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MisterMonster
June 4th, 2009, 12:22 PM
I've seen a lot of posts that ask if being gay is a choice or you are born with it, but i havn't seen anything that asking if it were nurture.
What i mean is, In your opinion, are you born gay, is it a choice, or is it environmental?
Blue63
June 4th, 2009, 12:28 PM
I suppose certain things in nurture can lean you one way or the other. However, in the end I really do think you're born with it, now I am heterosexual so I can't speak for personal experiences, but what I have seen and heard, I do believe you are born with it
Jman35
June 4th, 2009, 02:52 PM
Well I was born heterosexual, so I would assume that gays are born homosexual. If they had a choice, I don't think they would want to be gay, due to the bullies, etc.
punkjake
June 4th, 2009, 02:53 PM
i beleve your born with becuz i know a lot of gay guys who want to be str8:(
Prosecutor. Lang
June 4th, 2009, 04:34 PM
I'm think your born with it. I imagine gene's have something to do with it as well.
byee
June 4th, 2009, 11:13 PM
There are a lot of very interesting theories out there, the best are based on some pretty good research by some pretty thorough scientists who have looked at all sorts of variables. And, the one's that seem the most thorough ALL dismiss the idea that sexuality (either heterosexual or homosexual) is a 'choice'. One chooses which shirt to wear in the morning or what to have for lunch. The evidence strongly suggests that sexuality is NOT choosen, but rather comes from a number of likely sources, all of them beyond our awareness.
At some point, we all realize who we are (either gay or straight), but a realization, an awareness, is very different than a choice.
Oblivion
June 4th, 2009, 11:21 PM
Do you choose what foods you like and dislike? What clothes you like and dislike? What smells you like and dislike?
Somewhat. You choose the smells, foods, clothes, looks etc. that are pleasing to your senses. If you don't choose those ones, you are unhappy.
That's like sexuality. Your senses determining what is pleasing to your mind and body, but you can ultimately make the choice as to whether you want to be happy and please yourself, or unhappy and don't please yourself.
Say the scent of vanilla is pleasing to you. If you had a choice between smelling vanilla and strawberry, you would pick vanilla right? Because it pleases your senses.
If the same gender were sexually, mentally, emotionally, and physically pleasing to you, and you had a choice between same gender and opposite gender, it's the same thing. You should choose what pleases your senses, because it makes you happy.
Ultimately, like many things in live, your body reacts and prefers certain things, but of course your conscious mind can override, or veto those senses and choose something else.
lxl
June 5th, 2009, 12:15 AM
i read about a research where siblings born later in the same uterus have higher chance of being homosexual than the previous baby born in the uterus... and there are also evidence that homosexuality has biological connection (genes, DNA, etc)
so yeah i believe that biology plays big part in a person's sexual orientation... but not entirely tho
CuriousDestruction
June 5th, 2009, 01:53 AM
i believe nature chooses for you all the way. no matter how hard people try they can't change your sexuality. neither can the environment. and you certainly can't choose to love who you want to. you can choose to hide it or deny it or embrace it. but you can't choose to be it. finally, even if your environment influenced you to be gay, that may not mean you are gay. you are just in that environment. and so you experiment. there is a differnce between experimenting and being gay or straight for that matter. like i said, your environment may influence what parts of your sexuality you choose to show. but deep down, you are who you are.
MisterMonster
June 5th, 2009, 10:53 AM
in my opinion, i think its a mixture of birth and nurture. I'm not sure how that would work, but i think thats it. Please be aware that i'm not asking for my benifit. I'm just interested in what you guys have to say
Ardiys
June 5th, 2009, 11:48 PM
I definitely think you're born with homosexuality. If I could choose, I'd be straight. My life would be far easier. But I've tried dating girls, and I didn't like it much. I'm attracted to girls mentally/emotionally, but not physically. I like them the same way I like all my friends. I think certain guys are absolutely gorgeous, and really awesome people that i could see myself dating, though.
So ya.
chris__robin
June 6th, 2009, 09:47 AM
i say nature and nuture.
personally, im a twin, im gay but my brother is straight so it explains that well :)
MisterMonster
June 19th, 2009, 09:02 PM
I will always, always, always choose nurture over nature for things like this. I don't think it has much to do with biology. I'm sure you can't help being gay ( i know, i am) but i think the environmental factors have so much more to do with you that your genes do. I read somewhere that a twin that is a boy, with a sister, is much more likely to be gay than an only child.
