i fucking hate rap

[rangerfan523]

i hate it loud heavy ear shatering is way beter than talkng fats

[JustConfused]

Rock is the best...;)

[Bougainvillea]

I love Coldplay!
And true. Rap is SOOO fucking obnoxious

[rangerfan523]

dude fuck cold play

[Never_Forget]

UGH I hate rap too... It's just so freaking crap.
My definition of rap: Someone who thinks they're cool for being able to talk to a beat about how they have to hire whores because they can't get a girlfriend.

hmm.

[Underground_Network]

I hated rap until I discovered Chronic Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cc8t-NfNuk (You have to listen to the whole song ;))

And if you don't like that song, I guarantee you you'll PROBABLY like one of their songs... Almost all of their songs are different genres. If you like hard rock, you'll find a song you like, soft rock, just plain "rock", pop, electronica, rap, etc... There's even a little bit of screamo in their song Thank You if that's what you like.

[Toasty]

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[Koman]

Its actually fucking awesome. Maybe of all you guys put down the meth needle you most likely aquired at some swesty man filled mosh pits, and quit being so fucking ignorant.

[Underground_Network]

I like all music actually. Some rap is really good... Its not all about sex and women and money... Just a lot of the mainstream crap is. Some rap is a lot better than you think, and I'm not just talking about bands like Chronic Future and Flobots.

[Commander Thor]

Its actually fucking awesome. Maybe of all you guys put down the meth needle you most likely aquired at some swesty man filled mosh pits, and quit being so fucking ignorant.

Yes, I can definatly see how the same beat repeated over and over, and a guy talking (Not singing, talking, rappers can't sing) really fast about how he fucked 30 women with his 12 foot penis is awesome. </sarcasm>
Also, meth? You're saying rock listeners are meth users? WHAT THE FUCK?
Old-school rap (Pre-2000) is better than most rap created today.

Rock by-far is the best. In no other genre do you have drummers with as high of talent as they do, guitarists with as much talent, basists with as much talent, and singers that ACTUALLY can SING!

[Underground_Network]

Both of you are ignorant. Not all rock is amazing, but not all rap is terrible either. I find that both can be pretty good... But then again I'm a huge music buff and I like pretty much anything with a beat... Though I also prefer songs with lyrics... Things like Miserlou (alternative spelling Misirlou) never get old though...

[Koman]

Yes, I can definatly see how the same beat repeated over and over, and a guy talking (Not singing, talking, rappers can't sing) really fast about how he fucked 30 women with his 12 foot penis is awesome. </sarcasm>
Also, meth? You're saying rock listeners are meth users? WHAT THE FUCK?
Old-school rap (Pre-2000) is better than most rap created today.

Rock by-far is the best. In no other genre do you have drummers with as high of talent as they do, guitarists with as much talent, basists with as much talent, and singers that ACTUALLY can SING!

Where does it say that singing is required to be considered good music? Rock is so gay, because all those new age band sing about is killing themselves or screaming about some dragons or gay shit like that. Jeez rock is so random. They just fuckin make random ass songs. Driving through bat country... Wtf is does that even mean.

[Commander Thor]

Where does it say that singing is required to be considered good music? Rock is so gay, because all those new age band sing about is killing themselves or screaming about some dragons or gay shit like that. Jeez rock is so random. They just fuckin make random ass songs. Driving through bat country... Wtf is does that even mean.

I love how you didn't say anything abut the talent level of the musicians. So you agree that rap musicians have little-no talent?
I can see how a song about people killing themselves makes rock happy (Gay DOES = happy btw).
Also, I've never heard a rock song, or heard about a rock song that was about dragons, maybe you can find one for me?
Bat coutry, song title, not content.

@Adam, I never said all rap was horrible. Old-school rap (Pre-2000) I still listen to on a regular basis. It's the new-age crap that I just can't stand.

[Underground_Network]

True, but some of the newer stuff ain't half bad. Its mainly the main stream rap... The rap that is shoved down our throats, that really requires no talent and can get to be quite f-ing annoying...

But I do agree with you about the talent of some rock musicians... There are some really good bassists, drummers, vocalists, etc. that no one has even heard of... There are a lot more "rock" bands than rappers out there (at least in terms of notoriety)...

[Koman]

I love how you didn't say anything abut the talent level of the musicians. So you agree that rap musicians have little-no talent?
I can see how a song about people killing themselves makes rock happy (Gay DOES = happy btw).
Also, I've never heard a rock song, or heard about a rock song that was about dragons, maybe you can find one for me?
Bat coutry, song title, not content.

@Adam, I never said all rap was horrible. Old-school rap (Pre-2000) I still listen to on a regular basis. It's the new-age crap that I just can't stand.


Dragonforce. Nuff said.

And i agree most mainstream sucks.

[Triceratops]

I'm not really into a lot of rap music, but I must admit there are many talented and skilled rappers out there who write amazing lyrics. I'm more of an alternative rock/metal kind of person myself, but not all rock is great at all! In fact, just as much as there are awful rappers, there is rock music that sounds like utter garbage. There are rappers out there that can put lots of rock musicians to shame.

[Underground_Network]

Rap rock ftw. Who knew two sounds that people think of as so different could sound so f-ing awesome together? Hollywood Undead, Linkin Park, Chronic Future, and Trik Turner are all good rap rock bands. And there are plenty others too... That and most of those bands don't limit themselves to rap and rock in all of their songs, they like to mix things up... (Especially Chronic Future)

[Music Lover]

definition of rap: Someone who thinks they're cool for being able to talk to a beat about how they have to hire whores because they can't get a girlfriend.

Thats rap for you, although there are exceptions. There's always good musicians in any genre.

