Negative/Neutral rep fix

[punkjake]

I know i hav it but I think it is a little messed up since one if someone does get negative rep it takes like forever to get it back,sometimes its in accurate ,take me I only done one bad thing,I feel bad for it but it was only one and my rep says that I have -11 when i only done ONEthing!Also i think nutrel rep isn't/wasn't (no offense)A smart idea.Also people with rep can abuse it if they get mad at someone such as reject friend reguest.I think rep should be for people who are 250+ or 500+,since they probbly have good expereince.
:EDIT:Even thouhg my rep is good now there still is a lot of problems,one my frineds brought to me the attetion is that you can only give so much rep to a person.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I'm sorry but you have a bad rep, you kind of just have to deal. To the people who have been here for a long time, well rep is just not that important its the quality of your posts thats important.

[Neverender]

if you have -11 rep points on your user CP, that would mean that someone with 11 rep gave you negative rep. Unless your talking about rep points as the rest of us can see. I see no problem with the rep system (it can be confusing, but thats all). And if you want better rep then you have, make better posts. And as for abusing rep. Most members under 250 have little enough rep to even affect your reputation level. i dont think banning those members from rep is a good idea as they might be excellent members who have rep and are just getting a great kickstart off to the site. If you find -Rep has been given unfairly, PM an administrator.

[Whisper]

That would have been me, (I think anyway, the raccoon city / umbrella corp rings a bell) or atleast I contributed to it I dunno if anyone else gave you neg rep aswell. I forgot to sign it i'm usually really good about that

Don't ever say VT is a better place now that Alex is no longer an admin

[Antares]

Well it sucks that you have a negative rep. In theory, you should deserve it because that is how the system is supposed to work. Unfortunately, thats now how it always cracks up to be. That is why the staff stresses that you PM an administrator if you have issues with rep and you got it unfairly, undeservedly, etc.

Umm as for your rep also, the heirarchy works fine. People that have a lot of posts tend to have a lot of rep. Rep was designed to make it so the people with more posts, more time on the site, etc. has more rep and that is in fact true. People with like 4 posts has no rep and really cant affect you. So! Umm, it sucks but if you get positive rep again, then your rep can be boosted to above 0 and back to grey/green

[MoveAlong]

Yeah I agree. People with less than 250 posts can never really affect your rep that much. People like me can. Especially former Gmods and Admins for some reason. I guess everybody likes them.

Sorry you have negative rep. If you want, you can ask an administrator through private message to change it for you. If you say on the site long enough and make a lot of good posts, and you will get that rep back!

[Aneklusmos]

Or you could change your settings so that your rep wasn't shown until its positive again

[Skeln]

Yeah rep doesn't really mean much. If I were to have negative rep...then who cares? As long as I can still contribute to helping people on this website, then I'm happy. If someone gives me negative rep, then I won't bother with it because it's their opinion they have a right to state it, and it does no damage to me what-so-ever. If you had negative rep, then sopmeone obviously doesn't agree with something you did and they stated their opinion about it.

I personally am not one to give out rep unless I find an extremely good post. There are those like me that don't usually care much about rep, and then there are those who think rep means everything on this site. It's our opinion of things and we have a right to state it. If someone wants to give out negative rep to those they don't disagree with you, then they have a right to state it by giving you the negative rep.

[YourFriend]

I know i hav it but I think it is a little messed up since one if someone does get negative rep it takes like forever to get it back,sometimes its in accurate ,take me I only done one bad thing,I feel bad for it but it was only one and my rep says that I have -11 when i only done ONEthing!Also i think nutrel rep isn't/wasn't (no offense)A smart idea.Also people with rep can abuse it if they get mad at someone such as reject friend reguest.I think rep should be for people who are 250+ or 500+,since they probbly have good expereince.

i agree...i mean this is my 534th post yet my rep is 2!

[byee]

Ah, another Rep thread. Beyond a doubt, my least favorite topic here.

First, if anyone ever thinks they need Rep, I've currently got 54 and I love giving it out. Just make sure you've posted and replied in a caring, knowledgeable, and conscientious way. I'm more than happy to take a look at what you've posted and give you Rep if it's deserving. I try to do that anyway, but sometimes I miss some good people and the things they say.

