Can anything else "bad" happen in Bush's remaining

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

I think that not too many good things will come about, but i cant be sure about the bad. I am, though, leaning to the yes bad things will happen because of how Bush mentioned in his State of the Union address that he wants to stay in Iraq, and adding this to the responces of "When will WW3 happen?" i dont think there is a good outcome at all.
Tell me what u think

[kolte]

I'm sure these next two years are bound to just kill our economy even more.

[Underage_Thinker]

Ya i shure from what i have seen bush do, he has plenty of time to screw somthing up.

[kolte]

its not just bush, bush is the spokesperson for a much larger picture. its the entire republician party. they are killing the country right now.

[Dfsg]

I'm sure the WORLD will cause bad things to happen, and Bush will do his best to lead us, and do a darned good job of it.

[kolte]

I'm sure the WORLD will cause bad things to happen, and Bush will do his best to lead us, and do a darned good job of it.

because hes done SUCH a good job so far :roll:

[serial-thrilla]

I'm sure the WORLD will cause bad things to happen, and Bush will do his best to lead us, and do a darned good job of it.

because hes done SUCH a good job so far :roll: comments like that are just ridiculas. im not a bush activist but i reconized hes been in power over a period of time that has probably been the worst for america for over 50 years.

[kolte]

I'm sure the WORLD will cause bad things to happen, and Bush will do his best to lead us, and do a darned good job of it.

you think bush is so good, heres a list of all his "acomplishments" and some quotes for things hes said and written:

Past work experience:
Ran for congress and lost, Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie, Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock, Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox, with fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union, Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money, Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history, Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:
Attacked and took over two countries, Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury, Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history, Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period, Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market, First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner, First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record, First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/) Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her). Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission. First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Refused to allow inspector’s access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections). All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) First US president to establish a secret shadow government. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war. Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war. Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view. All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review. For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

and not one of those is false, mark my words.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

damn koler, i think ur kinda like me, cant stand to lose an argument like this.and i do give bush some credit for at least being the person that has to "take the blame" for all of this, but that's not saying he did everything correctly. lately ive been thinking alot about another world war and what it would bring us. maybe it would be like ww2 where everyone uses the same kind of stuff(missles/rockets) and maybe nukes. and maybe there would be a new weapon discovered; in ww2 it was the atomic bomb and later the hydrogen bomb, what would come now? lazer stuff? or a new form of chemical warfare? idk

[kolte]

i don't like to think of what new kind of way man will kill each other.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

no, no, i dont mean it like that, its just idk, i like studying ww2 history so i was trying to link it up with todays, but i agree it's really terrible with wut some people want to do these days. i try to beleive that one day the whole world will be at peace with eachother, but i think either its too late for that or just because how the human brain works there will always be disputes that end in some sort of violence, its really quite depressing

[Dfsg]

No need to read it I can tell it's from some liberal nutjob site that spins news well. Where'd you copy-paste it from?

Lets mark your words for one of them (one quick scan found it)- Being AWOL from the Texas Air Guard.

This is based off of papers that were forged and sent to CBS. The papers were found to be printed by a typewriter not yet invented during the Vietnam war. They were all forged, and several top CBS executives were fired, and Dan Rather almost lost his job for reporting the news.

I'm surprised you didn't hear about that one.

Just one example of how libs don't know the news.

I wonder how many of those things also apply to Clinton and John Kerry (but I wont read it in it's entirety unless you offer your source). Gotta love liberal spin.

[Underage_Thinker]

*spits up drink all over comp screen*. LIBRAL SPIN! wow what a hipacrice we live in, cough cough Rush Linbaw. anywho if your going to debate Dfsg you have to atleast be willing to read the other persons arguments. Otherwise i am going to have to beleve that you are afraid that he is right.

[kolte]

Yeah really, at least your opposing side “democrats” don’t have a radio station that all just bashes the other side. I can’t stand it, every time a presidential election comes up, it’s always “my opponent sucks, pick me” Hey, I don’t care if your opponent sucks, I want to know your platform, and I want to know what you’re going to do good.

