Women and children first?

[tripolar]

A popular statement said is women and children first, meaning that women and children go before men. Do you believe in that statement or do you think its bs.
Example:
Picture your in your 20's and your in a burning building at a crowded staircase would you wait and let women and children go first, or would you just make a run for it?

Discuss
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I think everyone is equal and everyone can go.

[Bougainvillea]

I would have to let the children go.
I'd risk my life to save a child. Or a woman. Or a man.
But children go first.

[Zephyr]

I agree with Obsidian.
Let the children go first,
Then just adults in general should be treated equally.
I'd let anybody go before me,
Child, man, woman...
It all just depends on the type of person you are,
If you're old fashioned or more modern.

[Bougainvillea]

Exactly.
I think I'd have a higher chance of survival than a child.
It's only right to help them.
In my opinion. :)

[JackOfClubs]

I also agree with Obsidian.
Children are weaker than adults and should go first. We would have a better shot at surviving if something worsened in the predicament.

[Reality]

I would have to let the children go.
I'd risk my life to save a child. Or a woman. Or a man.
But children go first.
Hit the nail on the head.

Children > Men = Women

[Whisper]

Women and children

Children because they are our future, they're innocent, its our duty as adults to keep them safe

Women because in a very real sense it has always been an instinct and duty for a man to protect a woman not because of sexism but up until VERY recently and I'm talking like 50yrs not even if the mother died the baby starved to death simple as that.
A child needs its mother, this has been proven time and time again to the point where in many countries including India, Australia and Canada there are programs in place for young children to stay with there mothers in prison (don't debate about that until you know all the facts and keep in mind all programs are different and that's not what this threads about im using it simple to emphasis the bonds importance in documentation)


Not to mention it is how I was raised
anyone younger than me and women go first

If i was in a titanic type of situation
I would not get on a life raft and leave a child or woman on the doomed ship
I would rather take my chances on the sinking cruise
I'd rather die with honor

[MykeSoBe]

Well I have a tendency to feel guilty towards a lot of things in general, this no exception. I would let anyone younger than me (or, on the other hand, any elderly / sickly people) go before me, and any women go before me. The cry of a man doesn't haunt me but the cry of a girl / woman would haunt me for life. And the guilt would be unbearable if I were to be so cowardly.

And the tragedy of the Titanic is one of the best examples of this scenario (I was a dedicated Titanic enthusiast for two years!). Most men died with honor ...
» John Jacob Astor, the richest man on the ship, died; so did the captain. What was sad about the captain was that the Titanic's maiden voyage was gonna be his last voyage before he retired. Well, I guess it was way more than he bargained for ... R.I.P.
» Then there was also Mr. and Mrs. Strauss, the founders of Macy's Department Store. Mr. Strauss couldn't board a lifeboat, but Mrs. Strauss figured that if he couldn't board a lifeboat, she wouldn't board one either. And they both died together, happily ... Restare In Pace

... but then there were the cowards ...
» Joseph Bruce Ismay, General Manager of the White Star Line (the Titanic's company), dashed for a lifeboat. Some say that he was dressed as a lady just to save his dumb self! The town of Ismay, Texas, even changed its name! He was hated after this.
» And then there was Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon (or just Mr. Gordon, I guess), husband of the famous fashion designer. He allegedly gave a bribe to an officer. He was pilloried just about as much as Ismay after this.

.. so sorry to have made this into an article, but do you all see now? Thanks.

[Reality]

Women because in a very real sense it has always been an instinct and duty for a man to protect a woman not because of sexism but up until VERY recently and I'm talking like 50yrs not even if the mother died the baby starved to death simple as that.
A child needs its mother, this has been proven time and time again to the point where in many countries including India, Australia and Canada there are programs in place for young children to stay with there mothers in prison (don't debate about that until you know all the facts and keep in mind all programs are different and that's not what this threads about im using it simple to emphasis the bonds importance in documentation)
Many children nowadays live with just their fathers and other relatives, either because their mother left them or died, and they grow up just fine, no different to families where the father has left the family, anyway.

One could also argue children should have both a mother and father figure in their life, but that's kind of irrelevant.

