I need an answer

[ackmedsgirl666]

ok
so my friend who is a lesbian and has been for quite some time told me about transexuals like how they dress and stuff
i think she helped me because i realized that i maybe transexual
i have had thoughts of getting a sex change and i feel like at times i'm a man trapped in a womens body
does that seem right
does anyone else share similar feelings towards this topic
now i possibly have 2 labels
lesbian/bisexual
and transexual
i haven;t told my parents yet as they took quite a scare when i revealed my interest in girls
when should i tell them(cuz i think i finally understand)

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

Don't tell them unless you're absolutely positive. Just like coming out as gay, you don't want to rush into telling people that you're transsexual if you're uncertain. Otherwise, you may end up in a situation where you later come back and say, "Oops, I changed my mind, forget everything I said," which isn't ideal for anyone involved.

How you dress has very little to do with being transsexual, I think. It's sort of a stereotype. Some women who feel they were meant to be men will dress in a more masculine fashion, but so will some women who just like to dress that way. So, the way someone dresses probably isn't the best indicator.

I'd suggest looking online for support groups, if you can find an LGBT site with a large enough "T" population for you to feel like you have someone to talk to, go ahead and join. See how others came to the conclusion that their gender didn't match their sex, and ask about your own concerns. A sex-change operation is a HUGE step, and definitely not something you ever want to change your mind about after it's done. You need to be 18 before you can do that anyways, so you have at least a few years to think about it, but seriously: be sure.

I'm not saying that I don't believe you. All I am saying is that you need to take some time to make sure that this is who you are. ARE you comfortable as a woman? Can you imagine living as one into adulthood? Can you imagine being a man for the rest of your life? How do you think you'd feel? Those are some things you might want to think of before you start telling a lot of people.

[byee]

It takes time to sort all of this out, and as uncomfortable as it is to go thru that process, I'd recommend you do that. And until you've completed it (or at least gone thru enough of it to know for sure where you stand, not announce it). What you need is support and understanding and hopefully acceptance, and the best way to assure that is to believe with confidence and certainty who you are first.

I think that a lot of people get caught up with labels, needing to identify themself as 'something'. It clarifies their identity, it gives them some structure and resssurance, it stops the ambiguity. But in the end, it's just a word (or words). Regardless of what you call yourself, you are who you are, you are not defined by a word or phrase, by the clothes you wear, what your preference in love is, or your sexual organs.

So, maybe in the meantime, you can just be yourself, and do whatever feels comfortable for you, without 'calling' it anything, or doing anything that could interfere with the larger process of self exploration that results in a clear undertanding of who you are, without the labels. For now anyway.

[Raize]

Just to get it out of the way, "transsexual" isn't an orientation. It just means you were once male, and are now female (or the opposite way) Transgender is the correct term to use, unless you've had the surgery.

I happen to be a FTM transgender. Anyway, is really depends on how you feel on the inside. Do you really feel like a man on the inside? Do you want a boy body? Do you envy guy's when you see them? Is your first instinct to goto the men's restroom, or the men's clothing section? There's a lot of deep and complicated questions like that. You have to really think about it.

You shouldn't just jump into though. It takes a while. I "discovered" it when I was like 15, but then I just put it off, thought it was just hormones messing with me. But now, I'm 18 and I still feel the same way. The surgery is a huge leap. I know how you feel, about wanting to just dive in and get it. But it requires a butt-load of money and it's a huge life changing decision. You have to ask yourself, "Do I really want to be considered a man the left of my life, and tear apart my girl bits to achieve that?"

I really don't think you should tell much of anybody either. Sort it out a little, discuss it with strangers online. Then when you are comfortable and ready, you can be more open about it. Although, you're parents...I'd avoid telling them a while. At least not while your under their house. I haven't told my parents.

If you want to talk, you can PM me. I'll be really happy to help.

[guacamole24]

Just to get it out of the way, "transsexual" isn't an orientation. It just means you were once male, and are now female (or the opposite way) Transgender is the correct term to use, unless you've had the surgery.

