Iranian election a fraud, international solidarity NOW!

[peaceloverugby]

The Iranian election was rigged by Ahmadinejad. A contact of mine (via facebook which is available to her via proxy servers) in Iran informed me that an Interior Ministry official released the real results: Mousavi 19 million and Ahmadinejad 8 million. This man promptly went missing. Get the word out: Iranians DID NOT re-elect Ahmadinejad, they want the world to know.

[Dagenadriel]

If this is true, the world need to Know. The UN should really intervene here and get to the bottom of things.


( for twitter users http://helpiranelection.com )

[Whisper]

I don't trust you or your source in the slightest
I'd like to see some more credible evidence before i consider believing it to be true
Even then I would not intervene

This is an internal matter
That we as the western nations have no business meddling in
If he rigged the election then they could be facing a dictatorship, coup, or civil war none of which should we interfere with
we left Sri Lanka alone and for the most part we're leaving Columbia alone

The west needs to stop deciding who governs the middle east
Our insistence on that is what has lead to the initial back lash were trying to clean up now

Iran is already pissed at us especially the United States
If we show any evidence of trying to topple them they could spin it and breed anew massive hatred and distrust of the west creating a rich rerouting ground for insurgents

[Oblivion]

Although I do believe it was faked... I don't really trust your source.
If anyone in Iran had internet or phone right now, they would immediately contact the UN or a country willing to help/spread the word. Not a teenage friend. ;)
Not to burst your bubble or anything... Just seems unlikely.
Plus, most of the world suspects it was faked anyways. They 'counted' the ballots in a few hours, when all the ballots were by hand... Usually it takes days. Then they suddenly decided to shut off all phone and monitor the internet... Hmm, wonder why?!

[peaceloverugby]

First off, there are rumours of a failed coup de etat having already taken place. Rumours nonetheless. Second of all, Internet is not down completely in Iran, and they are trying to get the message out, just ask the folks at Twitter. Third of all, the UN is useless bullshit, if they're concerned with peacekeeping, why did they allow the US to invade Iraq? Why didn't they intervene during the Troubles in the north of Ireland? If they are so concerned with peacekeeping, why have they stood idle and played dumb as Israeli soldiers murder innocent Palestinian women and children? The only thing the UN does well is feed people, and they've even managed to cock that up a few time.

[Oblivion]

First of all... I know, that's what I said.
Second of all I meant non-monitored non government internet. -.-
Third of all, the UN is a organization of all major country leaders... It's not like a overlord to the world, where they tell everyone what to do. They don't prevent people from going to war unless it's completely irrational, and it could possibly start a world war... Like North Korea. Plus, the US funds most of the UN, and has one of the 5 major seats in its power... Not like they'd say "Don't go or we'll kick you out".

[peaceloverugby]

See, now you're pissing me off:

1. You say, "they don't prevent people from going to war unless it is completely irrational..." If the war in Iraq isn't irrational, I don't know what is! Fine, you're right, it's not irrational, it's worse than that: it's the dumbest fucking thing our country has done.

And do you seriously think Bush would've invaded Iraq if the UN had said something? I know he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not THAT stupid.

[Whisper]

This was supposed to be a news thread not a pissing contest
calm down

You still haven't given a legitimate reason why the west should risk interfering or the horrible backlash that WOULD result if we did
We're already babysitting two countries in the middle east I don't get the advantage of adding a third

Leave Iran alone
I don't care what they do with internal matters anymore then I care about Benin

[peaceloverugby]

Where did I say we should interfere!?!?! What I'm saying is we need to help Iranians get the news out that the election is fraudulent: not give them guns or troops. They need our help with this because the government is preventing them from getting the news out. I don't like Ahmadinejad, but Mousavi's policies aren't all that different. I'm not advocating intervention: if the Iranian people want revolution, they will start one. While I don't think the US should be the "world police," I know apathy will do no good whatsoever.

[Gumleaf]

vt chronicle >>> ramblings of the wise

[redcar]

Well clearly there was fraud going on. Ahmadinejad won in every district I believe, when in reality he is only popular in certain areas and he even won in districts where the other candidates are from.

People talk like he is the one with the power in the country, the real power is with the Supreme Leader. This is entirely an internal matter for Iran and the west and any other country have no business interfering. As for the UN they have about as much power as my little finger in such matters.

I, however, hope that it is sorted soon because otherwise more people will end up dead.

[Sapphire]

As far as Mousavi going missing, I'm not sure. I have seen a number of articles which place him in the public eye only a few days ago.

We can't actually do anything about the election results. I believe that Mousavi or another Iranian official has requested a repeat election so I hope that it goes ahead and runs smoother.

The Iranians internet usage and telephone usage have both been restricted. This is a fact.
Protesters have been met with excessive and sometimes even deadly force. This is against the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which applies to Iran as they are a member state.

Something we can do is appeal to the Iranians to adhere to this Covenant and allow everyone access to their human rights.

UK link: http://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions_details.asp?ActionID=615
USA link: http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=jhKPIXPCIoE&b=2590179&aid=12454

[lamboman43]

Where did I say we should interfere!?!?! What I'm saying is we need to help Iranians get the news out that the election is fraudulent: not give them guns or troops.

Everyone knows that the election is bull shit. The world knew once they elected Ahmedineadork. The bad thing is that even if they recount they can lie again and again. No matter how many protests there are, Ahmedineadork wont step down.

[peaceloverugby]

As far as Mousavi going missing, I'm not sure. I have seen a number of articles which place him in the public eye only a few days ago.

No no, Mousavi isn't missing, the man from the Interior Ministry is.