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MoveAlong
June 13th, 2009, 01:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2osa8o8L-E&feature=channel_page

Do you think this is this a disgrace to God or Mary or Jesus?
What religion are you?

What about this? (optional): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqp89bkFe8k&feature=related

Do you think that religious songs that involve clapping or high-energy are wrong or innappropriate to perform in church? What about at school?

Bougainvillea
June 13th, 2009, 01:52 AM
Christian rock bands dude :)

Jean Poutine
June 13th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Not at all.

If my church did that, I might just go. Worship is free to the individual. If they want to make it fun that's awesome.

I'm nominally Catholic, but for all intents and purposes, I'm an agnostic theist.

Aneklusmos
June 13th, 2009, 08:36 AM
I'm a Quaker, so we have songs like that all the time. So yes, I think it's fine

Cloud
June 13th, 2009, 08:38 AM
that would be the only thing keeping me sane if i went to church the usual hymms are so boring adn droning haha
im meant to be catholic

Requin
June 13th, 2009, 08:48 AM
Lol Sister Act.

God yes its better if your religious. Much better than the usual drony and plodding hyms you have to sing in church. Much better that way, more interesting.

I'm not religious anyway. :P

justanotherguy93
June 13th, 2009, 09:37 AM
that was freakin asome if mass was more like that i would definitely go

redcar
June 13th, 2009, 11:12 AM
I'm Catholic and I think anything that can get people interested in Church and their religion is nothing but good.

Whisper
June 13th, 2009, 11:15 AM
God forbid there be something energetic and posative comming from a church :roll:

I took religion for 3yrs
I think Jesus would take a happy church over a depressed reserved and controlled one
its supposed to be a celebration not something to be dreaded

but what do I know
I dam near burned to death in a church

Requin
June 13th, 2009, 11:21 AM
but what do I know
I dam near burned to death in a church

Really?? Now I'm intrigued. You must tell me about that now. :D

Whisper
June 13th, 2009, 11:27 AM
Really?? Now I'm intrigued. You must tell me about that now. :D

My grad was in a church
another dude refused to hold his candle away when i had to try and get past with that stupid gown thing
ya
lawl

Requin
June 13th, 2009, 11:29 AM
LOL! That must of been funny. Well not for you.. :P

scuba steve
June 13th, 2009, 01:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2osa8o8L-E&feature=channel_page

Do you think this is this a disgrace to God or Mary or Jesus?
What religion are you?

What about this? (optional): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqp89bkFe8k&feature=related

Do you think that religious songs that involve clapping or high-energy are wrong or innappropriate to perform in church? What about at school?

no not at all in fact do many coloured church choirs not use this method and is that not A COMEDY movie called sister act

MoveAlong
June 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM
no not at all in fact do many cloured church choirs not use this method and is that not A COMEDY movie called sister act

It is, but I was wondering if it was not offensive because it was a comedy, so I asked if it would be offensive if that was performed in church.

God forbid there be something energetic and posative comming from a church :roll:

I didn't know cuz I've never been to church but like twice and it was because our friend wanted us to go. I thought it would be offensive if it wasn't proper.

thanks for the replies!

INFERNO
June 13th, 2009, 05:43 PM
I don't see this being offensive in any way. I'd take this over the monotonous, dreary choir and readings. The beliefs aren't being changed in any way, the songs still convey similar or the same meanings, so if churches made it more exciting overall, then there may be more people attending church. Myself, I'm undecided if I still would. You can add a funky beat to it all you want but it's unlikely I'd changed my views on the religion. I may attend it a bit simply for the chance to hear the music but aside from that, my views would still be the same. If the priests/fathers used a different approach other than some dull reading, giving some lame example of how something happened and relate it to the belief in the most boring of ways and monotonous ways, then I may go. If they were able to debate with a non-believer with being able to see past their beliefs, then that may be more interesting also.

scuba steve
June 13th, 2009, 05:51 PM
I don't see this being offensive in any way. I'd take this over the monotonous, dreary choir and readings. The beliefs aren't being changed in any way, the songs still convey similar or the same meanings, so if churches made it more exciting overall, then there may be more people attending church. Myself, I'm undecided if I still would. You can add a funky beat to it all you want but it's unlikely I'd changed my views on the religion. I may attend it a bit simply for the chance to hear the music but aside from that, my views would still be the same. If the priests/fathers used a different approach other than some dull reading, giving some lame example of how something happened and relate it to the belief in the most boring of ways and monotonous ways, then I may go. If they were able to debate with a non-believer with being able to see past their beliefs, then that may be more interesting also.

the only reason i go to this church hall is because i like the band the lead singer reminds me of chad crogener

Sugaree
June 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM
I don't find someting like this offensive at all. People find different ways to worship and whatever suits them, suits them. My church does this sometimes, mainly around the Christmas and Easter season. I'm Catholic, and I'm very much into things like this. Christian rock bands, which I used to be against, seem like a good idea to me. I don't think it disgraces the church in anyway, it's just a way for the youth to get involved.

Sage
June 13th, 2009, 10:22 PM
Do you think that religious songs that involve clapping or high-energy are wrong or innappropriate to perform in church? What about at school?

Fine in church, and fine in school if it's a private school.

punkjake
June 14th, 2009, 01:50 AM
Hell no XD corny but no its awesome there just having fun with God :P

scuba steve
June 14th, 2009, 10:56 AM
i don't think schools should be allowed to make to make kids sing hymes in schools or include any type of religious criteria in the curiculum (religious history's fine) and keep a full integrated look at teaching

MoveAlong
June 14th, 2009, 02:55 PM
i don't think schools should be allowed to make to make kids sing hymes in schools or include any type of religious criteria in the curiculum (religious history's fine) and keep a full integrated look at teaching

well no I never said hymns, I mean one of these songs as a performance by the students.

scuba steve
June 14th, 2009, 05:31 PM
but is a song like that not classed as a hymn?

