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Whisper
June 25th, 2009, 06:51 PM
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Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, centre, parliament speaker Ali Larijani, left, and
Judiciary Chief Mahmood Hashemi Shahroodi attend Tehran's Friday prayers June 19. Larijani and
over 100 MPs refused to attend a victory dinner party hosted by Ahmadinejad, newspapers reported
on Thursday.

TEHRAN - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Barack Obama on Thursday of behaving like his predecessor towards Iran and said there was not much point in talking to Washington unless the U.S. president apologized.

Obama said on Tuesday he was "appalled and outraged" by a post-election crackdown and Washington withdrew invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend Independence Day celebrations on July 4 — stalling efforts to improve ties with Tehran.

"Mr Obama made a mistake to say those things . . . our question is why he fell into this trap and said things that previously (former president George W.) Bush used to say," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Do you want to speak with this tone? If that is your stance then what is left to talk about . . . I hope you avoid interfering in Iran's affairs and express your regret in a way that the Iranian nation is informed of it," he said.

The world's fifth biggest oil exporter has crushed anti-government protests, flooding the streets of Tehran with police and militia to quell the most widespread unrest since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

About 20 people have been killed in protests after Ahmadinejad was re-elected in a disputed June 12 poll which opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi says was rigged.

In what appeared to be further evidence of the government's determination to crush resistance, 70 professors were detained after meeting Mousavi and his campaign manager was arrested, his website said. Fars said the professors were later released.

Mousavi said he was under pressure to stop challenging the election result and also complained about the closure of his Kalameh-ye Sabz daily newspaper and arrest of its staff.

Iran has jailed around 40 journalists and media workers in the post-election crackdown, New York-based media watchdog the Committee to Protect Journalists said on Thursday.

The row over the election has exposed an unprecedented public rift within Iran's ruling elite.

With street protests fading, analysts say the battle has moved off the street into a behind-the-scenes struggle which has divided the clerical establishment into two camps.

Mousavi has the backing of such influential figures as former presidents Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Mohammad Khatami, along with senior cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who normally stays above the political fray, has sided strongly with Ahmadinejad.

"Neither side can claim victory now," said an analyst in Tehran, who declined to be named. "This path is very corrosive. Both sides are tired."

"What the system needs is to have some mediators, who can convince both sides to agree over a middle way," he said.

Khamenei has upheld the result and Iran's top legislative body, the Guardian Council, has refused to annul the elections. State Press TV quoted a spokesman for the council as saying they were "among the healthiest elections ever held in the country."

Mousavi said he was determined to keep challenging the election results despite pressure to stop.

"A major rigging has happened," his website reported him as saying. "I am prepared to prove that those behind the rigging are responsible for the bloodshed."

He called on his supporters to continue "legal" protests and said restrictions on the opposition could lead to more violence.

Mousavi supporters said they would release thousands of balloons on Friday imprinted with the message "Neda you will always remain in our hearts" — a reference to the young woman killed last week who has become an icon of the protests.

Obama had previously been muted in his criticism.

But on Tuesday he said that, "the United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings, and imprisonments of the last few days."

Before the election, Obama had tried to improve ties with Iran — branded by Bush as part of an "axis of evil."

Washington had been hoping to convince Tehran to drop what it suspects are plans to develop nuclear bombs, while also seeking its co-operation in stabilizing Afghanistan and Iraq.

It had invited Iranian diplomats to attend Independence Day celebrations for the first time since Washington cut diplomatic ties with Tehran in 1980. The move to withdraw the invites was largely symbolic as no Iranians had even responded.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said it was wrong to blame the outside world for the troubles in Iran.

"I think the truth is that there is a crisis of credibility between the Iranian government and their own people. It's not a crisis between Iran and America or Iran and Britain, however much the Iranian government wants to suggest that," he said.

Italy, hosting a meeting of G8 foreign ministers, said on Thursday it was working on a joint declaration condemning post-election violence in Iran.

"We are working on a document that should condemn the violence and the repression and at the same time stress that electoral procedures are an (internal) Iranian matter," said Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini.

"We (the international community) can't recount the vote."



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byee
June 25th, 2009, 08:58 PM
Oh, then I can compare Ahmadinejad (and the whole regime) to the Shah.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

mrmcdonaldduck
June 26th, 2009, 11:09 PM
its obvious Iran just hates america. Obama's foreign policy is 100x better than Bush's.

