Impeach 'Em!

[BoyCrazy]

Bush has done nothing good for the USA!! Should we impeach him? I think so! What bout you?


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[Webbeardthepirate]

With such a fine a and reasoned argument I am totally convinced. Where did you get such incisive analysis, such cunning use of rhetorical technique. I am indeed stunned, stunned by the sheer depth of your argument. Breathtaking, truely breathtaking. I will not even attempt to take on such a powerful argument. "done nothing good"? truely inspired use of facts. Amazing. I am amazed.

[R_master]

you cant blame her, girls dont know jack about polictics :P lol yeah but care to explain why he should be impeached, besides jumping on the i hate bush bandwagon? im Canadian but kerry/Hillary(hahah) would definatly not be my choice, would rather vote libertarian :roll:

[kolte]

you cant blame her, girls dont know jack about polictics :P lol yeah but care to explain why he should be impeached, besides jumping on the i hate bush bandwagon? im Canadian but kerry/Hillary(hahah) would definatly not be my choice, would rather vote libertarian :roll:

how very sexist...you have been warned

there are some issues that should be questioned in the bush adminsitration. george bush is losing support and is making bad choices. should be be impeached? no. but he should get his shit together.

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It is a fine arguement and i have certain opinions on it. In reality he cannot be impeached because he hasnt done anything illegal yet. If he does something illegal then i think he should...but i do not like anything single thing he has done over the years of his presidency, especially now. He needs to get a reality check cause he has to realize every1 in the country hates him right now and he seems to keep making the same stupid mistakes

[kolte]

It is a fine arguement and i have certain opinions on it. In reality he cannot be impeached because he hasnt done anything illegal yet. If he does something illegal then i think he should...but i do not like anything single thing he has done over the years of his presidency, especially now. He needs to get a reality check cause he has to realize every1 in the country hates him right now and he seems to keep making the same stupid mistakes

when you say everyone, you mean 64 percent of the population. the other 36 percent still likes him. I don't support him, but I think he has done many good things. He did lower taxes, and he freed a nation under dictation, he helped make the middle east more democratic. He also, in my eyes, messed up with Iraq, faild to help katrina, put so much money and resourses into his military campaign that its severly hurt the rest of the governmnet, forcing us to import more, putting us in even more debt. his party and himself cut fundings for many government programs, that damaged the government yada yada. But I don't think impeachment is the road. Just vote democrat in the mid term's coming up, and get the democrat's majority. That will help I think

[R_master]

me, sexist? sorry if you couldnt detect the humour in my post :? just a light hearted joke :shock:

[kolte]

i detected humour....in a sexist, ill way.....if you get my drift.

[R_master]

no worries man, i understood after reading your sig :wink:. oh and its political humour considering women were never well respected in politics. not meaning i in fact am a sexist but w/e no use wasting anymore of this thread about me.

peace

[Webbeardthepirate]

Impeachment is a political event, not a criminal one. A president may be impeached like Clinton was, for breaking a law or just for being generally incompetant as they accuded Andrew Jackson. Removal from office is just as political and Clinton escaped that fate on an almost strait party line vote. it takes only a majority in the house to bring articals of impeechemnt, but it takes a super majority in the senate to remove the president from office.

Nancy Polosi (D) California, the Minority Leader has promissed that should they win a majority in the midterm elections this fall and she is elected Speaker of the House, they will bring Articals of Impeechement against Bush. You don't have to do any thing wrong, you just need the party in control to think they can get away with it without being punnished by the voters. Like the Republicans did, and were not punnished because their constituents realized that Clinton had indeed LIED UNDER OATH in order to deny a WOMAN HE SEXUALLY HARRASSED, her day in court. The facts are not in dispute. He was disbared from the Arkensas Bar, and the Federal Bar so he may never practice Law again in Arkensas or Federal Courts.. Though he recently asked to be reinstated, I believe the request was denied. Anyways, the republicans' voters realized that Clinton was a bad man who had done a very bad thing and that it was all right to Impeech him. The Democrats would like to play tit for tat.

