Christian Advice page?

[Corey G.]

=o i dont know if this has been posted, but I know if I want answers then I want them from fellow Christians. So i would be open to say my problems on a page that Christians are ment to answer on, then any other.

[Maverick]

I really don't think we can offer religion specific advice. This is an open forum where everyone is allowed to post and we offer very minimal separation.

There is a VT Christians (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/group.php?groupid=28) social group that might work for you but if not I suggest joining a Christian forum.

[AllThatIsLeft]

silly idea.

EDIT: read below for clarifying what i meant.

[Cloud]

if a forum were to be created solely for christianity the same would be required for other religions and its just pointless cos hardly anyone would use it jsut state the fact that you want the christian view when you ask the question n everything will be hunky dory

[Maverick]

silly idea.
It isn't silly at all. Its a perfectly legitimate suggestion.

[Corey G.]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I don't agree with your reasoning but i could be wrong on what your drawing your conclusion from so I can't really say to much about that. BUT my reason for being here is to help other people, not neciseriously get help. And i do believe that having religious specific Advice places can increase visits to this site, and the ability to help more people would aslo increase. =o honestly I think that over all it would help the site, if you have a specific religious Advice place for each religion.(I understand that this is probably a run on ramble but please read carefully and think about what i have said)

[The Joker]

I am Christian. Everyone here seems to have a good opinion, whether or not they are Christian.

[Corey G.]

well thats just silly of you to say, that we shouldnt have my point of view out there because i want it out there o.o because itd be the same for you. Do people even notice what their saying?

[Cloud]

for a forum to be created there has to be demand for it
and your suggesting a whole new section??
it jsut aint gonna happen for 1 perosn

[AllThatIsLeft]

I meant it silly, because if you do it for one group, it's only fair to do it for other groups too...

and i think that is going overboard...
ideas are always welcomed, i just think it's flawed

[Corey G.]

lol, well of course, no idea is perfect if it comes from a human perspective, we are just to flawed.(Our own fault really we decided to do wrong which inturn causes harm to be done to others as well as ourselves) but to say an idea is silly because it is flawed is just foolish.

[Maverick]

Corey, like I said, VT isn't a website meant for that kind of thing. Its an open forum and will most likely always remain that way. The kind of thing you're looking for is at a Christian specific forum. That will work out much better to your needs than what we can offer here.

[Corey G.]

Eh, it was just an idea and it doesnt have to be accepted but I do have to go against some foolishness against it(not that everything against the Idea is foolish just some of the oppositions(you know...like the 'thats silly' one)) but i think for it to be more 'open' would be to allow certain things like that. But if seen to be otherwise then eh.

[Antares]

Well I agree. I think it is a silly idea because I don't see why advice should be religion specific (unless it was actually pertaining to religion).

There are many many people on this site that offer really good advice. You just have to find the ones that would conform with your religion.

Theres a religion forum that maybe can offer you help

Also, I don't think that providing religion specific or religious advice is good for this forum. We aren't supposed to discriminate and that may end up happening. Also, if we can't talk about religion properly, then this will definitely cause issues down the road.

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

(...) i think for it to be more 'open' would be to allow certain things like that. But if seen to be otherwise then eh.

It isn't an issue of being "open" or not. It's an issue of whether or not there is a need for this and, on this site, there just isn't.

Don't get us wrong; when people do want religion-specific advice, they are free to ask for it. We do get some threads--few, but some--asking for advice that jives with their religious perspective. I've seen posters specifically state that their question relates to the moral standards of their religion, and ask those who answer it to take that into account. Usually these have to do with sex and relationships, and where the relationship with God comes into play in it all. I don't think there are nearly enough questions like this to dedicate an entire section to it, though.

If your question pertains to religion, mention that when you ask it. Otherwise, most questions have no need to be separated from the rest. "I have a headache and it won't go away, any tips?" is an example of something that anyone with advice should be able to answer--a Christian, or a Buddhist, or a Jew isn't going to have any better or worse advice based on their religious viewpoints. Most other questions are the same way, here.