MoveAlong
June 14th, 2009, 06:20 PM
but is a song like that not classed as a hymn?

Ok well I guess it is a hymn. But I'm not saying that a teacher would be MAKING the students perform it. I'm saying if the students wanted to perform it.

Atonement
June 14th, 2009, 06:26 PM
I am all for the music. I think its beautiful. I don't know how people can get charged about Jesus from slow hymns that I can't stand. It's just straight up boring. I love high energy rock, gospel, all that. It's fantastic. As for school, if its religious, it prolly won't have that since most schools with religion are catholic which tend to have hymns over rocking out. Ha. In my school, we do gospel songs all the time. Public too.

Camazotz
June 14th, 2009, 07:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2osa8o8L-E&feature=channel_page

Do you think this is this a disgrace to God or Mary or Jesus?
What religion are you?

What about this? (optional): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqp89bkFe8k&feature=related

Do you think that religious songs that involve clapping or high-energy are wrong or innappropriate to perform in church? What about at school?

I love music and frankly, normal psalms get boring. If anyone were to add excitement, it would add the involvement of people. I don't think music can be offensive (aside from the lyrics). In church, I would encourage it because more people would be enthusiastic to actually be there. As an atheist, I strongly disagree religion should be preached in public school in any form, including by songs. However, I don't care if it is taught in private schools.

MoveAlong
June 14th, 2009, 07:41 PM
As an atheist, I strongly disagree religion should be preached in public school in any form, including by songs. However, I don't care if it is taught in private schools.

What if it's in a public school, but instead of "preaching", it's 1 song for entertainment/fun as part of a choir concert?

Camazotz
June 14th, 2009, 07:45 PM
What if it's in a public school, but instead of "preaching", it's 1 song for entertainment/fun as part of a choir concert?

It all depends on the context. There must be a separation of church and state. If a song contains, "I love God!" or something of that nature, it would be wrong. However, if the song is about the diversity of religions and what religions believe, I think it's acceptable.

MoveAlong
June 15th, 2009, 01:36 AM
It all depends on the context. There must be a separation of church and state. If a song contains, "I love God!" or something of that nature, it would be wrong. However, if the song is about the diversity of religions and what religions believe, I think it's acceptable.

What if the song is the one I posted in my link (first one)?

And it's at a public school, and it's for entertainment/pleasure, and we totally do NOT make fun of catholics by dressing as nuns. And it's the only one on the program like that.

scuba steve
June 15th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Ok well I guess it is a hymn. But I'm not saying that a teacher would be MAKING the students perform it. I'm saying if the students wanted to perform it.

when i was a kid we where made to sing hymns in assembly or we got shouted at and it was just an ordinary publlic primary school:(

Antares
June 15th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Two words. Hell no :P

I don't think that any form of music that has the same message in it are particularly...bad or offensive. Personally, I think that people that that those two songs are offensive to Jesus, God, Mary, whoever are shallow. I can understand in the Church. i know they have certain rules and such but generally like in a movie, its not offensive.

I am technically Baptist and the music sung in our church is often up-tempo.
Its boring otherwise.
Who wants to hear a bunch of Gregorian Chant in the 21st century.

Ugh. No basically, it is not offensive in the way the music is delivered.

Master_Miyagi
June 15th, 2009, 10:51 PM
i think the first song is perfectly fine, they are worshipping the lord, and that's all that matters. as long as what they're saying is true in their hearts :)

YourFriend
June 17th, 2009, 12:09 PM
I don't see why that would be offensive, God wants us to be happy(if he exists), and this made me happy, and rofling out of laughter, but i am an atheist anyway so....

Camazotz
June 17th, 2009, 07:49 PM
What if the song is the one I posted in my link (first one)?

And it's at a public school, and it's for entertainment/pleasure, and we totally do NOT make fun of catholics by dressing as nuns. And it's the only one on the program like that.

I'd have to say no. In a public place, religious songs should not be sung because it sort of confirms one religion that is preached. Most people would be uncomfortable if atheists sung about how God isn't real, or Satanists sung about how Satan is loving, etc. I understand the singing is only for recreation, but if one religious song is sung, other religions (including Pastafarism and others) must also be sung.

On a side note, I love these scenarios. They really make me think. Great job Zach.

Poetic Folly
June 17th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Doesn't seem offensive, just weird.
I'm Catholic.

MoveAlong
June 17th, 2009, 11:38 PM
Doesn't seem offensive, just weird.
I'm Catholic.

What do you mean by weird? Unusual, or unappealing/uncomfortable?

Neverender
June 18th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Do you think that religious songs that involve clapping or high-energy are wrong or innappropriate to perform in church? What about at school?

No, what would the Gospels do in such a situation?

And it may be appropriate. so long as it doesn't offend the religions of other students (I'm lookin at you, Jehovah)

pkid
June 18th, 2009, 12:45 AM
I can't really specify my religion, but I am a Christian. Anyways, God just wants you to be praising his name.. Others praise him by singing hymns softly and others clap their hands yell out his name and say things like alleluia!! Anyways my point is as long as your praising his name in a positive way, then praise in whatever way you want. Oh and in the bible times some people actually danced and played loud instruments while praising God for his goodness.

Poetic Folly
June 19th, 2009, 02:10 AM
What do you mean by weird? Unusual, or unappealing/uncomfortable?

Unusual. Not necessarily bad
I'm used to organ at church, no gospels :)

Mind forte
June 19th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Praising God is praising God. No matter how you do it.