I happen to be a FTM transgender. Anyway, is really depends on how you feel on the inside. Do you really feel like a man on the inside? Do you want a boy body? Do you envy guy's when you see them? Is your first instinct to goto the men's restroom, or the men's clothing section? There's a lot of deep and complicated questions like that. You have to really think about it.

You shouldn't just jump into though. It takes a while. I "discovered" it when I was like 15, but then I just put it off, thought it was just hormones messing with me. But now, I'm 18 and I still feel the same way. The surgery is a huge leap. I know how you feel, about wanting to just dive in and get it. But it requires a butt-load of money and it's a huge life changing decision. You have to ask yourself, "Do I really want to be considered a man the left of my life, and tear apart my girl bits to achieve that?"

I really don't think you should tell much of anybody either. Sort it out a little, discuss it with strangers online. Then when you are comfortable and ready, you can be more open about it. Although, you're parents...I'd avoid telling them a while. At least not while your under their house. I haven't told my parents.

If you want to talk, you can PM me. I'll be really happy to help.

I agree.

[Corey G.]

PLEASE READ!
1. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. It is in truth a search for the love of the same sex that you have never felt you have experienced, it is often Caused from the lack, or poor, same sex romodols.

2. Transexuality is a weird one, I have delt with friends that deal with this situation. The truth behind it may suprise you! It too is not born with, but must like homosexuality is learned over a period of time. It can just delve more heavily than the problem of Homosexuality.

3. Now lets look into the idea of Love(which many teens MUST understand) Love is NOT just merely the feeling of butterflies in your stomach.(and when we talk about love I am only talking about Romantic Love, not any of the other types) Love itself is something you choose, and because of this it can't even be a mere feeling in your gut, there has to be mental ramifications to it as well. For starters love takes work, without working on love you love will eventually die. It also takes will power and fighting against other things that get in the way(so the old saying 'im a lover not a fighter' isn't true to be a 'lover' you must be a 'fighter'). Now the things you must be willing to fight are things like, anger, lust, depression, etc.

Now why do the 3 of these matter? First to gain a better understanding of what your up against to better deal with it.(and if you have questions about them please ask through a pm so it doesnt get lost) Now I had to deal with the feeling of bisexuality so i have an idea of what your going through.(which what i have that is above some that are most likely filling your head with, 'its natural' and all that bull, is i defeated it.) The thing you must realize is a lot of this that is going on is being literally caused by yourself. Because in this battle you are facing yourself, and of course thats going to be hard, and the secret is perserverance. You can't give up even when it seems hard, and at times impossible(which trust me at times it will). But you have to remember its not, and many have faced this issue and have actually beat it!(one came to my school and talked about it) So its not impossible, it is possible to overcome it.

Now I do know that many of the people that read this are thinking 'THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY!' but I ask you this, why? Where do you get this information? From what you feel? but can what you feel be right? Because obviously others feel differently. So it turns into one perspective against another. UNLESS, the one perspective has a divine creator to back them up, and reasoning to believe in their view. (Which I do, which means i can actually say whether it is right or wrong, BECAUSE the one who made everything has told me what is and what is not, just like he has told all of us.(we just you know push that out to be you know 'our own person') I erge you to consider what I am saying to really think about it, even at times if it seems hard to read or understand. You are in my prayers.

[Raize]

PLEASE READ!
1. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. It is in truth a search for the love of the same sex that you have never felt you have experienced, it is often Caused from the lack, or poor, same sex romodols.

2. Transexuality is a weird one, I have delt with friends that deal with this situation. The truth behind it may suprise you! It too is not born with, but must like homosexuality is learned over a period of time. It can just delve more heavily than the problem of Homosexuality.



What the crap are you blabbing about? Your whole post made no sense. Number 3 I'll just ignore.

But where do you get the idea what 1 and 2 are learned behaviors?