[Neverender]

Simply, if we had a christian only forum, then we would need to have a separate forum for all religions, Jews, Islamic, Athiests, etc. to be fair.

A public forum is a place for all to congregate, i feel that separate forums would simply go unused or break up that community we hold so dear.

Also, if you want religious advice/discussion, see the Ramblings of the Wise down in the General Discussions forum. There is a very busy thread in there on religion.

[Corey G.]

=o Society is made up of seperation Neverender, we have lower class, middle class, and upper class, and thoughs are seperated even more than that.(i really dont want to name them all) So I honestly don't see where your coming from.

There is a need Kaleidoscope Eyes. 1. I have seen many answers to peoples problems that don't even come CLOSE to actually solving the problem, and many come close to only making the problem worse if its not already that way. Yes I do see good advice every now and then, but honestly I see problems getting worse because of some of the advice given on the website rather than better. And thats not my bias speaking! Thats my common sense speaking! And if you think about it most all questions deal with religious views(and whether or not you believe this, even some medications can pertain to a more central religious belief.)

Mars have you ever really read most of this advice? Some of it holds nothing to it, and most the time just hurts the person more than helps, and most the time its advice that can only work for certain types of people, if you view differently then others than that advice won't work, and if you have more religious specific advice centers more people would be willing to bring it up.

So far the only really good point I've heard is from Kaleidoscope Eyes. And thats if people want religious specific advice then they will just ask for it. the others are just points that at many times(maybe not all the time) falls short.

[Donkey]

Yes, let's make a forum for Christians ONLY to give each other their blessings and encourage prayer with each other to cure them of this terrible illness that is puberty.

Aside from the sarcasm, Corey, far more often than not the replies here by reputable members are very accurate and helpful. I've been helped by VT, and so have many others. So, to check you out, I decided to look at one of your nine glorious posts, 6 of which are devoted to this thread.

1. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. It is in truth a search for the love of the same sex that you have never felt you have experienced, it is often Caused from the lack, or poor, same sex romodols.

Your posts are completely constructed of your opinion, which I and most others here don't share. They are very much so Christian oriented views. This is what the Christian forum would be like. As it's Christian ONLY, all the "Am I gay?" questions would be like "NO! God didn't make you gay, you made yourself gay! Now turn back!" This kind of stuff is unhelpful, and not what VT's for. Maybe that is a stereotype, but I bet it will happen. I'm not saying all Christians are unreasonable, far from it, I'm just saying that a Christian Forum would be asking for Christian advice therefore the advice would follow the bible which isn't so into homosexuality.

But, if you really want to talk to other Christians about these issues and such, join a Christian forum. Then everyone's a Christian and us non-Christians don't feel left out.

[Bougainvillea]

I completely agree with Mars and Donkey on this one.

And from what I've seen, most people on here are not looking for religious advice. As said before, religious advice should be given to religious questions. In my opinion.

[AllThatIsLeft]

=o Society is made up of seperation Neverender, we have lower class, middle class, and upper class, and thoughs are seperated even more than that.(i really dont want to name them all) So I honestly don't see where your coming from.

There is a need Kaleidoscope Eyes. 1. I have seen many answers to peoples problems that don't even come CLOSE to actually solving the problem, and many come close to only making the problem worse if its not already that way. Yes I do see good advice every now and then, but honestly I see problems getting worse because of some of the advice given on the website rather than better. And thats not my bias speaking! Thats my common sense speaking! And if you think about it most all questions deal with religious views(and whether or not you believe this, even some medications can pertain to a more central religious belief.)

Mars have you ever really read most of this advice? Some of it holds nothing to it, and most the time just hurts the person more than helps, and most the time its advice that can only work for certain types of people, if you view differently then others than that advice won't work, and if you have more religious specific advice centers more people would be willing to bring it up.