Second, there's something inherently wrong about the Rep system as it now is. The idea that people can "punish" others simply b/c they do not like what they've said is just plain wrong. People should be able to express themselves without fear of recrimination, esp. since that punishment is anonymous, b/c there's no way of responding to the person who has the issue in the first place. The goal here should be facilatating communication and bringing people together, not creating alienation and resentment. It's seems to me that it's the responsibility of the Staff to discipline members, that's not something that should be left to the members themselves. It's like a Franz Kafka novel, "The Trial", where someone is imprisoned and put on trial without ever being told what they are accused of or facing their accusors. Go read it, it is a classic and a "must read" for everyone, but most particularly for those who aspire to being "In charge" at some point in their lives, even if over their own kids.

In the absence of any transparency and accountability, the current system seems more fascist, the idea being that the Rep system is designed to stifle self expression if it disagrees with *others*. We should be striving to create a more perfect reality here, not one that reaches back to the darkest times in human history. If people disagree it should be open and honest, not 'anonymous' and punishing. And no, Zach, I don't care about the number, it's about the fairness. People should be encouraged to be tolerant. And, they should be encouraged to discuss their differences openly and resolve them without resorting to 'punishment'.

Maybe it's time to reevaluate this system, it seems like threads like this come up frequently enough to justify a closer look see.

[ManyPearTree]

That would have been me, (I think anyway, the raccoon city / umbrella corp rings a bell) or atleast I contributed to it I dunno if anyone else gave you neg rep aswell. I forgot to sign it i'm usually really good about that

Don't ever say VT is a better place now that Alex is no longer an admin
hey you are the one who did that to me!! I had no intention of saying he was a bad admin. I merely meant that "you have remained at vt since alex's retirement some time ago..

If you have chosen to stay since Redcars's retirement from being an administrator..

You stated under the "I disapprove" rep thing: "dude.that's rude, Alex was epic, ,grow up"

And I apologized for the misunderstanding the the
same thread but it seems that the post
was deleted..

You subtracted 32 rep points from my 8 but resulting in -24, anyways I have worked it back up to -7 :/

EDIT: I found my apology post..
You sya "lol" instead of laughing in reallife

and to whoever commented on my Alex statement I meant that you've been here at vt for a while not that Alex sucked or anything. He actually Still is cool now not being an admn :D
I posted that shortly after I see the red mark under
my post count :(

[Antares]

Ah, another Rep thread. Beyond a doubt, my least favorite topic here.

First, if anyone ever thinks they need Rep, I've currently got 54 and I love giving it out. Just make sure you've posted and replied in a caring, knowledgeable, and conscientious way and PM me, and I'll be more than happy to take a look at what you've posted and give you Rep if it's deserving. I try to do that anyway, but sometimes I miss some good people and the things they say.

Second, there's something inherently wrong about the Rep system as it now is. The idea that people can "punish" others simply b/c they do not like what they've said is just plain wrong. People should be able to express themselves without fear of recrimination, esp. since that punishment is anonymous, b/c there's no way of responding to the person who has the issue in the first place. The goal here should be facilatating communication and bringing people together, not creating alienation and resentment. It's seems to me that it's the responsibility of the Staff to discipline members, that's not something that should be left to the members themselves. It's like a Franz Kafka novel, "The Trial", where someone is imprisoned and put on trial without ever being told what they are accused of or facing their accusors. Go read it, it is a classic and a "must read" for everyone, but most particularly for those who aspire to being "In charge" at some point in their lives, even if over their own kids.

In the absence of any transparency and accountability, the current system seems more fascist, the idea being that the Rep system is designed to stifle self expression if it disagrees with *others*. We should be striving to create a more perfect reality here, not one that reaches back to the darkest times in human history. If people disagree it should be open and honest, not 'anonymous' and punishing. And no, Zach, I don't care about the number, it's about the fairness. People should be encouraged to be tolerant. And, they should be encouraged to discuss their differences openly and resolve them without resorting to 'punishment'.

Maybe it's time to reevaluate this system, it seems like threads like this come up frequently enough to justify a closer look see.

