Teenager 'beat toddler to death'

[Donkey]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8112980.stm

What the fuck?

[Underground_Network]

Wow. Just wow.

Who the fuck could do that to a TWO year old?

Some people really are messed up.

[ackmedsgirl666]

that was just disturbing
*shudder*

[nick]

Its a horrible story, but the way I read it suggests that the teenager is not quite all there if you know what I mean. So you have to wonder whether the mother was right to have left the toddler in his charge in the first place.

[Aneklusmos]

Thats messed up. but i agree with nick that if the woman knew the guy had bats in the attic she shouldnt of left the kid with him

[Donkey]

Yeah, but you should be able to trust someone to at least not beat your daughter up.

[nick]

Yeah, but you should be able to trust someone to at least not beat your daughter up.
No, dont agree. I'm not saying I condone beating up a little girl or that its not horrible, but if someone is one egg short of a dozen you cant trust them, they cant help it, but you shouldnt leave them alone with a little kid.

I dont know all the facts in this case, maybe that doesnt apply.

[Underground_Network]

I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to leave their child with someone they know isn't all there...

But then again you never know in today's society...

[Ripplemagne]

Who leaves a two year old with a fifteen year old anyway? That's like asking for trouble.

[ShatteredWings]

Not all fifteen year olds are like that ripple

This guy.. has to have issues though...

[Ripplemagne]

I didn't say they were. But you have to consider that a boy, especially, whose hormones are raging might attempt molestation. They could get annoyed at the crying and strike her and what not.

But beyond that, there's naivete and simple irresponsibility. What if he gave her food that she was allergic to? What if he let her play in the medicine supply closet? What if he let her near the stairs? Or just went to pick her up and dropped her?

There's a reason fifteen year olds are still going through puberty and it's because they're not ready to be handling children. There are some rare exceptions, but I would never leave my child with a fifteen year old.

[ShatteredWings]

You'd have a hard time getting a babysitter...

Just because one person lost their marbles doesn't give all teens a bad name..

[Ripplemagne]

Look, I understand that you're somewhat offended at me saying that teenagers are irresponsible, but lets face it. A teenager is not going to know how to deal with children and is going to mess something up.

And no. I have plenty of baby sitting candidates; my mom, my sister, my brother, my grandma, et cetera.

[sebbie]

Shocking story but not surprising, kids killing kids is becoming more and more common, the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

[Underground_Network]

You'd be surprised to know that the world we live in right now is a lot safer than the world fifty years ago...

[sebbie]

You'd be surprised to know that the world we live in right now is a lot safer than the world fifty years ago...

Has it really got safer?

I think the dangers have just changed, old ones have gone, new ones have sprung up.

[Underground_Network]

We were more likely to die from nuclear annihilation forty years ago than we are now.

We had the offensive technologies, but not the defensive capabilities we have now.

That and when you have to realize as the methods of causing danger/violence/etc. evolve, so do the methods of defending yourself from that danger/violence. That and the human mind honestly hasn't changed that much in two hundred years. Its just our environment that has changed and that has caused us to 'adapt.' That and the press sensationalizes everything nowadays. We live in a world where you can news whenever you want, wherever you want. The world may have FELT a lot safer in the past because of the lack of knowledge of what was going on in the world, but it honestly wasn't.

[Ripplemagne]

You both pretty much agreed that it's the same level of danger. Just different. :P

[Muffins]

Look, I understand that you're somewhat offended at me saying that teenagers are irresponsible, but lets face it. A teenager is not going to know how to deal with children and is going to mess something up.

And no. I have plenty of baby sitting candidates; my mom, my sister, my brother, my grandma, et cetera.

Im an uncle of 3 nephews & 1 neice (all under the age of 3), I WOULD NEVER BASH THEM :mad: :rolleyes:. Or do anything bad to them intentionally or any other child, although little kids do get on my nerves sometimes I wouldnt hurt them. and just because one teenager did it doesnt mean all of us want to. I do agree though that not everyone is capable of babysitting but just because one person killed a kid doesnt mean ALL teens want to. geez. :rolleyes:

Also it seems the media like never chooses stories of teens saving someone or something its always "teen killings" or teen gangs but when a teen saves a life no one gives a crap.

[Ripplemagne]

Im an uncle of 3 nephews & 1 neice (all under the age of 3), I WOULD NEVER BASH THEM . Or do anything bad to them intentionally or any other child, although little kids do get on my nerves sometimes I wouldnt hurt them. and just because one teenager did it doesnt mean all of us want to. I do agree though that not everyone is capable of babysitting but just because one person killed a kid doesnt mean ALL teens want to. geez.

Also it seems the media like never chooses stories of teens saving someone or something its always "teen killings" or teen gangs but when a teen saves a life no one gives a crap.

It doesn't have to be intentional.

