On the significance(or lack therof) of Humanity

[JacobHerrington]

Humans in the grand scale have no value. We are little more than decaying organic matter. We may be intelligent but we are no more important that the average house cat or a fly on the wall. For example take two men one is rich ,powerful and influential,the other is poor,and powerless. However they are both equal. How is the so you ask? Because they are both going to die evntally.
In the grand scale of time,they both mean nothing.

That is my opinion anyway.

Any body else care tho share theirs?

[Iron Man]

what the fuck are you getting at?

[JacobHerrington]

what the fuck are you getting at?

that humanity is insignificant

[Sapphire]

No life is insignificant.
Particularly when we have such huge effects on the Earth.

[INFERNO]

While they both will die eventually, they are unequal in that while they are living, they can do different things which can affect others. For example, take someone such as Einstein. He died and so did other humans, so according to you, they are equal. However, if we take some poor, powerless individual vs. Einstein, despite Einstein being dead, he has done things that continue to affect others even though he himself is dead, that is, after his death, he still continues in a way. If we look at the poor, powerless person who has done diddly shit, then they have not provided something to allow them to continue on after their death. In that respect, they are unequal. The time of their death doesn't matter, the poor, powerless guy could have lived to be 99-years old which is nice and impressive but that does not really carry themselves on after their death.

You can argue that in 100,000 years, then perhaps both of them will be forgotten about, however, they still are unequal. Despite both being forgotten about, Einstein continued for much longer than the other person did.

So in your view, yes they are equal in that they both have been forgotten about but they are unequal in that after their deaths, only one continued far longer than the other.

[JacobHerrington]

No life is insignificant.
Particularly when we have such huge effects on the Earth.

Yes we do have an impact. But it means nothing when the next cataclysm wipes us off the face of the earth.

[Sage]

Humans in the grand scale have no value. We are little more than decaying organic matter. We may be intelligent but we are no more important that the average house cat or a fly on the wall. For example take two men one is rich ,powerful and influential,the other is poor,and powerless. However they are both equal. How is the so you ask? Because they are both going to die evntally.
In the grand scale of time,they both mean nothing.

That is my opinion anyway.

Any body else care tho share theirs?

UUUUUUUGH. NIHILISM!

Excuse me for a moment as I go bash my head against a wall. After all, who gives a flying fuck?

Okay, I feel better now. Meaning is a human concept. It's subjective. What you may consider meaningful may be meaningless to someone else- one man's trash is another man's treasure. What are you comparing humans to, anyway? Nothing alone has a face value, everything is compared to something else. Your philosophy is an unfulfilling and self-defeating one and it's an attitude like that that will turn us into exactly what you claim we already are- nothing.

I think I need to go bash my head against the wall a few more times.

[JacobHerrington]

UUUUUUUGH. NIHILISM!

Excuse me for a moment as I go bash my head against a wall. After all, who gives a flying fuck?

Okay, I feel better now. Meaning is a human concept. It's subjective. What you may consider meaningful may be meaningless to someone else- one man's trash is another man's treasure. What are you comparing humans to, anyway? Nothing alone has a face value, everything is compared to something else. Your philosophy is an unfulfilling and self-defeating one and it's an attitude like that that will turn us into exactly what you claim we already are- nothing.

I think I need to go bash my head against the wall a few more times.
My point exactly, we are nothing. we mean nothing.
There is nothing in our future but destruction.
In the end all we have to look forward to is death.

[Sage]

Alas i am a nihilisit so thats my point exactly, we are nothing. we mean nothing.
There is nothing in our future but destruction.
In the end all we have to look forward to is death.

Then why wait, buddy?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nihilism.png

[Sapphire]

I agree with Deschain.
If there is no meaning or significance in our lives and death is all we have to look forward to is death, why are you and others who follow the same line of thought waiting?

[JacobHerrington]

Then why wait, buddy?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nihilism.png

That comic strip makse an interesting point.
Dont get my wrong, Just becuse we are going to die eventally doest mean we souldn't enjoy life while we have it.
and we shouldnt rush to death either.
However i stand by what I said before.

[INFERNO]

My point exactly, we are nothing. we mean nothing.
There is nothing in our future but destruction.
In the end all we have to look forward to is death.

