WHAT do you think about the boy that became a girl?

[growingjudy]

Maybe you heard about Tim that became Kim. I think it is way out. I don't realy think it works so good anyway. In any case what do you think about it?
(I started a forum asking if boys want to be girls and if girls want to be boys. Almost no one wants to change.):yawn:
I just found an article that there are a bunch of them. They all say that that they didn't reget it.
Look here http://transwoman.tripod.com/young.htm

[notsure101]

Well, I would respect their decsion, but I do not think it is right, you are made a male or female for a reason.

[Alternative]

well to be honest , and no offence to nobody , i don't really like it , i don't feel like this is right , it's weird , and kinda disgusting

[Ripplemagne]

I refuse to acknowledge that he is a female. He is still a male regardless of how he's mutilated himself.

[ShatteredWings]

I think anyone who says this is 'wrong' is a cruel person.

Ya know what?
If you're one gender, but living in the wrong body, you SHOULD be allowed to change.

Of course an averag forum of people isn't going to have a very high 'id rather be the other gender' persentage. it's NOT common.

Treat humans like HUMANS...
even if you think it's 'against god' or what ever, why try to insult people by refusing to reconize them for twho they are

[adesiree]

I also don't think that it is right to change gender. You are what you are, I also don't understand how people feel like they're born in the wrong body. I'll accept them even if they made that decision it's not like it bothers me or anything. I guess I really don't understand the way some people think:confused:

[marktheman]

I don't really understand it. I would respect their decision as it IS their body, but I couldn't say if it's right or wrong.
I don't think I would ever consider it.

[maeniel]

I believe the gender confused should be able to do what makes them happy. who am I or anyone to deny someone pursuit of happiness? Its their body, and if thats what makes them happy, then its ok with me.

[BiBoy13]

Personally I don't think it's right but it's their descison and we have to respect that. And it makes them happy.

[gregk]

to each is own i know i will stay a guy

[doktored]

I feel sorry for him. He was born into the wrong gender (it's a genuine mental disorder). And i'm glad for him to go to his correct gender. What i'm most scared about now is that i find him attractive!

[woody92]

We are what we are! If you want to change your sex then you should be able to, I personly dont want to no, but I am sure that quite a few should but they dont say, because:
1) They are scared (which they souldnt be in my opinion)
2) They are afraid that they will get bullied for it
3) They are worried that their parents are going to eitther reject them, punish them, or both!
4) i could go on all day about why they dont say so...

Ok, on a forum it is probably easier to say yes they would like to change but still you would have a minority that would say no when realy they want to but are scared ot even say it on a forum.
Everyone has their own bodys and they should have the right to change it in anyway they want! We are what we are... but if you wnat to change it then you should be able to!

Sorry if i go on abit but i get annoyed when people dont let other people get on with their lifes! Sorry!

EDIT:
;534467']I think anyone who says this is 'wrong' is a cruel person.

Ya know what?
If you're one gender, but living in the wrong body, you SHOULD be allowed to change.

Of course an averag forum of people isn't going to have a very high 'id rather be the other gender' persentage. it's NOT common.

Treat humans like HUMANS...
even if you think it's 'against god' or what ever, why try to insult people by refusing to reconize them for twho they are

REP + I think your a nice person for accepting this!!

I believe the gender confused should be able to do what makes them happy. who am I or anyone to deny someone pursuit of happiness? Its their body, and if thats what makes them happy, then its ok with me.

REP + ALSO! I also think your a nice person for accepting this too!!

What i'm most scared about now is that i find him attractive!

It shouldnt matter! She's still a person (HUMAN)! Just like the rest of us!

[Giles]

Personally I don't accept this, for the simple reason that the he (she?) will always be a man in my eyes. If he was born with a penis (and other male related things) then no matter how the genitals are mutilated he will always be a man. That's what I think anyway, of course someone will disagree.