[Muffins]

It doesn't have to be intentional.
I know I was just sayin' I have hurt them but it wasnt my fault. Like once I was carrying my youngest nephew and another nephew tried to tackle me and I wasnt ready so my nephew (that i was holding) got his head banged against the wall (not hard) but he cried. But that doesnt make me a bad person/uncle :rolleyes: same with anyone else.

[Ripplemagne]

Of course not. I wasn't implying that you were. I'm not saying that everyone is like this kid. I'm saying that most teenagers are not cut out for baby sitting and parents should exercise good judgment with who they leave their children with.

[Renegade.]

The mom is an idiot. And apparently the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree is that family. This makes me sick. What is wrong with the world? Some people shouldn't be parents.

[INFERNO]

Well I'm wondering how much the mother will or should be put to blame also. I don't believe that she had no idea that the 15-year old was not in a right state of mind in general. If you give your kid willingly to someone whom you know is off their rocker and come back to discover the kid is dead or close to death, then you should face some blame also. Perhaps she didn't expect the 15-year old to go about and do this but you should have taken it into consideration. If there is an increased chance of something bad happening, then just because it has not happened a few times does not mean that it won't happen. I say charge the mother also.

Although I'm interested in hearing what he claims to have and what he is found to have, and what the sentence ends up being.

[NightFighter]

That boy had really bad grammar! If she was just popping out for 90minutes then why couldnt she take the girl with her?
I cant believe anyone could do that to a child! :( Poor girl.

[DarkWingedAngel]

Look, I understand that you're somewhat offended at me saying that teenagers are irresponsible, but lets face it. A teenager is not going to know how to deal with children and is going to mess something up.
Okay, I wanna prove that point wrong.
I, myself am a teenager. Yet, I, myself can fully take care of a child of any age.
I do agree that most teens can't, but there are a lot of teens that know how to take care of a child.

[ackmedsgirl666]

Okay, I wanna prove that point wrong.
I, myself am a teenager. Yet, I, myself can fully take care of a child of any age.
I do agree that most teens can't, but there are a lot of teens that know how to take care of a child.
agreed

[Truth]

This sickens me.

Who leaves a two year old with a fifteen year old anyway? That's like asking for trouble. Im 13 and babysit my 2 yr old sis. =x

[Ripplemagne]

Okay, I wanna prove that point wrong.
I, myself am a teenager. Yet, I, myself can fully take care of a child of any age.
I do agree that most teens can't, but there are a lot of teens that know how to take care of a child.

I debated this issue with HeardButNotSeen via PM. Your personal example doesn't disprove anything because I, clearly, said this:

I didn't say they were. But you have to consider that a boy, especially, whose hormones are raging might attempt molestation. They could get annoyed at the crying and strike her and what not.

But beyond that, there's naivete and simple irresponsibility. What if he gave her food that she was allergic to? What if he let her play in the medicine supply closet? What if he let her near the stairs? Or just went to pick her up and dropped her?

There's a reason fifteen year olds are still going through puberty and it's because they're not ready to be handling children. There are some rare exceptions, but I would never leave my child with a fifteen year old.

Given a serious crisis, I sincerely doubt that you'd be prepared to handle it, but that's neither here nor there. Can you look after a child? I'm sure you could. Anyone could and, usually, there won't be an issue. But taking care of them is very different. You may have been lucky to not be in a major situation as are the (I'm sure) millions of times it goes off without a hitch.

But as a responsible parent, I wouldn't take the risk that nothing bad would happen. Because, in the situation, there's pretty much a meltdown. I believe the majority of you are only arguing with me on this issue because you don't want to feel like your own parents are irresponsible. But the fact of the matter is that there is no empirical data to disprove what I'm saying, so, in essence, you're trying to disprove my opinion.

[ylllek nivyer]

people who do stuff like that should be tied up i a room with 2 extremely buff, mean guys that would just make his life hell for like 5 years straight. it'd be somthin like this:

boy: "please, just give me something to eat and drink, or i'll die."
buff dude #1: "EAT MY COCK MEAT SANWICH"
buff dude #2: "sure you can drink. DRINK THIS PISSORADE"
then they would kick him in the balls and do work.

[MysticalBurrito]

What.The.FUCK?!!?!?
Who could do that to such a cute child?!

[Ripplemagne]

Does it really matter if the child is cute?

[Schon]

and to deny it like nothing happened.... wow just wow

[Reality]

Why are people blaming the mother? Not all the details are clear. He could have been a close neighbour, and there's nothing there besides a fucking lawyers defence that suggests he was "off his rocker".

"The boy, who cannot be named because of his age, denies murder. The defence will say he suffered an abnormality of mind which impaired his responsibility"

Shocking excuse. Why does the world lack accountability and responsibility these days? Everything that happens has to blamed on something or somebody else.

Face it. The boy beat her to death. Regardless of whether something "impaired" his responsibility or the childs mother made a mistake in picking a baby sitter. He deserves to get a full charge for murder.

[YourFriend]

what a pyscho...