Obama

[akadrase]

Am I the only person who is infirriated with Obama being president? I feel the base of his administration is corrupting America. Feed back. I'll even go more in depth.

[Bougainvillea]

Am I the only person who is infirriated with Obama being president? I feel the base of his administration is corrupting America. Feed back. I'll even go more in depth.

And how is that?
Well, thank god Bush isn't here anymore.

[Antares]

Yea, if you want to be taken seriously when posting in this forum, you need to be descriptive and explain your thoughts thoroughly

[akadrase]

Bush did nothing wrong and Obama is corrupting byedoing irrational moves. I dont even know where to start. Ill begin with his very first day in office, he brought the sences bar into the white house(witch is against the constitution) While im on the constitution obama is trying to tear away our admendments starting with our first and second AKA freedom of speech and right to bare arms

but the 2 things that make me maddest at obama are 1. he quadrupled the national deficite in just 3 months in office by using the stimulous bill and now theres talk of another one and 2. this president is so incompitit that he uses a telepromter just to talk. and the one time he doesnt use a telepromter he makes fun of "special" people. do i have to go on i hope you realize that as long as obama is president, things will only get worse.

[Whisper]

edit your posts don't "double post"

and dont talk about taking american freedoms away against obama and ignore Bush's patriot act or torture practices

[bill]

but the 2 things that make me maddest at obama are 1. he quadrupled the national deficite in just 3 months in office by using the stimulous bill and now theres talk of another one and 2. this president is so incompitit that he uses a telepromter just to talk. and the one time he doesnt use a telepromter he makes fun of "special" people. do i have to go on i hope you realize that as long as obama is president, things will only get worse.

i totaly agree i dont liike obama at all. he has disgraced america mutiple times and i dont think bush has anything to do with it! so wat he did some bad things atleast he didnt disgrace america and obama is now even paying peeps who dont work! do you know how many lazy peeps are gona quit there jobs JUST because they dont have to earn there money like real americans!

[Sapphire]

and dont talk about taking american freedoms away against obama and ignore Bush's patriot act or torture practices
QFT.
Obama is doing more for human rights in America and around the world than Bush ever did.

[Zephyr]

Bush read from a teleprompter too, so don't even go there.
And Bush did nothing wrong?
You make me laugh.

~ He got us into Iraq under false intentions by accusing the Iraqis of having 'weapons of mass destruction', and tried to play it off as terrorism so that the American public would support the war. Still haven't found said weapons of mass destruction.
~ Completely destroyed Clinton's surplus of the national debt
~ He knew about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing to prevent it

As my top 3 that I find the worst.

Obama has to try and fix 8 years of a lot of bad decisions.
And you can't make money from nothing.
You have to spend money to make money.
How do you think Roosevelt got us out of the depression?
By spending money on many projects and government aid programs.
How is Obama trying to help us out of this mess?
A stimulus bill.

And Obama is really working to improve foreign relations,
Which the US really needs.

Bush NEVER got elected by the popular vote,
Only the electoral college.

Obama won both the popular and the electoral college by a long shot.

And QFT on what Cody said about the Patriot Act and torture practices.

[Bougainvillea]

ANOTHER sterling example of why people should think before they post.
Bush was a dipshit!
If you think Bush did nothing wrong, you're IGNORANT.

[JackOfClubs]

Bush put the country in a huge recession and caused the death of thousands of American soldiers. 'Nuff said.

[Whisper]

ANOTHER sterling example of why people should think before they post.
Bush was a dipshit!
If you think Bush did nothing wrong, you're IGNORANT.

Give examples to back up your position in a debate, don't just insult.

[akadrase]

QFT.
Obama is doing more for human rights in America and around the world than Bush ever did.

That the best thing he is doing, most of his desions are irraticaly wrong.:mad:


The Republican veiw on war is the right one. Bush did the best for America by having the war in Iraq, if he hadent, then the war wouldve been on American soil.


Bush inherited the reccession and torward the end of his 8 years the reccession started to improve, then obama quadrupled (x4) the national defficite.

and about the waterboarding tactics for terrorists, there terrorist against america so y should we cater to them, plus us marines get waterboarded as part of training.. Nothing bad comes from waterboarding it only simulates drounding.

