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Reality
July 23rd, 2009, 11:32 AM
This is an issue that's important to us guys; is it wrong to hit a girl yet completely okay to hit another guy simply because he's stronger and bigger?

Personally, I don't go by that old rule. I believe if anyone can give it like a man, then they should take it like a man. Granted, a girl who talks down to me or slaps me won't get beaten to a bloody pulp because I'm definitely bigger than most girls and even some boys as well, and that is not fair or evenly matched.

But if I was alone on a dark night, and a woman tried to mug me with a knife/gun, then I'd do what I can to get her away from me. I can't exactly say to her "soz I can't hit you, you're a girl" because that could get my killed. If it meant knocking her out or giving her a knuckle sandwich, then so be it.

I doubt I'll get agreed with, but anyways, shoot.

ShatteredWings
July 23rd, 2009, 11:44 AM
Actually i totally agree...

The whole old fashioned idea of chivalry and women being 'weaker' doesn't fly with me.
No, of course it's not fair to try to hurt someone who's half your size... that applys to BOTH genders. I'm not going to hit a guy (unless i have to..) who's 5'2 and barely 100 pounds when i'm nearly six inches taller and have a good seventy pounds on him. Same with a girl who's that small.

Gender does not mean strength, or necessity to self-defense

Sage
July 23rd, 2009, 12:19 PM
I go by a better rule: I don't hit anybody unless they touch me first.

Sapphire
July 23rd, 2009, 02:52 PM
I go by a better rule: I don't hit anybody unless they touch me first.
Same here.

JackOfClubs
July 23rd, 2009, 03:02 PM
I go by a better rule: I don't hit anybody unless they touch me first.
I completely agree. Or unless I have an exceptionally good reason to.

Reality
July 23rd, 2009, 03:11 PM
I go by a better rule: I don't hit anybody unless they touch me first.
I assume that would include girls? Sooo. A girl that smacks you in the nose and a guy that smacks you in the nose gets the same revenge?

Or does different amounts of force and/or restraint come into it, may I ask?

Same here.
It's kind of different for girls. I mean the same thing applies, but I think it's less of an issue for a girl to spark out a guy if she can, than it is for guy to spark out a girl, although at secondary school, if a girl hit a guy then that guy would get his girlfriend/older sister/other female friend to "sort her out". Same with a guy who hit a girl, except he'd get worse shit for it.

Cowardly if you ask me. People should sort out their own problems. Agree?

Sapphire
July 23rd, 2009, 03:27 PM
Yes, people should sort out their own problems.
If a girl hits a guy then she should expect some retaliation from him.
We shouldn't be able to get away with assaulting guys just because we are female.

Bougainvillea
July 23rd, 2009, 03:37 PM
Yes, people should sort out their own problems.
If a girl hits a guy then she should expect some retaliation from him.
We shouldn't be able to get away with assaulting guys just because we are female.

Thank you.
I was trying to figure out how to say it.
I'm siding with Carole.

Death
July 23rd, 2009, 03:55 PM
The old sexist 'rule' is, quite simply, bullshit. Just because one is female does not mean that they are unable to attack or cause harm. If a girl is assaulting me, I should have every right to defend myself as required. I would understand why one would want to ban violence but to allow females to perform acts of violence towards males but not vica versa is sexism and the sort of things that crackpots do.

The Batman
July 23rd, 2009, 04:19 PM
Here's how I feel about it, if a woman continuously hits and a man and he tries everything else and she doesn't stop or if she's about the same size as him then he should have every right to hit her if has to.

Camazotz
July 23rd, 2009, 04:46 PM
Yes, people should sort out their own problems.
If a girl hits a guy then she should expect some retaliation from him.
We shouldn't be able to get away with assaulting guys just because we are female.

I couldn't agree more with Carole. While I'm not a violent person and wouldn't fight someone (in most cases), if it comes down to it, I'd fight back. I don't care if it's a woman, I don't care if it's a man.

Sage
July 23rd, 2009, 04:58 PM
I assume that would include girls? Sooo. A girl that smacks you in the nose and a guy that smacks you in the nose gets the same revenge?

Or does different amounts of force and/or restraint come into it, may I ask?