[lamboman43]

PLEASE READ!
1. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. It is in truth a search for the love of the same sex that you have never felt you have experienced, it is often Caused from the lack, or poor, same sex romodols.

You dont "learn" homosexuality. You are born with it. It has nothing to do with role models. Do you think homosexuals like being gay? Some do some dont. If they had a choice most of them would be straight. No one likes being shunned out of society and that is exactly what society does to homoosexuals.

[Corey G.]

First off you can't be 'born' gay, for that to be even possible gay's would have to reproduce, but the thing is if they only 'like' the same sex, then it is VERY VERY VERY unlikely that they would reproduce. Meaning that 1. the gay gene would have been taken out of the human gene pool by now, or 2. there wouldn't be as many as there are right now. Second I get off saying it is a learned behavior for the fact that if you look into the past of someone who is gay you will see that many of them have similar stories about how they grew up.(Usually going around the idea I had said that the parent of same sex was a bad role model, or not there at all.) Now lets point out that if you were born gay that it would not be possible to become straight, but what many people on the gay side doesn't want you to know that there are people that were gay that became straight.(P.S. i would like to point out that at a point I was bi but no longer am I bi.

I would also like to point out that if you can be born gay, then the possibility also strikes that a murderer can be born with the want to murder, and a pedophile is born to be a pedophile. This can also be for theives, wife beaters, rapists, and so on. So if 1. you can accept that people can be born gay, then you must also accept that murderers can be born murderers. Which leads to 2. If they are born this way then why should we imprison them if they were born with the gene to kill?

Now lets look at the facts, 1. There seems to be a reacurring past in many in the Gay populace and that is, poor same sex romodels. 2. While with some it is caused by prolonged exposure to pornography(like mine was) causing them to tire of the old stuff, and look for something new to excite them. 3. Many times all that a gay person wants is to feel loved by the same sex, because he/she feels that they have been deprived all their life.

Now lets just say that you guys are right, and they are born gay, now I ask you so what? Because lets look at it first if there is no God, then there would be no way of saying what is right and what is wrong, all it would hinge on is opinion, yours versus mine, and lets face it neither of us could even begin to force our opinions on each other because neither really holds any weight.(In other words neither of us right or wrong, and at the same time in our own sense we are right) Now lets say there is a God. So obvioulsy since the way we were made(male for female and female for male) shows Gods intentions, and what he wanted. But because of the fall certain birth defects came to be, that originally God did not want in the beginning, but because we decided to sin, and turn from him. Because of this we are cursed and we are forced to deal with many problems.

Now lets look at what you said 'many gays don't even want to be gay' if so why do you tell them 'oh there there its ok to be gay'(Which I might add comes from your own sense of justice and is backed by no higher being) Where as I say 'you are not alone, there are many others who have faced this problem, and here I am by your side, to help you deal with this problem'. Now you tell them its ok to be what they don't want to be, where as I tell them(and many like me) I want to help you not be this way anymore, I will give you a helping hand. Now sure there are many other types out there but were dealing with the ones you mentioned.

Now I shall cover why I mentioned number 3. I mentioned this because I hear all the time about how 'I am forced to love someone of the same sex' or 'it is built into me to love someone of the same sex' or 'I just can't help but love this person of the opposite sex'. Now I know they didn't say it just like that and to be more accurate it would be 'I just can't help but love him'-said by a guy, and vise versa. Thats why number 3, is relevant to the situation at hand.

Now if you want I can take a more scientific approach to this, but I believe the origins that I have already brought up are sufficient enough.

[Raize]

You're an idiot. If you want to spew crap, do it in your blog, not in a post where somebody is asking for help.

Rapists ARE BORN rapists. Same with pedophiles. Same with everything! People who have problems like that, it doesn't matter what their background was like. You know how many school shootings have occurred, and they had a perfectly normal family? Same with gay people. They come from EVERYWHERE, all sorts of backgrounds. Same with transgenders! You're using such a bad argument for that.

