VT is a Social Networking Site for Horny Teenagers

[Donkey]

... Sometimes.

Looking around at new members profiles. All the topless profile pics, albums with people commenting on their attractiveness and other sexual comments.

Seriously, what the fuck? This is a help site, not a dating site. Some of these I'm talking about are the ones who fill out all the p101 surveys, to be blunt.

It does have to stop, and I understand that may be hard. I suggest finding as many people as possible, taking the pictures & comments off and pming them explaining this.

Now if the person who has posted these images is a good user, & helps people I don't see a problem. It's when people sign up just for this reason, to get comments on them and talk to others with chats.

When I had my MSN up here, I'd always get guys adding me asking for my penis size and sexuality. I had to remove it from my profile for that reason and block all of them.

I've noticed a lot more of this recently.

[Requin]

Yeah so have I. Lots of members have. I honestly don't know how you could enforce it though, we could give it a go. But it depends on what Ant is prepared to do, and how to deal with it.

Has anyone got any ideas? I have none.

[ShatteredWings]

get rid of p101?

[Requin]

Well I did say ideas.
I don't think that would go through. We would lose many members that way. I doubt that staff would go for it. I don't know actually.

See what others say. I would lose my job to start with. :P
lol

[MysticalBurrito]

Sadly I agree with Gwyn and Jon, things are getting out of hand. even when I first joined there where never as many "PLEASE READ-----UNDERWEAR" stuff..

[The Batman]

It's a site full of horny teens what more do you expect? As long as they are within the rules I don't see a problem with guys posting shirtless pics and people commenting on them.

[Maverick]

I suggest finding as many people as possible, taking the pictures & comments off and pming them explaining this.

Now if the person who has posted these images is a good user, & helps people I don't see a problem. It's when people sign up just for this reason, to get comments on them and talk to others with chats.
There's no possible way we can filter between good users and picture comment whores. If you guys want these features you have to live with the fact that there are these types of users joining.

If you guys want to stop it we can go back to the days where VT was a lot more simpler like when we were on 3.6 and have limited profiles and less social networking.

But when you are gonna have these social features people are going to use them for different reasons.

When I had my MSN up here, I'd always get guys adding me asking for my penis size and sexuality. I had to remove it from my profile for that reason and block all of them.
Jon that's nothing new. It was a problem now and a problem 3-4 years ago.

[Donkey]

Actually that is a good idea, drop all the social networking features. This is a help site anyway, so I see no use in them.

[ShatteredWings]

Does that involve PM system too?

[Sapphire]

Jon, this is a teenage website and teens are notoriously horny. There is no getting around that.
I agree with your statement about how we are a site that aim to help people and that these fancy social networking things aren't necessary.
But they are nice to have and to use and it helps the members who use them to bond a bit more.

I also think that it isn't necessary for members to use these features or even look at them if they don't want to. No one is forcing you to look at member's photos or photo comments.

Jon that's nothing new. It was a problem now and a problem 3-4 years ago.QFT.

Does that involve PM system too?
No, I'm pretty sure that the PM system has always been about.

[nick]

No one is forcing you to look at member's photos or photo comments.
Well I agree with that on the whole, although when its someones avatar its hard to avoid.

For me the key question would be whether this is in anyway interfering with those people who dont want to look at the puberty threads or dont want to look at profile albumns. Provided those people that want to get help on other issues are still able to do so cant these things co-exist?

[AllThatIsLeft]

I dont agree.... i like VT the way it is.
Yes those stupid adds asking for inappropriate questions are annoying, but if I can handle it as I receive at least 10 of them a week, I'm pretty sure everyone can.

I don't like that the site keeps taking away features for the sake of commodity.
one way or another something else will happen, it's all about the information you post.
I have MSN, Skype, and AIM. As you see, only AIM is in my profile. That limits all the adds to one IM system.

PMs can be ignored, and reported.

And those searching for pic comments.... well just deal with it.
It's not that big of a deal.

and if P101 is removed. that will decrease the size of this forum considerably.
and in all honestly it's P101 that brought many of the users,

so i say just limit your personal info, and let the rest be.

[-Silence]

The way I see it, if you don't like something, and it bothers you so much it downgrades the site.

You know where the door is. Leave.

It's impossible to change the site to everyone's likings.

[Donkey]

Okay the main idea isn't about removing the features.

It's about these people.

I posted this for you to post your ideas too, but you seem to disagree. Why don't you come up with something?

I've talked to several people about it, and everyone agrees that this should change.

Heather, I will not be leaving thanks. It doesn't bother me so much, it's just a suggestion. We don't have to downgrade, the features can just be turned off. :rolleyes:

[Sapphire]

"These people" relates to which group of members?
Do you mean the ones that are joining, living in the P101 forums and with topless photos (I'm assuming you mean males in respect to the last bit)?

[goin to work]

we got do start droping them by what they post cuz some of the stuff is just stupid we dont need in the p101 haveing sureys saying your dick size and how much you masterbate the horney fucks get off to that

[Oblivion]

There is a report button on almost every function of the site. If something is inappropriate... Report it.
Otherwise, I don't really see a problem with pictures/comments. People regularly report bad (not including shirtless... You see shirtless people/pics daily. Not a big deal.) pictures and comments, and they are taken down.
I mean, I've never been a fan, but apparently other members have been, or they would never have been on here, or still here.

As for MSN stuff, I'm not sure if you saw, but Laura and the seniors recently released some information about what to do about that (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46283).

[Aηdy]

As long as it's not breaking any rules I can't see it being a problem. Over the years I've had dozens of people add me on msn for reasons I don't like, it's not hard to block them though. And so what if people want to post pictures of themselves with a little less clothing than usual? As long as there are no nudes then no rules are being broken. No one is forcing you to look at them either. We can't change everything just to please one person, if you don't like it then feel free to click here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1245004412-b6e846f0543abaa8baefd396e4e84df771b9e3f4). Also VT isn't a dating site, our main proirity always has been and still is to help people, so some of us want to have a little fun on top of that? It's no big deal, you have to live with it, it's what some of us call life.

[Donkey]

As long as it's not breaking any rules I can't see it being a problem. Over the years I've had dozens of people add me on msn for reasons I don't like, it's not hard to block them though. And so what if people want to post pictures of themselves with a little less clothing than usual? As long as there are no nudes then no rules are being broken. No one is forcing you to look at them either. We can't change everything just to please one person, if you don't like it then feel free to click here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1245004412-b6e846f0543abaa8baefd396e4e84df771b9e3f4). Also VT isn't a dating site, our main proirity always has been and still is to help people, so some of us want to have a little fun on top of that? It's no big deal, you have to live with it, it's what some of us call life.
For fucks sake, why can't any of you listen to me?