I wouldn't lose it over a little smack in the nose. So yes, a level of self-restraint comes into it.

scuba steve
July 23rd, 2009, 07:05 PM
if a woman was to beat on me i wouldn't hesitate to kick her ass same goes for males, but i don't believe in domestic violence to women and would generally be quite chivalrous to them maybe the odd nudge on the shoulder if i was close to them but im talking like friends my own age not older people when im saying about the nudge thing cus then it's just disrespectful

Bougainvillea
July 23rd, 2009, 07:08 PM
If I was to hit a girl, she would have to done something REALLY bad. If one started wailing on me, I'd try to restrain her. But if that doesn't work, I'd have to hit her.

Sage
July 23rd, 2009, 10:06 PM
If I was to hit a girl, she would have to done something REALLY bad. If one started wailing on me, I'd try to restrain her. But if that doesn't work, I'd have to hit her.

And why not show that level of restraint to your fellow man? Be the better person, quickly resorting to violence is nothing to be proud of, let alone chivalrous.

Atonement
July 23rd, 2009, 10:08 PM
I'm of the opinion that men need to undrestand that typically, they can easily hurt a girl and it is NEVER okay to hit a girl unless there is a serious event. Women, should not hit men period either unless in a joking cute way thats gentle. :P

ylllek nivyer
July 23rd, 2009, 10:27 PM
yes, violence between men and wemon should be reserved for emergency only. unless playfully. :) then its okay.

The Joker
July 23rd, 2009, 10:45 PM
I use self restraint. If I know her and she attacks me, I won't do anything until I'm sure she won't stop, then I would just hold her from fighting.

If it were some random person, they have immediately lost my respect and I will use force.

Whisper
July 23rd, 2009, 10:59 PM
I dunno this is a big debate among my friends
I mean is NOT hitting a girl discrimination?
I mean equal rights right

I've never hit a girl
but i have restrained many because they were hitting me
girls tend to be fucking assholes about this
girls will freak out throw shit at you bitch slap you but you throw one little left hook and all hell breaks loose

Bougainvillea
July 23rd, 2009, 11:46 PM
And why not show that level of restraint to your fellow man? Be the better person, quickly resorting to violence is nothing to be proud of, let alone chivalrous.

Hitting is a last resort. I'm in boxing, I have been for 3 years. IIf I hit someone, It will hurt. I won't hit a girl OR guy unless I know they're seriously trying to hurt me.

INFERNO
July 24th, 2009, 12:58 AM
I generally give people a chance of three strikes (unless it's an immediate on-slaught to me or similar situations). If a girl or guy hits me once, I'll try to block it. If that happens the second time, I'll try to block it or refrain them from hitting. The third time I'll try to do the same thing as the second time. After that, it doesn't matter on the gender, I'm taking them down and it generally will result in some pain.

The reason I say the three strikes is fairly simple. I train in karate, self-defense and some judo (self-defense includes some kickboxing techniques and many techniques for bone-breaking and rather painful joint locks). Obviously if the person is well-trained also then I'll not very likely to let them get three good strikes.

However, if they're not well-trained then I'll try to reason before the first few hits as the first hit or so is usually just out of frustration. Reacting to that one may make the situation explode even more. I let there be a few more hits so they can vent a bit. However, after the first three (possibly four if the hits are weak), then I'm stopping it.

If there is a girl who has a knife or some other weapon to me, then obviously I'm not going to do the three-strikes rule. My aim is to then disarm her and if that involves breaking her wrists, shins, knocking her out, giving her a nice hard through to the pavement, etc..., so be it. If the throw or whatever other techniques doesn't work immediately and the person continues to attack, then I'll do the same idea, throw, snap a bone or two, submission, joint lock, etc... until they are unable to attack/pose a threat to me.

I'm more hesisitant to hit any person regardless of gender because there can be an issue of I know how to fight more than they do. So I try to react on self-defense.

If the person is a friend, then if it's a physical fight and not play-fighting then I don't care how close they are to me anymore. The same possibly three-strike rule gets in effect unless they know how to fight or they have a weapon of some sort.

All of this though applies to a real fight, not play-fighting and when the strikes have some force to them. If it's just one hard slap to me, then if I deserved it, I'll take it. If I didn't, it's only one slap and nothing else, I'll live with it.