So far the only really good point I've heard is from Kaleidoscope Eyes. And thats if people want religious specific advice then they will just ask for it. the others are just points that at many times(maybe not all the time) falls short.

I disagree, there isn't a need. Yes,I have seen many posts that can be considered "not the best" or "unhelpful", but some of us that see this always try to answer in ways that is clear and helpful. Some of the more experienced members, with a bit of knowledge don't mind sharing our view on things.

But really, the quality of the post has nothing to do with religious ground. It is simply lack of knowledge, or lack of experience.

Like Jessi said, a simple reference that a Christian opinion is required, on said thread is enough. But a section dedicated for it is not necessary.

[Antares]

Mars have you ever really read most of this advice? Some of it holds nothing to it, and most the time just hurts the person more than helps, and most the time its advice that can only work for certain types of people, if you view differently then others than that advice won't work, and if you have more religious specific advice centers more people would be willing to bring it up.

Okay, yes. I have read most of the advice on this forum considering I have been a member for two plus years. And you've been a member for how long??? Ten days?

You haven't even seen half of the advice that has ever given. So in addition to the fact that your post makes no sense...I am going to try to refute it.

This forum is for everyone. We can't discriminate because of religion. That would be pointless and rude. Especially when we have been a forum for five plus years providing advice. Now why all of a sudden would we provide "religion specific" advice???
Especially when Christians compose a very small part of VT. I am sorry but I don't imagine seeing this idea going through. What makes Christians so special that they get their own advice? You really aren't ruling the world and you aren't above anyone else.

Now, how can we help you and others what feel that everyones advice is insuffiencent for Christians?
1. Leave the forum and find a christian forum where people galavant around praising god.
2. Utilize the social groups and diary options that we have given Christian members.
3. Find someone that is christian that is willing to advise or counsel you.

Otherwise, i am pretty sure the threads/forums on vt will remain non-secular unless you specifically request otherwise when you post your thread.

[Bougainvillea]

Thank you, Mars. You just summed it all up! :)

[Rutherford The Brave]

If you give christians a forum to talk about things, then you must give other religions forums. Plus Christians don't need anything else, all they need is the big man and the man with the funny hat.

[Gumleaf]

i'm a christian myself and see where you are coming from. this may have been mentioned before but the bottom line is that this forum was created originally to help and support teens with mental illness. since then the site has grown to provide information on a range of topics that are of interest to the vast majority of members. many suggestions have been made in the past about all sorts of different topics that could be introduced as a new forum, but it all comes back to how much demand and how wide the interest would be. and in this case a forum dedicated to christianity isn't viable and wouldn't be active enough to be viable. like previous people have said, you can ask questions in the christianity social group (link provided earlier by maverick) or you could search for a christianity based forum. i know they are out there because i've seen them.

[Corey G.]

Ok I will repeat myself once again(I have to do this a lot lately) I put the topics name up as a generalzation, maybe I shoulda put it up there as something else like 'religious specific'. Because many times in my comments i bring up the idea of other religious affeliations as well as Christianity so i honestly don't see why thoughs comments continue

Also Native...your thinking of Catholics, not everyone bows down to the guy in the funny hat(aka the pope) honestly i think its quite foolish that there is even a pope.

Mars I'm not discrimitating like many times I have brought up the idea of other religous specific groups. PLEASE PPL PLEASE READ EVERYTHING!

Donkey you will be my favorite(honestly) of course its viewed by my opinion^^(so is all the other advice given) thats just foolish to say. and must I repeat myself honestly? Once again I said I joined to help others. And honestly man you havent even looked at half of that which is about me giving the person a helping hand, and my time to help them with the problem, even in a pm(you know where there wouldnt be so many posts) And the way you view Christianity is by the 'churchgoers'(I say churchgoes because I can't really say they aren't Christian, but I'm not sure that they are, because many times they thing all you have to do is go to church when church doesn't save you at all) It hurts me to see many things said. And no Donkey, thats not how a Christian forum would be, it would be full of people being compassionate and trully trying to help them out of a hurtful situation.(Sorry if this doesn't make sense, but 1. i hate repeating myself, and 2. I'm tired)(Oh and please block this topic its over, i mean over, I don't want to have a mental breakdown)

[Neverender]

=o Society is made up of seperation Neverender, we have lower class, middle class, and upper class, and thoughs are seperated even more than that.(i really dont want to name them all) So I honestly don't see where your coming from.