If you were once bi, and aren't bi anymore, that means you weren't bi to begin with. You're hormones were flying around, you got mixed up, maybe a bit curious. But now they've died down. There's examples with that ALL AROUND. You're being so close minded and homophobic.

"1. There seems to be a reacurring past in many in the Gay populace and that is, poor same sex romodels. 2. While with some it is caused by prolonged exposure to pornography(like mine was) causing them to tire of the old stuff, and look for something new to excite them. 3. Many times all that a gay person wants is to feel loved by the same sex, because he/she feels that they have been deprived all their life."

All wrong. I have dis proven number 1, because you're too stupid to open your eyes and look around. 2. Excuse me? People have been looking at pornography for millions of YEARS. They've found cavemen carvings with 2 stick figures doing it! It's a normal thing. Straight, gay, bi people all look at it. It doesn't turn you into a transgender. YOU'RE BORN WITH IT. Ever heard of all the children's cases? You know, where they insist they be called a boy if a girl? Have they watched porn? No. Once again, you're answer has come from an extremely biased anti-porn site.

Those aren't facts at all. They're just a corrupt religious point of view. Scientists don't even know how gay people are born, but if you are gay you know you cannot control who you are attracted to. Unless, like I said, it was a phase of hormones that confused you. So it's stupid to argue against. And it is natural, because animals have it too. You know how many times I've seen our female guinea pigs trying to do each other? Same with smarter animals, like dogs.

It would only be un-natural to be attracted to small kids, or rocks, or animals. Because you cannot mate with them. No matter what gender you are, or what sexuality, if you look at a hot person, it's telling you "Yes! They will have your babies!" even if you don't want babies. That's why we get horny. Transgendered people had a mix up, but still have those same urges. So it's natural too.

I suggest, you leave, get the religious crap out of your head, then come back more open minded.

[Antares]

Homosexuality is beyond the control of the person. You saying that people "learn" to be homosexual shows your ignorance to the subject.

I ask you Corey. Were you born straight? Or did you choose to be straight? How exactly did you choose to be straight?

[Corey G.]

Raize please don't raise insults of that sort, they are not arguments, and another thing I'm trying to give them advice, and your the ones that attacked me to begin with. Secondly you use the term close minded at me, when you don't first look at the fact that you yourself are being close minded and forgetting what I said, we are a fallen race so even if they are born gay, it doesn't make the act any better.

Now I can tell you this, I'm happy you actually look at the case unlike some, and willing to accept that if you are able to be born gay, then the fact is same for rapists, murderers, pedophiles, etc.(which I must point out that you have completely ignored the idea of murderers being born that way, and ignored the genetic implications that I placed front.)

Now you say you have disproven this, but have you? All you have done is shown that there is an exception to the rule(which I never denied the possibility to begin with) actually on the contrary I gave you another way it can happen, and thats perversion. Now did I ever say that pornography is a NEW trend? No I did not, not even once did I even closely imply this. Another problem with this is it does not one bit disprove the my statement of pornography turning someone gay not once, but you take it as it did. Another thing with you Children cases, yes I have heard of them, heck theres a 11 year old at my church that sometimes insists it(big shocker he has a messed up family, and knows a whole lot of perverted jokes.) Not only that but did you know kids are having sex at 7 now? heck there have been cases of 9 year olds getting pregnant. Now the possibility doesn't leave that they could have had a traumatizing experience when they were younger(causing them to not feel loved but someone of the same sex). There is also a case that a child was raised where his mother hated him, and he had no father, this most likely caused him to feel unwanted, and that the only way to feel wanted was to become something else(preferably a member of the opposite sex, greatest way to change) now depending on the degree of trauma this can increase the speed to which it can accure.

Now I will cover your 'biased' facts and inform you on something, almost all facts are biased to an extent you cannot find a single one that is not biases by the views they have grown up with, to think so would be rather foolish of you(not that you yourself are foolish, just the act of believing this) Not only that but you put science to the seat that it can prove everything, when that is just not the case at all, it can only prove repeatable actions in the universe, nothing else, if it isnt repeatable than it cannot be proven by science, not only that but the statement itself is false 'science proves everything' its a self defeating statement, because science itself cannot prove that.

