Prostitution

[Music Lover]

First of all, moid please move this thread if it is misplaced.
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Yeah, I sometimes wonder, why on earth is prostitution illegal. I mean if a Woman wants to sell her body, then let her.

And another question, why do most blames go towards the woman? The man was also part of the 'crime'!

[Patchy]

Moved to ROTW.

Just a nice reminder, this is a sensitive topic and if any explicit stories/posts are made the thread will be locked.

[LiGHT]

I think because sex was original just for starting a family and I think the people who made the law wanted to keep it that way instead of paying someone for sex.

[Death]

Personally, I think that this is just another one of those pointless laws you get in today's society. If 2 people agree to have a good time and a few coins of notes change hands, of who's business is it?

[LiGHT]

Its really no ones business but its against some religions.

[Antares]

It is illegal because when it first started and was in the process of being outlawed, you often had men that were already married with kids going out to screw some other chick. That is what wrecks homes. Also, the prostitutors could bear illegitimate babies and we don't want that either.

Every law is for a reason. I personally think that prostitution is fine for the woman. I mean she obviously needs the money to force herself to do it but on the other side of the fence, there are men that feed this. These men can often be wholesome family men. Our society doesn't like cheaters. So thats why I think its fine. And I don't mind it being outlawed

[Sapphire]

It isn't actually illegal to pay for sex in the UK but nearly everything else in connection with prostitution is (e.g. soliciting etc). There have been articles which indicate that the number of men visiting prostitutes in the UK has doubled over the past 10 years.

Prostitution is a degrading thing to have to resort to. It isn't glamourous. It isn't desirable. Women are trafficked across continents and forced into prostitution. This is only increased when prostitution is made somewhat legal.
Also, what difference would legalising it make to the situations these women end up in? None.

Sweden have the right idea. They see prostitution as an abuse of women by men and their laws outlaw the men that visit prostitutes rather than the women themselves. Because of this, the amount of men who use prostitutes has decreased and the number of women trafficked into the country for prostitution will also decrease.

[sebbie]

Well in the past sex outside of marriage was seen as immoral, due to religion, the way society at the time saw things etc. I am guessing this is why it was outlawed.

At the end of the day it is our own body and we have the choice of what to do with it, just people should be ready to deal with the consequences that could arise from it.

[YourFriend]

it isn't illegal everywhere, but there is no point in making it illegal anyway...

[Sapphire]

it isn't illegal everywhere, but there is no point in making it illegal anyway...
Explain

[INFERNO]

I find it to be a degrading act, both for the prostitute and for the person(s) paying. It can cause instability in families, lead to unwanted pregnancies and possibly abortions, can be great for tossing around whatever STDs and such you have, and so forth. Also, in the past, it was also seen as degrading to a point where the person wouldn't be considered a person in my opinion. That view probably has some weight in modern times also and so it is considered illegal. People would want it removed from society so making it legal would do the opposite.

I'm unsure on it really. On one hand, if people want to exchange money and fluids, then that's their business. But on the other hand, if it is allowed, then I can only imagine it being more common and resulting in a nation that is seen as filthy.

[Bougainvillea]

Our society doesn't like cheaters.

I don't think our society likes whores either...

[Whisper]

it promotes illegal human trafficking (talk about hell)
women and in allot of cases minors are forced into it by pimps
it supports gangs and drug cartel
it spreads disease

It should not be tolerated
PERIOD

[MoveAlong]

I think prostitutuion could be regulated. It could be taxed. Prostitutes could also undergo mandatory checkups to make sure that they're certified. If people were smarter about it, it could be a good thing, instead of a sleazy thing.

[The Batman]

I agree with Zach fully. This could be easily regulated and turned into something not so bad. If someone wants to get paid for sex it should be their right. I would probably do it if it's legal.