I'm talking about people JOINING for the purpose of posting those pictures. Not about people who joined for other reasons, then post one or two.

Christ's sake.

[Aηdy]

As above, it's life, deal with it.

If they cause problems then they can simply be warned, or eventually banned. It's been the same since the birth of VT.

[Θάνατος]

You can tell who the members are who join this site for the purpose of dating or if I will be so bluntly to state it sexual gratification.

Jon do what I did and take away all of your contact information off of your profile. I agree with Paula I can handle the people who request to trade picture or even ask you to cam with them. I never report them because if you tell them to leave you alone they will.

I do agree that there should be restrictions put on newer members or at least the members who have less than 100 posts. If you have noticed there are members who have been on VT for years and have never posted. I think these members should be removed because we all know the reason there are here.

Well this is just my thoughts on this subject.

[goin to work]

if the kids with thir shirts off and there dick size survys and thhere stupid shit why dont we just get every one who bleves in kicking thes fucks out join together and if enuff people say hey im hear to help people and be helped not this shit then the mods will fix things but us just bitching and puting in our two sence worth dont do annything we gata get people who what this fixed and get this shit done

[Θάνατος]

The polls and pictures are not hurting any one. The way to get rid of these people is to report them to a gmod or admin, when they approach you for camming or trading pictures. The mods are powerless when it comes to banning some one and can only freeze until some one with the authority to ban can ban this person.

[Whisper]

Actually that is a good idea, drop all the social networking features. This is a help site anyway, so I see no use in them.
Thankfully VT doesn't work like that
If you don't like it don't look at it
If you don't like the avatar add them to your ignore list

These features are a great improvement from the phpBB days I'm proud of how far the site has come; program wise. It has been a major determining factor in VT's growth.

DO NOT GET RID OF P101
It was created as containment
the last thing we need is for that dam to be removed
erugh

So to put it in a simple a term as possible
If you don't like the way VT's run
Nobody's forcing you to be here

[MoveAlong]

1. I agree that the comments on some people's photos seem a little like pick-up lines.
2. I agree that puberty questions in blogs are really annoying.
3. I agree that some of the blogs are really innappropriate. Like seriously, one is called the bulge report, where this guy talks about all the bulges he's seen in the last like month and all the peeks of guys boners he tries to get. And yes, that is on this site.
4. I agree that people who add you to ask you "puberty" questions are really annoying and gross.
5. I agree that you wish less people like that would join.

But it's not going to happen. Except maybe stopping number 3. That's just gross.
I think that nobody should have their MSN or AIM or anything open on this site, and if somebody wants it, they should PM you. So that's what I've done.

It may seem bad, but these people are not breaking any rules. It seems slutty but that's the worst part of the forum, and also the part that got the most people joining too.

P101 is two faced because it brings in members (sometimes our best members), but it's gross. We just have to live with that.

As far as getting rid of the social stuff, I personally think albums are a waste, but that's just my opinion because I don't use them. I also think we should have blog moderators but I don't know if that's part of the system. The other stuff, you can prevent yourself. DON'T leave your MSN up here, that's just asking for it :P

[Donkey]

1. I agree that the comments on some people's photos seem a little like pick-up lines.
2. I agree that puberty questions in blogs are really annoying.
3. I agree that some of the blogs are really innappropriate. Like seriously, one is called the bulge report, where this guy talks about all the bulges he's seen in the last like month and all the peeks of guys boners he tries to get. And yes, that is on this site.
4. I agree that people who add you to ask you "puberty" questions are really annoying and gross.
5. I agree that you wish less people like that would join.

But it's not going to happen. Except maybe stopping number 3. That's just gross.
I think that nobody should have their MSN or AIM or anything open on this site, and if somebody wants it, they should PM you. So that's what I've done.

It may seem bad, but these people are not breaking any rules. It seems slutty but that's the worst part of the forum, and also the part that got the most people joining too.

P101 is two faced because it brings in members (sometimes our best members), but it's gross. We just have to live with that.

As far as getting rid of the social stuff, I personally think albums are a waste, but that's just my opinion because I don't use them. I also think we should have blog moderators but I don't know if that's part of the system. The other stuff, you can prevent yourself. DON'T leave your MSN up here, that's just asking for it :P
Finally someone gets it. >.>

[Sapphire]

Finally someone gets it. >.>
We all get what you're saying but we don't all necessarily agree with it. Yes, it can get very annoying. Yes, a large part of this behaviour is unecessary and uncalled for. But this isn't a huge enough problem that can only be solved by depriving everyone of features like blogs, photo albums etc.

If VT changed to suit every whim then it wouldn't be the place it is today.
I have had many a vent/rant about aspects of this site that I feel are deviant from what we are supposed to be about etc. You will have seen one or two.

But VT won't change for one person and I'm glad. It shows that our management team are strong, know where they want this site to go and what they want this site to include. These are all good qualities for leadership and I respect them a hell of a lot for that.

[Donkey]

No, Carole, you don't get it.

This thread was not about taking away all the features like all of you are shouting at me for suggesting, it's about you to come up with ideas on ways to stop this. I'm sure it's something we'd all rather not have. But instead of giving ideas, you just criticized mine. So fuck it. If you're gonna be that way.

[Sapphire]

No, Carole, you don't get it.

This thread was not about taking away all the features like all of you are shouting at me for suggesting, it's about you to come up with ideas on ways to stop this. I'm sure it's something we'd all rather not have. But instead of giving ideas, you just criticized mine. So fuck it. If you're gonna be that way.
Yes, Jon, we do get it.

I have been angered by, frustrated by and triggered (to want to self harm) by the vast mass of puberty/sex related posts on here. Trust me, I would be a hell of a lot happier without all of that but I have had to learn to deal with it. I too (when I was younger) have had to remove my email and MSN from my profile because of guys from VT wanting all sorts of shit and I have only just put them back up there.

What you have to realise is that, beyond taking down your email/MSN from your profile and personally monitoring what you do and don't look at while on here there, isn't a way of stopping it without turning this place into a complete dictatorship and none of us want that.

If you see something you feel is breaking the rules then report it.
If it doesn't break rules and you see it but don't like it then you will have to deal with it the same way the rest of us do.

Also, I haven't criticised you so don't know where you got that from. But if you want to percieve it that way then by all means carry on...

[nick]

I'm in a strange position here. I post mainly in the p101 threads, they have most relevance to me. I also enjoy some of the topless photos, sorry, i'm bi, you all know that, so what do you expect. I don't see that they do a lot of harm, although I agree it makes you wonder quite what the person is trying to achieve when that's their avatar.

But then again, those of you who know me well think I'm too cautious about giving out my msn details etc. Well you cant have it all ways. I'm very very cautious in that respect, and despite posting fairly open and frank experiences dont get junk mail through as a result.

[Atonement]

A lot of forums, there are restrictions of privledges based on time there, post count, etc.

I believe if we could put a restriction like, can't post a blog til 50 posts, can't start a thread till 5 posts, can't enter chat till a week on VT. STuff like that.

[Sapphire]

A lot of forums, there are restrictions of privledges based on time there, post count, etc.

I believe if we could put a restriction like, can't post a blog til 50 posts, can't start a thread till 5 posts, can't enter chat till a week on VT. STuff like that.
While that sounds like a good idea it isn't difficult to get 5 or 15 posts. That can very easily be done in the puberty sections alone in an hour or three.
It hardly prevents the issue from occurring.

[MoveAlong]

No I immediately disagree with the "can't post a thread till 5 posts" idea.
1. That encourages people to post in other's threads with their questions (thread hijacking, and this comes up frequently...we don't want it to happen more).
2. The purpose of this site is to post in order to get help for their problems. If you can't create a thread until a specific amount of time, that's like diminishing the purpose.
3. How are we going to get people to realize that they need to post 5 times before they post a thread? Nobody reads things, if you haven't noticed.

[Aηdy]

Let's face it. It's always going to be the same. Putting any restrictions on will only put potential decent members off. If you don't like it then tough, because I really doubt anything will change.

[Sapphire]

2. The purpose of this site is to post in order to get help for their problems. If you can't create a thread until a specific amount of time, that's like diminishing the purpose.
3. How are we going to get people to realize that they need to post 5 times before they post a thread? Nobody reads things, if you haven't noticed.
I agree unreservedly with this!

[Ripplemagne]

I quite like VT the way it is. Restricting too much on a forum tends to kill it. What happens if you squeeze a bar of soap too tight? It slips out of your hand.

Edited. ~Laura.

[Antares]

... Sometimes.

Looking around at new members profiles. All the topless profile pics, albums with people commenting on their attractiveness and other sexual comments.

Seriously, what the fuck? This is a help site, not a dating site. Some of these I'm talking about are the ones who fill out all the p101 surveys, to be blunt.

It does have to stop, and I understand that may be hard. I suggest finding as many people as possible, taking the pictures & comments off and pming them explaining this.

Now if the person who has posted these images is a good user, & helps people I don't see a problem. It's when people sign up just for this reason, to get comments on them and talk to others with chats.

When I had my MSN up here, I'd always get guys adding me asking for my penis size and sexuality. I had to remove it from my profile for that reason and block all of them.

I've noticed a lot more of this recently.

So whats your idea? Whats your suggestion?

I mean, it seems you have handled everything yourself. You took down your MSN and now you are not bothered anymore. If someone is being inappropriate, report them. I don't see the problem.

I know that hormonal teenagers are very present on this site....but thats what this site is for. Hormonal or sometimes barely stable teenagers.

Even if we did "get rid of p101" we would basically lose the whole site. I would say 60 percent of all members come from P101. A lot of our greatest members found this site from P101...so thats really out of the question.

But then again, I have no idea what you are suggesting? I don't think you mean remove P101

[IAMWILL]

Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand.

Respect each others opinions,
if you don't like it ignore it,
just because its taken from a different perspective doesn't mean its misunderstood,
get over it,
it will always be there no matter what,
MOVE ON!

[Sugaree]

You all honestly are acting like a bunch of 2 year olds. I'm agreeing with Will here that we all need to respect others opinions and not misunderstand each other.

Now, on to the question: I'm going to agree with what Andy said. It's life and you need to deal with it. True, VT is meant to be an advice site, but that doesn't mean it's members can't fun right? If people want to post pics of themselves, then I say let them. If they want to do it topless (I've seen mostly guys do this), then let them. As long as there is no graphic nudity then they aren't breaking rules. I can also agree with you on some of the picture comments. They do seem like pick up lines and it makes VT look like a dating site (which it isn't).

Look, no one is forcing you or telling you to look at the pictures. If you don't like it, then just turn the other cheek and forget about it. If you don't like some of the social features, then that's your own problem. We can't just turn them all off and go back to the ancient era of VT and not have any social interaction (except with the PM system). If the administration were to just crush down to the whim of one person to turn off all social features, then I would lose all faith in this site.

As I said, and as many others have said, if you don't like it, you don't like it, because shit happens.

[rubidoux]

lol, you just noticed this? 90% of the most recently active threads are about masturbating, how big your penis is, etc. I don't even have to look at profiles to know this.

Anyway, topless pics? Don't you guys have rules for submitted photos here?

[Donkey]

So whats your idea? Whats your suggestion?

I mean, it seems you have handled everything yourself. You took down your MSN and now you are not bothered anymore. If someone is being inappropriate, report them. I don't see the problem.

I know that hormonal teenagers are very present on this site....but thats what this site is for. Hormonal or sometimes barely stable teenagers.

Even if we did "get rid of p101" we would basically lose the whole site. I would say 60 percent of all members come from P101. A lot of our greatest members found this site from P101...so thats really out of the question.

But then again, I have no idea what you are suggesting? I don't think you mean remove P101
I mentioned P101 once in the post, not even hinting to do anything like removing it. I was saying it's important that we cut down on some of the stuff.

You know, it's not unnormal for a forum to have shirtless pictures disallowed. If you don't allow stories because it could attract a bad audience in P101, what kind of audience are these pictures going to attract?

:/

[AllThatIsLeft]

I say drop it, ignore it, and move on.

[nick]

content no longer relevant

[Θάνατος]

I agree with Donkey here. I do see his point.

I mean this is not a dating site and shirtless pictures of guys or girls really is pushing the envelope.

Jon is not asking for P101 to be closed he is asking for people to show some decency and put some clothes on. These picture should be allowed in the person's photo album on here but really should not be part of the person's avatar. Too many people push the envelope.

[Neverender]

So whats your idea? Whats your suggestion?

I mean, it seems you have handled everything yourself. You took down your MSN and now you are not bothered anymore. If someone is being inappropriate, report them. I don't see the problem.

I know that hormonal teenagers are very present on this site....but thats what this site is for. Hormonal or sometimes barely stable teenagers.