Whisper
June 28th, 2009, 03:47 PM
its obvious Iran just hates america. Obama's foreign policy is 100x better than Bush's.
....There's been huge and bloody riots all over Iran over the seizure of power and the fixed election
people are PISSED

so to say all of Iran hates America
I don't think is very accurate

Allot of misinformation, propaganda, and fear mongering on both sides
sad really

The Harlequin
June 28th, 2009, 04:32 PM
....There's been huge and bloody riots all over Iran over the seizure of power and the fixed election
people are PISSED

so to say all of Iran hates America
I don't think is very accurate

Allot of misinformation, propaganda, and fear mongering on both sides
sad really

Everyone knows that not everyone in the country is gonna hate America, the problem is that the ones in power do, and just want to create hostilities amongst their people against the USA and Britain... It's awful...

The only thing is ~ how do you know for certain that if Mousavi get's in, this whole thing won't just happen in reverse when it's time for him to leave government... You only need to look at Morgan Tsvanguri to realise hell moves in circles and nightmares...

Antares
June 28th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Oh dear.

And Obama was supposed to make people like us again. Seeing how that goes...

I think that Obama should not have withdrew the invitation. The quote was fine but the withdrawl was a big F-u to them.

I mean, if we had riots here, we would quell them. Now, maybe that were a bit forceful but they have every right to use force to restore order. Its not our business.

so yea, obama pissed them off. he shouldnt have rejected invitations. so idk.

The Harlequin
June 28th, 2009, 05:07 PM
Oh dear.

And Obama was supposed to make people like us again. Seeing how that goes...

I think that Obama should not have withdrew the invitation. The quote was fine but the withdrawl was a big F-u to them.

I mean, if we had riots here, we would quell them. Now, maybe that were a bit forceful but they have every right to use force to restore order. Its not our business.

so yea, obama pissed them off. he shouldnt have rejected invitations. so idk.

Dude, the point is that the election was rigged. It's like an election being held in the UK right now and Gordon Brown winning with a 70% majority. Or if McCain got voted in last year winning in every single state...

If Obama hadn't withdrawn the invite, people would accuse you of looking after your own interests rather than take the moral high ground, (Appeasement for Hitler) bear in mind the Iranian government weren't too bothered about this invite anyway (they would've replied or SOMETHING) so really I think Obama has done the right thing,

YourFriend
June 28th, 2009, 08:31 PM
not every1 in Iran hates US, but their goverment does..

Bobby
June 28th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Hmm...imagine that. The people who said Obama wouldn't live up to his great expectations were right. He's Pip.

The Harlequin
June 29th, 2009, 05:00 AM
Hmm...imagine that. The people who said Obama wouldn't live up to his great expectations were right. He's Pip.

Well it 'ent like he didn't TRY... It's just there are some real arseholes in the world you know? Who seem to think it's 'cool' to piss off the most powerful country...

It's woefully immature...

Bougainvillea
June 29th, 2009, 05:11 AM
Amibibiblah is stupid. Obama's policy is way better.

Strength
June 29th, 2009, 12:13 PM
I would have to agree with Ahmadinejad on his comparison.

Strength
June 29th, 2009, 12:14 PM
Amibibiblah is stupid. Obama's policy is way better.

Spending over a trillion dollars on a corrupt system is a better policy?

FYI in no way at all do I think Bush is any better but Obama is the one in office right now and he is making some very terrible decisions.

Antares
June 29th, 2009, 03:59 PM
Dude, the point is that the election was rigged. It's like an election being held in the UK right now and Gordon Brown winning with a 70% majority. Or if McCain got voted in last year winning in every single state...

If Obama hadn't withdrawn the invite, people would accuse you of looking after your own interests rather than take the moral high ground, (Appeasement for Hitler) bear in mind the Iranian government weren't too bothered about this invite anyway (they would've replied or SOMETHING) so really I think Obama has done the right thing,


And youre saying that the election of 2000 wasn't rigged or flawed either.
We are hypocrites. I mean, its an invitation to dinner. Not some summit or conference. I am sure that a decision that your country has made is totally unrelated to the presence of their diplomat who we have to deal with all the time. Obama didn't do the right thing imo

The Harlequin
June 29th, 2009, 05:53 PM
And youre saying that the election of 2000 wasn't rigged or flawed either.
We are hypocrites. I mean, its an invitation to dinner. Not some summit or conference. I am sure that a decision that your country has made is totally unrelated to the presence of their diplomat who we have to deal with all the time. Obama didn't do the right thing imo

Okay, you got me on the 2000 election result, but that "invitation to dinner" holds a type of significance, as petty as it may sound.

Yes, the DIPLOMAT is the one representing the country but that title more often than not is a reflection of the leader of that country, not (as it should be) the reflection of the people who live as it's citizens... That's just how it's seen -disputing that much is fruitless...

Even if it was representing the people then that person would be demonstating a broken and divided nation, one that has endured brutal repercussions against a movement for a fair election.

I can't help you with the 2000 result, but all I can say is expect jolly-old-Gordon to pull a similar farce next year, if he wins ~ kiss goodbye to the UK as a respectable country (that actually hurt to write that but it's true, even Labour supporters hate Brown, that is how bad it's got).

You may well not care about the politics of the United Kingdom but I live there so yeah - it's important to me, so keep patient while I rant about the failure of my government, plz (:^,

Bougainvillea
June 30th, 2009, 04:30 AM
ONE SOLUTION!
Get Al Gore. He was pretty amazing. And was probably one of the only who realised how money hungry this country really is. He didn't put the banks before the people. And I think we should stop paying for health care.

Whisper
July 1st, 2009, 06:17 PM
ONE SOLUTION!
Get Al Gore. He was pretty amazing. And was probably one of the only who realised how money hungry this country really is. He didn't put the banks before the people. And I think we should stop paying for health care.
you will always pay for healthcare
I pay for healthcare
Britain pays for healthcare
the socialized system isn't to make it free its to relive a citizen and there family of financial worry and stress during a time of need
its a service not a charity
you pay for it mainly through taxes

But Canada needs a much better system
Like France's
we need dental, eye, daycare, etc... added

Bananaaax
July 1st, 2009, 06:29 PM
he's an absolute loony.
I don't even understand how someone can compare a breathe of fresh air to the ain in the side that was Bush...

After the protests and deaths of innocent people, he's just a horrible dictator.

And he had the nerve to call Britain the most evil nation on earth... ABOVE Israel....

idiot.

ocguy
July 17th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Poor Bush. He did things to help us. Obama is destroying us.
I still like Bush.

Truth
July 18th, 2009, 02:35 AM
Poor Bush. He did things to help us. Obama is destroying us.
I still like Bush. It isn't like their any different, nor will any president. Government will be the same till we die, really.

Ripplemagne
July 18th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Personally, I don't really like Obama, but I definitely support the invitation retraction. In fact, I wish he did more. As the figure head of the free world, I believe the United States has a moral obligation to do what is right. Some say that this is like playing God, but if I may quote the ever wise Uncle Ben, "With great power comes great responsibility." Think of it this way: These people are revolting over being cheated. Whether people want to accept it or not, America is viewed as the knight in shining armor; if we don't do something, the morale of the people will be crushed and other countries who may also fight for their rights will be disinclined to do so because it won't even seem worth it.

Some say that this makes America a bully or nosy or whatever. But honestly? I really don't care what these people think that it makes us. The United States is going to be hated whether it closes up its borders and keeps to itself or engages in widespread philanthropy. The United States is held to a different standard than other countries and it's rarely ever a positive standard, so I think less time should be spent thinking about how we can appease other countries' governments (we can't) and more time should be spent doing what is right.

"It's hard enough doing what is right without having to do what is popular."

That's one of the things I liked about George W. Bush. What's he believed came before what people would think about him. And I think that's where Barack Obama's problem lies; he tries to appease everyone and because of that, he's losing support because he's not pleasing anyone.

In this case, I would really like to be something done in Iran. Perhaps not a direct military invasion, but there are so many ways a nation can respond to this kind of thing that it seems almost crude to not do something. Perhaps I'm alone on this front, but the fact of the matter is that Iran wants to civilize and Mousavi is a viable option for doing so. That's not to say that the infrastructure of a nation is going to change in a night, but it paves the way for doing so and I think that Mousavi will be a great thing for international relations.

Anyway, that ends my soap box rant.

ocguy
July 22nd, 2009, 12:37 AM
It isn't like their any different, nor will any president. Government will be the same till we die, really.

No, its growing out of control.