The Democrats will however fail because Howard Dean has wasted all their money, and there is nothing left to put inot swinf districts that might go either republican or democrat. Bush will not be impeeched and that will be that. It's a stupid thing to call for, because it simply is not going to happen. The republicans will maintain their control through at least one more election and then it will be too late to impeech Bush. Take a deep breath, let it out slowly. Breath in, breath out. Relax the muscles in your face, your shoulder, your back. All the tight muscles are relaxing. Yelax your arms, unclench your analsphincter where you seem to be trying to make diamonds. Clensing breaths, and let the impeechment thing go. There, now doesn't that feel better?

[Gothic_Knight]

Bush has done something wrong...wiretapping...warentless...4th amendment.

Even his own party has been backing away from him as late. Scandals everywhere. The Republicans have been slammed again and again (the neocons, at least). Their "leaders" have started backing off their previous positions, and are getting further away from the administration. It's only a matter of time before the Republicans lose their majority...but I don't think it'll be in this election. That's still not stopping anyone from impeaching him. There are currently investigations into the warentless wiretaps (which he admitted to). He should get impeached...he violated the Constitution. If he doesn't, then we may as well throw out the Constitution, as that proves the President can be above the law.

Oh, and last I checked, Andrew Jackson did break the law (which was later proved unconstitutional). Clinton was impeached on some random technicality. And the Dems have money, but like the Republicans, few good candidates...

[Dfsg]

Oh, Bush broke the law? He is only intercepting phone calls made by suspected terrorists outside the nation. It's not illegal to intercept terrorist communications, as we are in a war against terrorists.

FDR intercepted Nazi messages being sent to people in the USA. Was he breaking the law, or trying to save lives?

The President has FULL constiutional right to make the wire taps. Dems are just trying to do whatever they can to not support the President and American People. They are against anything the President is for...

If Nancy "Strech" Pelosi gains majority status and is elected Speaker, we're in trouble. She's so messed up. She's just another "Whatever Bush is for, I'm against it."

As for Andrew Jackson, wasn't he only censured? Wasn't it Andrew Johnson who was impeached? Though, Andrew Jackson's refusal to follow the Supreme Court was troubling...

[kolte]

Oh, Bush broke the law? He is only intercepting phone calls made by suspected terrorists outside the nation. It's not illegal to intercept terrorist communications, as we are in a war against terrorists.

FDR intercepted Nazi messages being sent to people in the USA. Was he breaking the law, or trying to save lives?

The President has FULL constiutional right to make the wire taps. Dems are just trying to do whatever they can to not support the President and American People. They are against anything the President is for...

If Nancy "Strech" Pelosi gains majority status and is elected Speaker, we're in trouble. She's so messed up. She's just another "Whatever Bush is for, I'm against it."

As for Andrew Jackson, wasn't he only censured? Wasn't it Andrew Johnson who was impeached? Though, Andrew Jackson's refusal to follow the Supreme Court was troubling...

You know, you like to throw in little twists in your debate, I like that. Like how you said dems are just trying to do whatever they can to not support the president.....and then you added and the american people, as if they are only trying to satisfiy there own needs, not the needs of the people. BUt isnt the poeple controlling the government what makes the government better then anyone elses. People have to work hard, and gain the support of the people to be where they are. and the only reason they are there is to represent what the people want to say. Thats really the point of democrocy is it not. the people tell there reps and sen's what to say, and they try to do it. The president keeps the US safe and in good terms with the rest of the world and the Judicial system tells us what the laws the legeslation just made mean. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the problem's not with the exectutive branch, as much as it is in the legeslative branch. My family tends to vote democrat 90% of the time because I'm a lower mid. class family. If we were a wealthy family, we would vote republican. Its the tax's that really sway our vote, we don't want to be putting all of our money into the government, we have food and bills, we live pay cheak to pay cheak. I have seen myself, that under democratic rule, we have had more progress in the lower and mid class. and under republician rule, we have more programs with the upper class. What there needs to be is a balence. The Democrats need majority for a while, to help us, then the republicians need majority for a while to help the upper class. My family has been struggeling quite a bit lately. I would like to have the democrat's win the majority this coming mid term election, because I know that will help me. Most people come mid term are going to vote democrat, because most people are in the mid and lower class, and most people can feel the affect of not being properly represented in legeslation

[fdsgfg55465]

no because you say yes but what would you do if you were presedent?