So we should lower ourselves to animals? May I add animals that also fell along with us? It seems you have completely ignored when I brought up the idea of the fall and how even if your born gay it is a cause of the fall and still shouldn't be accepted because it would be a fault none the less, to think that the human body can only be born perfectly in all cases, well if you ask me that is just abit foolish(once again not that you yourself are foolish, its the act that is foolish)

But can you really 'mate' with someone of the same sex? Because mating is a form of reproduction, but two people of the same sex cannot reproduce, its the same for Transexuals(if they get the sex change) so wouldn't even by your outlook Homosexuality, and things like it be un-natural?

Then you too would have to get out, because were both going from religious perspectives, you are coming from the side of Humanism, and I from Christianity.(which believe it or not Humanism(which is also caused by the idea of evolution) is a belief system and can therefore be considered a religion) And once again I was trying to give her helping advice, encouragement, and a hand in what she is dealing, i was just attacked by all of you forcing me to then defend my views.(which btw without God would be pointless because morality initself cannot be universal if there is no pillar to which you can place it)(Pillar being God of course or a higher being) Now I tell you this, I read from both sides, and look into both sides, which yes I must agree I go with it with Christianity, and God in my head making it biased, but I am looking at both sources, how is this in any stretch of the mind close-minded? Do you look at both sides? With no biased view before hand? I dout the most second.

And mars I tell you this, how can you be born with any outlook on sexual orientation? When all you know is to eat, poop, and sleep?
(I hope we all know when i say Transexual, i mean Transgender)

[Raize]

It's pointless to argue with you. It will do nothing. I'll spend all my time, closely reading your posts and typing out long-winded replies. But I know your type. You're a homophobic who tries to sound smart by bringing out "facts" then you throw religion in the mix which only further makes you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not wasting my anger or energy on you. I have better things to do than to argue with a rock over the internet.



and to the OP: GL to you. Just ignore the mess in your thread.

[Neverender]

First off you can't be 'born' gay, for that to be even possible gay's would have to reproduce, but the thing is if they only 'like' the same sex, then it is VERY VERY VERY unlikely that they would reproduce. Meaning that 1. the gay gene would have been taken out of the human gene pool by now, or 2. there wouldn't be as many as there are right now. Second I get off saying it is a learned behavior for the fact that if you look into the past of someone who is gay you will see that many of them have similar stories about how they grew up.(Usually going around the idea I had said that the parent of same sex was a bad role model, or not there at all.) Now lets point out that if you were born gay that it would not be possible to become straight, but what many people on the gay side doesn't want you to know that there are people that were gay that became straight.(P.S. i would like to point out that at a point I was bi but no longer am I bi.

I would also like to point out that if you can be born gay, then the possibility also strikes that a murderer can be born with the want to murder, and a pedophile is born to be a pedophile. This can also be for theives, wife beaters, rapists, and so on. So if 1. you can accept that people can be born gay, then you must also accept that murderers can be born murderers. Which leads to 2. If they are born this way then why should we imprison them if they were born with the gene to kill?

Now lets look at the facts, 1. There seems to be a reacurring past in many in the Gay populace and that is, poor same sex romodels. 2. While with some it is caused by prolonged exposure to pornography(like mine was) causing them to tire of the old stuff, and look for something new to excite them. 3. Many times all that a gay person wants is to feel loved by the same sex, because he/she feels that they have been deprived all their life.

Now lets just say that you guys are right, and they are born gay, now I ask you so what? Because lets look at it first if there is no God, then there would be no way of saying what is right and what is wrong, all it would hinge on is opinion, yours versus mine, and lets face it neither of us could even begin to force our opinions on each other because neither really holds any weight.(In other words neither of us right or wrong, and at the same time in our own sense we are right) Now lets say there is a God. So obvioulsy since the way we were made(male for female and female for male) shows Gods intentions, and what he wanted. But because of the fall certain birth defects came to be, that originally God did not want in the beginning, but because we decided to sin, and turn from him. Because of this we are cursed and we are forced to deal with many problems.