[woody92]

Personally I don't accept this, for the simple reason that the he (she?) will always be a man in my eyes. If he was born with a penis (and other male related things) then no matter how the genitals are mutilated he will always be a man. That's what I think anyway, of course someone will disagree.

Yes I do I am sorry but if he/she classes himself/herself as a guy/girl then they sould be accepted for who they are! Its horrible that if say if you were gay/bi/a lesbian... and no one accepted you for who you are, How would you feel? What would you do? I would hate it and personly I would kill myself if it got too much! I think people should just let others be who they want to be, Its their body, their choice what they do with it!

***No hard feelings to anybody on this thread form my side!***
***I apologise to anyone if I upset you but I have realy strong feeling on this subject!***

[Boredomino]

I fully support this.

It is wrong to leave them in a body of one gender when they are not that gender! If they wish to live the life they want - who are you to deny them that?

[StraightAcE]

yea u can change your physical looks but you cant change your soul

[Alexandre]

i would respect the decision, but i don't think it's right, and actually, it's very strange

[coodood]

If someone feels that they were born into the wrong gender than they should have the right to make a change.

[CuriousDestruction]

i know many transgendered people and have spoken to them on this. i've come to believe that people have the right to make their decision on what their gender is. just because you were born with brown hair doesn't mean you can't dye it blonde.

[woody92]

just because you were born with brown hair doesn't mean you can't dye it blonde.

Thats the best comment yet, even better than mine!!! REP +

[ShatteredWings]

just because you were born with brown hair doesn't mean you can't dye it blonde.
Sorry, I have to respond to this one. I'll leave the transphobe comments alone buuuuuuuuuut...

It's not a choice.
Hair color is a choice -- and it also can change over time (i was born blonde, naturally my hair is light brown, I dye it dark).

gender is an ingraned part of our brain -- we're physically different click, just one example (http://medicine.indiana.edu/news_releases/archive_00/images/brainscans.jpg)
The odd fluke where one has the brain structure of the opposite sex occurs, and yes, it causes problems.

Talk to most people, and they'd point out that they can't "change" their gender -- because yes, they're happy in their birth sex -- it works for trans people too

[cherry_boi]

anyone that does not feel liek their body matches their mind has a right to change their body and shud be supported and accepted like anyone else.

some people are born with medical conditions like this and others just feel like they their body doesn't reflect their soul/mind

there is nothing wrong with it, it is completely normal

and it's very unfortunate that people have a problem with this

[javs26]

i think its sick... like just the idea anyway, i dont care if anybody does it but still >.>

[CuriousDestruction]

;765964']Sorry, I have to respond to this one. I'll leave the transphobe comments alone buuuuuuuuuut...

It's not a choice.
Hair color is a choice -- and it also can change over time (i was born blonde, naturally my hair is light brown, I dye it dark).

gender is an ingraned part of our brain -- we're physically different click, just one example (http://medicine.indiana.edu/news_releases/archive_00/images/brainscans.jpg)
The odd fluke where one has the brain structure of the opposite sex occurs, and yes, it causes problems.

Talk to most people, and they'd point out that they can't "change" their gender -- because yes, they're happy in their birth sex -- it works for trans people too

if hair color is a choice, why can't gender? my hair is brown, people treat me the way i do. i dye it pink, people treat me differently. it doesn't mean i don't know that it was brown naturally. that my hair is brown is ingrained into our brain, so is our true gender. i know i am a guy. some guys know they should be girls. so i disagree with that. and i have spoken to trans people. many of which believe that they should not have been (insert gender here) and were always (insert gender here) on the inside.

[Ripplemagne]

I am sorry but this i find offencive!

Good for you.

respect a person's decision dude.

Respect my decision to believe what I believe, Earthworm Jim. Go back to playing Wizards of Waverly Place in your backyard and leave logic to the adults.

[CuriousDestruction]

Good for you.