Point is, a human child doesn't need their mother/a mother figure to the point you're saying. We're not like other animals, where the baby definitely needs it's mother otherwise they die, we're actually much more intelligent.

... but then there were the cowards ...
» Joseph Bruce Ismay, General Manager of the White Star Line (the Titanic's company), dashed for a lifeboat. Some say that he was dressed as a lady just to save his dumb self! The town of Ismay, Texas, even changed its name! He was hated after this.
» And then there was Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon (or just Mr. Gordon, I guess), husband of the famous fashion designer. He allegedly gave a bribe to an officer. He was pilloried just about as much as Ismay after this.

.. so sorry to have made this into an article, but do you all see now? Thanks.
Who do you have the right to call a "coward" when people simply didn't want to die? That's actually sexist to both men and women, believe it or not.
I bet you're the kind that thinks it's completely okay if a woman argues against a draft to war, but if a man were to, he'd be hailed as a disgraceful coward.

I agree with letting children go first, but adult women seeing as they want to be treated as equals, shouldn't get some special preference in an emergency situations.

[MykeSoBe]

Who do you have the right to call a "coward" when people simply didn't want to die? That's actually sexist to both men and women, believe it or not.
I bet you're the kind that thinks it's completely okay if a woman argues against a draft to war, but if a man were to, he'd be hailed as a disgraceful coward.

I agree with letting children go first, but adult women seeing as they want to be treated as equals, shouldn't get some special preference in an emergency situations.

Historically, that's how J. Bruce Ismay and Mr. Gordon, among others, are viewed as, so it isn't entirely my own bias, it has a record in time.

And I don't think most of the men who died, wanted to die. They had families to take care of. They had dreams of a New World. It's not like they simultaneously committed suicide during the sinking, not most of them anyways.

But on the basic question of this thread, it's more of my personal feeling. I can't stand hearing any female's cry of pain. It would haunt me for life. And a boy's cry too, but not a man's cry. Self-defense is a different matter ...

[Reality]

But on the basic question of this thread, it's more of my personal feeling. I can't stand hearing any female's cry of pain. It would haunt me for life. And a boy's cry too, but not a man's cry. Self-defense is a different matter ...
A cry of pain, is a cry of pain regardless. Men, women and children may sound a lot different, but the pain is stull there, and expressed the same way at that.

[ShatteredWings]

Children first, yes because if kids don't live the human species doesn't.
Yes i realize that the same argument applies to women, but then doesn't it also apply to men? You doooo need both for a species to survive.
*shrug* instinctivly i'd let any child go first... men/women at that point i don't care

[Skeln]

Well yeah I would deffinately let children and elderly and the disabled go first because as already stated children are weaker and would have a less chance of survival. However, in the case that we were given with the building on fire and we being at the staircase, well if there was little-no people exiting through the staircase then I would go as well. But if people were crowding it and alot were trying to escape through the same way then I would try and help others.

I do believe somewhat in the "Women and children first" rule because in general women are weaker than men and also have a less chance of survival. (No offence).

[Whisper]

Many children nowadays live with just their fathers and other relatives, either because their mother left them or died, and they grow up just fine, no different to families where the father has left the family, anyway.

One could also argue children should have both a mother and father figure in their life, but that's kind of irrelevant.

Point is, a human child doesn't need their mother/a mother figure to the point you're saying. We're not like other animals, where the baby definitely needs it's mother otherwise they die, we're actually much more intelligent.
Okay well in all the psychology and sociology classes I've taken so far at uni I would disagree when you say the mother-child bond isn't vital to development.
I'm not saying someone raised only by there fathers is less off what i'm saying is for there mental development especially when they're younger its much easier on them with a mother figure.

and it is a husband and fathers duty to protect his family PERIOD.
my dads a prime example of that he has put himself in danger many times to keep my family safe including having multiple knifes pulled on him by a bunch of cockhead teens protecting me as a child


Who do you have the right to call a "coward" when people simply didn't want to die? That's actually sexist to both men and women, believe it or not.
I love how now a days everyone uses sexism or racism to slam anything like this. I don't view this as a sexist issue at all, that's like saying its sexist NOT to get into a massive fist fight with a girl if in a similar situation you would with a man are you suddenly a sexist asshole if you decide NOT to beat her to a bloody pulp? Come on man gotta do it! -shrug- equal rights right?
bullshit

I bet you're the kind that thinks it's completely okay if a woman argues against a draft to war, but if a man were to, he'd be hailed as a disgraceful coward.
First of all were not talking about a draft were talking about women and children being saved first.
Not all countries have a draft; Canada, for example
Some countries have a mandatory draft permanently wither its war time or not aka, Finland, if you're a male on your 18th B-day you're shipped off.
I whole heartedly agree with this because it teaches you vital skills and has severely cut down on crime especially gun related, but like i said that's a different debate.