Now lets look at what you said 'many gays don't even want to be gay' if so why do you tell them 'oh there there its ok to be gay'(Which I might add comes from your own sense of justice and is backed by no higher being) Where as I say 'you are not alone, there are many others who have faced this problem, and here I am by your side, to help you deal with this problem'. Now you tell them its ok to be what they don't want to be, where as I tell them(and many like me) I want to help you not be this way anymore, I will give you a helping hand. Now sure there are many other types out there but were dealing with the ones you mentioned.

Now I shall cover why I mentioned number 3. I mentioned this because I hear all the time about how 'I am forced to love someone of the same sex' or 'it is built into me to love someone of the same sex' or 'I just can't help but love this person of the opposite sex'. Now I know they didn't say it just like that and to be more accurate it would be 'I just can't help but love him'-said by a guy, and vise versa. Thats why number 3, is relevant to the situation at hand.

Now if you want I can take a more scientific approach to this, but I believe the origins that I have already brought up are sufficient enough.

DONT YOU DARE PREACH RELIGIOUS SEXUALITY BULLSHIT. That is all crap. Your not gay im guessing, so dont talk about how gays are. :mad: :mad: Lots of people are gonna hate you, i can tell.

Why would someone choose to be gay? Especially since it is so badly taken by the general populace.

You believe what you want to believe, and i will do what i want. But i know thta i will never get through to you. So dont fucking preach to us. This isnt the place for a debate.

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp206/Newfie545/STFU_and_GTFO.jpg

[Corey G.]

I'm sorry that I started a debate and i wasn't preaching I was just pointing out different things, and problems with your train of thought, because this is a very serious thing to deal with. I didn't mean to anger anyone, i just ment to help a soul that was crying.

[Commander Thor]

I'm sorry that I started a debate and i wasn't preaching I was just pointing out different things, and problems with your train of thought, because this is a very serious thing to deal with. I didn't mean to anger anyone, i just ment to help a soul that was crying.

Pointing out problems with HIS train of thought?
It's your train of thought that is clouded, and biased.

Why don't you familiarize yourself with how human sexuality is developed, before making radical, and biased claims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation#Influences_on_sexual_orientation

[Corey G.]

Please read all that I have said...please...you would probably be saying something different.

Because I have said, you can't find a view that is not biased in a certain way, we all grow up with certain views to which we will view problems with. The reason you see it as biased is because its not your view, which I would have you to know I looked at pro Homosexuality resources as well.

(P.S. never use Wikipedia anyone can change anything they want so its not a reliable source)

[Commander Thor]

Wikipedia is a very realiable resource. Edits are usually corrected with a matter of minutes, on popular topics.
Or topics of a sensitive nature.
As there are MANY people (Such as myself) who actually care about getting **CORRECT** information.

Plus, you know those small little numbers, which are also links.
Yeah, those are cites to sources.

[Neverender]

I'm sorry that I started a debate and i wasn't preaching I was just pointing out different things, and problems with your train of thought, because this is a very serious thing to deal with. I didn't mean to anger anyone, i just ment to help a soul that was crying.

Damn, this has turned into a debate. Time to go to the ROTW

This is the sentence that set me off.

First off you can't be 'born' gay, for that to be even possible gay's would have to reproduce...

Well is it not possible to have a defective gene? One that may control homosexuality?

Or maybe the amount of hormones they were subject to changed their brain patterns.

Or just the natural wiring of the brains synapses caused this.

Or many more possible answers.


There are many different possibilities that could've been the making of someone into a gay person. Things that science doesnt know yet. Also, with that first sentence, maybe the person (who was gay) wanted a child, and she and a gay man had sex for the sake of pregnancy. that baby will most likely be straight. It could be gay, but probably by the same chances it will be born gay if concieved by a straight couple.

[Corey G.]