And bush read telepromters on special occastions not every freaken time he spoke. and i dont believe bush discraced "special" people.

to be honest i KNOW obama only got elected cause of the medias role to lie about sarah palin. nearly all of the countries media is liberal or more left winged so its only ovious that the media made an impact in the election.





i think the only reason people blame bush for every single thing wrong with america is because them make themselves believe that democrats couldnt do this, when acctually democrats are the reason america has a high unemployment rate , reccesion and many other problems

[Sapphire]

Ok, first off Bush did not inherit the recession. The credit crunch got underway while Bush was in office and this paved the way for a recession.
How could the recession be Obama's fault if he wasn't even president when things started turning sour?

Saddam Hussein wasn't interested in attacking the USA - he was actually interested in working with them against Ahmadinejad - so what war are you saying would have taken place on American soil?

Obama made a stupid mistake but it hasn't caused anyone irreparable harm - Bush's mistake has cost America 4,323 lives.

[YourFriend]

Obama IS better than Bush.

[Bobby]

There is way to much hate on Bush. I actually, think he did pretty decently for all of the crap that happened during his two terms in office.

And I really love how everyone blames EVERYTHING on Bush. He's not the only one making decisions.

[twotall]

well i think bush did all he could do as the president. but so far obama is trying but i dont think he helped us yet because the money is there but noting is being done for jobs or the lower class. but right now we nedd to get jobs up and the econmy going. but im not going to say any thing bad about any one

[Bobby]

That's all he is trying to do, help the lower class. He's all talk about how this will take a little bit longer, but he's already failed at living up to expectations. Who knows.

[Sapphire]

There is way to much hate on Bush. I actually, think he did pretty decently for all of the crap that happened during his two terms in office.

And I really love how everyone blames EVERYTHING on Bush. He's not the only one making decisions.Who's blaming everything on Bush?

well i think bush did all he could do as the president. but so far obama is trying but i dont think he helped us yet because the money is there but noting is being done for jobs or the lower class. but right now we nedd to get jobs up and the econmy going. but im not going to say any thing bad about any one
Hmm...You are failing to note that things will get worse before they get better. This gem of information has been put out there for months now - going back to before Obama was even elected. Change on such a grand scale cannot occur overnight so time is needed for the situation to recover. He is doing things to help but they will take time to work.

[akadrase]

Just remember that he's broken the constitution too.
He should be impeached.

[Whisper]

No he hasn't, learn to debate either prove it or shush
you never impeach anyone

There is way to much hate on Bush. I actually, think he did pretty decently for all of the crap that happened during his two terms in office.

And I really love how everyone blames EVERYTHING on Bush. He's not the only one making decisions.

I didn't mind him
He was better for North American relations (Canada, USA, Mexico) than any other president in US history example http://www.spp.gov/

he did allot for Canada
Obama is crippling our economy typical democrat, fuckin protectionism even towards your number one trading partner
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/24/why-barack-obama-is-bad-for-canada/

w/e

[The Batman]

Dude wtf are you talking about? You can't judge someone's entire presidency on the first few months in office wait a couple years when the policies and have time to take affect and then make your judgement.

[Sapphire]

Dude wtf are you talking about? You can't judge someone's entire presidency on the first few months in office wait a couple years when the policies and have time to take affect and then make your judgement.
QFT.
In that time the stimulus package will have had time to fulfill its potential among other things.

[Whisper]

negative you can usually gather a good description of the direction the the future effects of major decisions like say the largest stimulus package in history within the first 100 days of presidency

[Sapphire]

negative you can usually gather a good description of the direction the the future effects of major decisions like say the largest stimulus package in history within the first 100 days of presidency
I disagree and so do a number of economists. Things were always going to get worse before they get better.

[akadrase]

No he hasn't, learn to debate either prove it or shush
you never impeach anyone



w/e


yes obama has broken the constitution. he broght the senses bar into the white house! get your fact straight

[Whisper]

I disagree and so do a number of economists. Things were always going to get worse before they get better.