I agree with letting children go first, but adult women seeing as they want to be treated as equals, shouldn't get some special preference in an emergency situations.
Yes they should
You can argue with me all you want I will always see you point on this particular stance as flawed
As far as I'm concerned this is basic morality
It's a mans duty to protect, does that mean your an asshole if your scared and don't want to? No, it means your human.
In life things don't always go the way you want
But like I said I'd rather die protecting
Than yes live as a coward

[Reality]

Okay well in all the psychology and sociology classes I've taken so far at uni I would disagree when you say the mother-child bond isn't vital to development.
I'm not saying someone raised only by there fathers is less off what i'm saying is for there mental development especially when they're younger its much easier on them with a mother figure.

and it is a husband and fathers duty to protect his family PERIOD.
my dads a prime example of that he has put himself in danger many times to keep my family safe including having multiple knifes pulled on him by a bunch of cockhead teens protecting me as a child
I've heard about the mother-child bond, but it's not that vital. A baby growing up, until its' told, doesn't know what it's mother is. If someone took you as a baby and handed you to another adult, they could play in the mother-role, or father-role if it were a man.

I love how now a days everyone uses sexism or racism to slam anything like this. I don't view this as a sexist issue at all, that's like saying its sexist NOT to get into a massive fist fight with a girl if in a similar situation you would with a man are you suddenly a sexist asshole if you decide NOT to beat her to a bloody pulp? Come on man gotta do it! -shrug- equal rights right?
bullshit
Heh, I don't know where you're going with that one. If my life depended on it, I'd beat up a woman. I don't care who she is. If she can give it like a man, she can take it like one.


First of all were not talking about a draft were talking about women and children being saved first.
Not all countries have a draft; Canada, for example
Some countries have a mandatory draft permanently wither its war time or not aka, Finland, if you're a male on your 18th B-day you're shipped off.
I whole heartedly agree with this because it teaches you vital skills and has severely cut down on crime especially gun related, but like i said that's a different debate.
Such debate can fit into this, actually, providing it's about women (although not women and children). I take it you'd be against a woman being part of the draft if there were to be one?

Yes they should
You can argue with me all you want I will always see you point on this particular stance as flawed
As far as I'm concerned this is basic morality
It's a mans duty to protect, does that mean your an asshole if your scared and don't want to? No, it means your human.
In life things don't always go the way you want
But like I said I'd rather die protecting
Than yes live as a coward
I don't go by gender roles. They have little to no place in modern society. Not many families today have a male father/husband figure due to increasing amounts of divorce and such.

And yes, this is speaking as a guy. I don't think it makes me some kind of a "coward" if I were to expect a woman to stay on a half sinking ship to save others, rather than save her ass.

[quartermaster]

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» Joseph Bruce Ismay, General Manager of the White Star Line (the Titanic's company), dashed for a lifeboat. Some say that he was dressed as a lady just to save his dumb self! The town of Ismay, Texas, even changed its name! He was hated after this.




A fellow Titanic enthusiast! Good to see!

However, most records regarding Ismay say that he was helping Murdoch load Collapsible C on the starboard side of the ship, but unfortunately, most passengers were still far aft waiting on those lifeboats to be lowered. As a result, the boat was still fairly empty when Murdoch gave a last call for passengers, and at this time three men entered the boat. It was during this moment that Ismay got into the boat; this all per Ismay's account, and Carter's goes right along with this story (apropos, this is one of the things the movie did display that was historically accurate, per passenger and officer account alike). In such, I do not believe J. Bruce Ismay to have been rightfully accused of cowardice, not even for those times.