[MikeyGamer]

Everybody is wrong, there isnt anything in politics even worth conversing about. There is no reason to be Anti- anything if you dont like what Bush does, then fine, thats just dandy, if you do, fine, but guess what, its a waste of breath and waste of thought. Why not think of a new invention or how to build time machines? The world is a shithole that is ran by slobs no matter who runs it, so why even bother? Welcome to Earth, take your ticket for death, wait in line, enter the unknown realm. I hope your time waiting was worth while, cause thinking about politics for even 1/900 of the time thinking about this worthless shit, is pointless, go make freinds, go out and see the world, but dont be ignorant, study what you need to to get you places, but shit like this is useless. The End.

[kolte]

Everybody is wrong, there isnt anything in politics even worth conversing about. There is no reason to be Anti- anything if you dont like what Bush does, then fine, thats just dandy, if you do, fine, but guess what, its a waste of breath and waste of thought. Why not think of a new invention or how to build time machines? The world is a shithole that is ran by slobs no matter who runs it, so why even bother? Welcome to Earth, take your ticket for death, wait in line, enter the unknown realm. I hope your time waiting was worth while, cause thinking about politics for even 1/900 of the time thinking about this worthless shit, is pointless, go make freinds, go out and see the world, but dont be ignorant, study what you need to to get you places, but shit like this is useless. The End.

Or perhaps you could invest some time into learning more about how government works, reolizing that you are the future and its up to you to make a difference. Right now, people are parents age and older are controlling the world, and when we get to that point, I hope we arent as ignorant as you sound in your post. Though you don't care about polotics, somebody has to, or we live in caves eating dogs and dieing at 42.

[MikeyGamer]

I know plenty about how the government works, i am just trying to say, dont invest all of your time in what bush has done wrong or right, that is pointless! Study History, i say actually study wars and conflicts, and government mishaps, and make sure they dont happen again, but ofcourse, no matter what... it always going to happen. I think labeling me ignorant just because from my own experiences i am trying to give some of your guys advice, i think that is a bit much. I spent 2 or 3 full years of my life, studying government and politics, and to be perfectly honest it was a total waste of time. Unless you are rich or powerful you arent going to get anywhere in that feild, and that is the TRUTH. This isnt the 1800's anymore, not just anyone from a humble backround can get into any sort of high office. Everything is corrupt, and it will just get worse and worse. No matter who is in office it will always be bad, and horrible, there will always be cover-ups, and scandals, whether we see them or not. If everyone hasnt realized it yet, no matter what we hear we are being fed propaganda, and lies, its true, The Newspaper, T.V., Magazines, even movies for god sake. Even first hand accounts aren't beleivable, there are no more respectable resources, besides yourself, and talking about Iraq and Bush doing wrong is completely pointless, because that topic is so clouded by both sides, it is just something we cant even get a straight story from. I dont think it is ignorant to think outside the box on hear and blatantly say both sides are wrong, and it is a waste of time to even think about it.

[advent_child]