Yes thats a fact everyone has known, a basic economic reality
I was not talking about the economic status as of now I was talking about the DIRECTION and the RESULTS, the end game which after 100 days if you still have no idea about the direction then you are either mentally handicapped or the president is. That's why a huge deal was made and the media went insane when the 100 day mark was hit
A simple example for a very clear negative effect from Obama over Bush for Canada would be the "Buy American" clause and inturn the ideology it has spawned thats spreading like wildfire though the states especially along the northern boarder with Canada. http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/24/why-barack-obama-is-bad-for-canada/
When you are worried about something as critical to international trade as NAFTA being undermined it doesn't instill much confidence in the market now does it.




yes obama has broken the constitution. he broght the senses bar into the white house! get your fact straight

wtf is a senses bar
yet again i will remind you to provide backing to your claims
next time you neglect to do so I'll ignore your opinion entirely

oh look another law bush broke thats just now coming to light
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090712/cia_cheney_090712/20090712?hub=World

[Sapphire]

Yes thats a fact everyone has known, a basic economic reality
I was not talking about the economic status as of now I was talking about the DIRECTION and the RESULTS, the end game which after 100 days if you still have no idea about the direction then you are either mentally handicapped or the president is. That's why a huge deal was made and the media went insane when the 100 day mark was hit
A simple example for a very clear negative effect from Obama over Bush for Canada would be the "Buy American" clause and inturn the ideology it has spawned thats spreading like wildfire though the states especially along the northern boarder with Canada. http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/24/why-barack-obama-is-bad-for-canada/
When you are worried about something as critical to international trade as NAFTA being undermined it doesn't instill much confidence in the market now does it.The direction of the stimulus plan seems to be promising despite the slow start.

So America is finally taking the emission of greenhouse gases seriously. I think it is about damn time. A large number of nations have been working on cutting CO2 emissions and frankly it was disgusting that Bush was so against it. I, for one, am thrilled that Obama is looking into this with earnest.

And so what if he wants the American citizens to spend money on American produce? It will help their economy which is (and correct me if I'm wrong here) his primary concern as president.
I'm not entirely sure why you are so against it because it also mirrors your attitude that Canada's money should be invested in Canada's own people during a time of such hardship, does it not?

[Zephyr]

The Republican veiw on war is the right one. Bush did the best for America by having the war in Iraq, if he hadent, then the war wouldve been on American soil.


Bush inherited the reccession and torward the end of his 8 years the reccession started to improve, then obama quadrupled (x4) the national defficite.

and about the waterboarding tactics for terrorists, there terrorist against america so y should we cater to them, plus us marines get waterboarded as part of training.. Nothing bad comes from waterboarding it only simulates drounding.


1) So, the right view was lying to the American public about 'weapons of mass destruction' so that we could go in and destroy the government of another country?

2) Bush didn't inherit the recession, he created it with the war in Iraq. Bill Clinton had the national debt SURPLUSSED before Bush took over and got us into debt with the war in Iraq. And like I've emphasized before, Obama may have raised the deficit, but it you have to spend money to make money, just like FDR did in his first 100 days.

3) You don't have to cater to them, but you don't have to treat them like shit either. They're humans too, I hope you realize, with the same thoughts and feelings as you and me.

And lastly, what the hell is a senses bar? I've looked it up several times now and I've gotten nothing to do with the White House, let alone what it is.

[akadrase]

wtf is a senses bar
yet again i will remind you to provide backing to your claims
next time you neglect to do so I'll ignore your opinion entirely
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Its not my fault you don't know what the sences bar is.

The Sences Bar is basicaly the population count, if obama brought it into the White House he has free right to the immigrational issues.

What does it matter to me if you ignore my opinion, you don't even know your facts.

[The Batman]

Dude that's Census not Sences.

[Jman35]

Obama destroying our ammendmants? What about when bush said it was completely ok to wire tap anyone with a warrant?

[Zephyr]

Census > Senses

Aaah, of course, Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/09/gop-sounds-alarm-obama-decision-census-white-house/

I'd have to agree with you on this one.
The Census is fine as is.
Physical headcount is better than sampling.

But.
The President does have a say in immigration,
And how it's handled if a new bill were go arise about it.
So either way, immigration is in congress and Obama's hands.

[ViciousScheme]

Bush read from a teleprompter too, so don't even go there.
And Bush did nothing wrong?
You make me laugh.

~ He got us into Iraq under false intentions by accusing the Iraqis of having 'weapons of mass destruction', and tried to play it off as terrorism so that the American public would support the war. Still haven't found said weapons of mass destruction.
~ Completely destroyed Clinton's surplus of the national debt
~ He knew about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing to prevent it

As my top 3 that I find the worst.

Obama has to try and fix 8 years of a lot of bad decisions.
And you can't make money from nothing.