[Whisper]

yes because nobody's ever tried that :roll:
All throughout history thats been attempted
it's never worked
the gangs
the forced trade etc always explodes whenever anything but zero tolerance is taken really


God look at ancient Venice
they loved taxing everything
especially prostitution
...didnt work so well

there are many ancient and modern countries that have tried
or are trying
like The Netherlands


its never a "clean" business

[MoveAlong]

I'm not saying we should do that now. We have a hell of a lot of problems going on right now so it's rediculous to think about doing it right now (that's what she said).
I still think it could work out.

[Sapphire]

Countries which have made moves towards legalising it have experienced increases in the trade. The only approach to effectively reduce prostitution is outlawing it completely and punishing the man. That must be evidence enough that legalising it won't work.

[Whisper]

I'm not saying we should do that now. We have a hell of a lot of problems going on right now so it's rediculous to think about doing it right now (that's what she said).
I still think it could work out.

If its never worked well consistently throughout all of recorded human history
based on the track record....When exactly would be a good time?

just curious

[MoveAlong]

a better time.
I'm not here to debate, I was here to express my opinion, and that's my opinion.

[Sapphire]

But what makes you think that legalising it will improve matters?

[MoveAlong]

Never said that it would improve "matters", whatever the heck that means.
It could be good.

[Sapphire]

How could legalising prostitution be good?

[MoveAlong]

It could be taxed. It could be regulated. You're just thinking totally about the bad side of it.
I ain't gonna continue to talk about it in this thread. PM me if you want to talk about prostitutes, honey.

[Raize]

Probably to prevented STD's and try to lessen unwanted pregnancies.

Those are silly reasons though. I can't see why prostitution isn't legal. It's a personal choice. I mean really...it can be regulated and such.

[Sapphire]

In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%. There are other major Swedish cities where street prostitution has all but disappeared. Gone too, for the most part, are the renowned Swedish brothels and massage parlors which proliferated during the last three decades of the twentieth century when prostitution in Sweden was legal.

[...]

Legalization and/or regulation of prostitution, according to the study, led to:


A dramatic increase in all facets of the sex industry,
A dramatic increase in the involvement of organized crime in the sex industry,
A dramatic increase in child prostitution,
An explosion in the number of foreign women and girls trafficked into the region, and
Indications of an increase in violence against women.



Source: http://www.justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html

[Death]

If people say that prostitution is illegal due to religion (take Christianity for instance; it hates pretty much everything that's different to the authors of 'The Bible'), that is seriously insulting our society. Although yes, there can be many problems with it but after all, they are both agreeing to have sex and thus, any damage that is done is done only to them and they would have chosen for that to happen.

[Sapphire]

If people say that prostitution is illegal due to religion (take Christianity for instance; it hates pretty much everything that's different to the authors of 'The Bible'), that is seriously insulting our society. Although yes, there can be many problems with it but after all, they are both agreeing to have sex and thus, any damage that is done is done only to them and they would have chosen for that to happen.
Since when have women and kids trafficked for prostitution been able to consent properly?

[Whisper]

Carole, I think people get the idea
all you're doing is repeating yourself
stop attacking everyone

[Sapphire]

I'm not attacking anyone, thank you Cody.

[Death]

Since when have women and kids trafficked for prostitution been able to consent properly?

Why must this be the case? If any illegal substances have been used against one's will in order to trick people into prostituion then that's a completely different matter. Did I say that even drugged people (moreover children and females) can give concent? No, so I have no idea where you're getting this from. 2 sane people who give concent for sex while a few coins or notes change hands is theri choise and they are choosing live with the natural (as in fanily relationships and pregnancy - not the overly nosey law) consequences.

[Sapphire]

Why must this be the case? If any illegal substances have been used against one's will in order to trick people into prostituion then that's a completely different matter. Did I say that even drugged people (moreover children and females) can give concent? No, so I have no idea where you're getting this from. 2 sane people who give concent for sex while a few coins or notes change hands is theri choise and they are choosing live with the natural (as in fanily relationships and pregnancy - not the overly nosey law) consequences.
I never mentioned drugs.
I was talking about people who had been trafficked from different countries specifically for the purpose of prostitution. These people are given very little choice in the matter and are often subject to violence or threats of violence.