AllThatIsLeft
July 24th, 2009, 01:06 AM
I know my shit. and i wont hit someone smaller OR bigger because i know i'll cause damage.
and if i am forced to hit i make sure it's the less damage possible.
when you know as much as me, going monkey shit is not a good thing.

this applies to both guys and girls

Bougainvillea
July 24th, 2009, 01:08 AM
I know my shit. and i wont hit someone smaller OR bigger because i know i'll cause damage.
and if i am forced to hit i make sure it's the less damage possible.
when you know as much as me, going monkey shit is not a good thing.

this applies to both guys and girls

Haha!
I second this. :)

Skeln
July 24th, 2009, 02:50 PM
I personally would rather not hit anyone but if the situation called for it where it was for the greater good then yes I wouldn't be afraid to hit anyone. but with someone smaller than me and weaker I would try to go easy. Really I would only do what is necessary, like I wouldn't go al out on some 7-year-old who was threatening to kill someone and they had a knife in their hands.

Whisper
July 24th, 2009, 04:35 PM
i'm getting sick of everyone and this "i'd go easy" crap
the fact is if you were going easy you wouldn't punch them to begin with
treating them like a toddler is just insulting

There's no such thing as fighting dirty, only winners and losers
simple as that

Triceratops
July 24th, 2009, 05:42 PM
I try to avoid inflicting violence towards others at all costs, unless the situation is pretty extreme.
As stated beforehand, I'll probably only hit someone if they hit me first.

I also agree completely with the OP. The fact that a girl hitting a guy to be deemed far more acceptable to where a guy hitting a girl is totally wrong is absolutely ludicrous. A certain gender should not be excluded in these types of circumstances. Girls can be just as violent and brutal as guys can be.

Mr. Awesome
July 24th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Has nobody here heard of turn the other cheek. I have never hit anybody and have never given a reason for somebody to hit me. I would most definatly never hit a female EVER. I would restrain any female who hit me however i would not hit her.

Reality
July 24th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Has nobody here heard of turn the other cheek. I have never hit anybody and have never given a reason for somebody to hit me. I would most definatly never hit a female EVER. I would restrain any female who hit me however i would not hit her.
What about a male who was the same weight and size as the female?

tripolar
July 25th, 2009, 02:00 AM
If she hits me i will it her back, anyways don't women want equal rights as men and to be equal with men.

Bougainvillea
July 25th, 2009, 02:03 AM
I would rather not hit anyone. I'd do the best to restrain them. If I punch you, it's going to hurt. It'd be unfair. For a woman or a man. If your not experienced.

Triceratops
July 25th, 2009, 03:09 AM
anyways don't women want equal rights as men and to be equal with men.

Yes, the majority of us do.
That's why I think the whole "guys shouldn't hit girls" is ridiculous.

Zephyr
July 25th, 2009, 03:35 AM
One good turn deserves another.
If you hit anybody,
Be ready to get the same treatment.

Nobody should hit anybody though.
Be an adult about it,
And talk, don't get physical.

YourFriend
July 25th, 2009, 06:00 AM
I go by a better rule: I don't hit anybody unless they touch me first.

Same.

Death
July 26th, 2009, 04:08 PM
It's rare that I've ever excerted violent force on anyone else but there have been times when I have but only when truly necessary and if i can avoid it, I will. If I must resort to violence however, I really couldn't care less if the recipient is male or female, I will do it although I will only be aiming to prevent them from doing anything harmful - nothing more. And yes, this 'guys should never hit girls but the reverse is allowed' bullshit is basically more of that ludricous nonsense that crackpots spew out.

MykeSoBe
July 27th, 2009, 05:59 AM
Like I said on the Woman and children first thread, I feel real guilty about many things. The sound of a female cry is just so unbearable and horrifying, it'll haunt you for life. But now self-defense is a different matter. Of course sometime I get physical with my cousin if he's pushing my buttons way too hard, but he's a boy, and I don't get in trouble for it in the end.

I have a kinda gender rivalry thingy. I can't stand it when girls try and beat us males, especially in terms of talking and mouthing off. On an occasion, after growing tired of hearing this girl saying "shut up" all the time, for no reason seemingly, I said what had to be said and made it clear, just to give a glimpse of it. And that ended the phenomenon.

But in terms of self-defense, it's an equal balanced line. Everybody is responsible for their own actions no matter what age, gender, sexuality, nationality, religion, social / financial status, and everything else. Ya see what I'm trying to say here?