sam i am
June 21st, 2009, 10:31 AM
NO ur not born with it wtf ? its a choice really and they way u grow up. people are born in a different surroundings,so many things can affect them. When i was little about 5 my god mother's brother sexually abuse me (it was only once), later when i was like 11 or 12 i started to remember things and this year(jan 7 after school) i was going crazy at him saying did he do anything to me when i was little and he said no but i dont believe it y would a 5 year old make up somehting like that when i was 5 i didn't know what sex is but i do know now. And later on i found out i was bi. SO no ur not born with it its the way u grow up and the people u meet or know. Sometimes t.v can affect ut choice in ur sexuality K dude
tammy_x3
June 21st, 2009, 10:34 AM
NO ur not born with it wtf ? its a choice really and they way u grow up. people are born in a different surroundings,so many things can affect them. When i was little about 5 my god mother's brother sexually abuse me (it was only once), later when i was like 11 or 12 i started to remember things and this year(jan 7 after school) i was going crazy at him saying did he do anything to me when i was little and he said no but i dont believe it y would a 5 year old make up somehting like that when i was 5 i didn't know what sex is but i do know now. And later on i found out i was bi. SO no ur not born with it its the way u grow up and the people u meet or know. Sometimes t.v can affect ut choice in ur sexuality K dude
lol, there are a lot of people who grow up in the same environment and end up not being bisexual/gay.
sam i am
June 21st, 2009, 10:37 AM
But they dont all know the same people or have the same relationship. Duh so think before u reply to my comment pplz =]
YourFriend
June 21st, 2009, 07:36 PM
I think its the combination of all 3 with enviorents contributing the least...
Ladysman
June 21st, 2009, 09:48 PM
Im bi as most of u no and i think that ur born with it and also a case of acceptence i no alot of ppl who are gay and deny it cuz they want to be "normal" even tho sexuality has nothing to do with being normal so every1 is basicly normal unles u have cancer thats more of natrul but im getting of base here i mean hav u heard te polls that when tou have twins and 1 is gay more ofen then not (not really sure the percentage) the other twin is gay not 100% not 90% but a high percent google it lol the other my deny it or it may be that the genetics r a tiny differnt thts all i hve srry 4 th txt tqlk im on my ipod touch
punkjake
June 21st, 2009, 09:56 PM
hmm i'm str8 bt i still think some guys are "cute"
Ladysman
June 21st, 2009, 09:57 PM
NO ur not born with it wtf ? its a choice really and they way u grow up. people are born in a different surroundings,so many things can affect them. When i was little about 5 my god mother's brother sexually abuse me (it was only once), later when i was like 11 or 12 i started to remember things and this year(jan 7 after school) i was going crazy at him saying did he do anything to me when i was little and he said no but i dont believe it y would a 5 year old make up somehting like that when i was 5 i didn't know what sex is but i do know now. And later on i found out i was bi. SO no ur not born with it its the way u grow up and the people u meet or know. Sometimes t.v can affect ut choice in ur sexuality K dude
This is a quote i just used copy paste for it i didnt say this
Ok i feel that you dont understand here lots of ppl and somtimes me wish they were st8 so y would we WANT to be bi or gay or other sexualitys(to many lol), like asexuals may want to be gay or bi or just love(im not asexual but i think everyone wants to love) just think of not loving at all it would be terable rite anyways of base rite haha so i hope u understand its not a choice it may be a childhood memory like urs NOT always good but it can be and maybe envirment i was raised in a house of girls idk wat tht has to do with it really mabe a n invalentary "when in rome" thing? Well plz respind to this replay id love to here some opinions and srry didnt put this in 1st reply didnt c this guys post
Atonement
June 21st, 2009, 11:00 PM
A. Not a choice. Why would someone choose to be social opressed and hated?
B. Born that way. How do you know your straight? You just are, right? You don't choose to be straight. You just are. I don't choose to be gay. I simply am what I am.
C. Enviroment. I do not believe enviroment influences sexual preference. I think it influences if someone will be flambouyantly homosexual or "butch", but I do not believe it changes the sexual preference. I know how someone is raised is how their personality will be, but sexuality isn't a personality trait.
MichaelAdams1993
June 22nd, 2009, 02:26 PM
Well, I believe it is definatly not a choice but I am not sure if it is nature or nurture. I think a combo of what is in your genes, because it determines what your personality is and what turns you on, and of how your were raised, because that is what determines what your personality is like as well.
MisterMonster
June 22nd, 2009, 04:21 PM
environmental factors have a much much much bigger influence than they are usually granted for. Usually, in somehting like this i would go nurture without hesitation, but in this i think it'll be a combination of nurture and nature.
CuriousDestruction
June 23rd, 2009, 08:45 PM
A. Not a choice. Why would someone choose to be social opressed and hated?
B. Born that way. How do you know your straight? You just are, right? You don't choose to be straight. You just are. I don't choose to be gay. I simply am what I am.
C. Enviroment. I do not believe enviroment influences sexual preference. I think it influences if someone will be flambouyantly homosexual or "butch", but I do not believe it changes the sexual preference. I know how someone is raised is how their personality will be, but sexuality isn't a personality trait.
that sounds very right actually.
theOperaGhost
June 23rd, 2009, 08:49 PM
A. Not a choice. Why would someone choose to be social opressed and hated?
B. Born that way. How do you know your straight? You just are, right? You don't choose to be straight. You just are. I don't choose to be gay. I simply am what I am.
C. Enviroment. I do not believe enviroment influences sexual preference. I think it influences if someone will be flambouyantly homosexual or "butch", but I do not believe it changes the sexual preference. I know how someone is raised is how their personality will be, but sexuality isn't a personality trait.
This is what I agree with the most out of this entire thread.
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