Now I'm curious. If we are nothing, then why not just take ourselves out now? What drives us (in this case you) to continue living even when you state that you are nothing? If we as a human race adopted your views, then why don't we all just end each other and ourselves? As we all do not do this, then there must be something we look forward to or we have some significance. Why do doctors help ill patients hopefully become healthy?

[Camazotz]

According to your concept, since everything has an end, nothing has meaning. We may not impact our future 500 million years from now, but we do have an impact on tomorrow, and I'd rather have tomorrow be a happy day rather than sulk that I have no meaning.

[byee]

I read a simply fascinating paper at Princeton that argued quite convincibly that Man is the only species that would not be missed, that the planet would actually be better off, if he were to become extinct. Think about that.

[INFERNO]

I read a simply fascinating paper at Princeton that argued quite convincibly that Man is the only species that would not be missed, that the planet would actually be better off, if he were to become extinct. Think about that.

That paper sounds interesting but I'm curious, who is there to miss humans if humans are gone? Is the paper addressing other animals and if not, then who is the paper in reference to? The planet probably would be better off because although humans are able to aid other animals and plants, we also are quite good at ravaging the Earth compared to the damage done by other animals and plants.

[JacobHerrington]

I read a simply fascinating paper at Princeton that argued quite convincibly that Man is the only species that would not be missed, that the planet would actually be better off, if he were to become extinct. Think about that.

hmmm thats very interesting.
is that paper alvible on a website?
if you could please link it to me

[punkjake]

Humans in the grand scale have no value. We are little more than decaying organic matter. We may be intelligent but we are no more important that the average house cat or a fly on the wall. For example take two men one is rich ,powerful and influential,the other is poor,and powerless. However they are both equal. How is the so you ask? Because they are both going to die evntally.
In the grand scale of time,they both mean nothing.

That is my opinion anyway.

Any body else care tho share theirs?

Who gives you the fucking right to say that?You aren't a higher being or a God are you?Ok everything is connected so yes one person even a Hobo has a big effect,Example: When nite Bob had to work late ,so when he left a bus was about to hit him,a bus driver knew that if he stopped all the people would be killed(on the bus)But he did it anyway and they flew off a cliff.Bob goes home ,he one one million dollar's,Bob was really educed and deiced to run as president!He stopped what was going to be a End of the World disaster(umm a new bomb was made that would create a Black hole)but he had to sacrifice himself in order to do that so he did,which then the world realized that violents and dirreance don't require dieing for so then came world peace.Know if Jim had came to work then bob wouldn't have caused all those people do die which then he would be eating with his wife and would be home to get the million dollar's and then become president to save the world so then came world peace and trying to help on another.How on Earth can you tell me people don't a big differance because in 100000 years those people would be around to know anything about anything since there dead.Also if we have no value,including you why should we listen to you ;) since you are just worth a fly on the wall.Yes people may not be remembered but doesn't mean they are worthless

[Rutherford The Brave]

People arent worthless, we are all destined to do something whether that be something small and highly unnoticable in the grand scheme of things. Some are destined to do great things, but we most certainly are important thats for sure. No life is ever worthless, we are animals and are main purpose as Darwin said is to reproduce and carry on. It might seem stupid but its true, we are born to do that. Still we definatly all are going to do something. We are humans, we maybe be one many billion but we are humans. We are on this earth to do what we can, not to sit and rot. Sadly your wrong and god has nothing to do with this.

[Camazotz]

While humans as a whole may not be important to other species of animals, we are important to each others' existence and feelings, and I think that's all that matters.

[Sage]

Who gives you the fucking right to say that?You aren't a higher being or a God are you?Ok everything is connected so yes one person even a Hobo has a big effect,Example: When nite Bob had to work late ,so when he left a bus was about to hit him,a bus driver knew that if he stopped all the people would be killed(on the bus)But he did it anyway and they flew off a cliff.Bob goes home ,he one one million dollar's,Bob was really educed and deiced to run as president!He stopped what was going to be a End of the World disaster(umm a new bomb was made that would create a Black hole)but he had to sacrifice himself in order to do that so he did,which then the world realized that violents and dirreance don't require dieing for so then came world peace.Know if Jim had came to work then bob wouldn't have caused all those people do die which then he would be eating with his wife and would be home to get the million dollar's and then become president to save the world so then came world peace and trying to help on another.How on Earth can you tell me people don't a big differance because in 100000 years those people would be around to know anything about anything since there dead.Also if we have no value,including you why should we listen to you ;) since you are just worth a fly on the wall.Yes people may not be remembered but doesn't mean they are worthless

No matter how many times I read this, your post still makes absolutely no sense to me.

