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Reality
June 14th, 2009, 02:06 PM
When we think of these two things, we think of two polar opposites on the morality spectrum. We think of the "good" as those super heroes, and other protagonists in movies, books and video games. In real-life, the "good" are the people in the Fire Service, the Police, the Hospital and Ambulance crew such as paramedics and doctors, and also the people that serve in our countries militaries.

When most of us think of "evil", we think of monsters and egotistical "I want to take over the world" aliens or men, amongst various other things in movies, books and videogames. In real-life, the "evil" in our lives, are stereotypically the various criminals - murderers, rapists, theives, and gangsters, and we also think of terrorists and other extremist political views in the past - like Nazism, and Fascism.

But does "Evil" really exist in the real world? Or is that purely opinion?

To the USA, UK and most of the Western world, we tend to view people who use extreme violence to press their views on us. Like in 9/11, 7/7 and various other attacks.

However, when we look deeper into "terrorists" such as the Irish Republican Army, some of us sympathize with their motives. Originally, they freed Southern Ireland from British rule, but in the later year, bombed various places over Ireland the UK and killed thousands of people, to get their message across that the Northern Ireland should be united with the Republic of Ireland.

In WWII, most of us are from countries that were part of the Allies (UK, France, Russia, USA, Australia, Canada, etc), and when we look at the Germans and Japanese, we think they're such evil and horrible things. We look in disgust at the fact Hitler killed lots of Jews, Gypsies, and other minorities in the Holocaust, we also look in disgust at the Japanese who raped and killed various people in Asian countries like in the Philippines and bombed the US Naval base - Pearl Harbor, for apparently no reason.

But then again, are the "Allies", really all that good ourselves? The British Royal Air Force bombed thousands of civilians in the German city of Dresden, the U.S. Air Force dropped two atomic bombs on Negasaki and Hiroshima in Japan to end the war, in the process killing thousands of Japanese, and heavily polluting the area, with the effects of radiation causing cancer in some survivors, and children to be born deformed after the end of WWII.

We use the justification, "it was a war", "we saved many lives while doing this", "they did it to us". But does two wrongs really make a right? Are we really not "evil", also?

After the end of WWII, we put various Japanese and German politicians and military officials on trial, and executed some of them for "war crimes" and "attrocities". But if the Allies had lost the war, they would have put us on trial for war crimes.

I used the classic example of WWII to provoke thoughts, by the way. I'm not a secret Nazi sympathizer, I actually don't really support war anyway.

So, thoughts?

Sage
June 14th, 2009, 02:17 PM
Good and evil are subjective. Think of your personal, perfect world- Anything that brings you closer to that vision is good, and anything that goes against it is evil.

scuba steve
June 14th, 2009, 02:19 PM
i believe in the ying yang theory that for every good there is evil and with every evil there is good

oh and by the way at the time the world thought the atom bomb was just another weapon and had no idea of the massive consequences of the effects it has on people simply using it as a way to send a message to japan that usa is not to be messed with and it worked.
the allies where also at an arms race for the atom bomb with the nazis which could have brought about a differant conclusion to the war.

sorry for straying but you wanted to provoke thoughts and you did

Reality
June 14th, 2009, 02:46 PM
i believe in the ying yang theory that for every good there is evil and with every evil there is good
The point of the topic is whether you believe in actual good and evil, or what do you actually consider good and evil?

oh and by the way at the time the world thought the atom bomb was just another weapon and had no idea of the massive consequences of the effects it has on people simply using it as a way to send a message to japan that usa is not to be messed with and it worked.
the allies where also at an arms race for the atom bomb with the nazis which could have brought about a differant conclusion to the war.

sorry for straying but you wanted to provoke thoughts and you did
This isn't about WWII, I only used it as an example of the whole good and evil discussion, so don't trail this off-topic, please.

But by the way on that topic and also relevant to this thread I made, I'm talking about after WWII. I'm sure many people were naive about the effects of the atomic bombs back then, but nowadays, you still have many people today who label the Axis powers as "evil", but completely forget about the attrocities the atomic bombs and other bombings did by the Allies, hell you even get some sicko's who laugh about it and are proud of USA's nuclear power, and ability to "nuke" even worse than what happened in Japan, seeing as todays nuclear weapons are more powerful than what was created in WWII.

goin to work
June 14th, 2009, 02:50 PM
i bleve that you cant ask if it exists becuse its up to what person you talk to if you a devil worshiping than your good is differnt than a bible beating baptist so its all up to what you bleive just as is anny morlity question

Aneklusmos
June 14th, 2009, 05:00 PM
As for war in general, thats why im a pacifist. Personally i think good and evil are subjective. It all depends on your views. While I, as a pacifist, may see anyone who has killed as someone evil, you may base your assumption off of what they killed for. Evil is in the eye of the beholder

Camazotz
June 14th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Good and evil are subjective. Think of your personal, perfect world- Anything that brings you closer to that vision is good, and anything that goes against it is evil.