[Number02]

Most to all of the 'rock' songs about death, anger, suicide and various related issues are not whinging about their life, they're not being depressive. The moral of those songs is that people shouldn't fall victim to what they have, and that with the help inspirational music you can pull through whatever's in your life.

As for 'random-ass' songs, they would be about things that interest the lyricist, for example Cyanide (Metallica) is wriiten as a result of Hetfields' interest in suicide and various related motives/implications. On a slightly fantasy/sci fi note, there are bands that write that sort of thing, e.g. 2112 by Rush, which is a prog epic set in (yeh you guessed it) 2112.

Also many seemingly 'random' songs are actually about drugs and their perceived affect. E.g., those who are unaware of the term 'snowblind' and its connections with cocaine would be clueless as to the subject of Snowblind by Black Sabbath. Similarly Sweet Leaf (except that one is about marijuana), by the same band.

Some songs simply tell a story, e.g. Get Stoned by Hinder, or are love songs based around a particular situation Lips Of An Angel (Hinder)

I find 'Broken Beat & Scarred' by Metallica to be particularly helpful in times of stress; link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XPnKWJNs_g

[rangerfan523]

i was not trying to be a hypocrite i do listen to old school rap sometimes and its the mainstream shit that pisses me off. and i was reading some of the post not all rock is about killing your self or dragons rock takes time and talent rap just take being able to talk fast

[BeautifulSilence]

No need for another thread. Merged.

[Jean Poutine]

Yes, I can definatly see how the same beat repeated over and over, and a guy talking (Not singing, talking, rappers can't sing) really fast about how he fucked 30 women with his 12 foot penis is awesome. </sarcasm>
Also, meth? You're saying rock listeners are meth users? WHAT THE FUCK?

You're saying that all rap songs talk about whores.

Pot meet kettle.

[Ripplemagne]

I used to think that rap was abhorrent as well and was a total metal head...

...Then I grew up and realized that alienating my palette of music based on genre is ignorant, superficial nonsense that's perpetuated by archetypes and imbeciles. Or to speak more lucidly, identifying yourself with a genre of music shows that you have no depth. There are plenty of other things in the world to identify with; music is a minuscule subject.

I guarantee that all of you who are complaining about a genre knows nothing of it.

[Mekipedia]

I used to think that rap was abhorrent as well and was a total metal head...

...Then I grew up and realized that alienating my palette of music based on genre is ignorant, superficial nonsense that's perpetuated by archetypes and imbeciles. Or to speak more lucidly, identifying yourself with a genre of music shows that you have no depth. There are plenty of other things in the world to identify with; music is a minuscule subject.

I guarantee that all of you who are complaining about a genre knows nothing of it.

Quoted for truth.

Good rap:

1. Eminem
2. Celph Titled
3. Army of the Pharaohs
4. Virtuoso

Try some of their songs.

[Ripplemagne]

Not to mention Fort Minor, Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West, Linkin Park and Immortal Technique.

[Death]

I don't like rap. I am suprised that rap is actualy considered to be music since it seems to be like retarded and rythmic talking with a few notes thrown in by the odd instrument or shit. As far as I'm concerned, music is like sweets; you should throw away the rappers.

[Ripplemagne]

Listen to "Dance with the Devil" by Immortal Technique. It's all rap, but the tempo is fantastic (even though he didn't create it) and forces you to listen to his words.

[Jean Poutine]

Listen to "Dance with the Devil" by Immortal Technique. It's all rap, but the tempo is fantastic (even though he didn't create it) and forces you to listen to his words.

About a dude who raped his mom.

[The Freed]

You should throw away the rappers.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/obito777/Jesushahano.jpg

[Death]

What I said about rap was just my opinion including the joke I made that was also mere opinion. Some rap is alright but generally, it is my least favourite music type.

EDIT: yourfantasy, if I were you, I'd use the edit option instead of triple-posting for asthetic reasons; just suggesting.

[Ripplemagne]

About a dude who raped his mom.

It's a pretty deep song.

[shelb angs]

I'm not a fan of the musical aspect of many rap songs, but I've found a few that I can enjoy. I tend not to pay attention of most of the dance rap that is heard, say, on the radio but I am a fan of some old rap like Boyz in da Hood.

[Antares]

I think that most rap is okay. If you think that "rap" is "loud heavy ear shatering" then I hope you don't like rock or metal because I think that is louder and more obnoxious that rap. I don't like some rap but I do like some others. Rap is very poetic and sometimes have a really good message. I think that people really underestimate it for the bass or beat and don't listen or look up the lyrics.
I think that Rock or Metal is not any better than rap and rockers not any better than rappers. Rappers are usually really talented because it is really hard to freestyle or just rhyme in general.

[lamboman43]

The only rap I hate is the kind with a cuss word every other word. And especially if it is coming out of a car. Those dorks turn it up so loud it shakes everything around them.

But i tell you this is fucking creepy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwZhRpU3YEk

[Littleman]

I love Coldplay!
And true. Rap is SOOO fucking obnoxious

Agreed, and coldplay is awesome! (i have like all their cds) :D

[Antares]

The only rap I hate is the kind with a cuss word every other word. And especially if it is coming out of a car. Those dorks turn it up so loud it shakes everything around them.

But i tell you this is fucking creepy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwZhRpU3YEk

I would take ANY ANY ANY rap over that crap any day.

(hey that rhymes)

[Spin]

Damn, some of you are very ignorant to not only rap music but music in general. I love how people say rap is degrading to women and cusses every other line. Hello? Rock music is that way too. And it does take a lot of talent to rap over beats and have a nice flow and breath control and all of that. Rap lyrics are poetic and beautiful. Rappers are great storytellers and most of the time their lyrics hold a very good message. Matter of fact, rap probably has the best lyrics out of any other genre. Oh and the rap group The Roots, play their own instruments so it's not just "electronic beats" that they rap over.