Even if we did "get rid of p101" we would basically lose the whole site. I would say 60 percent of all members come from P101. A lot of our greatest members found this site from P101...so thats really out of the question.

Agreed. I came from P101, and i was one of the few respectable people in there. and i have recieved unknown amounts of PMs asking for pics and stuff. doesn't bother me much. i just report them (i believe the number is 6 bans by now, eh Ant?). And as i recall, Jon (Donkey, not Mars), you came from P101 as well and was just like all the other people over there, except you kept posting and became respectable, thats the way it works on this forum. but as for adding restrictions to our social networking, that is really a terrible idea, i dont have any ideas for controlling this, but i dont have much problem with it. this site IS for help, but why cant we just have fun with it too? i'd hate to see this site turn into an Oligarchy/Dictatorship, and i'm sure that almost everyone else would as well. and if people comment on a picture of you, just delete the comment.




(and i read nothing on the 3rd page, i got bored of this thread, so if this post has been sorted out, never mind it.)

[Donkey]

Agreed. I came from P101, and i was one of the few respectable people in there. and i have recieved unknown amounts of PMs asking for pics and stuff. doesn't bother me much. i just report them (i believe the number is 6 bans by now, eh Ant?). And as i recall, Jon (Donkey, not Mars), you came from P101 as well and was just like all the other people over there, except you kept posting and became respectable, thats the way it works on this forum. but as for adding restrictions to our social networking, that is really a terrible idea, i dont have any ideas for controlling this, but i dont have much problem with it. this site IS for help, but why cant we just have fun with it too? i'd hate to see this site turn into an Oligarchy/Dictatorship, and i'm sure that almost everyone else would as well. and if people comment on a picture of you, just delete the comment.
Yeah... I never mentioned removing P101. I do post in P101, just saying it usually attracts those who are more likely to use VT as a social networking site.

[MoveAlong]

Yeah... I never mentioned removing P101. I do post in P101, just saying it usually attracts those who are more likely to use VT as a social networking site.

I don't think he said anything about removing P101.

[YourFriend]

If you ask me, nothing should be removed, i am here just 2 months but i know that it would totally change the site.

Only solution i can find is that those ppl who have such pics in their avatars should control themselves, but there is nothing here what moderators could change, deal with it, this is on members level and it can only be changed by those members who do such things, but that's just my opinion.

Again, i think that NOTHING on this site should be changed or removed....

[Neverender]

I don't think he said anything about removing P101.

other people suggested it, i grouped all those people into a whole.

[Antares]

I think shirtless pics shouldn't be allowed.
People don't post shirtless pics unless they have a special agenda or intent and we all know what that is.
That agenda isn't allowed on our site, so I think the administration should ban all shirtless pics, both on their profile and as avatars.

I mean come on, people don't post those casually.

[MoveAlong]

I mean come on, people don't post those casually.

You haven't seen the avatars or photo albums of some people?

[theOperaGhost]

I don't think they should be allowed, however I strongly disagree with people posting pictures of drug usage or drinking. People come up with the "it's not illegal for everyone" line...while that may be true, it's bullshit. The rules state that promoting drug use is strictly prohibited...pictures promote it!

Anyway...I don't think either of those things should really be allowed, but my opinion isn't worth too much shit so it doesn't matter.

[Antares]

I don't think they should be allowed, however I strongly disagree with people posting pictures of drug usage or drinking. People come up with the "it's not illegal for everyone" line...while that may be true, it's bullshit. The rules state that promoting drug use is strictly prohibited...pictures promote it!

Anyway...I don't think either of those things should really be allowed, but my opinion isn't worth too much shit so it doesn't matter.

I agree with the drug/drinking thing too. We are teens. Its illegal for...90 percent of the people here, so why as a site, should we condone those activities.

I think the shirtless pics promote sex and cybering and bad convos just like drinking pics promote underage drinking.

Both should be banned! :banned:

[Cromm]

There is a report button on almost every function of the site. If something is inappropriate...

Unfortunatly, the people running/moding the forums don't agree with what is inappropriate. Threads on penis size and masterbation are stickied. I supposed this was in an attempt to cut down on the number of new penis size and masturbation threads, but still...


Also, is it really a question of horny teens? Let's be honest here, someone who signs up, posts nothing - not a pic of themselves, not and avatar, not one thread, nothing - and starts PMing 13 and 14 y/o guys asking about penis size... I'd say there's really good chance they're not who they say they are. .... and the net usage stats I'm pulling from Alexa and Comcast seem to support my supposition.

Here's what I mean:

According to Alexa, an internet statistic company, these are the top ten serches that lead people to virtualteen.org

virtual teen
puffy nipples
puberty
teen forums
best way to masterbate
smoking tea
masterbation tips
puberty forums
puberty forum
where to get weed
mutual masterbation

As you can see, not all these things are nessisarily what you want to associate a teen help site with.

From Comcast, the other websites visitors to this site also visit:

[name of gay porn site removed] 134.2x
puberty101.com 118.0x
[name of gay porn site removed] 61.7x
[name of porn site removed] 46.9x
lpsg.org 26.9x <--- the "large penis support group", not porn, but I wonder if this is where the size threads come from...
[name of porn site removed] 23.4x
[name of porn site removed] 22.8x
steadyhealth.com 20.7x
answerbag.com 15.1x
funadvice.com 14.7x
aap.org 14.0x
bodybuilding.com 11.3x
[name of porn site removed] 11.0x
kidshealth.org 9.5x


According to Keywordspy.co.uk, here are some more top searches that lead to this site:

teen penis 9
orgasim 13
boys puberty 10
boys erection 7
boys with erections 2
masterbation tips 3
red pubic hair 9
teen boys masturbating 17
ways to masterbate 20
puberty 101 5



I could go on, but I think you get my drift.

[Antares]

Unfortunatly, the people running/moding the forums don't agree with what is inappropriate. Threads on penis size and masterbation are stickied. I supposed this was in an attempt to cut down on the number of new penis size and masturbation threads, but still...


Also, is it really a question of horny teens? Let's be honest here, someone who signs up, posts nothing - not a pic of themselves, not and avatar, not one thread, nothing - and starts PMing 13 and 14 y/o guys asking about penis size... I'd say there's really good chance they're not who they say they are. .... and the net usage stats I'm pulling from Alexa and Comcast seem to support my supposition.

Those teens are not always here just for sex. Usually they just want to read more threads, create a help thread and then get their answers and leave. If they do PM asking for penis size this is generally curiousity because lets face it, being a male going through puberty is kinda...scary because its not something you particularly talk about. I am not saying however that there aren't bad people here for bad reasons. The staff really does try to ban them as they see it.

Here's what I mean:

According to Alexa, an internet statistic company, these are the top ten serches that lead people to virtualteen.org

virtual teen
puffy nipples
puberty
teen forums
best way to masterbate
smoking tea
masterbation tips
puberty forums
puberty forum
where to get weed
mutual masterbation

As you can see, not all these things are nessisarily what you want to associate a teen help site with.

Well I would only say one or two of those shouldn't be here. That's the smoking tea thing and the weed bit. Otherwise, all of them I expect to be here and most of them we answer in some form or another.

From Comcast, the other websites visitors to this site also visit:

[name of gay porn site removed] 134.2x
puberty101.com 118.0x
[name of gay porn site removed] 61.7x
[name of porn site removed] 46.9x
lpsg.org 26.9x <--- the "large penis support group", not porn, but I wonder if this is where the size threads come from...
[name of porn site removed] 23.4x
[name of porn site removed] 22.8x
steadyhealth.com 20.7x
answerbag.com 15.1x
funadvice.com 14.7x
aap.org 14.0x
bodybuilding.com 11.3x
[name of porn site removed] 11.0x
kidshealth.org 9.5x

This is a problem but its not something we can change. The porn sites are probably from the actual VT users. Not some scary pedo freak.

According to Keywordspy.co.uk, here are some more top searches that lead to this site:

teen penis 9
orgasim 13
boys puberty 10
boys erection 7
boys with erections 2
masterbation tips 3
red pubic hair 9
teen boys masturbating 17
ways to masterbate 20
puberty 101 5


The ones that are disturbing are the "red pubic hair" and the "boys with erection" deal but liek I said. It is not somehting we can change. All we can do is encourage people not to be pedos when they grow up.

[Donkey]

Seen them before and have showed Ant. We just laughed it off, there's really no way of changing how people get to the site or what they visit afterwards. That, and it's none of our business anyway.

[Cromm]

The ones that are disturbing are the "red pubic hair" and the "boys with erection" deal but liek I said. It is not somehting we can change. All we can do is encourage people not to be pedos when they grow up.

Seen them before and have showed Ant. We just laughed it off, there's really no way of changing how people get to the site or what they visit afterwards. That, and it's none of our business anyway.

While I totally agree that what other site people go to is completely out of your control, and no one elses business, I don't think that there's nothing you can do to change how people get here.

People who arive at this site because they searched for "teen penises" and "boys with erections" are here because phrases like that exist on the site. They're here because they can get teen boys to talk about things they shouldn't be with someone they don't know.

As I understand it, this site was founded to help teens with the kind of problems they don't feel comfortable talking to adults about, and that's admirable - even when those problems are just about the normal crap kids go through during the hell known as puberty - but threads about penis size, how often and where you masterbate, how much pubic hair you have, who has fetishes and of what kind, ejaculate distances, and enumerable "how to" treads... all these things attract the wrong kind of attention to your site.

You can argue that many of the threads are legitimate, in as much as they really are just teens and not people posing as teens (which is debatable itself), but really... well, so what?

Just be honest with yourselfs. Does the value of these kinds of threads outway the negative attention you most certainly -do- get from people who ought not to be here. If the founders of this site think it does, I'll shut up about it. If not, let's start reporting all of it to get it off the site.


~ Patrick. <--- my real name

[MoveAlong]

If the founders of this site think it does, I'll shut up about it. If not, let's start reporting all of it to get it off the site.

Unfortunately there are no "founders" left, only good administrators.

Does the value of these kinds of threads outway the negative attention you most certainly -do- get from people who ought not to be here.

From my understanding, the site is going to die without such a heavy load of people coming for the puberty section of our site. We get some of our best members from the puberty section of our site.
I came here for puberty. now I despise it. Many other people, including moderators, come here for puberty, and now take little or no part in it.
I think this outweighs itself.

Threads on penis size and masterbation are stickied. I supposed this was in an attempt to cut down on the number of new penis size and masturbation threads, but still...
'But still' what? It was a good idea then and it's a good idea now. Now we have a place so that the new thread's/posts don't spill onto other pages so that people with better questions can get answers without having their thread be pushed away by too much traffic. Now if anybody else has questions about penis size/masturbation, they can just go to those threads.

If pedophiles get off asking for boy's 'sizes' in those threads, I guess we can't really help that...as long as they don't do anything else.

I feel the only thing the staff can do is emphasize the members to report anything that seems weird - i.e. people asking for your messenger and then they do something innappropriate, weird threads, people asking for personal information, etc.
That way we can cut down on this stuff. I don't think reporting stuff in PMs or in threads is emphasized enough, even though we talk about it all the time up here.
Maybe one more thing we can do is have moderators lock topics that have asked the same question as a thread that has been done before - I know that they do for some things, but we have like 5 topics that are full of surveys that basically ask the same thing...

[Aηdy]

A perfect example: http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=614.

This is not what VT is for.

[MoveAlong]

Very true. I think it could be fixed, or cut down on, by discouraging and reporting.

[nick]

Andy,

why would you have found that album if you weren't looking around. You cant stumble across someones album by mistake, they're hidden away by their very nature.

Its dangerous to think you can second guess someone's motives in posting an album. I dont think it would be fair to comment on individuals, but in the example you quoted I suspect things are more complex than you imagine.

Some people really need the reassurance of someone telling them they look good. That doesnt necessarily mean that either the person that posts the photo or the person that leaves a comment are "on the pull".

[Aηdy]

Andy,

why would you have found that album if you weren't looking around. You cant stumble across someones album by mistake, they're hidden away by their very nature..

you're wrong. i found it while looking at some-one elses profile who at that time was looking at the album. so please dont say stuff like that when you dont know.

[nick]

you're wrong. i found it while looking at some-one elses profile who at that time was looking at the album. so please dont say stuff like that when you dont know.
OK, lets not start an argument, I wasnt trying to accuse you of anything terrible, or saying you go looking for that sort of thing specifically. Sorry if it came over that way.

[theOperaGhost]

Andy,

why would you have found that album if you weren't looking around. You cant stumble across someones album by mistake, they're hidden away by their very nature.

Its dangerous to think you can second guess someone's motives in posting an album. I dont think it would be fair to comment on individuals, but in the example you quoted I suspect things are more complex than you imagine.

Some people really need the reassurance of someone telling them they look good. That doesnt necessarily mean that either the person that posts the photo or the person that leaves a comment are "on the pull".

It is very easy to look at picture albums without going through everyone's profile. You click "Community" at the top of your screen and go down to "Pictures & Albums." I've never done any digging for the pictures I've found that should be removed (which has been plenty).

[Sugaree]

After seeing that album, I really think that we need to monitor what gets posted in the photo albums. I mean, if we can get a new special mod team in to watch over the albums and the photos that are posted, then I think we could drastically reduce the number of them.

[Ripplemagne]

It's not really all that bad, to be honest. A few shirtless pictures; something you could find on MySpace and Facebook very easily anyway. Honestly, why are you even concerned about it? It's in his album. If you don't want to see his bare upper body, don't go into the album.

[Sapphire]

Some people really need the reassurance of someone telling them they look good. That doesnt necessarily mean that either the person that posts the photo or the person that leaves a comment are "on the pull".
People don't need to post semi-naked photos to get reassurance of their attractiveness. You can easily see how attractive someone is before they start removing layers of clothing.

[Neverender]

I mean come on, people don't post those casually.

This has reminded me.

Look at Lance's profile and go to albums, i honestly think that those are not posted for any risque-ness :P

[MoveAlong]

It's not really all that bad, to be honest. A few shirtless pictures; something you could find on MySpace and Facebook very easily anyway. Honestly, why are you even concerned about it? It's in his album. If you don't want to see his bare upper body, don't go into the album.

It still sends a suggestive message that doesn't belong here.

[Ripplemagne]

Shirtless pictures? I don't know about you guys, but I was going to the beach when I was a toddler and there was much worse there than in those pictures.

[Aneklusmos]

I agree with Chris here. It's like the beach. If you can't deal with the beach, don't go to the beach. But obviously provocative ones are a bad idea and should be removed

[theOperaGhost]

I don't mind casual shirtlessness like at a beach or party or something, but when they are just getting done with a shower or getting ready for one, they only have boxers on and they are down showing half their pubic region (not pubic hair, but the region). There is a difference between a picture that is deliberately taken shirtless to show off and just a casual picture.

[Ripplemagne]

Not really. It still shows the same thing.

[MoveAlong]

it might show the same thing but that has nothing to do with what message it sends out.

On the beach you're supposed to get shirtless. I mean duh. Everybody is supposed to get shirtless so nobody cares. But on a website, especially with teenagers, there should be a level of vanity and especially with a puberty forum, it seems like displaying your body - especially before a shower in your boxers - is sending a message of sex appeal and seduction.

[Ripplemagne]

Why is it any different? You can wear a shirt to the beach. People choose to go in skimpy bathing suits to display their visage. It's just more socially acceptable because it's a societal thing, but in all actuality, the beach is probably worse.

[MoveAlong]

DUDE. This is not an argument about THE BEACH. It is still sexual to do that HERE.

[Ripplemagne]

And the beach was an comparative demonstration on why it's not a big deal. Quit stone walling and actually address the point if you still have one.

[MoveAlong]

And the beach was an comparative demonstration on why it's not a big deal. Quit stone walling and actually address the point if you still have one.

Ok seriously, look back on my last posts to see my point. I believe that I said my point is these photos are not really "casual" and "harmless". Here is that explained further: they can make the site look bad, promote people 'hooking up' for webcamming, make others think it's ok to do that kind of stuff here, etc.

I think it's bad and I'm showing my opinion in this thread so the admins can see it.

[Ripplemagne]

Who cares? As long as they're not doing the web camming on the forum, then what's the problem? This is like a Communist government right now and you sound like an extremist liberal calling for more government by regulating what sex positions its citizens can engage in. What happens when you squeeze a bar of soap too tightly? It slips through your fingers. Let people have a bit of freedom.

[theOperaGhost]

Like I said, it's pretty obvious when someone posts a picture of themselves shirtless and expects to get a response for webcamming or something and when someone posts a casual picture...maybe they should all be disallowed, but I think the ones in question are just distasteful.

[Ripplemagne]

I just don't see why we should care if they're looking to hook up via webcam or cybering.

Side note: If you're going to derep me for having an opinion, at least have the balls to sign it, coward.

[theOperaGhost]

Who cares? As long as they're not doing the web camming on the forum, then what's the problem? This is like a Communist government right now and you sound like an extremist liberal calling for more government by regulating what sex positions its citizens can engage in. What happens when you squeeze a bar of soap too tightly? It slips through your fingers. Let people have a bit of freedom.

Point taken and agreed with to an extent. I just don't feel a teen forum needs to turn into a softcore porn site.

[Ripplemagne]

Hahaha. Well, yes, I concur with that. There should be some restrictions like you can't post a picture of your genitalia, but some things, I see as relatively harmless. I, personally, wouldn't post them, but some people need to be assured that more than just the head on their body looks decent.

[Neverender]

it seems like displaying your body - especially before a shower in your boxers - is sending a message of sex appeal and seduction.

Especially for those pedophiles hanging around the site. Everyone should be careful when posting pictures anyways.

[djunlogical]

I thin peope should have to have a certain number of posts before they are alloed to have a picture, his would ensure that ths stopped happening, and peole used it for what it was intentially designed for...As yuo can see I am a new user with under 50 posts and am aware that I am put into the same catagory, Iam still upping my posts but I try to answer all questions and even posted a DJ help forum to get more people into it... Not to brag, this s realy bad sounding now... But that is what VT is designed for, and you dont need pics to do that. {well, actualy there's a small chance of needing to post images on help forum, but you know what I mean....)

[Ripplemagne]

All that's going to do is encourage spamming.

[Sugaree]

The only reason that these pictures need to be disallowed, is because it end a wrong message about the site. We don't want the look of being a softcore porno site like Jared said. Plus, if pedophiles joined (which has happened in the past), it would be like a personal HEAVEN. We want the members of this site to be safe and feel safe on the forum. We can't have members just posing in their underwear taking pictures before and after they take a shower.

If the users on here that are posting these kind of pictures are truly concerned about their looks that they go down to the INTERNET to get comments on their attractiveness, then they really need to stop. It sends a wrong message about the site, because this is a helpping site and not a social network. Granted, most of us have stayed on here for years and months and have made good friends, those new social features help us bond more. But if newer users are going to be posing for photos like this and post them in an album, then why have them? We can't set a limit to posting pictures. If we say "You must have x ammount of posts to make a photo album" then that will just encourage spamming, which will just cause more trouble for the mods.

[Ripplemagne]

Honestly, P101 gives VT a worse impression than any picture could ever hope to.

[Sapphire]

Honestly, P101 gives VT a worse impression than any picture could ever hope to.
I actually agree with this.

Pedophiles will have a better time loitering around P101 as well.

[Donkey]

P101 was extremely helpful to me and many others here, so we can't get rid of it...

But some of the shit there is just weird, I agree.

[MoveAlong]

Side note: If you're going to derep me for having an opinion, at least have the balls to sign it, coward.
ok you know what it's not really that big of a deal that I dereped you and you don't need to bring it up in this thread, and it's very rude to call someone a coward so stop being so immature. For God sake, you're 18. Act like an adult.

[Sugaree]

No, DO NOT close P101. If we were to close down P101, our user activity will drop to a hault. The site wasn't originally made for P101, it was made for mental illness, but we added it to expand the range of topics covered on the forum. Yes, there is some really wierd stuff in P101, but what can we do about it? Users are going to make these threads and pedophiles (most of them guests hopefully) will always loiter there and nothing will stop them.

I'm going to have to go with Zach about you acting like a child. Bringing up a derepping, no matter what it was about, in a thread, is just asking for trouble. If the person who derepped you didn't want to sign the note, then he/she can do that, because, believe it or not, it's a choice. You're 18 and there are people more mature than you, and they're younger by at least 6 years than you. If you have a problem with someone who derepped you, then that's something that can be taken to the PM system and dealt with there.

[Sapphire]

No, DO NOT close P101. If we were to close down P101, our user activity will drop to a hault. The site wasn't originally made for P101, it was made for mental illness, but we added it to expand the range of topics covered on the forum. Yes, there is some really wierd stuff in P101, but what can we do about it? Users are going to make these threads and pedophiles (most of them guests hopefully) will always loiter there and nothing will stop them.Then stop bitching about the topless photos. The photos are kept out of the lime light whereas P101 is very much in the lime light. If you were serious about the pedophile risk then you would be against both.

[Ripplemagne]

No, DO NOT close P101.

No one is saying to close it. But my point is that your argument against pictures can't be about the image of the forum when that's the major beef of activity here. It's just completely illogical. It seems you have a double standard on the two issues.

ok you know what it's not really that big of a deal that I dereped you and you don't need to bring it up in this thread, and it's very rude to call someone a coward so stop being so immature. For God sake, you're 18. Act like an adult.

I'm going to have to go with Zach about you acting like a child. Bringing up a derepping, no matter what it was about, in a thread, is just asking for trouble. If the person who derepped you didn't want to sign the note, then he/she can do that, because, believe it or not, it's a choice. You're 18 and there are people more mature than you, and they're younger by at least 6 years than you. If you have a problem with someone who derepped you, then that's something that can be taken to the PM system and dealt with there.

Notice how it said "side note" and was a very brief blurb. If you wanted to address it further, you should have taken it to PM, but alright.

First of all, immaturity consists of little maggots like yourself existing in a microcosm of fairy tale and cupcakes, thinking that egotism is the enemy of all and that any opinion that conflicts with yours is a byproduct of the person being "snobby". And it's amusing that you want to talk about rudeness, when this was what you left behind:

"He already demonstrated his point. Get over yourself and stop acting so snobby."

When your balls drop and your idea of maturity evolves from "LOL NOT FINDN SECKS JOKEZ FUNNI", then you can tell me to behave like an adult. Until then, stop pissing on your balls and learn that other people are going to have opinions that conflict with yours and them defending their views isn't a result of them being arrogant.

Yes, he has the right not to sign it. And I have the right to think he's a coward for it.

[bowlheadhere]

I agree with you guys 100% saying that a lot of horny teens are on here, but then again, there are some people who really do need help and have legit questions. I think that help we give those who truely seek help and advice GREATLY outweights that of the annoying teens.

[MysticalBurrito]

You guys.
This started out as a opinion not a debate

I agree with MoveAlong Ripple/Chris you act like a 12 year old so please stop it

I also agree with the not removing the P101 if you don't like it don't go in there
and if you do don't complain about what you saw you go in there at your own risk
The shirtless pictures are also the same deal don't go on their profile or albums if you don't want to see their pictures

[Ripplemagne]

I agree with you guys 100% saying that a lot of horny teens are on here, but then again, there are some people who really do need help and have legit questions. I think that help we give those who truely seek help and advice GREATLY outweights that of the annoying teens.

Naturally, whenever you have a teen forum, you have to deal with annoyances from the more naive members. It's the nature of the game. I think this is a factor a lot of people aren't understanding and I'm glad you brought it up, albeit indirectly.


I agree with MoveAlong Ripple/Chris you act like a 12 year old so please stop it

Excuse me if I don't take an opinion about maturity from a sanctimonious 14 year old girl with a vendetta to heart. <3

[MysticalBurrito]

Excuse me if I don't take the opinion of a sanctimonious 14 year old girl with a vendetta to heart. <3

Excuse me this 14 year old girl is probably more mature than you will ever be
And I'm not bitter its just that all this complaining about P101 is starting to get on my nerves
Its a forum you don't like it don't go on it the end
The same with the pictures

[Ripplemagne]

Excuse me this 14 year old girl is probably more mature than you will ever be

Perhaps when your idea of maturity has not yet evolved beyond a basic level. But since you seem so keen on believing this, how about you demonstrate how this is the case? I'm all ears, baby.

And I'm not bitter its just that all this complaining about P101 is starting to get on my nerves
Its a forum you don't like it don't go on it the end
The same with the pictures

That's rather hypocritical of you. You're belly aching because of a debate going on, yet your point is "if you don't like it, don't look at it." If you don't like the debate, don't open the thread.

[Sapphire]

Its a forum you don't like it don't go on it the end
The same with the pictures
It appears in the New Posts and Today's Posts searches so it isn't as simple as that.
One can only read titles like "Masturbating with friends" and "Had sex with my brother" so many times without getting annoyed.
If there were an option to exclude it from ALL searches then that would be ideal as it would make the situation better for everyone.

[nick]

To be fair. most of the "Masturbating with friends" questions are probably genuine concerns from young guys confused about their sexuality. Yes it crops up so often that it is boring because its repetitive but its not repetitive for the person that is confused and worried by what they're feeling.

My own suspicion is that many of the "I had sex with my brother" type of threads are just complete fiction, and those are very annoying. But how on earth do you prevent that?

[Sugaree]

Ripplemagne, Chris......whoever you are, you need to stop. You're starting to make this thread go from a debate to an argument. If you have nothing better to do than insult people, then you need to ask yourself why you are on these forums in the first place. Calling people hypocrites for their own opinions is not the reason to debate. Sure, I may be double-sided, but that is my opinions on this entire subject. IF you don't like it, then tough shit. I'm leaving this thread only because you have pushed me out of it. I'm tired of dealing with you. I have yet to see you give anything POSITIVE in this conversation, which is not making me thoroughly convinced to continue posting in this.

If my opinions truly make me a hypocrite, then I don't care. If I'm double-sided on a subject, then I don't care about that either. It's my opinion, and you need to learn how to respectt that. I'm out of this piece of shit thread.

[Ripplemagne]

Ripplemagne, Chris......whoever you are, you need to stop. You're starting to make this thread go from a debate to an argument. If you have nothing better to do than insult people, then you need to ask yourself why you are on these forums in the first place. Calling people hypocrites for their own opinions is not the reason to debate. Sure, I may be double-sided, but that is my opinions on this entire subject. IF you don't like it, then tough shit. I'm leaving this thread only because you have pushed me out of it. I'm tired of dealing with you. I have yet to see you give anything POSITIVE in this conversation, which is not making me thoroughly convinced to continue posting in this.

If my opinions truly make me a hypocrite, then I don't care. If I'm double-sided on a subject, then I don't care about that either. It's my opinion, and you need to learn how to respectt that. I'm out of this piece of shit thread.

The problem, here, isn't that I don't respect your opinion. The problem is quite the antithesis. I state my opinion and, somehow, I'm the home wrecker, the villain, the evil doer and the shadow caster.

This entire thread, I've given feedback and contribution to the topic at hand, but you only seem to notice my responses to people who can't handle my opinion. Some of you are so sensitive that if your opinion is challenged, you think it's an attack on your worth and paint me as your antagonist.

As for insults, why don't you look back and see who made the first insult?

[nick]

Ripplemagne, Chris......whoever you are, you need to stop. You're starting to make this thread go from a debate to an argument. If you have nothing better to do than insult people, then you need to ask yourself why you are on these forums in the first place. Calling people hypocrites for their own opinions is not the reason to debate. Sure, I may be double-sided, but that is my opinions on this entire subject. IF you don't like it, then tough shit. I'm leaving this thread only because you have pushed me out of it. I'm tired of dealing with you. I have yet to see you give anything POSITIVE in this conversation, which is not making me thoroughly convinced to continue posting in this.

If my opinions truly make me a hypocrite, then I don't care. If I'm double-sided on a subject, then I don't care about that either. It's my opinion, and you need to learn how to respectt that. I'm out of this piece of shit thread.
I for one do not begin to understand why these vicious insults are allowed to continue. It seems completely against the vt spirit. Of course we dont all have to agree, discussion would be more boring if that was always the case, but its a shame if a contributer feels unable to continue in a debate as a result of this kind of abuse.

[theOperaGhost]

As a former mod, and someone who feels like he has pretty good judgment, I have to agree with Chris. He is on the minority side of the opinion which is a place I am very familiar with. When you are on the minority of the opinion, people often attack you (which is the case here) and you have to stand up for yourself, sometimes a bit more harshly than others. He is standing up for himself, which is what everyone should do. Everyone needs to quit being so damn sensitive about every little thing.

[The Joker]

To be fair. most of the "Masturbating with friends" questions are probably genuine concerns from young guys confused about their sexuality. Yes it crops up so often that it is boring because its repetitive but its not repetitive for the person that is confused and worried by what they're feeling.

My own suspicion is that many of the "I had sex with my brother" type of threads are just complete fiction, and those are very annoying. But how on earth do you prevent that?

I agree with this. When I joined, I posted one of those, and I fit the definition of a young guy not sure about my sexuality.

[pkid]

Well I don't find the pictures a set back or a problem.

[MoveAlong]

"He already demonstrated his point. Get over yourself and stop acting so snobby."
Again, you address Rep, which is private, in a public way, and bring it out into the open, in the middle of a different discussion in the admin's forum.

And I have the right to think he's a coward for it.
You can THINK whatever you want, but when you SAY something to somebody else, you might hurt their feelings or cause trouble.

As a former mod, and someone who feels like he has pretty good judgment, I have to agree with Chris. He is on the minority side of the opinion which is a place I am very familiar with. When you are on the minority of the opinion, people often attack you (which is the case here) and you have to stand up for yourself, sometimes a bit more harshly than others. He is standing up for himself, which is what everyone should do. Everyone needs to quit being so damn sensitive about every little thing.

I was just arguing my opinion and then he gets arrogant and snobby. And he keeps the insults coming and coming.
Maybe you guys should report a problem if it's actually bugging you. Now the entire thread is off course because of me and whoever that other guy is.

[Ripplemagne]

Again, you address Rep, which is private, in a public way, and bring it out into the open, in the middle of a different discussion in the admin's forum.

Ergo, the words:

SIDE NOTE.

You can THINK whatever you want, but when you SAY something to somebody else, you might hurt their feelings or cause trouble.

It's so wrong of me to call him a coward, but when you call me a snob, it's completely alright? What kind of double standard is that? If you don't want someone to hurt your feelings, don't cast the first stone. Your mentality is a mess.

I was just arguing my opinion and then he gets arrogant and snobby. And he keeps the insults coming and coming.
Maybe you guys should report a problem if it's actually bugging you. Now the entire thread is off course because of me and whoever that other guy is.

I stayed on topic, while you continued to respond to me, but now, it's completely derailed. But where did you find arrogance or snobbiness? In me presenting my opinion? I didn't know anything that conflicts with your view of the world was, suddenly, arrogant.

This is the post you derepped:

And the beach was an comparative demonstration on why it's not a big deal. Quit stone walling and actually address the point if you still have one.

Which was no more abrasive than this:

DUDE. This is not an argument about THE BEACH. It is still sexual to do that HERE.

You've been defeated. Just bow out gracefully and stop making this worse for yourself. I'm not mad at you, I don't hate you, I don't dislike you and I'm not going to berate you for bowing out with grace.

[MoveAlong]

I'm not going to continue to sit here and watch you bitch. I have better things to do out in the real world.

[Ripplemagne]

That wasn't with grace, sweet pea. <3

[Maverick]

Right ok I think this has gone on enough.

[BeautifulSilence]

***This is an unofficial warning to everyone who has made personal comments in thread***

All arguments and disagreements that are based on opinions of other members can and should be taken to PM. There, things can be solved between you privately, and if you find yourselves getting no where, just stop replying. This saves you all embarrassing yourselves and stops other members from choosing sides and/or finding themselves losing respect for y'all.