Well no president has successfully been impeached, no matter how much trouble they caused. I don't believe there are enough votes in the House and Senate right now to even start an impeachment. Reguarding the Katrina deal, I'm very farmiliar with it and I know the only people that really are mad at him in reguard to it are the liberals. It was failure all around, from FEMA, which handed out two grand to anyone with a damaged shingle, to the Red Cross, which is not a government agency, who also just handed out money( in my area). The National Guard was very helpful by handing out MRE's and trying to maintain some law in the most damaged areas. I really don't blame Bush because it was a major cock-up all around. Blanco is in WAY over her head, and seems very limp in that she can't stand for an issue and hold her ground well. She dropped the "dollar a pack tobacco tax" completly without really fighting very much to pass it. She abandoned the issue of teacher payraises completly untill now, when we are gearing up for some elections...in two years. Louisiana politics involve complete and total corruption, so the legislature moves SLOW. I admit that Iraq was the BIGGEST mistake the president ever made, one because some people can not see that a statement based on faulty intellegence is not a lie, because MI6, the CIA, Russian intelligence and other scources all said Sadaam had WMD's. The intelligence was extremely faulty, in part because congress worked in the 1970's to invest most of the CIA's budget into technology based spy equipment, not human intelligence, so we are screwed when it comes to spying on an underdeveloped country. TWO because you can't go to war without wartime taxes. The German's failed to impose taxes in WWI, they just printed their own money. Inflation grew so much that a woman reported the theft of a laundry basket containing stacks and stacks of German currency. The thief dumped out the money and left with the basket. Now we have a huge deficit. It was 400 billion, then it went down, then Katrina hit, so it had to have climbed. To sum it up, Bush made mistakes, but you can't impeach a man for not being perfect.

[kolte]

And MG, "Everybody is wrong, there isn’t anything in politics even worth conversing about" << that is not a statement referring to conversation about bush being a waste of time, no you are implementing that politics are a waste of time. Try living without politics my friend, and see how well you fare, as we all know the people of Sudan are doing so wonderful without real government, as well as the people of Afghanistan! I mean, really, don't you want to be like them? Caves are soooo nice when you get past the spiders, toxic water, scarce food, hard dirt bed and dim light. So be my guest and live in a world without politics. And three years of under study on politics? Let us not forget you are a teenager. Civics and social studies don’t count. *pats head* Your fictitious world without politics seems so nice, I believe they call it Anarchy, the damnation of governmental influence, were the people roam free like they did so during the middle ages and beyond. I’m sorry, I like running water, commerce, and jurisdiction. That keeps the wicked criminals out of my life and happy go lucky, educated, intelligent folk by my side. You refuse to bare witness to the politics that keep your world afloat my dear boy. Your education, water, electricity, Wal-Mart, Mc Donald’s, Car company, phone company, basically every aspect of your easy modern day life, is fantastically entwined into politics. The Chamber Of Commerce, supplying crucial marketing needs to your local grocer and mall! A happy form of free market society run by a political section. Your fancy computer that you are happily and freely playing on was built by a company that is most likely a corporation, and therefore a rather...political/economic aspect of your very own life. The school you may or may not dread so unappreciatively, is most likely a public, state government funded building, solely founded to fill your little teenage mind with the information needed to fulfill your every dream. Helpful law after Helpful law passed seemingly throughout the year just to insure your businesses aren’t cheating you. A small pinch of your yearly income goes into building a library, a school, a women and children’s center, a federal hospital for dieing Sudanese children who are right now enjoying the festivities of a non political country. And on occasion the government will take some of the money you allowed them to have, and liberate a country bound under a religious dictatorship, to possibly allow these deprived people the chance to share the politics you so obviously despise. And when you say that only the rich can go into politics. Why take a look at Bill Clinton! He grew up middle class, he made a difference! Look at the Bush family! You know, they started out pretty poor and then became rich and then became president! How delightful! It just goes to show that will a little hard work and effort, anyone who’s anyone can strive to achieve the goals the want. Why, perhaps you can get over whatever grudges you have for our government, and join this generation in the fight to end political corruption, and evasion. Or you can sit on your ass complaining about how corrupt the government is and how useless politics are all the while watching your TV made possible by our happy go lucky political country, eating chips manufactured by a corporation, watching a Afghan child starve to death in its perfect political free zone. Joy.

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yes its a good arguement, i agree he's gotta go but impeaching him idk....he hasnt done anything bad, just horrible horrible decisions..but he rele needs to go..I HATE HIM lol

[kolte]

why though? back yoru arguments up, TRY to, I dare you, what has he done so bad, why should he go?