You know, it’s really sad I was going to be fair and look up the ‘real’ list of George Bush Accomplishments, but I couldn’t really….well, find it. That’s right, I found one list, from “boycottliberalism.com” which I can’t rightly use, because it’s a “conservative nut job site that spins news well” Right, I’m glad we can get along maturely. It’s about time liberals and conservatives got along. I’ve never had such stubborn opposition. Matt, was good, oh yes, the best debater on this site, and we enjoyed many debates, still do when he’s on msn, but at least he wasn’t a conservative, he was just, very pro American, and very anti whatever I was lol. I wish he would swallow his pride, and come back to VT.

My point is, George Bush is bound to screw something else up. You don’t have to be a “Liberal Nut Job” to realize that. You can look at all the statistics for yourself; George Bush is ranking in at one of the worst leaders of the United States ever. It’s not just the ramblings of a teenager, it’s the truth. You need to stop defending a man that is truly, not fulfilling his duty as president of the United States of America.

[Dfsg]

Of course I read the other arguments. They are just silly, though. The Democratic party has imploded to such a point that I am humored by every stance they take. I have no idea how you guys are going to get a presidental candidate up for 2008 who can stand against the Republicans.

Yes, the Conservatives have most of the Radio (save that one weirdo, Al Franken, whose ratings are pretty low). But they are up against papers and television that are 90% of the time liberal. FOX and a select few newspapers are the only voices of Conservatism of those types of media. If just the New York Times, Newsweek and CBS news were stopped, and all other pieces of newsmedia still ran, I think President Bush's ratings would soar. Those publications are only about bush-bashing. Look at Cheney's hunting accident today- they are complaining that Cheney's staff did not report this news to the National media right away. Why should he? All they do is try to cripple any conservative they can. Now they say he was being irresponcible in keeping this news from the national media. Think of what they would have said if he reported it outright. They'd spin something saying it was a "coverup" for something worse, or try to spin any bad thing they can from it. It sickens me.

Bush is trying to do good for this country. Liberal Senators in Congress is blocking all of his attemps. They refuse to cut spending, they refuse to keep this country safe, and they time and time again undermine his authority as President.

Standing up against all these things, I say Bush is in the list of top 5 best presidents. I see no way why you would say he's one of the worst.

Is he going to screw up on some things? Yes! Darn right he is! Who hasn't? Every president has made mistakes, but I don't see Bush as making as many as you and the liberal mass-media claim.

[kolte]

Standing up against all these things, I say Bush is in the list of top 5 best presidents. I see no way why you would say he's one of the worst.

dude............no..............how can you just ignore the fact that we are digging deeper and deeper into dept, the biggest dept in us history, funds everywere are being cut, education lvls and dropout lvls are disgusting, theres mad inflation, were in war, unemployment, unprepared for natural disasters, his entire presidency was devoted to sucuring america incase of an attack, and we get hit by a hurricane and he failed us, all he had worked for was in vain, screw up after screw up. why cant you see how bad he is????? wtf dude.

[Dfsg]

Oh yeah, Bush went to Africa and started blowing so Hurricane Katrina would have hit the Gulf Coast.

It was a devistating blow that no man could have stopped. He had tried to strenghten the levys years ago, but due to pressures from congress and the newsmedia, had to reduce the rebuilding plan. He was talking to Governor Blanco more than 2 days before it hit, and tried to get her to activate the state's National Guard, but she refused. He did what he could. And don't bring up FEMA, it's not a big agency for this type of thing. It took over a month to respond to Hurricane Andrew. No one in Mississippi is complaining, and no one in Texas is complaining. It's just the poor folks in New Orleans who feel entitled to be coddled by the US government from Cradle to Grave that make this look like a terrible disaster. Every US city in history has rebuilt after disasters with little to no US aid, but New Orleans cries and wants the US to pay for everything.

Education levels are fine, and Unemployment is low. The Stock Market is Up, and he brought us out of the Clinton recession.