Whisper
July 27th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I have a kinda gender rivalry thingy. I can't stand it when girls try and beat us males, especially in terms of talking and mouthing off. On an occasion, after growing tired of hearing this girl saying "shut up" all the time, for no reason seemingly, I said what had to be said and made it clear, just to give a glimpse of it. And that ended the phenomenon.
what the fuck?


Ya see what I'm trying to say here?
not in the slightest

MykeSoBe
July 28th, 2009, 04:44 AM
what the fuck?
...
not in the slightest

OK I admit it, I suck at debating. Well, all I was saying is that I hate it when girls try and beat guys, especially in terms of mouthing off and talking stuff.

JunkBondTrader
July 28th, 2009, 07:45 AM
Well, I do believe that guys shoudln't hit girls to an extent. It's something that was always taught but to me it was assuming that the girl wasn't doing anything in the first place. Basically I was raised to know that a man shouldn't smack his wife around which is something I wholeheartedly agree with. But if a girl was in a situation where she could do me serious damage then yes, I would be prepared to use force but as with anyone, it wouldn't be a first resort since.

I think one of the reasons this social rule came about though is because women are historically assumed to never become violent hence, any man who hit a woman would be the aggressor and frankly, there is some truth in this. Women are less likely to become violent. For example, I can't say I've ever been beaten and robbed by a gang of girls (not saying they couldn't if they tried). But, if a situation arises where a woman became sufficiently violent towards me to warrant an attack then I would retaliate and I don't think anyone would blame me for it.

sebbie
July 28th, 2009, 03:40 PM
I will hit/restrain anyone and anything in my own self defence or that of a friend /family.

The amount of force I would use would depend on the situation.

There are NO rules in a fight for self defence in my opinion.

ShatteredWings
July 28th, 2009, 03:51 PM
OK I admit it, I suck at debating. Well, all I was saying is that I hate it when girls try and beat guys, especially in terms of mouthing off and talking stuff.

Um, what the fuck?
You're still not making any sense. how does not liking women being at all better than you(as an indivdual person) relate to 'guys should never hit girls'?

Skeln
July 28th, 2009, 04:58 PM
i'm getting sick of everyone and this "i'd go easy" crap

If I'm in an unecessary fight with someone smaller than me by a considerable amount then I wouldn't use my best on them unless I had to. I don't want to end up with a few small bruises and the other person being a bloody pulp. If someone's the same size as me or bigger or are not much smaller than me then it's all fair if you aks me.

Beatles385
December 29th, 2010, 06:04 AM
I don't believen in striking a woman not because I am stronger but it is wrong and against my morals. To me it is the ungentlemanly thing to do

Beatles385
December 29th, 2010, 06:28 AM
The way I was raised u never strike a woman unless it's life or death

Mrs.KermitTheFrogx
December 29th, 2010, 06:55 AM
My and some of my guy friends proper fight
flooring eachother and that :L
but i do boxing and judo since i was young so im not exactly a 'damesel in distress'.
But most of my mates are still quite big and tower over me so they still hold back
i dont fink you should hit gurls unless your having a mes around
just pick them up and put them lightly on the ground
thats what we do ;)x

KylieEatWorld
December 29th, 2010, 12:07 PM
It's not an aspect that women are "weaker and smaller than you so you have to be gentle."
It's an aspect of respect. Chivalry is pretty much dead these days so that makes when you find someone who holds doors open for you a rare gem. In the case of the woman trying to harm you physically the best idea would be to push her out of the way, try to dodge her yourself, or call for help. As a last result you could hit her if it would save your life but women like to talk and sometimes that talking involves complaining. They just want to be heard and so if you hit her because she "wouldn't shut up", or "was being a bitch", or "acted like a slag and cheated on you." Or whatever reason you use to justify it is not okay.

Of course in most cases I believe violence in general is not okay either.

Infected
December 29th, 2010, 12:57 PM
As a girl, I think that it shouldn't be considered any more immoral than a guy hitting a guy. Afterall, girls can be bigger & stronger than average or skilled in some form of martial arts/kickboxing/other discipline and cause guys a lot of damage in a fight or if she were to mug him. Then there's also the fact that sometimes brute force is neccessary to protect lives. If a gang of girls or whatever had your friend or family member at knife point, you're not going to just go soft to be "chivalrious", but you would be using whatever force neccessary to protect that family member or friend.

Aves
December 29th, 2010, 05:04 PM
Don't bump old threads

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