To put it in simple terms, good and evil are a matter of opinion. They depend on what one's dreams are; if it helps it come true, it's good. If it ruins it, it's evil.

Brazdar
June 16th, 2009, 05:37 AM
Lately I'm really starting to consider that there might be no good or evil, those two might be one thing and they're part of a cycle, part of nature; though we're humans and humans were too those who committed atrocities, who started wars... and as humans, I think it's up to each of us to decide what should we do, we can be animals obeying to the laws of nature, gain territory, conquer, survive, or we can prove we are more than animals and still try surviving.

HelloWorld123456
June 16th, 2009, 06:35 AM
well good and evil do exisit ... the point is this Quoting Albert Einstein ... There is Good but not evil ... Evil is the lack of good ... Like there is light but not darkness ... Darkness is the absence of Light ... And there is goes ... Actually there is only good while evil is create with our lack of goodness =]

INFERNO
June 18th, 2009, 01:36 AM
Good and evil are subjective, just as is saying something/someone is strong or weak. They are descriptions for something or someone, and there is no "true" definition for it, only the definition that each person gives. There is no true definition for strength and weakness either, it all depends on the person's view.

L
June 21st, 2009, 06:48 AM
as everyone is saying, good and evil are subjective. i'm sure Hitler thought what he was doing was the good thing to do, because he was brought up believing that jews where evil. now were brought up believing that Hitler was evil, so we believe it.

actually, going against what i had said (good and evil are subjective) i kind of have a question. how could a person who gives their life and money to the poor and needy not be good? because good is subjective right?

INFERNO
June 21st, 2009, 02:57 PM
actually, going against what i had said (good and evil are subjective) i kind of have a question. how could a person who gives their life and money to the poor and needy not be good? because good is subjective right?

I think you answered your own question. Before one is to answer your question, one has to consider what they define "good" to be. But the other part of the answer has to do with the history of the person in question: suppose that person was a 90-year old man. Suppose he was a sadistic serial killer, then would that alter your decision? Suppose he was suicidal and had little money to give in the first place. So to answer it, you should know the history of the person and the subjective definition of "good".

The Boy Genius
August 1st, 2009, 09:54 AM
Well history is written by the winners that's just fact. i am not sure if i believe in Good People and Evil People i believe in good deeds and bad deeds but this does not reflect the person Eg in Aldin he steals bread to survive which is a bad deed but he is the " diamond in the ruff"

Bougainvillea
August 1st, 2009, 10:33 AM
I think it depends on peoples moral values.

Kaius
August 1st, 2009, 12:07 PM
Eh, the way i sorta think about it is, you need to have one to have the other. If there was no evil/bad there would be no 'good' because it would just be an action. and the same if there was no good. It would have nothing to compare to.

Triceratops
August 1st, 2009, 04:17 PM
This is how I see it; people have their own perceptions and opinions of what is good or evil, strong or weak, right or wrong and so on.

There is no true definition of these kinds of things.

mosaic.
August 1st, 2009, 05:40 PM
I agree with Albert Einstein.

Evil is the absence of good. Dark is the absence of light. Cold is the absence of heat.

Alone, they do not exist. Evil is not subjective. Good is. This is how I view it.

ManyPearTree
August 1st, 2009, 07:15 PM
Lol, it depend on which side you're on

drpepper21
August 2nd, 2009, 02:18 PM
its purely opinion.

DareDevil
September 23rd, 2009, 01:07 AM
The original post actually reminded me of the opening to Jekyll & Hyde, heh. If I had my script on hand, I'd post some snippets here.

But to answer the question, first of all, you can't have one without the other. Unless Good acts are present to be distinguishable from Evil acts, all you have are Acts, plain and simple.

Now, whether something is good, evil, or in the gray is a matter of your perception. Wars are interesting situations to bring up, because it's a rare thing one side acknowledges themselves as evil. Usually that sort of acceptance only comes about in fiction or with the disturbed. A saying we have in theatre however is that 'Truth lies with the audience.'

So say that A and B are in a conflict. It really doesn't matter what they think about it, who's right and who's trying to cause harm. All that really matters is how C perceives the conflict, because that's the judgement that will stick.

Gumleaf
September 23rd, 2009, 02:33 AM
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