Here's some rappers that people might like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ELHgxTZlw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnevMn60Unk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcI6QxwcT9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12YgEIFcAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi6-Bd5qUVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZRAvsZf1g

[Triceratops]

I am suprised that rap is actualy considered to be music since it seems to be like retarded and rythmic talking with a few notes thrown in by the odd instrument or shit.

What a horribly ignorant and close-minded thing to say. I suggest you look into the rap genre a bit more before judging it like that. You know, some metal/rock music is retarded - take some of the awful singing and screeches that sound like wailing cats being dragged up a wall and some of the irritating repetitive guitar riffs that even my 5 year old cousin could do better than. With some bands it's almost as if they're having a competition who can play their instrument the loudest and all.

Dont forget all the underground guys like Doc Brown, Aesop Rock and Yungun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGfOFOCE2s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnuSYcrmQHk

Deep meaningful rap music.

Not to mention examples of Christian rap.

Exactly!
Aesop Rock is amazing<3

[Death]

Death, it had Ripplemagne's posts inbetween mine, but obviously a mod deleted or edited them.

Oh, I see.

To be honest, I like some rap, but not as much as pretty much all the other music out there, IMO.

[guacamole24]

Yes, I can definatly see how the same beat repeated over and over, and a guy talking (Not singing, talking, rappers can't sing) really fast about how he fucked 30 women with his 12 foot penis is awesome. </sarcasm>
Also, meth? You're saying rock listeners are meth users? WHAT THE FUCK?
Old-school rap (Pre-2000) is better than most rap created today.

Rock by-far is the best. In no other genre do you have drummers with as high of talent as they do, guitarists with as much talent, basists with as much talent, and singers that ACTUALLY can SING!


For the record, I'm a huge rap fan, but that was hilarious. Thanks for that post, it brightened my day.

I have nothing against rap or rock, I just say live and let live. Some people are gonna like rap, not everyone has to.

[HelloWorld123456]

Simple as this ... If you dont like it dont listen to it ... Duhh

[Sage]

i hate it loud heavy ear shatering is way beter than talkng fats

Making a thread about something you hate, no matter how justified you may be (Airplane food, the post office, nazis, etc.) just makes you come off as beligerent and stupid. Good going, man.

+1 post for Des.

[tammy_x3]

There's rap about having sex with random women and getting drunk/high, but there's the same shit in rock. If you don't expose yourself to all the different artists there are in a certain genre, you'll never understand what the genre is like completely. I don't listen to rap that had an intense sexual or degrading overtone, just like I don't listen to the rock songs with such messages. I like rock, I like rap, I like pop, I like R&B, pretty much everything. it's about specific artists and songs, not genres.

[Master_Miyagi]

omg you're all ignorant as fuck. open your mind a little bit, it's people like you guys who promote cliques and groups and labels, even if you don't know it. not all rap/hip-hop is shit. and not all rock is awesome, music is music and it's whats keeping me sane,
SO THANK GOD FOR MUSIC ^_^

(btw... "Music:an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color"...rap does express emotion through rythm, melody, and harmony, so it IS music, mainstream or not.

[The Boy Genius]

ohh the irony. Rapers hate f ing thing and you hate them

[Sage]

ohh the irony. Rapers hate f ing thing and you hate them

Rapers. Rapers. ...Rapers?

[Death]

He said that because rappers are rapers. JOKING!!! I didn't really mean that; certain rap can be done quite well and I like it in its own way.

[Reality]

I absolutely hate "gangsta" rap, with any of those sort of themes. Whether it's about guns, cars, violence, whores, God knows what else. I hate it.

However, don't say there isn't good rap because there is. If you ever actually listen to some of Eminem's more deep songs, you'll find a deeper meaning in them. Seriously. Listen to When I'm Gone, Hailey's Song, Cleaning Out My Closet, and Like Toy Soldiers by him. They're awesome.

Another good rap artist, well rap artists, is the rap band Fort Minor which is lead by Linkin Park's rapper Mike Shinoda.

[Jean Poutine]

It's a pretty deep song.

I suppose so, but in the end it's still about a dude who raped his mom.

Which is pretty sick but kinda awesome at the same time because it takes balls to sing/rap about that.

BTW I like Immortal Technique.

[Bougainvillea]

Uhh...
I like "Old Skool Hip Hop" :)
And more 80's and some 90's rock. Like "The Cranberries".
"U2" stuff like that, you know?

[adesiree]

I for one like both rap and rock about the same and to me even though both genres are good they both have the same amount of BS

[Dagenadriel]

I love Coldplay!
And true. Rap is SOOO fucking obnoxious

Yes. WIN. Every part of that statement was full of win.

Agreed, and coldplay is awesome! (i have like all their cds) :D

So do I, and all of their EPs.


On a more Rap related note, some old school rap/hip hop is all right. I personally like Run DMC. I wouldn't touch newer stuff with a ten foot pole.

[Koman]

What I said about rap was just my opinion including the joke I made that was also mere opinion. Some rap is alright but generally, it is my least favourite music type.

EDIT: yourfantasy, if I were you, I'd use the edit option instead of triple-posting for asthetic reasons; just suggesting.



Maybe you would identify with some of your bucktooth bretheren.

Listen to "the streets" it is a british rapper. N hes good.

[Viral Death]

All I have to say is rap will be here becuase fat black people want to talk. But I like heavy metal! Hell Yeah!

[Bougainvillea]

Yes. WIN. Every part of that statement was full of win.



So do I, and all of their EPs.


On a more Rap related note, some old school rap/hip hop is all right. I personally like Run DMC. I wouldn't touch newer stuff with a ten foot pole.

Yes! Someone who understands my complicated way. lol :P

[Koman]

All I have to say is rap will be here becuase fat black people want to talk. But I like heavy metal! Hell Yeah!

Where does it say you have to sing to be considered good.

[INFERNO]

For starters, I'm shocked at the level of ignorance and arrogance throughout this thread (with far and few who thankfully weren't).

I think all music, whether it's someone talking fast to a rhythm to shredding on a guitar to folk tales, etc... all of it takes talent. I'm a fan of metal, rock and some jazz/blues, however, I have a few rap artists who I like. I'm not a great fan of the gangsta rap or the rap where it's going incredibly fast or the cookie-cutter rap about cars, money, your kinky sex life, women/hoes, etc..., unless it is quite good. Rap such as Eminem, Linkin Park and other rap artists that don't go very fast and are unique is what I like.

For the ones that rap very fast, although I may not be a fan of it, they do have talent and every now and then, I'll take a listen. It's nice to be open-minded to the world of music rather than simply staying in your little sheltered-off corner of the room and spitting in the face of everything else.

If you really dislike it, then don't listen to it. But there's no reason to be arrogant and ignorant towards it, then go about and say "[music genre/band] is the best". Hypocrisy never fails.

Much of what I've read throughout this thread did not mention the amount of talent needed to produce the music, the amount of dedication and time spent composing the songs. Sad really.

[Spin]

I'm not trying to play "the race card" here, but how come when everyone mentions good rappers, they mention white rappers? Just something I noticed...

[SEA_GULL]

Some might say rap is spelt with a c at the start..

me...i like Rammstein, yes i know its in german but hey, its got a beat!

[Koman]

I'm not trying to play "the race card" here, but how come when everyone mentions good rappers, they mention white rappers? Just something I noticed...




Kanye west, young jeezy, t.i., gucci mane, lil wayne, lupe fiasco, nas, the game, dr. Dre, ice cube.

Easily the best rappers today.

Done deal.

[Bougainvillea]

Lil Wayne is kind of...obnoxious...
"WHAT" "YEA" "OKAYY" "GET IT KRUNK"
(The only words he knows)
Oh yeah "SKEET SKEET SKEET"

[BathingApeBuzz]

Rap is GREAT its that people will like what they like,just because you don't like something doesn't mean its horrid.

[Bougainvillea]

It's their opinion that it's horrid. As it's YOUR opinion that it's great. So yeah, to some, it is horrid. I don't really care for it if you ask me, though.

[Spin]

Kanye west, young jeezy, t.i., gucci mane, lil wayne, lupe fiasco, nas, the game, dr. Dre, ice cube.

Easily the best rappers today.

Done deal.



Errr... no.

Lupe Fiasco, yes. Nas, eh..just not my cup of tea, I'm more of a Jay-Z fan but sure he's one of the best. Dr. Dre and Ice Cube are legends but they haven't really come out with anything new that's worth while, still they're some of the best.


Kanye West and T.I. and The Game, they're alright but not the best, not even close.

The rest are trash. Gucci Mane, Lil Wayne, and Young Jeezy shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with. Lupe Fiasco, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, and Nas.

[Koman]

Errr... no.

Lupe Fiasco, yes. Nas, eh..just not my cup of tea, I'm more of a Jay-Z fan but sure he's one of the best. Dr. Dre and Ice Cube are legends but they haven't really come out with anything new that's worth while, still they're some of the best.


Kanye West and T.I. and The Game, they're alright but not the best, not even close.

The rest are trash. Gucci Mane, Lil Wayne, and Young Jeezy shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with. Lupe Fiasco, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, and Nas.

I agree with the lil wayne part and partially the gucci mane part but young jeezy is possibly THE best in the game right now. Noone even comes close. And icecube came out with his cd raw footage in '08 and it was dope as shit. And dre has a cd coming out sometime soon.(detox)

T.I. is also one of the best aswell, his numbers dont lie. And if you dont like the numbers you must just not like t.i.
One reason why t.i. Isnt one of the best?



Oh and to the ignorant guy who said the only words lil wayne knows is "what" "okay" is a retard because that is lil john. Get your facts right before you press reply.

[Bougainvillea]

Yeah, I'm OBVIOUSLY retarded because I pointed out something true. No need to be rude

[Koman]

Yeah, I'M OBVIOUSLY retarded because I pointed out something true. No need to be rude


You were actually 100% wrong....

Like totally 100% wrong. Learn facts before you try to debate.

[Spin]

I agree with the lil wayne part and partially the gucci mane part but young jeezy is possibly THE best in the game right now. Noone even comes close. And icecube came out with his cd raw footage in '08 and it was dope as shit. And dre has a cd coming out sometime soon.(detox)

T.I. is also one of the best aswell, his numbers dont lie. And if you dont like the numbers you must just not like t.i.
One reason why t.i. Isnt one of the best?



Oh and to the ignorant guy who said the only words lil wayne knows is "what" "okay" is a retard because that is lil john. Get your facts right before you press reply.


What? How is Young Jeezy THE best in the game right now? Because he has the highest record sales? Sales don't mean shit when it comes to talent. Young Jeezy is weak. I can name soooo many rappers better than him.
I like T.I. but he's not the best. He's good, one of the better mainstream rappers and he's come a loonnng way from his first album but he's still not one of the best. I prefer him over Jeezy though, no doubt about it. I still haven't listened to Ice Cubes new album but nothing can compare to what is old stuff was, same with Dre.

[Koman]

What? How is Young Jeezy THE best in the game right now? Because he has the highest record sales? Sales don't mean shit when it comes to talent. Young Jeezy is weak. I can name soooo many rappers better than him.
I like T.I. but he's not the best. He's good, one of the better mainstream rappers and he's come a loonnng way from his first album but he's still not one of the best. I prefer him over Jeezy though, no doubt about it. I still haven't listened to Ice Cubes new album but nothing can compare to what is old stuff was, same with Dre.

His last cd (The recession), was one of the first cds i can honestly say, i liked almost every song on it. Listen to his mixtapes too like, can't ban the snowman, or trap or die. They are pure fire.

[Spin]

His last cd (The recession), was one of the first cds i can honestly say, i liked almost every song on it. Listen to his mixtapes too like, can't ban the snowman, or trap or die. They are pure fire.


Hmm.. I'll give his mixtapes a try and come back and tell you what I think.

I still don't see how Jeezy could be THE best today. What are all the rappers you listen to?

[Reality]

I'm not trying to play "the race card" here, but how come when everyone mentions good rappers, they mention white rappers? Just something I noticed...
The only rapper I actually follow happens to be white. I've noticed most of the black rappers I've listened to rap about gangs and stuff like that.

It doesn't make me racist, just speaking the truth,

[BathingApeBuzz]

Most of the rappers now days have degree's in college,it entertainment just like anything else.So when they aren't speaking correct english its not because they don't know it,its just that their fans love it!Lil Wayne has an college degree so does Plies and they rap about the most ignorant things.

[Scarred]

UGH I hate rap too... It's just so freaking crap.
My definition of rap: Someone who thinks they're cool for being able to talk to a beat about how they have to hire whores because they can't get a girlfriend.

hmm.

Ignorant much?

Rap is a great genre. Stereotyping a WHOLE genre is so stupid. Its like me saying "Heavy Metal is for and is about Worshipping Satan". I love Metal as well, and I am a Christian. Not all Metal is about Demonic shit, just like not all Rap is gangsta and about the hood. Get outta here with that ignorant stuff.

[Koman]

Hmm.. I'll give his mixtapes a try and come back and tell you what I think.

I still don't see how Jeezy could be THE best today. What are all the rappers you listen to?



Jay-z, young jeezy, gucci mane, lil wayne, ice cube, snoop dogg, dr. Dre, t.i., plies, nas, birdman, lupe fiasco, kanye west, kid kudi, ya boy.Thats the majority.

Oh and a good site for those mixtapes is datpiff.com

[Spin]

The only rapper I actually follow happens to be white. I've noticed most of the black rappers I've listened to rap about gangs and stuff like that.

It doesn't make me racist, just speaking the truth,

Don't worry I don't think you're racist. Have you ever thought though, that most black rappers rap about gangs because that's what they grew up in? And I'm not talking about the mainstream rappers today, because most suck. I'm talking about people/groups like Biggie, Tupac, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, etc. They're really good talented rappers but they can say some pretty bad things. It doesn't make their music bad, and I really don't expect someone who's already a little iffy on rap to like gangsta rap. Gangsta rap is actually a really misunderstood genre, imo. It just sort of angers me when people say "I hate rap that degrades women and talks about gangs and cusses a lot but oh I love me some Eminem". I'm kind of like "Wtf". He says some pretty messed up stuff but yet people like him over gangster rappers. It just makes it hard to not play the race card when people say stuff like that.

[The Batman]

All I have to say is rap will be here becuase fat black people want to talk. But I like heavy metal! Hell Yeah!

That is completely offensive and uncalled for.

[Spin]

Jay-z, young jeezy, gucci mane, lil wayne, ice cube, snoop dogg, dr. Dre, t.i., plies, nas, birdman, lupe fiasco, kanye west, kid kudi, ya boy.Thats the majority.

Oh and a good site for those mixtapes is datpiff.com

So you think Jeezy is better than Jay-Z, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and Dr.Dre? Really? Personally, I think all of those rappers I just named are on a whole nother level than Jeezy.

[Koman]

So you think Jeezy is better than Jay-Z, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and Dr.Dre? Really? Personally, I think all of those rappers I just named are on a whole nother level than Jeezy.



I believe the key word was "possibly" in that post of mine.

And yes i think jeezy would outsell and out-rap most of them.

[Spin]

I believe the key word was "possibly" in that post of mine.

And yes i think jeezy would outsell and out-rap most of them.

Oh, no need to get all snippy. I think Jeezy is "possibly" one of the rappers that is ruining the hip-hop genre, and how you think he can out rap those greats and soon-to-be greats is beyond me.

And just because Jeezy can outsell them means nothing. Incase you haven't noticed, todays mainstream rap fans are kind of, how should I say this, stupid.

[Koman]

Oh, no need to get all snippy. I think Jeezy is "possibly" one of the rappers that is ruining the hip-hop genre, and how you think he can out rap those greats and soon-to-be greats is beyond me.

And just because Jeezy can outsell them means nothing. Incase you haven't noticed, todays mainstream rap fans are kind of, how should I say this, stupid.



I wouldnt consider jeezy mainstream, he doesnt even get radio play very often. Oh and lupe is done making cds after his new one entitled "lasers" i think. Oh and jay-z, is definitly done when BP3 comes out. He is too damn old. More like soon to be forgotten.

Why dont you like jeezy? Because his rap has a meaning?

[Spin]

I wouldnt consider jeezy mainstream, he doesnt even get radio play very often. Oh and lupe is done making cds after his new one entitled "lasers" i think. Oh and jay-z, is definitly done when BP3 comes out. He is too damn old. More like soon to be forgotten.