[Atonement]

No matter how many times I read this, your post still makes absolutely no sense to me.

QTF

I agree that without humans, Earth would be better off. And on the huge scale, humans have been around for nearly 0.00011% of the Earth's existence, and 0.00013% of the existence of life... assuming I did my math right.. I hope I did or I'd sound dumb. Anyway, on the huge scale, we are insignifcant, but we have made the biggest impact on the Earth, so it depends on what you define as insignificant.

[Bougainvillea]

Uhh. I've told you like twice before, all life has value. We are not insignificant. Yes, we may be insignificant to animals. But, to each other. We're not. Because we created technology that helps save lives. :) That's NOT insignificant

[Sapphire]

I would argue that we are significant to animals because we impact them all the time.
I mean we feed them, breed them, care for them, live among them, capture them, hunt them and eat them. We have pushed many species to the brink of extinction and are helping many thrive again.
How does any of this make us insignificant to them?

[Bougainvillea]

I mean what they might think, like "What if humans weren't here" ya know? And we breed domestic animals. Ones that are used to us. I think they would've done quite fine without us IMO :)

[Sapphire]

I mean what they might think, like "What if humans weren't here" ya know? And we breed domestic animals. Ones that are used to us. I think they would've done quite fine without us IMO :)My comment wasn't just aimed at you before you think it was :)

And we do breed wild animals as well you know :rolleyes:

[James18]

Basically what this thread is is a thinly disguised way of asking "is there a God?" If there is no Creator, then we're just organic life forms, a tiny speck in the greatness of the universe. If there is a Creator, a master of the universe, that kind of changes the picture, doesn't it?

[INFERNO]

Who gives you the fucking right to say that?

Got to love freedom of speech... .


You aren't a higher being or a God are you?Ok everything is connected so yes one person even a Hobo has a big effect,Example: When nite Bob had to work late ,so when he left a bus was about to hit him,a bus driver knew that if he stopped all the people would be killed(on the bus)But he did it anyway and they flew off a cliff.Bob goes home ,he one one million dollar's,Bob was really educed and deiced to run as president!He stopped what was going to be a End of the World disaster(umm a new bomb was made that would create a Black hole)but he had to sacrifice himself in order to do that so he did,which then the world realized that violents and dirreance don't require dieing for so then came world peace.Know if Jim had came to work then bob wouldn't have caused all those people do die which then he would be eating with his wife and would be home to get the million dollar's and then become president to save the world so then came world peace and trying to help on another.How on Earth can you tell me people don't a big differance because in 100000 years those people would be around to know anything about anything since there dead.Also if we have no value,including you why should we listen to you ;) since you are just worth a fly on the wall.Yes people may not be remembered but doesn't mean they are worthless

As for this... I have no clue what all that babble is meant to be. It may make a nice sci-fi story though but that's about it.

Basically what this thread is is a thinly disguised way of asking "is there a God?" If there is no Creator, then we're just organic life forms, a tiny speck in the greatness of the universe. If there is a Creator, a master of the universe, that kind of changes the picture, doesn't it?

I think even if there is a creator, then the picture still remains the same in that we still can be insignificant or significant depending on your views.

Consider this, if there is a creator, then are we not still tiny blobs of organic matter? The presence or absence of a creator does not affect how significant we are. If there is a creator, then you can view a comparison of power, that is, compare the power of the creator (presumably infinite) vs. the power of humanity. In that case, humanity still loses and we come to the same conclusion that we can reach if there is no creator: insignificance.

I view humanity as being significant regardless if their is a creator or not. Each human has a different amount of significance that they have accomplished (have to use the past-tense unless you have a nifty time-machine). We may not have the power that a creator of the universe may possess but that does not make us insignificant. For our purposes, humanity revolves on Earth (and around it if you want to include satillites and such). For our purposes, Earth is our world, not our universe but it is our world. We can do extra-ordinary things while on Earth or even do things to Earth. So in our world, we are significant. In the grand scheme of things if we zoom out to look at the universe, then we are insignificant at the present time.

[Sage]

In terms of sheer potential for the future, humans are very significant. Perhaps some distant day from now we'll be distributed well throughout the galaxy, and reach the sheer size in terms of galactic population that would make us practically immortal as a species.