He is fighting against attacks from liberals who will do anything to attack this country. Look at all the Democrats who constantly do things that get our troops killed (Kerry voting against body armor, Dick Durban saying outlandish untrue stories that incite violence) He is standing strong when liberals would have us stand weak against a formidable enemy. They want to talk it out with those who want to and have killed thousands of Americans with no intent to stop.

I respect that. He's a great president. I see little wrong with what he's doing.

[kolte]

i see it now, you are a war mongerer like the rest as long as we are doing good with are armies then you think the president is doing a good job. But I'm an economic and homeland kind of guy. If an administration doesnt give a shit for the homeland and economy and just goes off destroying the rest of the world, then I have a problem. I don't like how all the funds for all the american organizations were cut, my mother who works for the federal governments budget was almost disbanded. Her funds lacking so heavey, she has to pay for things out of her own pocket. Thats food out of my mouth, that pisses off. Now if I was rich i could enjoy all those happy tax cuts, but no, I live in poverty, my mom is a Teacher for the federal government and my step father is lower class construction worker. I don't think you even know what the education lvls and unemployment lvls are, because if you did, you would have a problem with it, My mother teaches at a federal Job Corps, shes constantly getting ridiculas emails from the whitehouse department of labor. Her job is to #1 teach underprivaliged students CNA classes #2 find them Jobs. so if theres two things I have to hear about everyday, is employment and education. She moniters these numbers very carfully, its her job to. My father works in oil, I know hes making more money then god, so It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that market is doing well. my step dad works construction, that market is doing fine as well. The stock market is suffering, watch the stock channel just one day, and you will see it is going down at the moment, and has been very unstable since 2003. The bush administration has been constantly telling us that they are working on national defense and makeing sure that if an attack on america happens we are ready. A hurricane hits and all hell breaks loose. it takes days for our federal government to do anything. Which proves they werent ready for an attack on america if they couldnt even handle a hurricane. Hurricane Katriana was the most devestating and costly disaster in american history, of couse they need help fromt he federal government. It will cost more then 200 billion dollars to fix it, who else has that kind of money. And quit sassing me, thats innapropriate and low.

[Dfsg]

Hurricane Katrina- ONLY New Orleans and places in southern Louisiana are begging for money. ALL other areas are paying their own way. Florida payed for three major Hurricanes last year, and Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas are paying for rebuilding this year. THOSE ARE REPUBLICAN STATES.

Southern Louisiana and New Orleans are Democratic filthpots. They show what happens when the government puts all it's social programs into effect. Most of New Orleans was on some sort of federal aid, and the people feel entitled to get everything from the government on the backs of your tax money. Now they cry that they still need it and more, when they should be getting out a hammer and nails and doing it themselves like EVERY other person in the surrounding area. It is Democratic control of that area that is causing the problem. If it were a Republican city, like Mobile, we'd see no problems whatsoever.

My mother teaches many underpriviledged people herself. She is a republican because she knows that Conservatism offers the best future. It takes away the entitlement mentality that the government should baby you from cradle to grave and makes people accountable for themselves.

Do Democrats want people to be furthered, and have a chance to move up a class? No! They say "Awww, poor lower class, lets write some checks". They offer no incentive for hard work that can further the lower class.

The Stock market is suffering? I'm sorry, it's almost higher than ever before, and Bush brought us out of one of the worst crashes of all time. We'd be doing much better if Bush's ideas had been passed by Congress. The house will pass bush's plans, but the Senate is too scared. That is why spending keeps going up, when Bush is trying to cut it back. Democrats WILL NOT SPEND LESS. Sadly, there are some RINOs (Republicans in name only) who also keep these things from passing.

I am a war monger? A war monger is one who starts wars for no reason. War Mongers are terrorists who attack us and kill 5,000 Americans. I understand the necessity of war, rather than running scared and showing terrorists that we won't fight them. What were your feelings on 9/11? Did you feel sorry for the terrorists who killed thousands? I'm not far from New York City, and I was very highly affected, and no one I know wasn't personally affected by the disaster. These terrorists are the people we want to stop, but you'd rather see them come again and keep attacking.