Why dont you like jeezy? Because his rap has a meaning?

Maybe not where you're from, he gets a lot of radio play here in the South.

Lupe Fiasco may be done making solo music but he still has that colab with Kanye and Pharrell. Honestly I don't think he's going to be done.

Jay-Z, forgotton?! Are you serious? People STILL talk about Reasonable Doubt. He's the best mainstream rapper out today, and one of the best rappers of all time. Trust me when I say, he will not be forgotton.

Wait are you saying I dislike his music because it has meaning or are you saying his music has meaning so there should be no reason why I shouldn't like it? Sorry I just didn't get that. And as for the reasons I dislike his music; His flow and delivery gets on my nerves, he has average lyrics and every line is followed by a "yaaaayyyy!".

[Bougainvillea]

You were actually 100% wrong....

Like totally 100% wrong. Learn facts before you try to debate.

Oh yeah (:
I'll man up and admit being wrong. Then I meant lil john. lol

[Koman]

Maybe not where you're from, he gets a lot of radio play here in the South.

Lupe Fiasco may be done making solo music but he still has that colab with Kanye and Pharrell. Honestly I don't think he's going to be done.

Jay-Z, forgotton?! Are you serious? People STILL talk about Reasonable Doubt. He's the best mainstream rapper out today, and one of the best rappers of all time. Trust me when I say, he will not be forgotton.

Wait are you saying I dislike his music because it has meaning or are you saying his music has meaning so there should be no reason why I shouldn't like it? Sorry I just didn't get that. And as for the reasons I dislike his music; His flow and delivery gets on my nerves, he has average lyrics and every line is followed by a "yaaaayyyy!".



if you arn't 18+ you probably shouldnt listen to these songs....

p**sy ass n*ggaz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_1bD5nsNyU&feature=related)

get allot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8C-1ED52yg)

By The Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHUrqriovk)

Jeezy The Snowman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvYD9tGAms)

Re-introduction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRJhpB5-0nQ)


His songs are fire, after fire, after fire...

i meant that you dont like him because his songs have meaning....

[Spin]

if you arn't 18+ you probably shouldnt listen to these songs....

p**sy ass n*ggaz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_1bD5nsNyU&feature=related)

get allot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8C-1ED52yg)

By The Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHUrqriovk)

Jeezy The Snowman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvYD9tGAms)

Re-introduction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRJhpB5-0nQ)


His songs are fire, after fire, after fire...

i meant that you dont like him because his songs have meaning....

I'm obviously not 18+ but thanks for that parental advisory.

Anyways you're gonna say those songs are better than these

Dead Presidents (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h30CvPTlxrE)

D'Evils (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnyBp4FzzI)

You Don't Know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FKqcsVds44)

What More Can I Say? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ordl3lw900k)

Flawless flow, great wordplay. He's definitely the best today. And Jeezy totally messed up the Public Service Announcement beat.

Jeezy is just another Lil Waybe, Rick Ross, Plies or whatever. None of them are going to have classics like Jay.

And how do I not like him cause his songs have meaning? I wouldn't listen to Lupe or other conscious rappers if I didn't like meaning in songs.

[Koman]

Hmmm, no classics huh?

And then what
Go getta
Icy
Icey (different song)
I'm so hood
Put on


Im not sure about jay, but i know jeezy had a hard as life and he went through a ton of shit to become who he is now. That is why he is one of the best, and always will be.

I bet now you're gonna try and tell me t.i. Doesnt have any classics either.

[Untouched]

Rap rock ftw. Who knew two sounds that people think of as so different could sound so f-ing awesome together? Hollywood Undead, Linkin Park, Chronic Future, and Trik Turner are all good rap rock bands. And there are plenty others too... That and most of those bands don't limit themselves to rap and rock in all of their songs, they like to mix things up... (Especially Chronic Future)

Rap/rock is fucking orgasmic. Then again, my opinion is most likely biased since two of my favorite bands are Linkin Park and Hollywood undead lol. I haven't heard a lot of Chronic Future. I think I'll check them out, though. They seem interesting.

[Spin]

Hmmm, no classics huh?

And then what
Go getta
Icy
Icey (different song)
I'm so hood
Put on


Im not sure about jay, but i know jeezy had a hard as life and he went through a ton of shit to become who he is now. That is why he is one of the best, and always will be.

I bet now you're gonna try and tell me t.i. Doesnt have any classics either.


I'm talking about albums. A classic is something that's widely recognized by the hip-hop community. Like Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, In My Lifetime Vol.1, American Gangster. Ready To Die - Notorious B.I.G, Paid In Full - Eric B and Rakim. Midnight Marauders - A Tribe Called Quest. These are all classics.

Well, Jay grew up without a father but that shouldn't matter when talking about who's the better rapper. Things that make a rapper good is Delivery, Flow, Lyrics, Wordplay, Originality etc. Well Jeezy has a horrible flow and delivery. His lyrics aren't anything special and he doesn't really have wordplay or any other technique. And he's like a carbon copy of other rappers so not that much originality.

Trap Muzik and KING are great albums. They could be called classics overtime. T.I. is a much better rapper than Jeezy though so he has the potential to come up with classics.

[Koman]

Jay-z has terrible flow. His beats are wack, and hes nothing special. And no, a classic is an individual song. Yea jeezy would have 20 amazing songs if he put out a million cd's too.

[Spin]

Jay-z has terrible flow. His beats are wack, and hes nothing special. And no, a classic is an individual song. Yea jeezy would have 20 amazing songs if he put out a million cd's too.