Interestingly enough, though Ismay was faced with absolute contempt amongst Americans, records also show that Ismay was greeted to a warm welcome upon his return to Britain. Indeed, for Ismay, things are not as cut-and-dry as they initially appear, as records show that Ismay did not take a seat that a woman or child would have taken, but he simply filled an empty spot on a boat that was being lowered. Though I agree with "women and children first," it is even hard for me to say what I would do in such a situation.

[Church]

If I was on the Titanic and was trying to get on a lifeboat and the guy was like "Women and children first" I would be like "F*ck you!" and get on the lifeboat, survival of the fittest.

[Bougainvillea]

If I was on the Titanic and was trying to get on a lifeboat and the guy was like "Women and children first" I would be like "F*ck you!" and get on the lifeboat, survival of the fittest.

Survival of the fittest doesn't mean the strongest or the most intelligent. It applies to those most fit to survive in that environment.
So I'm guessing you'd leave a helpless child to die in a heartbeat.
Wow.

[changed]

everyone has a different opinion , people with children themselves or with siblings will most likely let woman and children go first(EDIT: unless their arseholes lol)

i personally would make a run for it lol :D

[Djonemore]

Um... Whatever the situation... I'm gona try and save myself with whatever type of survival method there is... I will help children along the way, If I save two, and leave one behind I can always make more...

[JunkBondTrader]

I've heard about the mother-child bond, but it's not that vital. A baby growing up, until its' told, doesn't know what it's mother is. If someone took you as a baby and handed you to another adult, they could play in the mother-role, or father-role if it were a man.

You're missing his point. Forget whether or not the kid knows it or whether or not the woman is the child's natural mother, a (female) mother-figure is incredibly important to human development, especially early on.

[Bougainvillea]

Exactly.
No matter what.
The human male isn't capable of
providing that support.

[YourFriend]

I think everyone is equal. But that doesn't mean i wouldn't save the children and women first in such a situation.

[Church]

Survival of the fittest doesn't mean the strongest or the most intelligent. It applies to those most fit to survive in that environment.
So I'm guessing you'd leave a helpless child to die in a heartbeat.
Wow.

Let me make a scenario, your stranded on a island with some kid, theirs only enough food for one of you, the way you look at things are gonna change when survival is the name of the game.

[Bougainvillea]

I would still help the child.

[tripolar]

Let me make a scenario, your stranded on a island with some kid, theirs only enough food for one of you, the way you look at things are gonna change when survival is the name of the game.

Your both might die because you may not be found. Lets say you eat the kid you still may not live in the long run.

I would still help the child.

Yeah but who has the better chance of getting off the island, a child or a older person the older person would try to signal for help the kid wouldn't know to do that.

[Bougainvillea]

Exactly.
I have a higher chance.
Like I said before, it's only right to help a child.

[Church]

"Right" and "wrong" are words that are very flexible, I think it's "right" for me to survive cause I don't know, I don't want to die?

[lamboman43]

everyone has a different opinion , people with children themselves or with siblings will most likely let woman and children go first(EDIT: unless their arseholes lol)

WEll I am an arse then. I have a sister and would only let the kids go first ( unless I hated the kid), Then I would run for it.

[INFERNO]

I'm for the side of saving my skin first. If I die helping some woman or child out of a burning building, then hooray for them but now I'm royally screwed. If I were to save the woman or child, I'd do it in a way where I've guarunteed my safety first. If it comes down to running down some stairs, then I'm shoving the mother and kid out of my way and I'm going down. If it was very close to ground-level then I'd be more inclined to help simply because there's a very high chance I'm surviving if I keep going forward. But I can say for certain that I wouldn't rush a few floors up to grab a kid or mother, let the firemen or some other possible hero toss on their cape and do it.


Let me make a scenario, your stranded on a island with some kid, theirs only enough food for one of you, the way you look at things are gonna change when survival is the name of the game.

Kill the kid, hopefully roast him and eat him. It may end up with neither of us getting rescued but eating the kid hopefully gives me more of a chance of being rescued. Also, if there was other food around, then with the kid alive, I'd be lowering my chances by keeping the kid alive. I want the higher chances so eat him and the other foods.