[Bougainvillea]

My comment wasn't just aimed at you before you think it was :)

And we do breed wild animals as well you know :rolleyes:

I'm such a silly little cow :P
I breed dumb dogs :)
And kudos to Deschain!

[JacobHerrington]

who gives you the fucking right to say that?you aren't a higher being or a god are you?ok everything is connected so yes one person even a hobo has a big effect,example: When nite bob had to work late ,so when he left a bus was about to hit him,a bus driver knew that if he stopped all the people would be killed(on the bus)but he did it anyway and they flew off a cliff.bob goes home ,he one one million dollar's,bob was really educed and deiced to run as president!he stopped what was going to be a end of the world disaster(umm a new bomb was made that would create a black hole)but he had to sacrifice himself in order to do that so he did,which then the world realized that violents and dirreance don't require dieing for so then came world peace.know if jim had came to work then bob wouldn't have caused all those people do die which then he would be eating with his wife and would be home to get the million dollar's and then become president to save the world so then came world peace and trying to help on another.how on earth can you tell me people don't a big differance because in 100000 years those people would be around to know anything about anything since there dead.also if we have no value,including you why should we listen to you ;) since you are just worth a fly on the wall.yes people may not be remembered but doesn't mean they are worthless

ill tell you who gives me the right to say this the fucking constituion
i have the right to say whatever the fuck i want!

[Sage]

ill tell you who gives me the right to say this the fucking constituion
i have the right to say whatever the fuck i want!

Just because you can say whatever you want doesn't mean your opinion is entitled to be respected. We'll put it this way- You can walk into a bar at night and insult everyone in the bar, but you cannot expect to walk back to your vehicle at the end of the night unharmed.

[Bougainvillea]

ill tell you who gives me the right to say this the fucking constituion
i have the right to say whatever the fuck i want!

Whoa Whoa Whoa! Calm down. It does say that. But you do have to consider people's beliefs and moral values

[INFERNO]

ill tell you who gives me the right to say this the fucking constituion
i have the right to say whatever the fuck i want!

Relax, don't act like someone took a piss in your cheerios. You have the right to say what you want and he also has the right to say what he wants. However, there is nothing stating, other than your own moral values, that you have to respect what he says.

[Rutherford The Brave]

ill tell you who gives me the right to say this the fucking constituion
i have the right to say whatever the fuck i want!

You have the right to say what you want but when you take it out of context then your just abusing it so you can swear and make senseless posts.

[JacobHerrington]

Just because you can say whatever you want doesn't mean your opinion is entitled to be respected. We'll put it this way- You can walk into a bar at night and insult everyone in the bar, but you cannot expect to walk back to your vehicle at the end of the night unharmed.

i dont mind people challengeing my vewis thats the point.
but sumone saying i have no right to say thatis bullshit.

[Bougainvillea]

Well, there are some things....
Like, to me, you don't have a right to speak about my father. He's not speaking in terms of the constitution. He's speaking in terms of his own values

[JacobHerrington]

Relax, don't act like someone took a piss in your cheerios. You have the right to say what you want and he also has the right to say what he wants. However, there is nothing stating, other than your own moral values, that you have to respect what he says.

piss in your sherrios , this is off topic but i ike that one. i haveta use that one sometime lol.

[JacobHerrington]

Who gives you the fucking right to say that?You aren't a higher being or a God are you?Ok everything is connected so yes one person even a Hobo has a big effect,Example: When nite Bob had to work late ,so when he left a bus was about to hit him,a bus driver knew that if he stopped all the people would be killed(on the bus)But he did it anyway and they flew off a cliff.Bob goes home ,he one one million dollar's,Bob was really educed and deiced to run as president!He stopped what was going to be a End of the World disaster(umm a new bomb was made that would create a Black hole)but he had to sacrifice himself in order to do that so he did,which then the world realized that violents and dirreance don't require dieing for so then came world peace.Know if Jim had came to work then bob wouldn't have caused all those people do die which then he would be eating with his wife and would be home to get the million dollar's and then become president to save the world so then came world peace and trying to help on another.How on Earth can you tell me people don't a big differance because in 100000 years those people would be around to know anything about anything since there dead.Also if we have no value,including you why should we listen to you ;) since you are just worth a fly on the wall.Yes people may not be remembered but doesn't mean they are worthless

d like an order of sensiblity with a side of rational thinking please , thank you.