Respect my decision to believe what I believe, Earthworm Jim. Go back to playing Wizards of Waverly Place in your backyard and leave logic to the adults.

okay, i respect your decision to believe the person shouldn't change gender. when they do, you don't accept it, that's just disrespectful, ignorant, and stupid. you are the one doing the name-calling. you want to talk about leaving the logic to the adults, why don't you get out of this thread then?

[The Batman]

;765964']Sorry, I have to respond to this one. I'll leave the transphobe comments alone buuuuuuuuuut...

It's not a choice.
Hair color is a choice -- and it also can change over time (i was born blonde, naturally my hair is light brown, I dye it dark).

gender is an ingraned part of our brain -- we're physically different click, just one example (http://medicine.indiana.edu/news_releases/archive_00/images/brainscans.jpg)
The odd fluke where one has the brain structure of the opposite sex occurs, and yes, it causes problems.

Talk to most people, and they'd point out that they can't "change" their gender -- because yes, they're happy in their birth sex -- it works for trans people too

I'm going to be honest here and say that I think people that don't think that they are the gender they were born as have some type of psychological disorder, which is the same with homosexuality. It's not really normal and how we were designed but still it's not doing any harm and there are other people like that. I agree it's not a choice but there is something going wrong in that person's head just not something that is destructive or bad for their health.

[Ripplemagne]

okay, i respect your decision to believe the person shouldn't change gender. when they do, you don't accept it, that's just disrespectful, ignorant, and stupid. you are the one doing the name-calling. you want to talk about leaving the logic to the adults, why don't you get out of this thread then?

It's not ignorant, disrespectful or stupid. It's very logical, it's calling a spade a spade and it's not being pinned down by societal demands. Just because I'm not afraid to tell the fact kid that he'll break the fragile wooden chair by sitting on it doesn't mean that I'm bad for doing it.

Lets look at this through another lens. When Michael Jackson bleached his skin, did he suddenly become a white person? No, he's still black. He just mutilated his flesh to appear otherwise.

It's called wearing a guise. It's a facade. It's fake. I have no buts about telling a man they're a man in spite of them paying someone to hack their nuts off. Because they are.

That's like saying that John Bobbitt was no longer a man after his wife assault him in his sleep and hacked off his genitals. It's simply a farce.

Decision means absolutely nothing on this matter. You don't decide what your gender is anymore than you decide what your eye color is. You telling me to "respect someone's decision, dude" is a hollow statement because it has no bearing on the issue whatsoever.

[CuriousDestruction]

a person CHOOSES to be something they have a right to be it. John Bobbitt and michael jackson have nothing to do with it. John didn't choose to have his balls chopped off to become a woman and Michael had a skin disease. you can decide to have surgery to change your eye color. you can choose to change your body and have it become a permanent part of you. and i will tell you to respect a person's decision to believe what they believe. to be who they are. but after reading your disrespectful and ignorant posts i have concluded that you have no ability to be open-minded and possibly no brain whatsoever. so, how about we agree to disagree. i think people have a right to change who they are, you don't. wonderful.

[Ripplemagne]

a person CHOOSES to be something they have a right to be it. John Bobbitt and michael jackson have nothing to do with it. John didn't choose to have his balls chopped off to become a woman and Michael had a skin disease. you can decide to have surgery to change your eye color. you can choose to change your body and have it become a permanent part of you. and i will tell you to respect a person's decision to believe what they believe. to be who they are. but after reading your disrespectful and ignorant posts i have concluded that you have no ability to be open-minded and possibly no brain whatsoever. so, how about we agree to disagree. i think people have a right to change who they are, you don't. wonderful.

Except that still doesn't address anything. You aren't defined by surgery. You are defined by nature and nurture. By your logic, I can choose to be a Martian and everyone should respect that and not think otherwise.

But it's amusing how in one breath you're calling me close minded and ignorant and in the other you're saying how my opinion is so evil and stupid and corrupt and mean and shit. Do you realize how asinine that sounds?