Okay now you're just saying what I've been saying about Jeezy. I know Jeezy is your favorite rapper and all and you wanna protect him or whatever but favorite =/= best. I think it's time you realize this. You can ask anyone who actually knows something about hip-hop and they'll say Jay has one of the best flows ever. Jeezy's flow is so slow and unnatural sounding. It's just annoying. Please, for your sake, go on SongMeanings.net. Search for a Jay song so you can see all the metaphors and double meanings he uses. A classic can be a song or album but I was talking about albums in this case. Jeezy has neither a classic song or album.

[Koman]

Okay now you're just saying what I've been saying about Jeezy. I know Jeezy is your favorite rapper and all and you wanna protect him or whatever but favorite =/= best. I think it's time you realize this. You can ask anyone who actually knows something about hip-hop and they'll say Jay has one of the best flows ever. Jeezy's flow is so slow and unnatural sounding. It's just annoying. Please, for your sake, go on SongMeanings.net. Search for a Jay song so you can see all the metaphors and double meanings he uses. A classic can be a song or album but I was talking about albums in this case. Jeezy has neither a classic song or album.



I already proved that jeezy has multiple classics.

You think jay-z can say "kill at will. Solid water, Ice cube.". Really?.... Really!?those lyrics are so wack it almost is a low blow. The reason you dont like jeezy is because he is to real and ghetto for you. His beats are ghetto beats along with his lyrics. He is the epitome of a gangster rapper right out of the trap. Now... I find it unjust to compare two different rappers.... As jay-z is a hip-hop rapper, and jeezy is a gangsta rapper.

Now, the rebirth....

Kanye west is the best hip-hop rapper. End thread.

[Spin]

I already proved that jeezy has multiple classics.

You think jay-z can say "kill at will. Solid water, Ice cube.". Really?.... Really!?those lyrics are so wack it almost is a low blow. The reason you dont like jeezy is because he is to real and ghetto for you. His beats are ghetto beats along with his lyrics. He is the epitome of a gangster rapper right out of the trap. Now... I find it unjust to compare two different rappers.... As jay-z is a hip-hop rapper, and jeezy is a gangsta rapper.

Now, the rebirth....


Kanye west is the best hip-hop rapper. End thread.

LOL. This is gonna be too easy.

Okay, Ice Cube has a song called 'Kill at Will' and "You Gots To Chill" is a song by EPMD. The line by Jay-Z that you're referring to is:

If you rip on your EP you gonna need an MD
So "You Gots to Chill" cause I "Kill at Will"
like solid water dude; y'all n!ggaz don't get it
"Kill at Will," solid water? Ice Cube.

It's actually a really clever play on words. It would make more sense when you hear him rap it. Jeezy would never come up with anything nearly as clever as that. He practically is rapping nursery rhymes.

I don't care how 'hard' or 'ghetto' Jeezy is. He's still a horrible rapper. No the epitome of Gangsta Rap is Tupac, Biggie, Eazy E. All of them are actually GOOD rappers too. I find it unjust how you're calling all these horrible rappers great and you don't even recognize the greats. And no Jay-Z is somewhat a gangsta rapper. Reasonable Doubt was one of the first mafioso rap albums. It would be more weird to compare Common and Tupac because one is a gangsta rapper and one is a conscious rapper. Hopefully you know which one is which.
Wait.. you think Kanye West is the best rapper today or ever?

I have a really weird feeling that you're just messing with me right now. Please tell me that you're just messing with me.

[Koman]

You dont listen to jeezy so you would have no clue.

And no, i said kanye was better than gay-z.

Well, no, he is the best hip-hop rapper.



Key words, HIP-HOP RAPPER. Dont mix up your genres little girl.

[Spin]

You dont listen to jeezy so you would have no clue.

And no, i said kanye was better than gay-z.

Well, no, he is the best hip-hop rapper.



Key words, HIP-HOP RAPPER. Dont mix up your genres little girl.


Yeah damn right I don't listen to him. He's horrible and your mind is warped if you think he's good. Fans like you are the reason why great hip-hop has diminished and artists like Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne are on top. You promote trash.


ALL OF THEM ARE HIP-HOP RAPPERS. There is different kinds of hip-hop though. There's gangster rap and conscious/afro-centric rap and then there's the bubble-gum pop-rap which would be Soulja Boy. Rap is not really a genre, rap is what HIP-HOP ARTISTS do.
Kanye West isn't better than Jay-Z in no way shape or form. He's not even the best CONSCIOUS HIP-HOP RAPPER. Jay-Z is NOT a CONSCIOUS HIP-HOP RAPPER.

You have no idea what you're talking about. My god, go read a book, go listen to some old school hip-hop or new non-mainstream hip-hop.

[Koman]

Yeah damn right I don't listen to him. He's horrible and your mind is warped if you think he's good. Fans like you are the reason why great hip-hop has diminished and artists like Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne are on top. You promote trash.


ALL OF THEM ARE HIP-HOP RAPPERS. There is different kinds of hip-hop though. There's gangster rap and conscious/afro-centric rap and then there's the bubble-gum pop-rap which would be Soulja Boy. Rap is not really a genre, rap is what HIP-HOP ARTISTS do.
Kanye West isn't better than Jay-Z in no way shape or form. He's not even the best CONSCIOUS HIP-HOP RAPPER. Jay-Z is NOT a CONSCIOUS HIP-HOP RAPPER.

You have no idea what you're talking about. My god, go read a book, go listen to some old school hip-hop or new non-mainstream hip-hop.

Ok pms more...

#1. All hip-hop rappers are rappers. Not all rappers are hip-hop rappers.

#2. Please dont lump me in with the people who like soulja boy.

#3. Kanye is flat out beast, get real. He went from nothing (status wise) to fucking god.