[kolte]

necessity of war? there is not need for violence, I thought we were past old barbaric ways of dealing with enemies. Can we not but the guns down for a second and try talking things threw. HOw about we fund some programs that bring commerce to the middle east. I think commerce can solve just about any war hungry countries. If a country has high commerce, its rich, like the united states, and all the european countries and japan and south korea. BUt if a country doest have commerce, then its poor and relys on unproductive agriculture and crude drug trafficing etc. when a country like Iraq persay is populated with world commerce, business like never before seen, a war would hurt the commerce in that area and loose that country billions of tax dollars. COuntries with high commerce are less likely to want a war and loose all that green. If the entire war was democratic, commerce would flow, global travel would be a breese. These terrorists no nothing of commerce or freedom, so we need to take steps to bring that too them. Some middle eastern countries are becoming more a more democratic and more and more commerical. So lets stock 'em full of goods and services jobs and markets, bam, there making billions, wouldnt want a war to take that away from them there doing great, no need for war. pwn.

[TheWizard]

Bush sucks.

His VP shoots a guy and he just walks away. If any of us shot a guy we would be in jail and charged with a crime.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

Dick Cheany is the darkest man alive. He is my vision of the steryotypical rich white powerful man. he is evil

[serial-thrilla]

Bush sucks.

His VP shoots a guy and he just walks away. If any of us shot a guy we would be in jail and charged with a crime. oh ok his vp shoots someone so he sucks? pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffttt

[redcar]

bush sucked before Dick shot someone, who subsequently had a heart attck.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

did anybody see The Daily Show last night? they were like given a gift by some supernatural power, lol cuz they had to do no work to make the show the funniest episode i ever seen. pretty much all they did was make fun of Cheany. if u dont know the show, the people on it besideds John Stewart make up job titles for fake interviews, so last nights guy was a Vice-presidential Firearms Mishap Analist, lol

[Underage_Thinker]

Education levels are fine, and Unemployment is low. The Stock Market is Up, and he brought us out of the Clinton recession.

Wait one miniet wasn't it clinton that had the surpluss and bush right now who is in deficit. I don't realy have any clue what ressetion you are talking about.

[kolte]

Education levels are fine, and Unemployment is low. The Stock Market is Up, and he brought us out of the Clinton recession.

Wait one miniet wasn't it clinton that had the surpluss and bush right now who is in deficit. I don't realy have any clue what ressetion you are talking about.

i know what hes talking about, I just think its full of shit :P

[Webbeardthepirate]

OK Kolar, yes spending has got out of control. But when your doing something like rebuild a city after a huricane shouldn't you borrow the money and pay it back over many years. Shouldn't the people who bennefit from a rebuilt city twenty years from now be the ones to pay for it? Why should my grandma who will be dead in 20 years have to pay for all of the rebuilding of a city she isn't going to get to use as much as kids who don't pay any taxes now. The only things you shouldn't borrow money for is to pay the saleries of government employees, because the people right now benifit, and for social programs like aid to families with dependant children and social security. But borrowing money, deficit spending, for things like defence, and roads, and levies, and that, the people who bennifit the most, future generations pay for it. Actually, borrowing money to clean up the environment would make sense too, because future generations would bennefit, they should pay.

There are times when war and violence are the answer. When you are attacked by barbarians you have the right, even the responsibility to defend yourself. And when some one threatons to attack you with nuclear or biological weapons (I don't really worry about chemical weapons) you have a right to kill them first. Every president from Trueman on has emphasized that the US reserves its right to first strike. This was beacause often our enemies outnumbered us, and if we got into a pitched war they wanted it clear that they wouldn't wait, assuring that no pitched war we couldn't win would be forced on us. Its called brinksmanship and it is scarry as hell and very very dangerous. Its like playing chiken with trucks full of cyanide (used to mine gold, so there really are trucks full of cyanide on the roads). But if your choice is to get behind the wheel of your own truck or stand in the middle of the road, get in the truck and just flash your lights and honk your horn.

Back to the original topic of the post, Aquateen Hunger Force is the Awsome.