[MykeSoBe]

In the scientific world, just about every animal, human and non-human, is made to reproduce. I guess us humans have ended up doing a bit more than we bargained for though ...

[YourFriend]

My point exactly, we are nothing. we mean nothing.
There is nothing in our future but destruction.
In the end all we have to look forward to is death.

Then, if you are so eager, hang yourself or drink 50 sleeping pills.

i dont mind people challengeing my vewis thats the point.
but sumone saying i have no right to say thatis bullshit.

Well you have no right to insult EVERY SINGLE human being.

[Sapphire]

Then please go hang yourself or drink 50 sleeping pills.Bloody hell! Get a grip will you! You have no right whatsoever to say that to somebody!

I used to respect your opinions even if I didn't agree but screw that. If you are going to say this to someone then you are less worthy of respect than a decaying leaf.

Well you have no right to insult EVERY SINGLE human being.He hasn't insulted everyone. He has given his point of view on how significant humans are in the grand scheme of things which he is perfectly able to do.

[Reality]

Quite a flamewar going on I see.

Then please go hang yourself or drink 50 sleeping pills.
Rude.

Anyway, I believe it depends what you mean by "significance" and to who/what. To the Earth we do actually kind of have a significance, because we've pretty much tampered with it in many different ways. We have cities and vehicles all over the world, we've destroyed many rainforrests and we've used a lot of the Earth's natural resources like oil, and we've (arguably) speeded up the process of Global Warming and crap like that.

To other animals, it depends. To some random monkey in the middle of a jungle that humans have never tampered with, well they don't give a fuck about us, they probably don't even know we exist. But to domestic animals, we control their lives and their fates. We manipulate how they breed (selective breeding for traits, and when they breed), how they live and how they die in the case of farm animals.

And of course, we're very significant to fellow human beings.

However, if we were to suddenly vanish tommorow morning, nothing would really "care". A few animals and plants that were dependant on us would die, but other than that, life would actually begin to prosper. Our influence will have stayed behind, though. New York City wouldn't suddenly rot into a jungle, or something. But things like natural resources would come back over time, and some species (particularly those we fuck with) would begin to prosper again.

[punkjake]

[QUOTE=INFERNO;560295]As for this... I have no clue what all that babble is meant to be. It may make a nice sci-fi story though but that's about it.[QUOTE]i really just made a long and really relateing to the subject of the butterfly effect!*gasp* lol how one little thing could make big differance and sorry for my language and for offending you Jacob.But god or no god ,helpfull or destructive ,like the second dude in the cartoon said the future brings adventure and you should live your live and not be scared of death.

[INFERNO]

i really just made a long and really relateing to the subject of the butterfly effect!*gasp* lol how one little thing could make big differance and sorry for my language and for offending you Jacob.

I understood the idea of one small thing making a big difference, however, the process of which it occurred defied common sense and that is why I suggested for it to be a good sci-fi movie or story.


But god or no god ,helpfull or destructive ,like the second dude in the cartoon said the future brings adventure and you should live your live and not be scared of death.

:confused: What cartoon? Second person?


Then, if you are so eager, hang yourself or drink 50 sleeping pills.

You think he insulted all human beings so you now want him to kill himself? I suppose then if he put all human beings on a podium then you'd want him to live as long as possible or thereabouts? Pity though that you'd want someone to kill himself or even tell someone to do that over hearing their opinion on one thing. To me that suggests your view on the respect you have for humans and possibly also the significance of humanity.


Well you have no right to insult EVERY SINGLE human being.

Where exactly did he insult every single human being? He gave his view on the significance of human beings.

[mosaic.]

The approach that "everything will perish, therefore; everything is insignificant" is pathetic, pessimistic, and heavily marked with a defeatist attitude. When you adopt this approach, you unknowingly make yourself insignificant.

My approach is that "I will perish; therefore what I am now, what I do now, makes me significant."

[INFERNO]

The approach that "everything will perish, therefore; everything is insignificant" is pathetic, pessimistic, and heavily marked with a defeatist attitude. When you adopt this approach, you unknowingly make yourself insignificant.

My approach is that "I will perish; therefore what I am now, what I do now, makes me significant."