Also, sorry for coming into the convo late.
You have to spend money to make money.
How do you think Roosevelt got us out of the depression?
By spending money on many projects and government aid programs.
How is Obama trying to help us out of this mess?
A stimulus bill.

And Obama is really working to improve foreign relations,
Which the US really needs.

Bush NEVER got elected by the popular vote,
Only the electoral college.

Obama won both the popular and the electoral college by a long shot.

And QFT on what Cody said about the Patriot Act and torture practices.

It doesn't just take one man to say "OKAY WE ARE GOING TO GO TO WAR WITH THE IRAQIS." It had to have been approved by a board first. You guys are blaming this solely on bush, and the whole Obama fixing 8 years of bad economic decision. Oh my gosh. Ill start with this, and check Scottrade or any other stock monitoring system, the first day Obama comes into office, the stocks drop. He promises to fix the economy with stimulus packages, the stocks dive like Michael Phelps. He's pulling money out of NOWHERE. The world is going to get sucked into a freakin black hole! The world revolves around USD because we trade so heavily with other countries and if the value of our American Dollar goes down, so does every other countries.

[Commander Thor]

It doesn't just take one man to say "OKAY WE ARE GOING TO GO TO WAR WITH THE IRAQIS." It had to have been approved by a board first. You guys are blaming this solely on bush, and the whole Obama fixing 8 years of bad economic decision. Oh my gosh. Ill start with this, and check Scottrade or any other stock monitoring system, the first day Obama comes into office, the stocks drop. He promises to fix the economy with stimulus packages, the stocks dive like Michael Phelps. He's pulling money out of NOWHERE. The world is going to get sucked into a freakin black hole! The world revolves around USD because we trade so heavily with other countries and if the value of our American Dollar goes down, so does every other countries.

Since you've brought stocks into this.
The stock market has actually been on the rise in the past 5 months: http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?PT=6&showchartbt=Redraw+chart&compsyms=&CA=1&CB=1&CC=1&CD=1&D4=1&DD=1&D5=0&DCS=2&MA0=0&MA1=0&CF=0&D7=&D6=&symbol=NDAQ&nocookie=1&SZ=0

[Sapphire]

1) So, the right view was lying to the American public about 'weapons of mass destruction' so that we could go in and destroy the government of another country?To be fair to Bush, Saddam was giving everyone an incorrect picture of Iraq being in possession of lots of WoMDs.
It came out after his capture, however, that this wasn't to threaten the West with.

Census > Senses
Ohh! Census. Lol, I wondered why google and cnn weren't giving me anything about the senses bar!

[akadrase]

Dude that's Census not Sences.
My bad, its still against the constitution.

[akadrase]

Obama destroying our ammendmants? What about when bush said it was completely ok to wire tap anyone with a warrant?

With a Warrent! Duh.

Watch in 2012 America Will be close to communism if not already.

[Sapphire]

My bad, its still against the constitution.
It seems as if some disagree though.

The USA close to communism?? Lol. That is close to being the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

[Bluearmy]

I personally think everybody here is jumping the gun too quickly.

He hasn't even been in office for a year. I don't think anybody should be coming to conclusions about his presidency or plans until well after they have made an effect...

[akadrase]

It seems as if some disagree though.

The USA close to communism?? Lol. That is close to being the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!



Ya. with obama trying to take away our admendments it will be close to communism.

[Sapphire]

Ya. with obama trying to take away our admendments it will be close to communism.
LOL!
How exactly?

[akadrase]

if we have no amendments government will have total controll

[Sapphire]

if we have no amendments government will have total controll
Fucking LOL!
That's not communism. That's a dictatorship.

[akadrase]

Fucking LOL!
That's not communism. That's a dictatorship.

they are both closely related

[Sapphire]

they are both closely related
No, they aren't.

[Commander Thor]

they are both closely related

Not even close


Communism:

Classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society



Dictatorship:

1. dictator's power or rule: a dictator's power or authority, or the period of time during which a dictator rules

2. government by dictator: government by a dictator, usually by force

3. country ruled by dictator: a country ruled by a dictator

4. absolute authority: absolute power or authority


Dictator:
powerful ruler: a leader who rules a country with absolute power, usually by force



Hardly the same...

[Bobby]

This isn't a debate, just arguing and education.

Locked.