#4. Gay-z is fugly. Its a good thing he went into music, i never want to see that man on t.v.

#5. KanYe is boss and would fuck (and does) gay-z up in sales and lyrics.

[Spin]

Ok pms more...

#1. All hip-hop rappers are rappers. Not all rappers are hip-hop rappers.

#2. Please dont lump me in with the people who like soulja boy.

#3. Kanye is flat out beast, get real. He went from nothing (status wise) to fucking god.

#4. Gay-z is fugly. Its a good thing he went into music, i never want to see that man on t.v.

#5. KanYe is boss and would fuck (and does) gay-z up in sales and lyrics.

Haha that's cute how you think I'm getting mad because I'm a girl and I must be PMSing. That truly shows how childish and ignorant you are.

#1. That is actually somewhat true because sometimes people rap in rock and other genres besides hip-hop but it wouldn't be called hip-hop music. So good job for finally saying something that makes sense. BUT, Jeezy IS still a hip-hop artist.

#2. You show the ignorance of a Soulja Boy fan so I'll lump you in with one.

#3. I agree. I like him. He's a good rapper. He's not better than Jay-Z though.

#4. Again, I agree. It's a good thing that being a good rapper isn't decided by looks, huh? Jay-Z would certainly be a pretty bad rapper if that was the case. Being a good rapper isn't decided by looks though, it is decided by Flow, Delivery, Lyrical Content, Technique and Originality like it should be, so Jay-Z is one of the best ever.

#5. Jay-Z and Kanye West's record sales are pretty equal. Every album that Kanye West came out with has gone Platinum+ and every album that Jay-Z came out with has gone Platinum+. Like I said before and I will keep saying till it gets into that head of yours, Record Sales does not determine the talent of an artist. Lupe Fiasco's The Cool went gold while Tha Carter III went Platinum. Lupe Fiasco is obviously more talented than Lil Wayne. Annnd no, while Kanye West's lyrics are good they're not better than Jays. Maybe a really great Kanye West line might be better than an average Jay line, but that's about it.

[The Batman]

Ok kiddies lets calm down it's not a big deal to argue over who's your favorite rapper it's just a matter of opinions.

[Koman]

Ok, jay-z is good. It just so happens that... Kanye, t.i., jeezy > jay-z.

T.i.: Flat out has the best flow in the rap game.
Jeezy : who cares if he isn't usig any of your new fandangled literary devices. It doesnt matter how the meaning of your song gets out of your mouth. All thab matters is that he says it and it sounds dope.
Kanye: enough said.

Oh and jeezy doesnt define himself as a rapper. He claims to be a street poet.

[Spin]

Ok, jay-z is good. It just so happens that... Kanye, t.i., jeezy > jay-z.

T.i.: Flat out has the best flow in the rap game.
Jeezy : who cares if he isn't usig any of your new fandangled literary devices. It doesnt matter how the meaning of your song gets out of your mouth. All thab matters is that he says it and it sounds dope.
Kanye: enough said.

Oh and jeezy doesnt define himself as a rapper. He claims to be a street poet.


I still don't agree with that. Jay is clearly better.

T.I has a nice flow, one of the best, but he doesn't have THE best.

Jeezy, it's not that I don't like him cause he doesn't use literary devices. He raps about the same things money, how he's so hood, and girls. And it does matter how he says it, cause it has to sound good, and when he says it he doesn't sound good, like at all.

Well he's still a rapper/ hip-hop artist and I guess a street poet now.

Ok kiddies lets calm down it's not a big deal to argue over who's your favorite rapper it's just a matter of opinions.

Do you really have to say kiddies? And none of the rappers we're arguing about is my favorite.

[Koman]

I still don't agree with that. Jay is clearly better.

T.I has a nice flow, one of the best, but he doesn't have THE best.

Jeezy, it's not that I don't like him cause he doesn't use literary devices. He raps about the same things money, how he's so hood, and girls. And it does matter how he says it, cause it has to sound good, and when he says it he doesn't sound good, like at all.

Well he's still a rapper/ hip-hop artist and I guess a street poet now.

Are you trying to tell me jeezy doesnt have money, and didnt grow up in the hood?

And whos flow is better than t.i..... None.

[Spin]

Are you trying to tell me jeezy doesnt have money, and didnt grow up in the hood?

And whos flow is better than t.i..... None.


What? How do you even get that out of what I said? I know he has money and I guess he grew up in the hood, I'll take his word for it. But just because he has money doesn't mean he has to rap about it all the time, and maybe he can do it in a more creative way.

Still alive and making music: Jay-Z, Black Thought, Inspectah Deck, Common, Blu, Andre 3000, Q-tip. Should I go on?

Dead or not making music anymore: Notorious B.I.G, Big L, Rakim. Should I go on also?

Now I'm saying T.I. has a good flow, why can't you just take that?

[The Batman]

Spin don't double post and it doesn't matter what word I use the point is that it's a pointless arguement and your not even on topic if you want to continue your discussion take it to another thread otherwise this will be locked.

[Spin]

Spin don't double post and it doesn't matter what word I use the point is that it's a pointless arguement and your not even on topic if you want to continue your discussion take it to another thread otherwise this will be locked.

Well it kind of does. It sounds like you're belittling us just because you're older. It may be a pointless argument to you because you might not enjoy hip-hop as much as us. Okay, we'll take it to another thread.


Koman post in the thread I just made.

[Guitarist4Life]

i like almost all types of music but the rap that is centered upon sex here and there is just plain and simple bullshit, rock and metal above all!!!

[ackmedsgirl666]

every rap song i hear is based on sex drugs and alcohol
for example
like flo rida's right round
face it its not about looking at eachother
its about umm giving one another oral