Damn, this has turned into a debate. Time to go to the ROTW

This is the sentence that set me off.



Well is it not possible to have a defective gene? One that may control homosexuality?

Or maybe the amount of hormones they were subject to changed their brain patterns.

Or just the natural wiring of the brains synapses caused this.

Or many more possible answers.


There are many different possibilities that could've been the making of someone into a gay person. Things that science doesnt know yet. Also, with that first sentence, maybe the person (who was gay) wanted a child, and she and a gay man had sex for the sake of pregnancy. that baby will most likely be straight. It could be gay, but probably by the same chances it will be born gay if concieved by a straight couple.

Your right thoughs are all possibilities, but the gay gene would still eventually be driven out of the human genome(via speciation) because it would have been a defective gene.(true defective genes are possible, but that doesnt make it necissariously right like i mentioned before we are imperfect.) But the reason i say and can say what i do is because I accept the idea of there being a God, and follow his laws. Because if there was no God then morality would be relative, and would not affect everyone. And once again don't look at this as a debate but rather a search for the truth so we may help other people, with more affective clearer understanding of the situation at hand.

[Corey G.]

Oh, I'm sorry.
Here's something that says the exact same thing: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761580700/Human_Sexuality.html

Btw, usually edits to Wikipedia, on large, popular, sensitive topics, are fixed within a matter of minutes. Not to mention, you have to cite EVERY source.

Yes but at times it can be over looked, I'm just saying as a research paper a source from wikipedia would cause you to fail)
Also all that link explained was how sexual organs and the such worked i dont see how its pro-homosexuality at all.

[Commander Thor]

Yes but at times it can be over looked, I'm just saying as a research paper a source from wikipedia would cause you to fail)

No, no it wouldn't.
A few years ago maybe, but more & more teachers are starting to list Wikipedia as an acceptable resource.

Also all that link explained was how sexual organs and the such worked i dont see how its pro-homosexuality at all.

I'm aware.
That's why I edited the post to reflect that.
That link was just a quick grab about sexuality, skimmed over it, saw something about development, and decided to post it.
Aftewards, I actually read it, realized it wasn't about the development of the attraction of genders, but rather about the development of the physical sexuality.

[Corey G.]

Yeah i do not view highly on teachers>.> seeing how I'm smarter then most in my school, and thats just sad.(this is not by any means me saying I'm smart.) I think we should continue any debate on pms as to not waiste valuable space on this persons cry for help, if it turns into a debate page we might just harm the person rather than help and i think we should be trying to help her not fighting among ourselves, so we should move to pms

[Neverender]

Your right thoughs are all possibilities, but the gay gene would still eventually be driven out of the human genome(via speciation) because it would have been a defective gene.(true defective genes are possible, but that doesnt make it necissariously right like i mentioned before we are imperfect.)

I'm not saying its always been there and is being bred out, Im saying that it could just appear in the genome. Like Downs Syndrome, or Autism, or Huntington's Chorea, or Multiple Scelorosis.

(Not saying that being gay is comparative to those diseases, respectively.)

[EverlostPoet]

Wikipedia is a very realiable resource. Edits are usually corrected with a matter of minutes, on popular topics.
Or topics of a sensitive nature.
As there are MANY people (Such as myself) who actually care about getting **CORRECT** information.

Plus, you know those small little numbers, which are also links.
Yeah, those are cites to sources.

sorry this is completely off topic but im going to tell you thats a HUGE lie, Wiki is NEVER a good source.

[dstnyisurs]

PEOPLE - getting off topic here!
Love, my advice is to wait, think, and talk to some people. Hold off on telling your parents. Really THINK. The operation is a huge step. You don't want to rush into it.

[IAMWILL]

This is turning into a giant debate, but I think the OP has had sufficient advice, so I will lock this when i'm done.

Corey G: just because people have read your post and disagree doesn't mean they haven't read it.

Everyone: if you don't agree with someone elses opinion, take it to the PM system or ignore it.

:locked: