United States Ports/Dubai

[kolte]

It rele bugs me that recently he sold or did something of that nature the ports of New York and New Jersey and other places. He was selling it to i think some arab country. I find this the stupiest thing he has ever done and it has angered many many many Americans. He deserves to be impeached lol

what good will come out of bushes impeachment, it will just get worse and worse, it will cause way to much trouble. You misunderstand, a privet company from Dubai a city in the UAE, an arab nation is buying about 21 ports world wide, I believe 6 of which are major ports in the united states. The united states congress is resenting the trasaction because they feel that Dubai owned US ports would leave us open to terror attacks. I for one agree that this leaves us rather open to attack, but I trust the white house's choice, and I think that if the bush administration allows this, then they must feel the UAE is safe. So I side with President Bush. After all, we don't want to send out the message that American Markets are closed to International business.

[Glasgow]

Im canadien so i don't really care :P

[WelshLad]

im british so i dont really care either

[kolte]

im british so i dont really care either

but they are buying british and canadian ports as well........so perhaps you should?

[Gothic_Knight]

There's really not much to argue about here...a private company already owns those ports (Britain, I think).

This is more of the administration's "fear campaign" backfiring on them. They've done a lot to convince that stripping away some personal freedoms was needed to keep our country safe...but now it looks like it failed. Big time. This is a private transaction between two foreign companies, anyway. I don't really think there's much one could do about it...

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

I cant beleive Bush is doing this. I mean Dubai was homeland for terrorists that hijacked the 2 planes for the 9/11 disaster. Bush says that they are our allies so they should be able to handle it, but i think if they are our allies that they can have the maturity to respect our choice in not allowing them to have port control based on all of our fears. and for those that dont care because ur in other countries, well NYC is one of the top cities in the world and when things go bad here, things go bad lots of other places too. and one of the ports that would be controlled by the U.A.E would be the port in the center of NYC.

[kolte]

I cant beleive Bush is doing this. I mean Dubai was homeland for terrorists that hijacked the 2 planes for the 9/11 disaster. Bush says that they are our allies so they should be able to handle it, but i think if they are our allies that they can have the maturity to respect our choice in not allowing them to have port control based on all of our fears. and for those that dont care because ur in other countries, well NYC is one of the top cities in the world and when things go bad here, things go bad lots of other places too. and one of the ports that would be controlled by the U.A.E would be the port in the center of NYC.

those terrorists had passports from dubai, they were from another country. the bomber of oklahoma city had an american passport, I guess that means america cant own the port either, seeing as how american's have been terrorists.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

ok, im not saying it like that. idk i personally cant stand politics. why cant people get along together :cry:

[Webbeardthepirate]

First to answer Billy Witch Doctor.com: Ultra megachicken, we must never speak of it, is only a myth. *cough* I mean people aren't supposed to get along. Every one has different tastes and priorities, thats why Demand Curves slope downward. As long as government is in the business of robbing from the rich to give to the middle class, politics will be prety contentious.

As for the Dubai Port Deal, i have to say, I am ambivolent about this one. There are so many reasons for and against it.

By the Way Welsh Lad, this is the buyout of the LAST British port management comapany.

The UAE is an important ally for the united states. These ports will be important leverage we can hold over them to assure their continued cooperation. the UAE is also the only arab nation that lets US customes agents inspect cargo bound for the US at the Port of Dubai. Good for finding bombs before they get to your harbor, no? So strengthening our ties with the modern foraward thinking nation of UAE seems like a good idea to me. Dubai is home to the worlds largest indoor ski slope by the way, 22 stories high and airconditioned to 26 degrees F.

On the other Hand, the top managers will be from the UAE. And while I trust the nation, I don't really trust the people. Furthermore Dubai was a major intersection for Sadam Hussein to import weapons and other items forbidden under the oil for food program, or as I like to call it, Graft for UN program. While we still set the security measures, and the costguard is in charge, they would be in charge of implementing the security measures. And of course secrecy is our best weapon against would be terrorists. If they don't know what we know, and they know they don't know, then we know they have to hesitate, move caustiosly, and still might pick them up. But if they know what we know, they can devise a work around. So all we need is for some sympathetic clerk from Indonisia or where ever they are getting their workers these days, to slip alquada the security proceedures. Once they have the plans its just a matter of manuverign their X-wings along the trench to the secondary exhast port below the main port. It is ray shielded so they will have to use their torpedoes. But a direct hit will start a chain reaction all the way to the station's core.

Or something like that. As i said, I'm ambivolent about this one.

[Dfsg]

I'm of the mind that we are rushing to make a decision in favor or against a port sale. We should give it a few months, research into the safety of the UAE's other ports, and make a decision based on their findings.

The UAE deal isn't as big an issue as it is being made out to be.

[kolte]

I'm of the mind that we are rushing to make a decision in favor or against a port sale. We should give it a few months, research into the safety of the UAE's other ports, and make a decision based on their findings.

The UAE deal isn't as big an issue as it is being made out to be.

we don't have months, its allready setteled on an economic standpoint, we have but a short while.....a very short while.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

yes, that is why it is such a big deal. im sure the government would go in and research aspects of the U.A.E's security programs and their status if they had time, but that time isnt exactly there for convenient use.

[Webbeardthepirate]

Well, the Wall street Journal had an artical about the deal last October. So we've known about it for a while. The Coast Guard, which apperently handles port security had questions as of Dec. 15, but those have since been resolved. It was only after the deal was signed and aproved by all regulatory agencies that any one in the television media even noticed. The Wall Street Journal is a big newspaper with significant readership.

CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and FOX have really been letting us down lately. As have the Newyork times and Washington Post etc. I mean CBS forges documents and Dan Rather gets forced out. NBC has been caught blowing things up for rateings, but its been years. The New York Times seems jealouse of the Daily Show and the Onion being able to just make news up. And Dick Cheney shoots a man and the Washington Post doesn't notice. Would still be clueless if they hadn't been scooped by a little paper in Corpus Christy Texas who beat them using that old staple of investigative journalism "answering the Phone and writing down what your told."

Our Media sucks wet horse balnkets, and this Dubai Termininal opperations deal is a continuing example of just how much it sucks.

I want to hit them with one of their own newspapers rolled up like I'd hit a naughty puppy. "Bad! Bad Media, no ratings!"

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i get what u meant when u copied my thing up there..i didnt rele know everything when i posted that...it juts annoyed me cause i live in nj and its just easy for terrorists to come and and it just bugged me lol

[kolte]

Yeah, but the thing is, the UAE isn’t a running ground for terrorist activity. I understand that people are uncomfortable with an Arab country running US ports, but you have to understand, this should not be a governmental issue. This is one Privet British company selling its company, to a Privet Arab company. If the company was based out of Iran, I can understand the hustle, but its based out of the UAE an ally of the united states. Shame on congress for there very insulting retaliation and “Arab bashing” behavior.

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i know, its just a shot in the dark the UAE is suddenly a ally after nvr really talking to us and sorts. I get what u mean, but i didnt think it was a good move

[kda2011]

Ok... Impeaching bush is not the answer. Considering the fact that we are having problems with Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and many more countries... I think the reason why so many people voted for bush in 04 is because in a middle of a war switching presidents is a bad idea... Thats just my opionion

[Webbeardthepirate]

Well, its over any ways. Dubai Ports World announced that they will not be taking over the management of any us shipping terminals after they complete their purchase of the british company that currently owns the terminals. They will be divesting themselves of US assets. I'm disapointed. Legistlation that kept state owned comapanies from owning shipping terminols would have pissed off the Chinese. They own Los Angeles, Sanfrancisco, Portland and Seattle port terminals. Oh well.

Arrr. The Topic has become Moot! Drop the achor on this one Cap'n Koler. The wind has gone out of 'er sails and the storms of debate and de'cussin seems to be well over. Aye. The Dubai port topic has been becalmed.

[kda2011]

Trust me this all if far from over. Even though Bush has said that we have sent the wrong message, and BLAH BLAH BLAH. I dont think this will be setteled for a long time[/quote]

[Webbeardthepirate]

There may be actual reprisals from Dubai, hard to say. Maybe they will support the venezualen plan to cut oil pproduction because the pinko commie bastard Hugo Chavez hates us. I'm not a big fan of him either, if you couldn't tell. Not that it matters, every one in OPEC cheats except for Saudi Arabia and produces more then their quotas. Actually every one is producing at max capacity already.

But there is rumor that Bush asked the Dubai ports persons to withdraw in order to avoid having to have a show down, and because they like Bush they did so, but are still pissed at our congress. Besides, all they were doing was taking over opperations of a dock, a shipping terminal. There isn't alot of money in it but if you can have the same management system at two ports you can cooridinate shipments and increase profits. That's all they wanted to do.

And then we could sail in and take their booty with our creditcards arrr! and then decalre bankruptcy to avoid payin'. Take that ya forin devils!