I think the current system is fine...its just a bit...redundant because we have sooo many people with lots of rep so its really easy to become one of the most reputable people on the site, but still I think tis fine.

As far as this "punishment". It's not punishment. It is simply someones opinion. If they did something they weren't supposed to and as a consequence they got negative rep, thats punishment, but these are all members opinions. Rep is not dicipline either. It affects the account in no way. Its just a bunch a numbers really.

Someone also shouldn't be "scared" to say whatever they want because of rep. Rep shouldn't matter. It is something outside of advice or help. It is simply an amenity and someone who feels like they can't utilize free speech because of rep fears needs to understand that rep is just a number. It is not their VT life. It doesn't matter.

And like the staff always says (and members that understand this amazing concept)

If you have received rep that you think is "revenge rep" or rep that is unjust Private message an admin so they can look over it and possible remove it

[byee]

I think the current system is fine...its just a bit...redundant because we have sooo many people with lots of rep so its really easy to become one of the most reputable people on the site, but still I think tis fine.

As far as this "punishment". It's not punishment. It is simply someones opinion. If they did something they weren't supposed to and as a consequence they got negative rep, thats punishment, but these are all members opinions. Rep is not dicipline either. It affects the account in no way. Its just a bunch a numbers really.

Someone also shouldn't be "scared" to say whatever they want because of rep. Rep shouldn't matter. It is something outside of advice or help. It is simply an amenity and someone who feels like they can't utilize free speech because of rep fears needs to understand that rep is just a number. It is not their VT life. It doesn't matter.

And like the staff always says (and members that understand this amazing concept)

If you have received rep that you think is "revenge rep" or rep that is unjust Private message an admin so they can look over it and possible remove it


You're justifying the current system simply because it's there. Rep is a motivator, it's something people are supposed to work for and value. Anytime something of value is taken away, it's punishment. It's purpose is to change behavior. The result is inhibition, or as you say, people being 'scared'. To say that 'it doesn't matter' is absurd, if that were the case, it should be immediately disabled. It is there for a purpose, and that purpose is control. Maybe it's b/c Staff don't fully participate in all aspects of the Rep system, they can see who leaves them Rep so it is not anonymous as it is for the 'regular' folk here, that you not only defend the system but cannot appreciate how others experience it.

People can and should be able to disagree with eachother, but without the punishment. It's the punishment (And the anonymity) that makes it inherently unfair. There's just no reason for Neg Rep in an open society, it goes against what's the stated mission of this site.

[Antares]

You're justifying the current system simply because it's there. Rep is a motivator, it's something people are supposed to work for and value. Anytime something of value is taken away, it's punishment. It's purpose is to change behavior. The result is inhibition, or as you say, people being 'scared'. To say that 'it doesn't matter' is absurd, if that were the case, it should be immediately disabled. It is there for a purpose, and that purpose is control. Maybe it's b/c Staff don't fully participate in all aspects of the Rep system, they can see who leaves them Rep so it is not anonymous as it is for the 'regular' folk here, that you not only defend the system but cannot appreciate how others experience it.

People can and should be able to disagree with eachother, but without the punishment. It's the punishment (And the anonymity) that makes it inherently unfair. There's just no reason for Neg Rep in an open society, it goes against what's the stated mission of this site.

Then if that is how you feel, why don't you make a suggestion thread like all other members who want change on the site and ask the administrators to make rep invisible for mods.

I think the concept is simple for rep. I will reinforce that if it is simple. If you find a post good and the member seems more reputable because of that post, pos. rep them. If you think that it makes them less reputable, neg rep them.

After that it doesn't matter. If we took all rep away it is still the same apart from giving newer people a way to view people on how their peers judge them (which is also the point of the system). Rep is how your peers judge you in this "online version of high school". If you say something that someone doesn't like, then you have a lower rep. So what. It shouldn't change you and you saying your opinions on this site.

I think in general everyone is fine about rep as long as they understand that it is not the end of the world when they get neg. rep.

Anyways, I don't want to hog this thread. Other opinions are welcome :D

[Viral Death]

Sorry to hear that I would be your friend!