Actually, your approach and the OP's approach are different in that yours is taking a more zoomed-in view while the OP's is taking a more zoomed-out view. If we take your view but make it more zoomed-out (i.e. look at the time after your death) then yours does become insignificant also. In other words, you're looking at the same sample under the microscope, the only difference being you're taking different levels of magnification.

[mosaic.]

Absolutely not. Take my approach and compare it to the grand scheme of things ("zoom-out" if you will), and you still have people trying to make the most of their lives.

Without today, there is no tomorrow. No matter your impact on a larger scale, what you do in your life will live on, even to the smallest degrees. Ceasing to exist does not eliminate your existence.

Or else we might as well just throw it all away right now. Our lives don't matter, because when you zoom out, we're nothing, right?

[INFERNO]

Absolutely not. Take my approach and compare it to the grand scheme of things ("zoom-out" if you will), and you still have people trying to make the most of their lives.

I didn't say people won't make the most of their lives. I said that if we zoom-out, such as look at some galaxies or look 1,000 years down the road, then what we have done in our lifetime is likely to be insignificant.


Without today, there is no tomorrow. No matter your impact on a larger scale, what you do in your life will live on, even to the smallest degrees.

What you do may live on and if it exists to the smallest degree, then that isn't very significant, now is it?


Ceasing to exist does not eliminate your existence.

I never said it did.


Or else we might as well just throw it all away right now. Our lives don't matter, because when you zoom out, we're nothing, right?

That is correct, although you can argue that it depends how much we zoom out.

[mosaic.]

And that is why I believe that viewpoint is ridiculously pathetic, pessimistic, and marked with a defeatist attitude.

Like mentioned earlier, I guess it just depends on what you consider to be significant.

You can be significant now. Whether it's to the people around you, to the generations preceding or succeeding you, that shouldn't change when looking at the grand picture. Living is significance.

[punkjake]

I understood the idea of one small thing making a big difference, however, the process of which it occurred defied common sense and that is why I suggested for it to be a good sci-fi movie or story.

thank you :D

:confused: What cartoon? Second person?
the one Deschain posted




Where exactly did he insult every single human being? He gave his view on the significance of human beings.
and jacob i can see how you think humans are worthless since by the judge of your profile you look sad,you hate your life that fate/god/universe gave you but i think you should try to make the best of you can, like my mom did and dad,she was ginger and everyone made fun of her and her parents divorced and my grandpa ,is and was a drunkie ,my dad is half Mexican and people treated him like dirt.Know back to the subject i guess it really only matters through the eye of the seer,but i think anything that wants to help or try to at least if not worthless.

[JacobHerrington]

Then, if you are so eager, hang yourself or drink 50 sleeping pills.


actally ive been condidering that sounds like a good idea

[Sapphire]

actally ive been condidering that sounds like a good idea
You what?!!
You've honestly been considering causing all that pain on to your nearest and dearest just because you think that human life is insignificant in the grand scheme of things?!

[liveyoungdiefast]

We are a high species with no objective significance. I thank existentialism for letting me give myself subjective significance.

[djunlogical]

we are NOT a high species, atall, we are parasite! We take what we need and we leave shit in our trail (please excuse the language, but it seems abpt) There are no Significenses, or real punishment... It's like my motto
-there are 2 rules in life, 1) There are NO mistakes 2) There are no rules.
The reason there is rule 1 is because everything we do has consequences, these consequences are nature's way of balaning out the economy and world. Some people idsagree and they are entitled to there opinion, however, everyone who has ever done something "by accident"... That accident is almost guarenteed to have an effect some-where on life, for better, for worse, bu still an effect. 2 is there because it doesn't matter what we do, the rules will always change, change is a part of life, nd people need to embrace change rather than hide from it.

Okay, and just so we are clear (I'd rather not have any negative comments on this post)
The reason earlier I posted: "There are no Significenses" is because everything is done on purpose, which DOES agree with rule1, nothing can ever be done by mistake, things are conciously done and forgot, which is how we see a mistake, either that, or they are conciously thought out without thought of the consequences, which, after-all, are nothing.

[liveyoungdiefast]

Nature balances the economy? WHAT?

[INFERNO]

we are NOT a high species, atall, we are parasite! We take what we need and we leave shit in our trail (please excuse the language, but it seems abpt)

Well if we dominate other species even if we are a parasite, then would that not put us in the ranks as a high species?


rule 1 is because everything we do has consequences, these consequences are nature's way of balaning out the economy and world.