Wait, it was more bad things happening in the next three years. I'd be surprised if they didn't. Some people will be born, some will die, new diseases will spread, Federline will release a rap album, A movie about Gay muslims will be released all over the world (you thought cartoons were inflamatory), people your in love with will not love you back, the new x-men movie is going to stink, OS-X will start running on PCs and events unforseeable will also happen. Bush will be blamed for all of these things.

[Dfsg]

We might not be barbarians, but terrorists are, and they just don't understand the language of negotiations.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

Back to the original topic of the post, Aquateen Hunger Force is the Awsome.

why yes, yes it is 8) and dsfg, i support fighting to bring about peace because i've realized that there will never be complete peace if humans can have their own opinion. but this war has been dragged out killing lots of people and that i dont support. i may sound very ignorant in saying this, but id much rather have a very fast destructive wave of force rather than a war going back and forth back and forth because i think a lingering war kills more and leaves people more likely to bring it back up again. i would rather have complete peace where you could go to any country you like to experience the culture w/o fear of violence, but as said before, as long as the human mind is free to experience its own thought and opinion for the person, i dont think there can be complete peace.

[serial-thrilla]

bush sucked before Dick shot someone, who subsequently had a heart attck. like i said before, he is the best politician the world has to offer. he is the leader of the worldest most powerful country, either bush sucks or america is full of idiots.

[redcar]

bush sucked before Dick shot someone, who subsequently had a heart attck. like i said before, he is the best politician the world has to offer. he is the leader of the worldest most powerful country, either bush sucks or america is full of idiots.

best politician? bollox! he is terrible the only reason he is in office is cause he could afford to get there. presidential elections are not cheap.

and i wouldnt call the Americans idiots just mislead, after all only the elction only had a 20% of the country actually voted for him.

[kolte]

yeah, but just count eligable voters, and that rises to like 30 or 40 percent huzzah. Anywho, back to the real original topic,of course bad things are bound to happen, but good things too, its a stupid question really, because bad things are "bound" to happen at ever juncture in your life, regardless of if your the president or a sex slave in cambodia. At least, even if he's been the not best president in history, Iraq may come out on top, free and happy. At least Afghanistan and Iraq, are democratic and on there way to peace now. SO be happy for them.;

[serial-thrilla]

bush sucked before Dick shot someone, who subsequently had a heart attck. like i said before, he is the best politician the world has to offer. he is the leader of the worldest most powerful country, either bush sucks or america is full of idiots.

best politician? bollox! he is terrible the only reason he is in office is cause he could afford to get there. presidential elections are not cheap.

and i wouldnt call the Americans idiots just mislead, after all only the elction only had a 20% of the country actually voted for him. oh ok, so i guess americans are just careless and stupid if they didnt bother voting.

[redcar]

well the people who didnt vote i think are stupid, if you ahve the vote use it dont throw it away. but unfortunatly the turn out for most elections is generally in the 50% region, unfortunatly that is life.

[Webbeardthepirate]

Hey, we have every right to not vote. If you aren't informed don't throw randomness into the mix, it's bad enough as it is? Does every one know who their represntative is in congress? The name of both their state senetors? Do you know how they voted on NAFTA, on War with Iraq? Do you know who your state representatives and senators are? Do you know the name of your county commisssioner? The city councilman that represents the district you live in, if you live in a city?

Do you know the names of your school board members? Do you know what their position is on vending machines in schools, on teacher saleries? Do you know if any of them have kids in your schools? What if they send their own kids to private schools? What about sex education and allowing police on campus to do random locker searches? What about funding for special ed, or for kids in prison in other states. How much of your schools budget goes to administrators and how much goes to actual teachers? These are local issues that affect you everyday, and if you can't be bothered to learn the answers to these key decisions and where your school board members stand, then how can you be trusted to be informed about the Department of Agriculture?

If you can't be bothered to know this stuff, don't bother voting, you won't help any one. Most of the people who do vote are stupid and don't know what they are doing. And anyone who votes because of peer preasure rather then because they are informed are the ones who are stupid. Not just stupid, spineless and stupid.

[redcar]

well i do know most of those answers to the questions which apply to me. i find it so hypocritical that people couldnt be bothered to find the info and cast their vote cause i find it is these very people who complain about how things are run, and really they dont have any right to complain cause they threw their vote away.

[serial-thrilla]

Hey, we have every right to not vote. If you aren't informed don't throw randomness into the mix, it's bad enough as it is? Does every one know who their represntative is in congress? The name of both their state senetors? Do you know how they voted on NAFTA, on War with Iraq? Do you know who your state representatives and senators are? Do you know the name of your county commisssioner? The city councilman that represents the district you live in, if you live in a city?

Do you know the names of your school board members? Do you know what their position is on vending machines in schools, on teacher saleries? Do you know if any of them have kids in your schools? What if they send their own kids to private schools? What about sex education and allowing police on campus to do random locker searches? What about funding for special ed, or for kids in prison in other states. How much of your schools budget goes to administrators and how much goes to actual teachers? These are local issues that affect you everyday, and if you can't be bothered to learn the answers to these key decisions and where your school board members stand, then how can you be trusted to be informed about the Department of Agriculture?

If you can't be bothered to know this stuff, don't bother voting, you won't help any one. Most of the people who do vote are stupid and don't know what they are doing. And anyone who votes because of peer preasure rather then because they are informed are the ones who are stupid. Not just stupid, spineless and stupid. those dont apply to me because i dont live in the states. but even if i did almost all of those are irelavent. and yes you do have the right to not vote, but that doesent mean its not stupid. i have the right to not eat food but thats stupid.

[Webbeardthepirate]

Actually, you don't have the right to not eat food. Try it for a while and see what happens? They lock people up for not eating food, and force them to consume sustinance, through their veins if they have too. Still anorexia remains the deadliest of all mental illnesses.

You have a simpler system in Canada, but you do have provincial legist lators as well as you MP. Do you know them as well? Do you know how your MP voted on NAFTA? Do you know if NAFTA is a good or bad thing? I don't know if you canadians have local school boards. How is school policy set, and if you don't like it who is the politician to which you should address your concerns? If you do, your very well infomred. How old do you need to be to vote in Canada? Did you vote in the last election, that was like a month ago?

Really if you don't pay attention and just vote because you can you cancel out a vote of some one who was paying attention, actually knows what they are doing. Is that fair? If you do go to the troubel to learn waht you should to be a good citizen how do you like knowing your vote will be cancled out by some one who can't think beyond "Bush Sucks" or "Liberals are all pussies." It just feels wrong that my vote is worthelss because of all the brainless nitwits who vote because they are told to by P. Diddy or the celebrity of the month. It makes me want to scream it is so frustrating.

[redcar]

Actually, you don't have the right to not eat food. Try it for a while and see what happens? They lock people up for not eating food, and force them to consume sustinance, through their veins if they have too. Still anorexia remains the deadliest of all mental illnesses.

actually you do have the rite not to eat food. ever heard of a hunger strike? many people have died from it in protest.

[serial-thrilla]

Actually, you don't have the right to not eat food. Try it for a while and see what happens? They lock people up for not eating food, and force them to consume sustinance, through their veins if they have too. Still anorexia remains the deadliest of all mental illnesses.

You have a simpler system in Canada, but you do have provincial legist lators as well as you MP. Do you know them as well? Do you know how your MP voted on NAFTA? Do you know if NAFTA is a good or bad thing? I don't know if you canadians have local school boards. How is school policy set, and if you don't like it who is the politician to which you should address your concerns? If you do, your very well infomred. How old do you need to be to vote in Canada? Did you vote in the last election, that was like a month ago?

Really if you don't pay attention and just vote because you can you cancel out a vote of some one who was paying attention, actually knows what they are doing. Is that fair? If you do go to the troubel to learn waht you should to be a good citizen how do you like knowing your vote will be cancled out by some one who can't think beyond "Bush Sucks" or "Liberals are all pussies." It just feels wrong that my vote is worthelss because of all the brainless nitwits who vote because they are told to by P. Diddy or the celebrity of the month. It makes me want to scream it is so frustrating. you asked too many questions, and im too lazy to look through every single one and respond to each of them.

[TheWizard]

Yes he could have a trigger happy VP. :)

[Webbeardthepirate]

Those were just questions you should be able to answer, its not a quiz. Except for whether you got to vote in the last election in Canada. That one I'm just curious about. And the voteing age in Canada, cause I don't know and it is the sort of thing neglected in our civics text books.

[serial-thrilla]

all you really need to know is what the politician stands for and what he/she plans to change. if you agree with the politician thats all that matters

[Dfsg]

I always do my research before voting. What scares me is the same as what scares Webb- that people who don't do their research can cancel out my vote and the vote of every other informed voter out there.

And yeah, webb, I'm all with you for a poll quiz, but I'm sure it'd cause too much controversy in congress before it gets passed.

[Webbeardthepirate]

Did I say there should be a quiz? Those are always perverted to keep certain classes of people from not voting. I'm saying if you aren't at least reasonably informed it is your civic duty to rent a DVD and stay home election night. Lots of people don't excersize their civic duty, so I suppose some will vote anyways.

What a politician stands for is always a smoke screen. The supreem court ruled that politiicians have a right to lie to the the voters, and make promises that they never intend to keep. You need to know what they have actually done to know who they really are. Talk is cheap.

In the end, who gets elected matters only a little. There is usually a right way of doing things, and so that is what gets done. Then there are special interests looking for a hand out, what economists call "rent seeking." that mucks things up.

The most democratic vote you have is the one you make with your dollers, and I don't mean campaign contributions. When ever you buy something you are voting for that product sold at that location. Sometimes you looses and your favorit store closes. But every dollar is a vote on how you want the country to be, ranging from hemlines on skirts to music played on the radio. And you don't even have to be 18 to excersize this voting power. And its a vote that really affects the environment, workers, trade, everything. Every dollar spent is a signal to the economy as to how resources from manpower to iron ore, to farmland should be used.

[Dawncloack]

In the end, who gets elected matters only a little. There is usually a right way of doing things, and so that is what gets done. Then there are special interests looking for a hand out, what economists call "rent seeking." that mucks things up.

I could not have summed it better


The most democratic vote you have is the one you make with your dollers, and I don't mean campaign contributions. When ever you buy something you are voting for that product sold at that location. Sometimes you looses and your favorit store closes. But every dollar is a vote on how you want the country to be, ranging from hemlines on skirts to music played on the radio. And you don't even have to be 18 to excersize this voting power. And its a vote that really affects the environment, workers, trade, everything. Every dollar spent is a signal to the economy as to how resources from manpower to iron ore, to farmland should be used.

That is pretty good thinking I think, but I somehow suspect it has a flaw.
I mean, what you say is correct, but can an election be fair if not everyone is represented?

Let me give you an example, about music, now that you mentioned it.
There are infinite styles of music. Can you really choose in the manner you say if they don't give you the full choice?
I think music enterprises will only give you the unsubstantial things that help them sell better, rather that the full variety.
In the 80's it was rock (Gods of Metal forgive me for saying that there was unsubstantial rock, but there was) in the 90's it was beat-based music, and anytime you can find the short-lived Britney and Aguilera type.

(I am, of course, generalising a lot)

But what if you liked, say, Jazz Manouche (Gipsy Jazz, all the craze in France right now)? Can you have it in America? Does Virgin give you that candidature to vote? Or would you have to look hard?

Same for Bluegrass here in Europe. Everytime I mention it people think it is some sort of marijuana.

That is why I try to support independent labels, a question of variety.

[kolte]

get back on topic, I'm fine if it strays a bit left or a bit right, but you are all ranting about a completly different thing, if you want to rant about that, then start a new debate.

[Dfsg]

Answering the topic: President Bush isn't a god, so of course bad things will happen. All we have to do as a country is keep around our elected leaders of any party and support them. They are all there for a reason. Pray for each of them, and hope that good will result, even if it is in the long run.

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It rele bugs me that recently he sold or did something of that nature the ports of New York and New Jersey and other places. He was selling it to i think some arab country. I find this the stupiest thing he has ever done and it has angered many many many Americans. He deserves to be impeached lol

[kolte]

It rele bugs me that recently he sold or did something of that nature the ports of New York and New Jersey and other places. He was selling it to i think some arab country. I find this the stupiest thing he has ever done and it has angered many many many Americans. He deserves to be impeached lol

what good will come out of bushes impeachment, it will just get worse and worse, it will cause way to much trouble. You misunderstand, a privet company from Dubai a city in the UAE, an arab nation is buying about 21 ports world wide, I believe 6 of which are major ports in the united states. The united states congress is resenting the trasaction because they feel that Dubai owned US ports would leave us open to terror attacks. I for one agree that this leaves us rather open to attack, but I trust the white house's choice, and I think that if the bush administration allows this, then they must feel the UAE is safe. So I side with President Bush. After all, we don't want to send out the message that American Markets are closed to International business.

NOTE: moving this too new topic, do not reply to this, get back on topic *peace*

[serial-thrilla]

although i appreciate all the research you did could you please take that down? it took me almost 5 minutes to scroll down the page because of all the lag.

[Webbeardthepirate]

Can I answer Dawncloak. I think its related to bush and elected officials.

See, what happens is you get to have indi music because you and others are willing to pay for it. You can even have hobby music that other people are willing to produce just to spend time making it, and you only have to pay with your time to listen to it.

But where government comes in is that they can and do impose regulations that limit choices. When a corporation feels threatoned they will sometimes apeal to the governemtn to stop their competitors. Tey'll say there is unfair competition or some other crap like that. Or they can claim the products are unsafe, and that only governemtn certified web router opperators should have servers on the internet, or something like that. These are called Barriers to Entry. Some bariers are natural like a city water supply. Its not economical for multiple companies to put in their own pipes for water supplies. Same goes for electricity, it is needlessly repetative duplication of infrastructure. These are called natural monopolies. Governemtn can and should ragulate them because it is not bennificial to duplicate infrustructure nor allow power companies to charge so much for electricity that stringing extra wires would be a prety good idea.

But steel manufacturing, while requiring big plants, is not a natural monopoly, and worse is subject to cost reductions through innovation.
Well Bush imposed a terrif on steel imports that lasted 14months and gave the steel mills a chance to retool their own mills to compete with brazillian steel mills. Well, in capitolism, that's cheating. The government, in this case Bush, put up an artificial barrior to entry protecting the US steel industry. The workers and communities that depend on those steel mills for jobs and the moeny form those workers to suvive then thanked Bush for violating the rules of good economic management and saving their inefficient and failing industry (which was that way beacuase of decades of Union rules restricting innovation) and their overpaid union jobs by voteting overwhelmingly for Kerry. I guess you really can't buy votes.

If no one wanted to listen to bluegrass music, or not enough did, then there wouldn't be much of it around. There isn't much real kentuckey bluegrass music around any more anyways. Some one would probably still play it out of sheer enjoyment, and maybe put it on their internet site. And You could download it, and because you liked it donate some money so they will keep making it. See, the internet increases your options by lowering what is called information costs, that is how hard it is to find out about a good or service and compare it to other substitute goods and services. Froogle helps do that by doing price comaprisons for you too. E-bay is built on reducing the information costs of sellers to connect to buyers. That's how the internet lowers one of the prexsting bariors to entry. Say you made music that one half of one percent of people liked enough to buy it, well if the internet connected every one then you would have 30 million customers who would buy your music. But in the past if you lived in a town of 100,000, and you some how reached all of them you'd only sell to 500 of them. Alot harder to make a living.

So, Bush may intervene in economics again, but if the Internet can be kept free of the UN's corrupt clutching grasp, and with Bush in the White House, for the forseable future it will, you will be able to buy whatever sort of music you like no matter what BMG or Sony Music, or Virgin Records has to say about it.

[advent_child]

there is no amount of time period that would restrict any republican from screwing up. short and sweet, that is my answer.