Prostitution isn't harm free. Women experience both sexual and physical abuse from clients. They don't want to have sex either and this has repercussions on their mental health with substance/alcohol abuse increasing with their participation in prostitution and unhealthy coping mechanisms such as dissociation.

[Bougainvillea]

Since when have women and kids trafficked for prostitution been able to consent properly?

I think he was speaking in terms of people who chose to do it on their own.

[Death]

Merchant194's correct; I was referring to prostitution where both want to have sex - not rape like you are effectively mentioning.

[Sapphire]

Merchant194's correct; I was referring to prostitution where both want to have sex - not rape like you are effectively mentioning.
In reality that is hardly ever the case.
Over 90% of prostitutes want to stop it immediately. That shows that women don't want to be prostitutes.

[Reality]

I think the law shouldn't care about prostitution. If a woman wants to sell her body for some desperate man, they should let her.

Not all prostitutes are being held against their will as part of some ring, or getting drugged, and anyway some prostitutes need the money because they have kids and can't get a job, etc.

It will still happen, whether or not its' outlawed. So mehhh.

[Bougainvillea]

In reality that is hardly ever the case.
Over 90% of prostitutes want to stop it immediately. That shows that women don't want to be prostitutes.

But they still chose to! Because they don't want to doesn't mean they're being forced by some other person. It's their need for money.

[Sapphire]

Prostitution is an act of violence against women which is intrinsically traumatizing. In a study of 475 people in prostitution (including women, men, and the transgendered) from five countries (South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, USA, and Zambia):

62% reported having been raped in prostitution.
73% reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution.
72% were currently or formerly homeless.
92% stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately.
(Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426

Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)

The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their pimps?" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women stay with their batterers?" (Melissa Farley, 1996) Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (Dee Graham with Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)

Like combat veterans, women in prostitution suffer from posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), a psychological reaction to extreme physical and emotional trauma. Symptoms are acute anxiety, depression, insomnia, irritability, flashbacks, emotional numbing, and being in a state of emotional and physical hyperalertness. 67% of those in prostitution from five countries met criteria for a diagnosis of PTSD – a rate similar to that of battered women, rape victims, and state-sponsored torture survivors. (Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426

All of this ^ hardly sounds like "choosing" to stay in prostitution. If anything, it shows that they don't "choose" to keep doing it and are in need of help, not stigmatisation.

[Death]

But if 2 people do want to (I don't care how rare you believe this is), then that is no-one's business but their's.

[nick]

Women are trafficked across continents and forced into prostitution.
A word or two of support for Carole here.

Its a terrible business trading in human degradation and misery. Young girls get kindnapped or sold in to slavery. They have no choice. Run away teens get exploited and trapped in a downwards spiral.

And what sort of person would want to sleep with a prostitute anyway?

[Sapphire]

But if 2 people do want to (I don't care how rare you believe this is), then that is no-one's business but their's.
The law has to protect the people. It shouldn't put the majority of a population at risk because a tiny minority do it completely of their own accord.

[Reality]

And what sort of person would want to sleep with a prostitute anyway?
Sex addicts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_addict) and people that are badly desperate, of course.

The law has to protect the people. It shouldn't put the majority of a population at risk because a tiny minority do it completely of their own accord.
Yeah, true. But it isn't a tiny minority, many many many prostitutes also do it of their own accord, especially in countries like ours.

[L]

Personally, I think that this is just another one of those pointless laws you get in today's society. If 2 people agree to have a good time and a few coins of notes change hands, of who's business is it?

i agree

[Bougainvillea]

And what sort of person would want to sleep with a prostitute anyway?

Oh, I don't know...an asshole maybe. It's disgusting. I don't see how people can either.