I'm not understanding how this balances anything out.


Some people idsagree and they are entitled to there opinion, however, everyone who has ever done something "by accident"... That accident is almost guarenteed to have an effect some-where on life, for better, for worse, bu still an effect.

I'll agree with that but just because it has an effect doesn't mean that the initial action was done on purpose. Consider when someone trips on their shoelaces and falls flat on their face. Is that something that they did on purpose? Did they purposely think "hey, let's trip on my shoelaces because it's fun and I may be able to land on my face!!"? Not likely.


2 is there because it doesn't matter what we do, the rules will always change, change is a part of life, nd people need to embrace change rather than hide from it.

That makes no sense. Even if rules do change, you've acknowledged that rules indeed are there.


The reason earlier I posted: "There are no Significenses" is because everything is done on purpose, which DOES agree with rule1, nothing can ever be done by mistake, things are conciously done and forgot, which is how we see a mistake, either that, or they are conciously thought out without thought of the consequences, which, after-all, are nothing.

I'm still not understanding why tripping over one's own shoe laces isn't a mistake? What about when people fall asleep while driving? What about touches or eats a food that they never had before and end up having an allergic reaction? How can none of those be considered a mistake?

All of those above examples do have consequences, no argument there. But I do argue with your notion of anything that has a consequence is done on purpose.

Do people purposely fall asleep while driving? Do people purposely trip over their shoe laces? Most people don't do those on purpose.

[Jacobim Mugatu]

Humans in the grand scale have no value. We are little more than decaying organic matter. We may be intelligent but we are no more important that the average house cat or a fly on the wall. For example take two men one is rich ,powerful and influential,the other is poor,and powerless. However they are both equal. How is the so you ask? Because they are both going to die evntally.
In the grand scale of time,they both mean nothing.

That is my opinion anyway.

Any body else care tho share theirs?

But who remembers the fly or the cat? not one. now people like Otto Von Bismark, Frederick II king of Prussia, Napoleon Bonaparte the First of France, King George 3 of Great Britain, and My favorite Cecil Rhodes Founder Of De Beers Diamond company, they are remembered and Admired. These people accomplished things not no one else could have.Animals, and all other living organisms just survive. Also people create. people like Jacques Louis David, who in my opinion is the greatest painter to ever live. can you compare any other living creature to them?

[INFERNO]

But who remembers the fly or the cat? not one. now people like Otto Von Bismark, Frederick II king of Prussia, Napoleon Bonaparte the First of France, King George 3 of Great Britain, and My favorite Cecil Rhodes Founder Of De Beers Diamond company, they are remembered and Admired. These people accomplished things not no one else could have.Animals, and all other living organisms just survive. Also people create. people like Jacques Louis David, who in my opinion is the greatest painter to ever live. can you compare any other living creature to them?

Your argument is flawed because humans are biased towards other humans. In a pack of wolves, they would generally remember what another deceased wolf may have done. Would they remember what a deceased human did? Probably not.

From our view, other organisms just survive but from their view, what would other organisms be doing? Surviving.

[marty]

Maybe nihilists hold this belief because they see their own life as insignificant. They think that their life will never amount to anything, so what do they do? They make that the only option NO ONE'S life will amount to anything, and that makes their life acceptable.

that may be an epileptic trees theory i just came up with....because it IS one in the morning. but it makes sense now. feel free to shoot it down....

[sports fan1]

yes, we all die eventually. but you are also wrong. Because of our intellegence we are more than flies on the wall, and more than simple house cats.
we do decay, but not until we die. and before we die we leave something behind. it may often be bad, but time and time again, everything that is good and right in the world always comes out on top, even if takes decades.. you are also right about the powerful king and the poor man being equal, for they are just men. the difference is one is powerful and one is poor, and that makes all the difference. so no, we all have value. every single thing, living or not, has value.

[Scarface]

yes, we all die eventually. but you are also wrong. Because of our intellegence we are more than flies on the wall, and more than simple house cats.
we do decay, but not until we die. and before we die we leave something behind. it may often be bad, but time and time again, everything that is good and right in the world always comes out on top, even if takes decades.. you are also right about the powerful king and the poor man being equal, for they are just men. the difference is one is powerful and one is poor, and that makes all the difference. so no, we all have value. every single thing, living or not, has value.

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