Let me see..

VT AS A COMMUNITY!! We are all considered equals on here. No matter if your racial background or if your poor. No one knows if someone is poor on here unless they announce it. No matter about post count or staff status. Everyone on VT is in an integrated community.

[Donkey]

Ok I will repeat myself once again(I have to do this a lot lately) I put the topics name up as a generalzation, maybe I shoulda put it up there as something else like 'religious specific'. Because many times in my comments i bring up the idea of other religious affeliations as well as Christianity so i honestly don't see why thoughs comments continue

Also Native...your thinking of Catholics, not everyone bows down to the guy in the funny hat(aka the pope) honestly i think its quite foolish that there is even a pope.

Mars I'm not discrimitating like many times I have brought up the idea of other religous specific groups. PLEASE PPL PLEASE READ EVERYTHING!

Donkey you will be my favorite(honestly) of course its viewed by my opinion^^(so is all the other advice given) thats just foolish to say. and must I repeat myself honestly? Once again I said I joined to help others. And honestly man you havent even looked at half of that which is about me giving the person a helping hand, and my time to help them with the problem, even in a pm(you know where there wouldnt be so many posts) And the way you view Christianity is by the 'churchgoers'(I say churchgoes because I can't really say they aren't Christian, but I'm not sure that they are, because many times they thing all you have to do is go to church when church doesn't save you at all) It hurts me to see many things said. And no Donkey, thats not how a Christian forum would be, it would be full of people being compassionate and trully trying to help them out of a hurtful situation.(Sorry if this doesn't make sense, but 1. i hate repeating myself, and 2. I'm tired)(Oh and please block this topic its over, i mean over, I don't want to have a mental breakdown)
And no Donkey, thats not how a Christian forum would be, it would be full of people being compassionate and trully trying to help them out of a hurtful situation?

Oh yeah, sorry, us non-Christians can't do that. Nope, your post didn't make sense. You do need opinions based on facts in your posts, not all the homosexuality nonsense you were coming up with.

[Corey G.]

Now your putting words in my mouth, i never said non-christians couldn't be compassionate, im just explaining how a Christian forum would be. And I think your definition of facts is messed up I think your using the definitions as 'anything that agrees with what I say' rather then 'things that point to the truth' now let me illistrate here, I say this, because you put no evidence against what I am saying, you only say I am wrong, and have no facts, rather then showing where the 'facts' I have placed are false, and why your facts are right.(PS Not all facts need evidence behind them some can be found through Logical reasoning) I will also like to add did you read anything I actually said or did you decided i was wrong, and then just right it out as non-facts?

Also, don't use the 'your sources are bias' argument, because you can't find a source that is not bias to some extent with someones background. Heck I even notice it in the 'general answers' i see so much.

[Zephyr]

As already pointed out,
You can utilize other things on this site such as being put on the waitng list for a diary,
Or creating a social group.
There's no huge demand for a Christian forum on here.
And as said before as well,
You give one religion their own forum, you've gotta give all the others a fair shot as well.

There is a VT Christians social group,
And there is even a diary that is dedicated to discussing different religions.

If you take a look at this poll:
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7985&page=53

There is no domineering religious group on this site.
And if we get a Christian forum,
It's just going to cause a lot of arguing,
And become a Christian vs. Atheist haven.

So we're going to stear clear of religious forums on the main page.
Utilize your freedom to blogs, diaries and social groups.