Get over your sanctimonious regressions and be candid with the world because living in a fairy tale is going to take you down a place you don't want to be in. Your opinion on this subject is merely stemming from the Generation Me mentality pervading the youth of our culture and it's evident in every disjointed sputtering you're mashing into your keyboard right now.

[galen]

My vote goes to doing what they think they are happy with. As long as they don't steal, rob or kill to achieve it and their parents are ok with it. I believe everyone has the right to decide what they want to do with their life or bodies for this matter. We only live once, why place any restrictions on yourself because of what others think?

[MacMilker]

kims actually hot now hahah, but the depressing thing is, is some of the kids are actually hot when their guys and they turn into girls and its like eehhh u were hotter as a guy (in my opinion)

anyways to answer the thread im not so sure, like part of me wants it to be not legal and the other part says these people arent happy in their body so they deserve a change or they will kill themselfs. so irdk but bottom line id say im kinda okay with it.

[CuriousDestruction]

Except that still doesn't address anything. You aren't defined by surgery. You are defined by nature and nurture. By your logic, I can choose to be a Martian and everyone should respect that and not think otherwise.

But it's amusing how in one breath you're calling me close minded and ignorant and in the other you're saying how my opinion is so evil and stupid and corrupt and mean and shit. Do you realize how asinine that sounds?

Get over your sanctimonious regressions and be candid with the world because living in a fairy tale is going to take you down a place you don't want to be in. Your opinion on this subject is merely stemming from the Generation Me mentality pervading the youth of our culture and it's evident in every disjointed sputtering you're mashing into your keyboard right now.

you're right. you aren't defined by surgery. you are defined by what you believe in your heart. you can choose to be a martian and if someone wants to believe they are really a martian they have a right to do so. also, please point out where i called your views evil, and corrupt? right now you are the one sounding quite asinine. now your last paragraph is eloquently written i will give you that. it doesn't stop it from being a load of bull. i'm really getting tired of your petty name calling and accusations of me having "Sanctimonious regressions."

now, i think everyone on this thread has had enough of you and me having at it so i'm not going to respond here anymore. either open a new thread for us to talk, PM me or stop talking.

[Ripplemagne]

you're right. you aren't defined by surgery. you are defined by what you believe in your heart. you can choose to be a martian and if someone wants to believe they are really a martian they have a right to do so.

Okay. I'm just going to file you under "stupid" and stop talking to you after this. You live in a fairy tale and I don't, so I'm not going to debate the laws and physics of Narnia.

[Inconvenience]

THAT'S DISGUSTING!!

imagine, marrying a woman and after several years finding that someday she's been a male. i'd kill "her" probably ;)

[mango2020]

that' s some scary shit right there if you ask a girl and find out shes a dude! YIKES.:eek::eek:

[Boredomino]

You wouldn't really be a good couple anyway if she'd kept that secret from you for years... :D

As before, I support this all the way. Someone earlier said it was wrong, like homosexuality, because they're not natural.

Not natural? Nothing's natural nowadays!

Humans flying in planes/helicopters? Natural?
Nuclear power? Natural?
Cars? Natural?
Condoms or birth control? Natural? Really?


Yes, I've been watching Russel Howard's comedy material. From mock the week, he told a joke about two gay men he saw on a plane:

*Two Gay Men are kissing*
PASSENGER: Stop doing that! It's not natural!
GAY MAN: You're flying.
PASSENGER: I'll send you to prison!
GAY MAN: What, with men? Think it through.

[CuriousDestruction]

Okay. I'm just going to file you under "stupid" and stop talking to you after this. You live in a fairy tale and I don't, so I'm not going to debate the laws and physics of Narnia.

i don't live in a fairy tale! so says my unicorn! oh, and my leprechaun also tells you that you will never find his pot of gold because you are a meany-head. and Narnia is a beautiful place. you should visit sometime. just don't visit me. i don't like meany-heads. i'm going to go visit the space alien flea market! *frolics into the sunset*

[Ripplemagne]

Yes. It's fun to play along, isn't it?