hurts animals as well... And animals are here to be eaten, lol. Circle of life buds. They'll breed and hey! More animals! =D

Bougainvillea
August 14th, 2009, 10:53 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't understand why if people are vegan and vegetarian, they can't accept people who aren't.
I hate vegetarians who say "Ew! Stop eating meat! Go vegetarian!"

We accept you being a vegetarian. It's a life choice. One that people need to keep to themselves. Until the day comes that all the meat is infected and diseased, I'm going to eat my beautiful rare steak.

So don't advertise like this. It doesn't work.
You can't change human nature. It's the way it is, and the way it's most likely going to stay.

dredgegolgari
August 14th, 2009, 11:03 PM
i support your cause and everything but i just like meat too damn much

Demonic Angel
August 18th, 2009, 09:58 PM
I'll never stop eating meat if I have a choice. I don't care if anyone else is a vegetarian/vegan, I just get annoyed when they tell other people to do the same. It doesn't work. Humans have been eating meat for pretty much as long as we have existed, it's the food chain. I don't approve of animal cruelty, but I still love eating a nice cheeseburger.

Jenna.
August 19th, 2009, 01:18 PM
I will NEVER go vegan or vegetarian. Sure, I feel bad for the animals but not bad enough to stop eating them. They're so yummy. :] If you want to start preaching to me, go ahead but I'll just ignore you. :D

Grey fox
August 19th, 2009, 01:30 PM
My view - I strongly dislike factory reared meat, and will not eat "cheap" meat at all, but i've grown up on a farm and humans are naturally omnivores.

Also, my sister recently went veggie and has been really ill, (and is now om medicine to help bolster an iron and protein deficiency) and also these "meat alternatives" like Quorn are so stuffed full of artificial flavourings and additives, they are not only really bad for you but also a LOT worse for the planet!

Think about it, compare the energy gone into making a sheep fat on grass, which comes from the sun, or burning and using oil-based products to synthesise man-made chemicals to make a protein by-product taste like chicken?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out which is worse for the planet.

I honestly see it as hypocritical and self-defeating, and propose instead that people just avoid FACTORY or INTENSIVELY produced meat in favour of Organic meat, but slightly less of it then you would have had before.

And really, in all honestly, I cannot stand the people who don't eat beef or lamb beucase the animals are "cute and fluffy". Nobody seems to give a damn about fish or poultry, or even pigs!

Bougainvillea
August 22nd, 2009, 10:12 AM
Your sister is sick because she forgot the main rule to being a vegetarian.
TAKE SUPPLEMENTS DAILY!

tripolar
August 23rd, 2009, 07:27 PM
you know i give up on this vegan thing it sucks i will eat meat if i want!!!!

Too bad it did not work out well.